In the late 90s and very early 00's you could google yahoo song names and get a downloadable mp3 link as one of the first results.
Cause search engines simply showed websites that contained your search terms, without filtering and AI algorithms.
Yep, too much of search engines today is people pushing SEO crap to rise in rankings and the businesses "protecting" users by delisting tons of sites that Google/Yahoo or who-the-fuck-ever has decided are "bad." The number of times legitimate sites get swept up in that bullshit is too damn high.
Having no filtering certainly had its pros and cons, considering how much traumatizing shit google would throw at me as a child lol
early ’00s*
omg, speed, why has no one said 'speed' yet? An hour-long tv show was 350mb, and it took three days to download.
Agreed. I can now download a multi-terabyte file in a matter of minutes or even less.
Wow multi-terabyte in minutes! There are not many ISPs delivering 100Gbps and even fewer are delivering 1000Gbps.
Unless you live on top of a data center.
Whoops typing while walking through a lobby and obviously had a brain bork. My mistake. GB.
In the aughts, pirates bay felt like the library of Congress. If a single commenter on a B tier forum saw it in a guy's basement in the mid 80's there was a sure bet at least 3 people were seeding it and one of them had great upload. If it wasn't there, you had a dozen different sites with their own dedicated fans posting everything you could ever want.
Now it's maybe 6 sites, they all have the exact same listings, and the only things with seeds came out in the last year of two. It's like seeing your local library after a fire.
Private trackers.
Cinemageddon, for example, has lots of seeds on almost any worthless shitty B-movie you can think of going back to the early days of film.
Source: 16 years on CG
I can never get a CG invite, personally, I've basically given up except for that offer in my bio to eternally curse your enemies for one (still standing btw).
Unfortunately they never do sign ups, open or interviewed, and even if they did interview I'm only on IPT, which nobody takes as proof lmao. I mostly use usenet these days unfortunately, but at least it does have it's benefits, DrunkenSlug accts are easier to come by and it is faster, and they have many things, but unfortunately lack B movies and other stuff I'm really into, but at least there's IPT, slsk, yt-dl and internetarchive for some of those.
Internet archive may not be around much longer so grab what you can.
I know, I'm not happy about that.
It might be boring and obvious, but the speeds.
I used to have to plan ahead, set overnight downloads, very consciously and actively manage data rates and in general never plan around getting something. Today, I can get basically ANYTHING in less than an hour on FiOp. Most things, 5-10 minutes. Transfer rate has outscaled data size, and it's fantastic.
Downloading a movie only to find it was the pain Olympics or a cartel/terrorist beheading was also fun
People still gloat about piracy being a hydra where you cut off one head and more pop up. Except it isn't any where close to that. Probably hasn't been in at least 10-15 years. Piracy has been gradually chipped away at. People don't seem to want to admit that. As if that would be siding with anti-piracy or something.
In its heyday the catalogues of content was immense in breadth and depth. Just about any obscure thing could be found. These days even popular TV shows become more difficult to come by even a short while after the episode has been released. Unless you have access to more private parts of the web then you're left trying to source some low quality trash tier download.
Which brings me to the next point. Piracy used to be about providing the best possible quality. With popularity the quality got watered down. Opportunists came in trying to monetize it which drew the attention of authorities. Which drew the attention more opportunists which drew the attention of authorities. It snowballed.
What piracy used to be was the spirit of the original internet. It was the library not just a library but the library of humanity. People catalogued and shared because that's what librarians do.
If I had the power I'd take away its popularity. Make it obscure again. It was better when it was ruled by snobs and autistic perfectionists.
This. TPB was almost a trust worthy site in 2010’s. They had ads for penis enlargement and domains changed constantly, but it was so easy to find everything there. Now it’s hard to find a mirror that will let you click a magnet link and most of the time the torrents are dead.
Sounds like you should get involved with PTs, they'd be right up your alley. The spirit is alive and well.
Piracy used to be about providing the best possible quality. With popularity the quality got watered down.
Do you think that has to do with popularity though or a shifting attitude towards piracy?
I feel like there's a lot of people who treat it like they would with streaming. Downloading the newest episode or season of a show and deleting it almost immediately. They don't feel the need to store it for later.
People do keep stuff might be limited by their storage. A 1TB portable HDD can be great but if you are downloading entire shows it can devour it pretty quickly.
Either way I feel like a lot of people aren't concerned about quality. They care about having immediate access to it.
If I had the power today I'd bring back services that were shamed into actually providing a reasonably priced service that offers good value.
I don't like pirating, I'd rather pay a fair price for services since I want those services to continue but I'm not fucking paying 15/month to watch a single show I'd enjoy.
I used to pirate games because there was no legal digital distribution. The pirate version I could get faster and wouldn’t hassle me to put the right disk in the drive before I could play.
Then digital distribution got good, DRM got less obnoxious, and malware got meaner.
I used to pirate music for similar reasons.
I didn’t pirate video because the files were too large, and around the time bandwidth caught up, Netflix got good. Now digital video distribution is awful so I pirate video until they solve the fractured storefront problem.
yourpiratedmovie.exe
Thanks, Limewire!
Who else downloaded LimeWire Pro using LimeWire?
Early eights it was disk and tape trading, mostly tape trading in the UK. Was a way more social activity.
Late 80s and early 90s, it was all disk, and you really needed a connected friend who could get the menu disks (custom pirated compilation disks). These were often super hoarded, only traded for a lot of games, like certain private trackers today.
Very early web stuff was all usenet and ftp servers, often hosted at a university. If you knew where to look, anything was accessible.
Early 2000s was a golden period of easy access. It would be slow, and the quality would often be low if it was a video or mp3. It's gotten harder to find the obscure stuff as time has gone on. I
t's like the scene only remembers out and out classics or the latest thing outside of some niche places.
Late 80s early 90s there were literal adverts in the classified section of the paper by pirates where you could buy 100s of games for a set sum (very cheap usually). Often you mailed empty disks to them and the money, and they would return it with games. They would also have monthly printed newsletters about new titles.
Always been a bloke in the pub or car boot or whatever that can supply hooky dvds or games or hacked satellite, FAST always talks tough about busting them.
Usenet was awesome. A distributed, decentralized network, with thousands of forums. Until it got taken over by spam and porn and a lack of moderation.
Now we have Lemmy. Let's not mess it up.
The whole political discussion about Internet media licensing, like a 10-15€ tax to finance artists while making piracy global. In the end we have the same except it's financing Internet millionaires over artists
Is it weird that I don't want to pay for any streaming media, I don't have a cable package, but if some reasonable system were created such as that I could have access to digital copies of media for a flat monthly rate I would pay it?
Like if someone would come and just say you pay $80 a month and you can watch listen to or read anything you can find and save them all locally for future reuse, no problems, I would probably pony up.
Yes I'm also the same way with ads. I'd happily spend more for internet if there was somehow an "ad surcharge" that would mean I'd never see ads or be tracked. Let me pay whatever the advertisers pay.
I'd rather pay the same then use knowledge online to learn how to circumvent their bullshit. I will never pay companies to remove bullshit 'features and items' that make services inherently worse. It only enables them to continue molesting and raping you
Adblock exists, and as such, I never see ads. You could do the exact same, for the low low price of $0.
I already do. I also want to pay my way.
The problem is what I'd like doesn't exist (I'm not going to subscribe you a million different websites and still not even be ad free) and probably can't. How much do all the ads I'm blocking cost? It'd be ripe for abuse but I'd essentially like a taxi meter, but it would charge me for website use from just one central account that I top up or is part of my internet bill or whatever.
I want the whole business model of using ads and tracking to pay for the internet to not exist.
$40, yep, I'd do it. $80? Nope, I'd rather drop $2k on a new HDD array.
I had lots of time to play games, but not a lot of money to buy games.
Now it's the other way round.
If I could bring back anything from back then, it's boxed PC games that can be resold and traded. Covered a lot of my gaming needs from second hand shops.
You can get an entire album or discography now. Back then I remember getting random loose mp3s of artists I was interested in, dictated by how many seeds happened to be online. Not sure I would bring that back, but it did make for some deep cuts becoming my favourite songs and not just the well known "hits" from albums.
The most dramatic change is probably how easy it is to hear any of that music in a legit way, and hear it instantly.
This is how I stumbled onto Soulseek—I needed albums, not tracks
I burned CDs just titled "Pink Floyd", "Beatles" or "Radiohead" with their entire discography of mp3s on it. I really got deep into a lot of bands back then.
There was this Russian website where you could download whole albums for like 50 cents. I absolutely loved it, because as well as current hits it also had the most obscure, crazy stuff, classical music, jazz, and world music. I think they're all in prison now, the guys who ran it.
There were a handful of them. Two I remember are allofmp3 and something like mp3eagle. One of those introduced me to Muse around the time Black holes and Revelations came out.
Allofmp3, that was it! I downloaded the Muse albums too. :-)
Memory unlocked.
I definitely know what you're talking about (dispite not remembering the name of it) but they had everything. And if they didn't, you could request it and they'd find it.
I miss that site now
Allofmp3?
Yes!
Holy cow haha. I "bought" so much music there. They got a ton of obscure gypsy brass band stuff for me when I asked too (Fanfare Ciocarlia)
Yeah that's the one. I got so much music from that site.
It's largely the same because we started out with mostly enthusiasts doing it in semi hidden places. Then it was mainstreamed and became too easy for casuals to do out in the open. So laws and enforcement caught up and now it's most effective again if you know your way around, which most casuals won't if they can afford a few streaming services.
One big change is no longer having to burn any media, you download something then it's on plex and you can watch it instantly.
If I could bring anything back from the 90s it would be a big selection of games, movies, tv, music, and books that I actually care enough to consume. There's hardly anything worth downloading anymore.
Plex is likely spying on you. It's a binary blob with financial aspirations. It takes less than a few MB to upload your entire database to their servers.
Probably right, but at least my watch history is all attached to a throwaway email address I use for it.
I remember that my brother acquired the full collection of every single song which had ever been on the top 20 list of songs for a national newspaper. It dated all the way back to the 60's, which is ancient for my brother and I, both born around the early 90s. I never got close to listening to the full thing, but it was awesome to have a collection of songs which basically no one knew existed and be able to choose a random year and pick a popular song from then to listen to.
You could do pretty much the same thing now, but the fact that it's so easily available and accesible kills a lot of the magic.
I miss my hard drive full of music. Sure some of it was mislabeled, but at least I didn't have to deal with ads.
The thing to remember is that internet and cellular service wasn't available everywhere. I had to talk 10 minutes to a hill to get service to be able to make a cellular phone call. Most internet options required landline phones and wifi was barely off the ground for most consumers.
Media was something we extracted from the internet. Now the internet is something we have to extract ourselves from.
*arrs auto downloading stuff for sure.
Funny thing is that the only reason I've found *arrs a few years ago was Netflix deciding to be stupid, making me look at how I can manage my local library better nowadays.
What’s funny is that the source those *arrs are downloading from is largely unchanged from the 90’s &aughts by still being newsgroup based
Funny thing, I tried using newsgroups for their intended purpose after rediscovering that Thunderbird is also a newsreader. The amount of topics is large (and really old), but the ones I checked out haven't had many updates. Though i admit I haven't been brave enough to dive into the alt. group yet. It reminds me of the internet before the web.
...thats because newsgroups have been around a lot longer than the web?
Well, yeah. My first interaction with the internet was a friend's technical savvy dad who had compuserve.
Noob
Yeah, I've been using newsgroups since the 90s back when I was also using xdcc on irc. Times were quite different.
I used to pirate because I was poor back then. Now that I make a decent living I'm more than happy to pay devs for their hard work.
Id actually bring back the power to pirate.
The amount of effort that has gone into trying to extract every possible stream dollar makes me just wanna fuck the system. I am happy to pay to watch or play something, but pirating is the only way to get it without being ripped, "this is no longer available" or "buy this other platform and make an account".
Steam and GoG got alot of my money because I could buy what I actually wanted. I would have happily paid for a soap2day app that allowed me to just select and watch stuff. The amount of 90s cartoons I could show the kids...
I miss mixed CDs. You meet someone, you understand their music tastes, and you make them a mix of stuff that you think they'd like, but from your favorite known artists. I made plenty, and ones I received got me into some awesome bands.
[off topic]
I remember the golden age of the DVD Man. That noble soul who had all the latest movies on DVD a day after they opened. Quality ranged from someone recording the movie in the theater with a camcorder to perfect copies taken directly from the source.
I had a friend who put himself through college this way.
I had a friend who got in trouble with the FBI this way.
Same! He got lucky and just lost his shit though, didn't get put in prison. He had a pretty big operation going, with distributors and everything. I typically downloaded the content for him, luckily for me he kept his trap shut.
I really miss the original Napster. I got so many good songs off of there. Now I really don't know where to find new music that I'm going to like. I feel like I've listed to most of the stuff out there (even though I know that's impossible), or it's just not a unique sound. Everything just seems to blend together even on a "discovery" mix seeded with artists I don't listen to much.
yeah, I'd really like a thing like jellyseerr that's easy to hook into the *arrs for browsing for suggested/popular/new music.
What about those of us who pirated in the early '80s?
The computer lab at my junior high was basically one big floppy copying/trading center. It was great.
Speaking of the 80s I got a C64 and a friend let me copy a few 90 minute tapes with a bunch of games.
A lot less VCDs and MP3s downloaded from FTP servers and BBSes.
Not sure if I’d bring it back, but I sure do miss the fun of playing Quake against my mates on public servers.
How much easier it's gotten and most of what you download nowadays is usually exactly what you're looking for. In the 90's/00's, alot of what was pirated had the potential to just be total BS or mislabeled, so you were never entirely certain what it was you were getting. I think Madonna had even gotten into it and released a one of her own albums as a fake download with her telling the listener "What the fuck are you doing?" At the time I mostly got music, though the Dreamcast pirating scene was pretty big for me for awhile. I think anymore though I'm probably more interested in obscure RPG books now.
I think with torrenting, there's a certain amount of trust that's inherent with some torrents by virtue of the number of downloads/seeders there are on a torrent. At least for me, I can assume, ok, there's 100 people seeding this thing, chances are this is exactly what it says it is, otherwise this many people wouldn't be still seeding it (you can fool some people some of the time, or something like that). I don't pirate nearly as often as I did when I was younger, but now I feel the need to use protection (via a VPN) because you just don't know who might be watching. In my entire time having pirated stuff over multiple decades, I had only ever gotten a single letter from my ISP, so it's not something that I ever felt particularly afraid of, but you never know and it's better to be safe about that stuff.
We torrented so many movies, so so many movies. It quit being a question of what we wanted to watch and just became a game of how much can I get today. Then I just wandered away from it one day. I never received any letters. I do have a friend who got a letter from Lucas.
’90s*/’00s* a lot*
Usenet Newsgroups were a big part of my life back then. Games, MP3s, Software, Movies, TV shows. So many Xbox games that I burned to DVD and loaded onto my modded Xbox. Those were the days. Now I only torrent some movies and TV shows thru a VPN and pay for everything else. My time is worth a lot more to me now than back in the late 90s/early 2000s.
One of the local secondary schools had a mailserver. No one knew or took security seriously in the mid-to-late nineties. As a result, it also hosted an ftp-server with widely shared credentials that held some 20GB worth of mp3s when it was shut down after three years in service. It was one of the biggest in the country at the time.
Irc and DCC-transfers were huge, too. As CD-writers became common place, a lot of it took place over snail mail or sneakernet. A guy at school had printed lists of all his tunes and took orders to burn them to music CDs.
I think the limited selection and limited transfers/storage made you cherish things more. Today you'll never finish your library in your lifetime.
Ease of grabbing content. There are so many tools that make it too easy and automated. I mean this has changed drastically in the last 10 years let alone 90s.
Maybe 2010s but there was this program called Sopcast. It would stream live sports in HD through P2P and it worked amazingly! Don't know what happened to that but now it's just shitty sites filled with ads.
I've never had any issues finding a footy stream. Iptv is pretty good, for example.
Mp3 to cdda sounds like shit
mp3 to cdda sounds exactly like the mp3. It's a wav file. Pretty much the unmodified output of the mp3 decoder.
The reason of pirating things because you would be offline has mostly disappeared. Partially because mobile data has become more affordable but also because more subscription based apps give you some way to consume content offline.
Where I see this the most is with music. Outside of those who want FLAC quality I don't know of a lot of people who pirate music anymore.
Having to wait a day or more to download something. Today you can download a movie in seconds.
One thing I truly miss from the Winamp days of piracy was the live feeds. Anime, porn, music, some great adventures discovered from just browsing. It's how I discovered Deftones, Neon Genesis Evangelion, and Sindee Coxx.
This is mid 00s but I'd bring back Oink. And my ratio
Yes, please. Oink was so good.
Honestly? I have no idea how to pirate now. That's the biggest change.
Many people work from home and don't have very many Internet providers in their area. In a post COVID world, many people are never getting a job in an office. They can't risk losing their job over losing Internet access over piracy.
The simplicity of a lot of things, such as search engines giving you workable links, torrent pages didn't have 11 buttons that said download. Even malware was innocent and you could avoid getting into trouble by avoiding Linkin-park_Hybrid-theory.exe
In the late 90s and very early 00's you could
googleyahoo song names and get a downloadable mp3 link as one of the first results.Cause search engines simply showed websites that contained your search terms, without filtering and AI algorithms.
Yep, too much of search engines today is people pushing SEO crap to rise in rankings and the businesses "protecting" users by delisting tons of sites that Google/Yahoo or who-the-fuck-ever has decided are "bad." The number of times legitimate sites get swept up in that bullshit is too damn high.
Having no filtering certainly had its pros and cons, considering how much traumatizing shit google would throw at me as a child lol
early ’00s*
omg, speed, why has no one said 'speed' yet? An hour-long tv show was 350mb, and it took three days to download.
Agreed. I can now download a multi-terabyte file in a matter of minutes or even less.
Wow multi-terabyte in minutes! There are not many ISPs delivering 100Gbps and even fewer are delivering 1000Gbps.
Unless you live on top of a data center.
Whoops typing while walking through a lobby and obviously had a brain bork. My mistake. GB.
In the aughts, pirates bay felt like the library of Congress. If a single commenter on a B tier forum saw it in a guy's basement in the mid 80's there was a sure bet at least 3 people were seeding it and one of them had great upload. If it wasn't there, you had a dozen different sites with their own dedicated fans posting everything you could ever want.
Now it's maybe 6 sites, they all have the exact same listings, and the only things with seeds came out in the last year of two. It's like seeing your local library after a fire.
Private trackers.
Cinemageddon, for example, has lots of seeds on almost any worthless shitty B-movie you can think of going back to the early days of film.
Source: 16 years on CG
I can never get a CG invite, personally, I've basically given up except for that offer in my bio to eternally curse your enemies for one (still standing btw).
Unfortunately they never do sign ups, open or interviewed, and even if they did interview I'm only on IPT, which nobody takes as proof lmao. I mostly use usenet these days unfortunately, but at least it does have it's benefits, DrunkenSlug accts are easier to come by and it is faster, and they have many things, but unfortunately lack B movies and other stuff I'm really into, but at least there's IPT, slsk, yt-dl and internetarchive for some of those.
Internet archive may not be around much longer so grab what you can.
I know, I'm not happy about that.
It might be boring and obvious, but the speeds.
I used to have to plan ahead, set overnight downloads, very consciously and actively manage data rates and in general never plan around getting something. Today, I can get basically ANYTHING in less than an hour on FiOp. Most things, 5-10 minutes. Transfer rate has outscaled data size, and it's fantastic.
Faith in Older People?
https://www.faithinolderpeople.org.uk/
my guess: FiberOptic cable
that makes way more sense, thank you
I remember downloading the big stuff at work, because they had a T1, and network security wasn't really a thing yet.
Closing Time is no longer by Green Day
Every comedy song was by weird al
Primus had its own genre tag
I KNOW WHOOOO I WANT TO TAKE ME HOME
Downloading a movie only to find out it was actually porn.
Or the other way around.
And a whole lot of content that I frankly would have preferred not to have seen.
When you're 12 and your parents have no idea what you're doing, you'll end up in very dark corners.
rotten.c0m?
Christ, that brings back unpleasant memories....
Pretty sure it was spelt wrong and had one 't'
Seen some deeply dark shit for a 10 year old
nope, two Ts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotten.com
Also only went fully offline in 2018
Downloading a movie only to find it was the pain Olympics or a cartel/terrorist beheading was also fun
People still gloat about piracy being a hydra where you cut off one head and more pop up. Except it isn't any where close to that. Probably hasn't been in at least 10-15 years. Piracy has been gradually chipped away at. People don't seem to want to admit that. As if that would be siding with anti-piracy or something.
In its heyday the catalogues of content was immense in breadth and depth. Just about any obscure thing could be found. These days even popular TV shows become more difficult to come by even a short while after the episode has been released. Unless you have access to more private parts of the web then you're left trying to source some low quality trash tier download.
Which brings me to the next point. Piracy used to be about providing the best possible quality. With popularity the quality got watered down. Opportunists came in trying to monetize it which drew the attention of authorities. Which drew the attention more opportunists which drew the attention of authorities. It snowballed.
What piracy used to be was the spirit of the original internet. It was the library not just a library but the library of humanity. People catalogued and shared because that's what librarians do.
If I had the power I'd take away its popularity. Make it obscure again. It was better when it was ruled by snobs and autistic perfectionists.
This. TPB was almost a trust worthy site in 2010’s. They had ads for penis enlargement and domains changed constantly, but it was so easy to find everything there. Now it’s hard to find a mirror that will let you click a magnet link and most of the time the torrents are dead.
Sounds like you should get involved with PTs, they'd be right up your alley. The spirit is alive and well.
Do you think that has to do with popularity though or a shifting attitude towards piracy?
I feel like there's a lot of people who treat it like they would with streaming. Downloading the newest episode or season of a show and deleting it almost immediately. They don't feel the need to store it for later.
People do keep stuff might be limited by their storage. A 1TB portable HDD can be great but if you are downloading entire shows it can devour it pretty quickly.
Either way I feel like a lot of people aren't concerned about quality. They care about having immediate access to it.
If I had the power today I'd bring back services that were shamed into actually providing a reasonably priced service that offers good value.
I don't like pirating, I'd rather pay a fair price for services since I want those services to continue but I'm not fucking paying 15/month to watch a single show I'd enjoy.
I used to pirate games because there was no legal digital distribution. The pirate version I could get faster and wouldn’t hassle me to put the right disk in the drive before I could play.
Then digital distribution got good, DRM got less obnoxious, and malware got meaner.
I used to pirate music for similar reasons.
I didn’t pirate video because the files were too large, and around the time bandwidth caught up, Netflix got good. Now digital video distribution is awful so I pirate video until they solve the fractured storefront problem.
yourpiratedmovie.exe
Thanks, Limewire!
Who else downloaded LimeWire Pro using LimeWire?
Early eights it was disk and tape trading, mostly tape trading in the UK. Was a way more social activity.
Late 80s and early 90s, it was all disk, and you really needed a connected friend who could get the menu disks (custom pirated compilation disks). These were often super hoarded, only traded for a lot of games, like certain private trackers today.
Very early web stuff was all usenet and ftp servers, often hosted at a university. If you knew where to look, anything was accessible.
Early 2000s was a golden period of easy access. It would be slow, and the quality would often be low if it was a video or mp3. It's gotten harder to find the obscure stuff as time has gone on. I
t's like the scene only remembers out and out classics or the latest thing outside of some niche places.
Late 80s early 90s there were literal adverts in the classified section of the paper by pirates where you could buy 100s of games for a set sum (very cheap usually). Often you mailed empty disks to them and the money, and they would return it with games. They would also have monthly printed newsletters about new titles.
Always been a bloke in the pub or car boot or whatever that can supply hooky dvds or games or hacked satellite, FAST always talks tough about busting them.
Usenet was awesome. A distributed, decentralized network, with thousands of forums. Until it got taken over by spam and porn and a lack of moderation.
Now we have Lemmy. Let's not mess it up.
The whole political discussion about Internet media licensing, like a 10-15€ tax to finance artists while making piracy global. In the end we have the same except it's financing Internet millionaires over artists
Is it weird that I don't want to pay for any streaming media, I don't have a cable package, but if some reasonable system were created such as that I could have access to digital copies of media for a flat monthly rate I would pay it?
Like if someone would come and just say you pay $80 a month and you can watch listen to or read anything you can find and save them all locally for future reuse, no problems, I would probably pony up.
Yes I'm also the same way with ads. I'd happily spend more for internet if there was somehow an "ad surcharge" that would mean I'd never see ads or be tracked. Let me pay whatever the advertisers pay.
I'd rather pay the same then use knowledge online to learn how to circumvent their bullshit. I will never pay companies to remove bullshit 'features and items' that make services inherently worse. It only enables them to continue molesting and raping you
Adblock exists, and as such, I never see ads. You could do the exact same, for the low low price of $0.
I already do. I also want to pay my way.
The problem is what I'd like doesn't exist (I'm not going to subscribe you a million different websites and still not even be ad free) and probably can't. How much do all the ads I'm blocking cost? It'd be ripe for abuse but I'd essentially like a taxi meter, but it would charge me for website use from just one central account that I top up or is part of my internet bill or whatever.
I want the whole business model of using ads and tracking to pay for the internet to not exist.
$40, yep, I'd do it. $80? Nope, I'd rather drop $2k on a new HDD array.
I had lots of time to play games, but not a lot of money to buy games.
Now it's the other way round.
If I could bring back anything from back then, it's boxed PC games that can be resold and traded. Covered a lot of my gaming needs from second hand shops.
You can get an entire album or discography now. Back then I remember getting random loose mp3s of artists I was interested in, dictated by how many seeds happened to be online. Not sure I would bring that back, but it did make for some deep cuts becoming my favourite songs and not just the well known "hits" from albums.
The most dramatic change is probably how easy it is to hear any of that music in a legit way, and hear it instantly.
This is how I stumbled onto Soulseek—I needed albums, not tracks
I burned CDs just titled "Pink Floyd", "Beatles" or "Radiohead" with their entire discography of mp3s on it. I really got deep into a lot of bands back then.
There was this Russian website where you could download whole albums for like 50 cents. I absolutely loved it, because as well as current hits it also had the most obscure, crazy stuff, classical music, jazz, and world music. I think they're all in prison now, the guys who ran it.
There were a handful of them. Two I remember are allofmp3 and something like mp3eagle. One of those introduced me to Muse around the time Black holes and Revelations came out.
Allofmp3, that was it! I downloaded the Muse albums too. :-)
Memory unlocked.
I definitely know what you're talking about (dispite not remembering the name of it) but they had everything. And if they didn't, you could request it and they'd find it.
I miss that site now
Allofmp3?
Yes!
Holy cow haha. I "bought" so much music there. They got a ton of obscure gypsy brass band stuff for me when I asked too (Fanfare Ciocarlia)
Yeah that's the one. I got so much music from that site.
It's largely the same because we started out with mostly enthusiasts doing it in semi hidden places. Then it was mainstreamed and became too easy for casuals to do out in the open. So laws and enforcement caught up and now it's most effective again if you know your way around, which most casuals won't if they can afford a few streaming services.
One big change is no longer having to burn any media, you download something then it's on plex and you can watch it instantly.
If I could bring anything back from the 90s it would be a big selection of games, movies, tv, music, and books that I actually care enough to consume. There's hardly anything worth downloading anymore.
Plex is likely spying on you. It's a binary blob with financial aspirations. It takes less than a few MB to upload your entire database to their servers.
Probably right, but at least my watch history is all attached to a throwaway email address I use for it.
I remember that my brother acquired the full collection of every single song which had ever been on the top 20 list of songs for a national newspaper. It dated all the way back to the 60's, which is ancient for my brother and I, both born around the early 90s. I never got close to listening to the full thing, but it was awesome to have a collection of songs which basically no one knew existed and be able to choose a random year and pick a popular song from then to listen to.
You could do pretty much the same thing now, but the fact that it's so easily available and accesible kills a lot of the magic.
I miss my hard drive full of music. Sure some of it was mislabeled, but at least I didn't have to deal with ads.
The thing to remember is that internet and cellular service wasn't available everywhere. I had to talk 10 minutes to a hill to get service to be able to make a cellular phone call. Most internet options required landline phones and wifi was barely off the ground for most consumers.
Media was something we extracted from the internet. Now the internet is something we have to extract ourselves from.
*arrs auto downloading stuff for sure.
Funny thing is that the only reason I've found *arrs a few years ago was Netflix deciding to be stupid, making me look at how I can manage my local library better nowadays.
What’s funny is that the source those *arrs are downloading from is largely unchanged from the 90’s &aughts by still being newsgroup based
Funny thing, I tried using newsgroups for their intended purpose after rediscovering that Thunderbird is also a newsreader. The amount of topics is large (and really old), but the ones I checked out haven't had many updates. Though i admit I haven't been brave enough to dive into the alt. group yet. It reminds me of the internet before the web.
...thats because newsgroups have been around a lot longer than the web?
Well, yeah. My first interaction with the internet was a friend's technical savvy dad who had compuserve.
Noob
Yeah, I've been using newsgroups since the 90s back when I was also using xdcc on irc. Times were quite different.
I used to pirate because I was poor back then. Now that I make a decent living I'm more than happy to pay devs for their hard work.
Id actually bring back the power to pirate.
The amount of effort that has gone into trying to extract every possible stream dollar makes me just wanna fuck the system. I am happy to pay to watch or play something, but pirating is the only way to get it without being ripped, "this is no longer available" or "buy this other platform and make an account".
Steam and GoG got alot of my money because I could buy what I actually wanted. I would have happily paid for a soap2day app that allowed me to just select and watch stuff. The amount of 90s cartoons I could show the kids...
I miss mixed CDs. You meet someone, you understand their music tastes, and you make them a mix of stuff that you think they'd like, but from your favorite known artists. I made plenty, and ones I received got me into some awesome bands.
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I remember the golden age of the DVD Man. That noble soul who had all the latest movies on DVD a day after they opened. Quality ranged from someone recording the movie in the theater with a camcorder to perfect copies taken directly from the source.
I had a friend who put himself through college this way.
I had a friend who got in trouble with the FBI this way.
Same! He got lucky and just lost his shit though, didn't get put in prison. He had a pretty big operation going, with distributors and everything. I typically downloaded the content for him, luckily for me he kept his trap shut.
I really miss the original Napster. I got so many good songs off of there. Now I really don't know where to find new music that I'm going to like. I feel like I've listed to most of the stuff out there (even though I know that's impossible), or it's just not a unique sound. Everything just seems to blend together even on a "discovery" mix seeded with artists I don't listen to much.
yeah, I'd really like a thing like jellyseerr that's easy to hook into the *arrs for browsing for suggested/popular/new music.
What about those of us who pirated in the early '80s?
The computer lab at my junior high was basically one big floppy copying/trading center. It was great.
Speaking of the 80s I got a C64 and a friend let me copy a few 90 minute tapes with a bunch of games.
Copy that floppy!
A lot less VCDs and MP3s downloaded from FTP servers and BBSes.
Not sure if I’d bring it back, but I sure do miss the fun of playing Quake against my mates on public servers.
How much easier it's gotten and most of what you download nowadays is usually exactly what you're looking for. In the 90's/00's, alot of what was pirated had the potential to just be total BS or mislabeled, so you were never entirely certain what it was you were getting. I think Madonna had even gotten into it and released a one of her own albums as a fake download with her telling the listener "What the fuck are you doing?" At the time I mostly got music, though the Dreamcast pirating scene was pretty big for me for awhile. I think anymore though I'm probably more interested in obscure RPG books now.
I think with torrenting, there's a certain amount of trust that's inherent with some torrents by virtue of the number of downloads/seeders there are on a torrent. At least for me, I can assume, ok, there's 100 people seeding this thing, chances are this is exactly what it says it is, otherwise this many people wouldn't be still seeding it (you can fool some people some of the time, or something like that). I don't pirate nearly as often as I did when I was younger, but now I feel the need to use protection (via a VPN) because you just don't know who might be watching. In my entire time having pirated stuff over multiple decades, I had only ever gotten a single letter from my ISP, so it's not something that I ever felt particularly afraid of, but you never know and it's better to be safe about that stuff.
We torrented so many movies, so so many movies. It quit being a question of what we wanted to watch and just became a game of how much can I get today. Then I just wandered away from it one day. I never received any letters. I do have a friend who got a letter from Lucas.
’90s*/’00s* a lot*
Usenet Newsgroups were a big part of my life back then. Games, MP3s, Software, Movies, TV shows. So many Xbox games that I burned to DVD and loaded onto my modded Xbox. Those were the days. Now I only torrent some movies and TV shows thru a VPN and pay for everything else. My time is worth a lot more to me now than back in the late 90s/early 2000s.
One of the local secondary schools had a mailserver. No one knew or took security seriously in the mid-to-late nineties. As a result, it also hosted an ftp-server with widely shared credentials that held some 20GB worth of mp3s when it was shut down after three years in service. It was one of the biggest in the country at the time.
Irc and DCC-transfers were huge, too. As CD-writers became common place, a lot of it took place over snail mail or sneakernet. A guy at school had printed lists of all his tunes and took orders to burn them to music CDs.
I think the limited selection and limited transfers/storage made you cherish things more. Today you'll never finish your library in your lifetime.
Ease of grabbing content. There are so many tools that make it too easy and automated. I mean this has changed drastically in the last 10 years let alone 90s.
Maybe 2010s but there was this program called Sopcast. It would stream live sports in HD through P2P and it worked amazingly! Don't know what happened to that but now it's just shitty sites filled with ads.
I've never had any issues finding a footy stream. Iptv is pretty good, for example.
Mp3 to cdda sounds like shit
mp3 to cdda sounds exactly like the mp3. It's a wav file. Pretty much the unmodified output of the mp3 decoder.
The reason of pirating things because you would be offline has mostly disappeared. Partially because mobile data has become more affordable but also because more subscription based apps give you some way to consume content offline.
Where I see this the most is with music. Outside of those who want FLAC quality I don't know of a lot of people who pirate music anymore.
Having to wait a day or more to download something. Today you can download a movie in seconds.
One thing I truly miss from the Winamp days of piracy was the live feeds. Anime, porn, music, some great adventures discovered from just browsing. It's how I discovered Deftones, Neon Genesis Evangelion, and Sindee Coxx.
This is mid 00s but I'd bring back Oink. And my ratio
Yes, please. Oink was so good.
Honestly? I have no idea how to pirate now. That's the biggest change.
Many people work from home and don't have very many Internet providers in their area. In a post COVID world, many people are never getting a job in an office. They can't risk losing their job over losing Internet access over piracy.
The simplicity of a lot of things, such as search engines giving you workable links, torrent pages didn't have 11 buttons that said download. Even malware was innocent and you could avoid getting into trouble by avoiding Linkin-park_Hybrid-theory.exe