CBS News says it will be up to Vance and Walz to fact-check each other in veep debate

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CBS News, hosting vice presidential candidates JD Vance and Tim Walz for the general election campaign’s third debate next week, says it will be up to the politicians — not the moderators — to check the facts of their opponents.

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So what the fuck do we need CBS for again?

Colbert?

Hey, let's get Stephen to do the live fact-checking!

He did a live show after the Trump-Harris debate. Perhaps he’ll do another!

Vance isn’t Trump. He’s a wet noodle who can barely work his way through a sentence. Walz is an adorable teddy bear with claws.

It’ll be the cutest bloodbath we’ve ever seen, and we’ll all laugh about how the old guy from Minnesota made the dude wearing eyeliner get scared of giving trans school kids free lunches.

Edit: I can’t wait!

He's ok with pushing outright lies, and it's hard to keep up with all the right wing lies that are floating around. I hope Walz just starts calling them the liars they are instead of avoiding 'name calling'.

Vance isn’t much of a public speaker, and, up against a debate opponent like Walz (who is a great public speaker), Vance is pretty much fucked. He won’t have much of a defense but to pivot when confronted, and Walz is both clever and persistent. He’s also extremely charming, which Vance extremely isn’t, lol.

You’re making me look forward to it. Kinda. Let’s say I’m looking forward to the instant replays by the Daily Show.

Well, it’ll probably be more policy-focused than anything with Trump, which is always just a clown show because Trump only knows how to be a clown. Vance will, at least, try to debate Walz, but it will quickly just be a timed trading of canned campaign jabs. How each plays it will be interesting to see, and - personally - I think it will be fascinating for 3 reasons:

  1. again, Vance’s relative terribleness vs Walz’s very goodness will be awesome to watch. Walz will kick Vance’s ass easily

  2. more than that, this debate will be far more substantive than the last debate, which was, basically, Kamala baiting Trump into crazy-shouting one crazy lie after another while Kamala just laughed and laughed.

  3. Tim Walz is, quite possibly, the most lovable guy to ever exist. JD Vance is, quite possibly, a new form of venerial disease.

Vance is like a Dollar Store version of Trump. He looks like the same product, he tells the same lies, but the parts aren't all there. He's a grifter but he's not in the same league as The Donald, he even looks like he's in pain when he lies.

The fucked up part is that, since you can’t get cheaper than Trump, the knockoff is actually more expensive. Worse, Vance is also (somehow), dumber, poorer, less-popular, and more insecure. He’s also - unbelievably- worse with interactions with the public and with public speaking.

And we’re about to find out how bad he is at debate against a real politician.

Vance at least looks like an actual human, the Toupee's human disguise was created by a sentient pile of excrement that only once glanced at a human from a distance.

Vance isn’t Trump. He’s a wet noodle who can barely work his way through a sentence.

But what is Vance?

It’ll be the cutest bloodbath we’ve ever seen

When you wrestle the pig, you both get muddy but only the pig likes it.

Helps when the pig is both extremely popular already, and the pig’s opponent is… lol.. well, JD Vance lmao

Seriously, the guy lost a debate against the opening staff at a donut shop. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Extremists (hint: not Tim Walz) will be able to just spout lies the whole time, and rational, honest candidates: (hint: not JD Vance) will have to either let them get away with complete bullshit assertions, or spend part of their time doing the job of the moderators... This is why no one believes in Journalism these days...

Let him get away with it, there’s only so many lies that you can prepare for and getting a fact check wrong is worse than just lying

Yeah but when you know what they're messaging on you can absolutely prepare for the worst ones like After Birth Abortion and Immigrants eating pets. Which were the two big fact checks.

Fucking cowards. We saw how quickly fascists crumble when you fact check them. Why won’t CBS want to do that?

Because they want to help the fascist.

Something about ten dudes at a diner table with an eleventh who is a nazi.

Ya this is a dumb move by CBS because it compromises the legitimacy of the debate... But I know Tim Walz is going to wipe the floor with this couch fucker.

It compromises the legitimacy of CBS. How can they be okay with blatant lies being aspired on its network?

*CBS is announcing that it will allow the Couchfucker to Gish Gallop.

Fixed that title for you.

Yeah, and a side effect of refuting gosh gallop, if you even can, is that you end up wasting your time on the floor instead of discussing your points.

Remember when journalism was a respected profession?

No, I genuinely do not.

I know we had Watergate, but before that we had Hearst, and a bunch of other rich assholes using their money to spread propaganda, Murdoch isn't remotely creative, we just got complacent.

CBS is owned by Paramount Global who splits their "donations" between parties (heavier toward Democrats). Are we tired of being governed by corporations, yet?

Waltz: Vance I heard you fuck couches for fun.

Vance: NO I DON'T

Waltz: That's not proof. If you're gonna fact check me you gotta provide proof! Clearly you fucked couches!

Walz would be way more subtle than that.

hey. So glad you got off the damn couch.

And

Oh. Meant to ask you. How was the tour of Ashley Furniture? Find any attractive couches?

Edit:

didja get any good recipes from RFK?

"We just want the money, leave us the fuck out of this. We're a news corporation. What did you expect, integrity? Ha!"

-CBS

I wish I could be like "yeah I'm just not gonna do my job this time" and nothing would happen to me.

So Walz will try to find the lies and Vance will claim everything is a lie since they can't stop him?

Yeah, this system makes no sense. How are they supposed to fact check each other?

"That's a lie." "Not uh."

You see, one party lies with every breath. So they are not supposed to fact check "each other"...

By completely ignoring any lies and speaking only to the issues.

If Walz maintains possession of the ball, then Vance can't win.

Oh sure, tell the guy who basically said "We'll make up whatever facts we need to to get our point across!" when the whole pet eating debacle was debunked that he won't be fact checked... What could go wrong!?

Facts? Integrity? What the hell are you talking about? We need a ratings bump.

CBS executives, probably.

Anyway Walz is gonna eat Vance's face for dinner and then shit down his throat hole. I look forward to catching the highlights reel online.

Walz just has to be himself and he will vastly outclass any pathetic attempts at appearing charismatic that Vance will be trying to conjure up.

Then Vance will repeat Trump's bullshit but more coherent and Walz will talk actual policy, probably appearing like the well-meaning teacher talking to the problem kid in class.

Those were some of the best moments though! When the Linsey Davis (moderator) deadpan said, “There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it’s born." I fell off my couch laughing at Trump. He didn't know what to do, he was like a fish out of water.

I guess the GOP made it a deal breaker for the VP debate.

Awww the moderator’s hurt poor Donnie’s fee fees during the last debate.

Would they really have the time to fact-check the gish-gallop Vance will ejaculate on them? That's just not even feasible to get through the more egregious lies. He already said he just makes shit up. This will be the largest public face-time he will ever have (hopefully) and it all but guarantees he will shamelessly dial the horseshit up, if not just for sound bites.

And yeah, I decided to use that word.

Walz should quote Vance's statement about making things up and make the point that he will not be fact checking someone who is on record stating they will lie. Even make the minguistic point that while Vance said he'd "make stuff up" there is another word for that: "lie".

"So since my opponent has alresdy admitted they lie to reporters and about the price of eggs, I ask that the viewers tonight know that we can't trust anything he says is true. He has no credibility."

No holds barred free for all. I like it. This is going to be an amazing debate. Midwest against I have no idea what the hell Vance is.

what the hell Vance is

A couch-fucking weirdo, from what I've heard.

I've been seeing a lot of people saying he also has syphilis. Must be true because I want it to be.

"No holds barred" is still an honest fight.

"No facts checked" favors the opponent who has no real principles or policy to defend. It's like walking in the ring shotgun and the refs being like okay y'all on your own.

It's gonna be an absolute shit show and basically be a demonstration on how well can a liar Vance lie without being too obvious about being a liar. Best we can hope is that Walz will make it very obvious.

Hopefully there will be a second or 2 to slip in something of more substance while we wipe the shit off our faces.

Here is how you win. Prepare for lies. Do a quick fact check during each round and then punch him in the face with the truth. Laugh at him regularly for being a lying clown. Treat Vance with no respect.

Vance and Trump keep making the same lies even after they're debunked, so Walz could make a bingo card ahead of time.

Midwest against I have no idea what the hell Vance is.

Ohio is also considered the Midwest.

Eh, only really to people in Ohio and not in the Midwest.

Or maybe that's just my upper Midwestern heritage coming through. To us, it may as well be Pennsylvania, and nobody calls that the Midwest.

Minnesota here - in no way is Ohio in the Midwest.

Midwestern here.

I think the fact that EVERY Midwesterner mutually shits on Ohio at any opportunity kiiiiinda makes a case that they're Midwest also.

There are other states MORE deserving of the shit-talk, but it's not personal and visceral the way every other Midwestern state hates Ohio.

it is according to census bureau definition.

This would he concerning if I wasn't convince that Walz would sit him down and correct him like a disappointed father.

If anyone could make a politician seem like a child to their face it'd be him, and especially if that politician is Vance.

The 90-minute debate, scheduled for 9 p.m. Eastern on Tuesday in a Manhattan studio that once hosted the children’s program "Captain Kangaroo,”

Such an easy set up for Vance to call the moderators a "kangaroo court" if they get on his case.

holy shit there is going to be a veep debate?! the last pres one was hilarious and awesome.