I was gonna say she's too young, but apparently she'd turn 35 about a month before the election. A president who's barely old enough... What a nice change of pace that would be.
That requirement is so ageist as the brain is fully developed at age 26
The idea is to have some experience in politics in lower positions before taking on the hot seat.
I feel like mandating a certain number of years in some managerial governmental position would be more effective. Trump is basically a living example of how to get around that. Honestly a lot of democracy kinda assumes people elect competent and honest leaders and a lot of humanity are just brainwashed morons so we're stuck with what we got :/.
That's a great point. AOC has more experience than Trump did when elected.
I'm just upset that there's no maximum age limit. If they are fine with a minimum why isn't there a maximum?
You know why
What a joke that turned out to be
Yeah just means we get experienced swindlers
Yeah, that's the idea. But then you have people like Trump come in and not have any experience.
So it's okay to have a constitutionally-mandated age requirement, but not a no-treason requirement?
Whataboutism my man
So what if it is? The point is that the whole system is a circus sideshow.
Well you can’t maintain focus on the topic if you start going down every branch. It just comes across as whiny and instead of constructive. It even caused your comment to be apathetic.
That's not whataboutism. I'm showing the hypocrisy in one rule being justified, but not the other, so as to argue more effectively against the age rule. Whataboutism is when you change the subject.
It's stupid that there's a minimum and not a maximum
Getting so old your brain starts melting was less of an issue back then.
You were an experienced master or your craft at the age of 35 all the way 250 years ago. People made it to their 80s but your life expectancy was much lower. Basically 35 was the perfect age.
What we need is an amendment to make this reflect modern life.
What you need is a new constitution. That shit is completely outdated.
Remember how we still have legalized slavery? Maybe we could amend that amendment.
Yeah... As it stands right now our first priority needs to be eliminating the ultra wealthys influence otherwise that amendment will be changed to "all non-wealthy debtors, convicted criminals, and the unemployed can be used as slaves."
You were an experienced master or your craft at the age of 35
Yep. Gotta figure someone who's 35 has been around the block, seen some things, knows some things, the office of POTUS doesn't seem like one you should be able to run for right out of high school. Oh, but imagine if we could. I'm sure it would be hilarious to put a high school graduate in office. Especially a Gen Z kid lmao.
I'd support (HALF median life expectancy ±15 years determine at the start of the election year). Gives you a middleing generation so the extremes are not super underrepresented and it makes sure they have some life under their belt.
Edit: added "HALF"
Yeah no. Look at what those numbers would actually be. Median is 70-80 depending on country and sex. I dont want a 95 year old president when they enter office... And 55 as a minimum is far beyond "life under their belt"
Oh I meant half the median life expectancy. My brain didn't brain good as I typed it out.
So 40ish ±15 in your example.
Even ±10 would be fine.
True. There's this fun quirk of US law, though, that makes ageism against young people completely fine and dandy!
You can discriminate against people for being young all you want. That's the Gerontocracy in action..
Absolutely. Housing crisis in full swing here and yet 55+ communities are somehow still legal. Infuriating that it works to the benefit of the old fucks by earmarking plenty of available units for only them, but when the young people want to get rid of it so they can have a shot at property ownership too, suddenly you're an ageist.
And some old people lash out at me for stating the system is unfair. They need to learn to pass the torch.
What? Are you saying a bunch of racist slave holders might have also been ageist? Complaing about "kids these days"?
Then the fully-developed brain is just 9 years old when the person is 35! Should the requirement be higher? Semi-kidding.
Ah, so that's why as we all know everyone above 26 is perfectly adult and competent
Edit: My point was not very evident but that study is not as clear as people thinks it is on the fact that brains are fully developed at 25. They probably keep developing for much longer. But it's not an excuse to exclude people from politics
Honestly, if two 80-plus year old farts can run for president, who gives a shit about age?
WOW, that would skip an entire generation from presidential representation. I'm sick of voting for geriatrics but to jump straight to someone younger ... I still would but ouch.
The march of time is steady towards the sounds of that waterfall. We're fucked.
Who cares? A good president is suppose to represent the country not just their demographic.
Yes. But generations has different views and priorities from one to the other. For example boomers see the world as they remember and hang on to what they know, but that policy isn't working anymore.
I, for one, am concerned retirement won't exist by the time I get too old to work. Our current candidates don't need to give a crap about that. They'll die before that becomes an issue.
Boomers had a good run, and did a lot of damage. Younger generations are doing a lot of fix-its; that's commendable. Mine was called lazy, ignored, and I would really like for it to not be passed over. I don't have a lot of time left to hope things start getting better from a generation that seems to do rash, illogical things to justify logical conclusions.
I just want us to have a chance to shine in the sun.
generations has different views and priorities from one to the other.
Yes, but Gen X and millennials also have a shitload of views and priorities IN COMMON.
As far as I can tell, there's a much smaller political difference between 35 and 55 than 55 and 75.
That might not always been the case, but since boomers and that sneaky "silent generation" (Biden, Trump, Pelosi, McConnell, Feinstein. Schumer is just barely too young to qualify) have been fucking over ALL subsequent generations for decades, we're pretty much in the same leaky boat now.
Old people just finished destroying the environment and AOC just filed articles of impeachment against sitting SCOTUS justices. She is rising to the occasion and deserves your support.
She is rising to the occasion and deserves your support.
And she does, like I already said above.
At this point, I think us millenials as an entire generation should agree to just hand the keys directly over to Gen Z. I think it's probably good policy to do the exact opposite of whatever the boomers have done.
Nah, don't punish AOC and other brilliant millennials for what the boomers did.
Also, let Gen Z live a little before you give them a gilded cage in Washington.
They're already kicking more ass protesting and otherwise organizing for justice to bypass Washington better than most of us ever did.
Yeah I get it. And it may go that way.
I just don't want to get sick, lose my retirement savings to medical debt, have social security run out, and wind up homeless like things seem to be headed.
All of those things are things millennials worry about too. Except most of us don't have any savings to lose even though a lot of us are in our 40s now.
I’m 48 but mentor university students by the dozen. Even Millennials are dinosaurs compared to Gen Z. Everyone older needs to STFU and GTFO.
Skibidi Toilet 2028
Honestly we’ve all being doing vibes-based voting anyway, being on some ranked-choice rizz and see who drips to the top
(That being said I’m all for Gen Z to just come in and clean up)
that's gen alpha
And Gen Alpha began in 2010, so 2028 will be the first year they can vote
ok I don't care about that, just saying skibidi toilet is 100% gen alpha and not gen Z
Okay yes thank you congrats
are you salty you made a mistake? 😂
Lol I made a joke , which I already explained to you once. The subject of the conversation was electing a millenial in this election (2024) and how that would be skipping Gen X. I then brought up the next election (2028), and implied we should elect a fictional Gen alpha character/meme (again, as a joke), because 2028 will be the first election that Gen alpha can vote in.
You're weirdly proud of a 'gotcha' that didn't really happen and even if it did, wouldn't have been that good.
I cannot stress this enough, it was a joke and I won't actually be voting for Skibidi Toilet in 2028.
lol okay then
(I'll take that as a yes lmao)
Gen X has been forgotten. I know my sister feels it.
Hey you can't stay the least worst generation if everyone is thinking about you all the time
Well they did kinda just allow all the boomer shit to keep going. They allowed themselves to be forgotten by sucking up to the generation before.
My dad’s like that, if we’re acting like single family members are important. He still falls for the same old bullshit and despite being a software engineer he has that same old pre-internet attitude. He had enough success in his life that he could insulate himself from having to acknowledge just how bad things are today.
Gen X obviously had some good in there just like the boomers did but they just haven’t proven themselves to be up with the times enough to be effective in the modern world that came basically out of nowhere, faster than the change in generations could follow. As a generation they just don’t have the skills or experience to act like they’re owed a turn. Anyone who thinks they’re entitled to run a fucking country just because it’s their “turn” doesn’t deserve to be anywhere near that kind of power.
there was never enough of genX to get anything done, and there likely won't be. boomers are still holding on to positions of power (eg Biden), and the millennial gen is bigger than genX as well.
Joe Biden isn't even a Boomer. He's older than them.
I feel like this describes the "upper 50%" of any generation, though.
I'm a millennial, and myself and plenty other millennials I know are still riding the struggle bus. But it's easy to pop on social media and see people you went to school with in photos with their happy families and big houses and nice cars that they earned from their successful corporate jobs, because those jobs still exist for anyone who has connections.
And it is millennials by-and-large who are responsible for the neocon movement that helped put Trump in power, fashy groups like the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers or whatever other flavor of the month domestic terrorism group, all of the "free speech absolutists" you see on Twitter and Reddit, and Silicon Valley techbros who pretend to be progressive in service to the almighty dollar.
No generation is free from bad eggs, because eventually enough people kowtow to the ideological apparati of the ruling class and perpetuate the endless cycle of "haves" vs "have nots".
My high school was full of dumb assholes so I can totally believe that a lot of them voted trump.
This is really the best comment in the entire thread.
Allow? Did you notice that most boomers still haven’t retired? Gen X and Millennials were never allowed space to exist, it’s been nonstop boomers since the late 1940s.
Barack barely counts as a boomer considering he was born in 61...
Obama a bit disrupted the process of getting young blood in DNC, while trump did the same thing in GOP.
The generation in between is the one that keeps electing geriatrics. They either didn't want the job or they weren't bold enough to kick their parents into the passenger seat. I say we skip them.
My worry about AOC as candidate is that she's relatively alone in her political space, and is far from having Bernie's weight as of today. She's in the Democratic party, sure, but she's in a very small faction inside of it, which may lead to a Corbyn situation: she takes the helm of the party, but centrist figures begin attacking her from her own ranks with the support of the media until she's forced to concede to a moderate.
On the other hand, if you manage to get 100, 200 elected representatives in the Democratic party who are clearly ideologically aligned with AOC, making her the nominee is no longer a battle, but rather, it becomes the natural consequence of the balance of power within the party.
I completely agree with you and I hate it. Our political system will advance at the rate politicians croak, since apparently retiring from office has gone out of fashion.
women do tend to live longer than men, so maybe we could see a 91 year-old AOC on the ballet in 2080...
maybe we could see a 91 year-old AOC on the ballet in 2080
A 91 year old performing ballet would be funny.
ha! that shit is too good to edit
maybe we could see a 91 year-old AOC on the ballet in 2080
Maybe on the supreme court way before then.
Yeah Pelosi did a hatchet job on her already
And AOC didn't even get the sharpest part of the blade. Those would be Omar, and most especially Bowman.
Very true
Only 50 more years till she'll be considered
Biden should pick her up as a running mate. So she'll just automatically be president if Biden dies. You'll see conservatives doing their level best to ensure Biden is in the best of health.
Weekend at Bidens
when Biden dies. I don't expect him to last another 4 years. We're pretty much voting for Kamala at this point.
We're pretty much voting for Kamala at this point.
Are we though? I was hoping the VP spot would be given to AOC.
Ha! Nevermind. We all know who the predetermined candidates are.
Now this is actually a good idea
Only issue is she’s a divisive figure so center shitters might be driven to vote for trump. I think she’s awesome and would love if she was the first woman pres
A huge part of the poor youth vote attendance is due to them not feeling represented by geriatric nominees. If she were to run she would get very strong youth and minority support in addition to all the left voters.
TBH it would be a dream come true for her to run and win this year and I'm not even American.
I'm Canadian and agree with you.
Just imagine a ticket with AOC and Bernie Sanders! Now that would so something to see!
Bernie winning Dem primaries was the last time we saw the DNC put its heels in the sand. I don't think anyone should be surprised that a huge portion of the Dem voter base now feels consistently disenfranchised, especially the younger side. And the current issue with Biden doesn't improve it.
A huge part of the poor youth vote attendance is due to them not feeling represented by geriatric nominees.
I'd say a larger reason is that they're simply not interested in the politics at that age.
I know I didn't care at all who was in government when I was at that age. The fact that they were a couple generations older than me wasn't a part of my thought process.
I simply couldn't be bothered to even think about politics or governments.
Trump and Biden are also divisive figures which is why this is even a discussion to begin with. We need to end the status quo immediately.
AOC for president.
I was gonna say she's too young, but apparently she'd turn 35 about a month before the election. A president who's barely old enough... What a nice change of pace that would be.
That requirement is so ageist as the brain is fully developed at age 26
The idea is to have some experience in politics in lower positions before taking on the hot seat.
I feel like mandating a certain number of years in some managerial governmental position would be more effective. Trump is basically a living example of how to get around that. Honestly a lot of democracy kinda assumes people elect competent and honest leaders and a lot of humanity are just brainwashed morons so we're stuck with what we got :/.
That's a great point. AOC has more experience than Trump did when elected.
I'm just upset that there's no maximum age limit. If they are fine with a minimum why isn't there a maximum?
You know why
What a joke that turned out to be
Yeah just means we get experienced swindlers
Yeah, that's the idea. But then you have people like Trump come in and not have any experience.
So it's okay to have a constitutionally-mandated age requirement, but not a no-treason requirement?
Whataboutism my man
So what if it is? The point is that the whole system is a circus sideshow.
Well you can’t maintain focus on the topic if you start going down every branch. It just comes across as whiny and instead of constructive. It even caused your comment to be apathetic.
That's not whataboutism. I'm showing the hypocrisy in one rule being justified, but not the other, so as to argue more effectively against the age rule. Whataboutism is when you change the subject.
It is 100% whataboutism. There is no denying it.
It's not whataboutism: https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/whataboutism-origin-meaning
Whataboutism is about switching the topic and reversal of accusation.
OP said that we have minimum age to be president, but according to SCOTUS it is a-ok to be a felon and running for the office.
A whataboutism in the subject of this post, where we talking about impeachment of Thomas and Alito would be "what about Pelosi's stocks"?
Thank you. That's a great example of real whataboutism.
No one cares
“The idea” no longer means jack shit, unfortunately.
It's stupid that there's a minimum and not a maximum
Getting so old your brain starts melting was less of an issue back then.
You were an experienced master or your craft at the age of 35 all the way 250 years ago. People made it to their 80s but your life expectancy was much lower. Basically 35 was the perfect age.
What we need is an amendment to make this reflect modern life.
What you need is a new constitution. That shit is completely outdated.
Remember how we still have legalized slavery? Maybe we could amend that amendment.
Yeah... As it stands right now our first priority needs to be eliminating the ultra wealthys influence otherwise that amendment will be changed to "all non-wealthy debtors, convicted criminals, and the unemployed can be used as slaves."
Yep. Gotta figure someone who's 35 has been around the block, seen some things, knows some things, the office of POTUS doesn't seem like one you should be able to run for right out of high school. Oh, but imagine if we could. I'm sure it would be hilarious to put a high school graduate in office. Especially a Gen Z kid lmao.
I'd support (HALF median life expectancy ±15 years determine at the start of the election year). Gives you a middleing generation so the extremes are not super underrepresented and it makes sure they have some life under their belt.
Edit: added "HALF"
Yeah no. Look at what those numbers would actually be. Median is 70-80 depending on country and sex. I dont want a 95 year old president when they enter office... And 55 as a minimum is far beyond "life under their belt"
Oh I meant half the median life expectancy. My brain didn't brain good as I typed it out. So 40ish ±15 in your example. Even ±10 would be fine.
True. There's this fun quirk of US law, though, that makes ageism against young people completely fine and dandy!
You can discriminate against people for being young all you want. That's the Gerontocracy in action..
Absolutely. Housing crisis in full swing here and yet 55+ communities are somehow still legal. Infuriating that it works to the benefit of the old fucks by earmarking plenty of available units for only them, but when the young people want to get rid of it so they can have a shot at property ownership too, suddenly you're an ageist.
And some old people lash out at me for stating the system is unfair. They need to learn to pass the torch.
What? Are you saying a bunch of racist slave holders might have also been ageist? Complaing about "kids these days"?
Then the fully-developed brain is just 9 years old when the person is 35! Should the requirement be higher? Semi-kidding.
Ah, so that's why as we all know everyone above 26 is perfectly adult and competent
Edit: My point was not very evident but that study is not as clear as people thinks it is on the fact that brains are fully developed at 25. They probably keep developing for much longer. But it's not an excuse to exclude people from politics
Honestly, if two 80-plus year old farts can run for president, who gives a shit about age?
WOW, that would skip an entire generation from presidential representation. I'm sick of voting for geriatrics but to jump straight to someone younger ... I still would but ouch.
The march of time is steady towards the sounds of that waterfall. We're fucked.
Who cares? A good president is suppose to represent the country not just their demographic.
Yes. But generations has different views and priorities from one to the other. For example boomers see the world as they remember and hang on to what they know, but that policy isn't working anymore.
I, for one, am concerned retirement won't exist by the time I get too old to work. Our current candidates don't need to give a crap about that. They'll die before that becomes an issue.
Boomers had a good run, and did a lot of damage. Younger generations are doing a lot of fix-its; that's commendable. Mine was called lazy, ignored, and I would really like for it to not be passed over. I don't have a lot of time left to hope things start getting better from a generation that seems to do rash, illogical things to justify logical conclusions.
I just want us to have a chance to shine in the sun.
Yes, but Gen X and millennials also have a shitload of views and priorities IN COMMON.
As far as I can tell, there's a much smaller political difference between 35 and 55 than 55 and 75.
That might not always been the case, but since boomers and that sneaky "silent generation" (Biden, Trump, Pelosi, McConnell, Feinstein. Schumer is just barely too young to qualify) have been fucking over ALL subsequent generations for decades, we're pretty much in the same leaky boat now.
Old people just finished destroying the environment and AOC just filed articles of impeachment against sitting SCOTUS justices. She is rising to the occasion and deserves your support.
And she does, like I already said above.
At this point, I think us millenials as an entire generation should agree to just hand the keys directly over to Gen Z. I think it's probably good policy to do the exact opposite of whatever the boomers have done.
Nah, don't punish AOC and other brilliant millennials for what the boomers did.
Also, let Gen Z live a little before you give them a gilded cage in Washington.
They're already kicking more ass protesting and otherwise organizing for justice to bypass Washington better than most of us ever did.
Yeah I get it. And it may go that way.
I just don't want to get sick, lose my retirement savings to medical debt, have social security run out, and wind up homeless like things seem to be headed.
All of those things are things millennials worry about too. Except most of us don't have any savings to lose even though a lot of us are in our 40s now.
I’m 48 but mentor university students by the dozen. Even Millennials are dinosaurs compared to Gen Z. Everyone older needs to STFU and GTFO.
Skibidi Toilet 2028
Honestly we’ve all being doing vibes-based voting anyway, being on some ranked-choice rizz and see who drips to the top
(That being said I’m all for Gen Z to just come in and clean up)
that's gen alpha
And Gen Alpha began in 2010, so 2028 will be the first year they can vote
ok I don't care about that, just saying skibidi toilet is 100% gen alpha and not gen Z
Okay yes thank you congrats
are you salty you made a mistake? 😂
Lol I made a joke , which I already explained to you once. The subject of the conversation was electing a millenial in this election (2024) and how that would be skipping Gen X. I then brought up the next election (2028), and implied we should elect a fictional Gen alpha character/meme (again, as a joke), because 2028 will be the first election that Gen alpha can vote in.
You're weirdly proud of a 'gotcha' that didn't really happen and even if it did, wouldn't have been that good.
I cannot stress this enough, it was a joke and I won't actually be voting for Skibidi Toilet in 2028.
lol okay then (I'll take that as a yes lmao)
Gen X has been forgotten. I know my sister feels it.
Hey you can't stay the least worst generation if everyone is thinking about you all the time
Well they did kinda just allow all the boomer shit to keep going. They allowed themselves to be forgotten by sucking up to the generation before.
My dad’s like that, if we’re acting like single family members are important. He still falls for the same old bullshit and despite being a software engineer he has that same old pre-internet attitude. He had enough success in his life that he could insulate himself from having to acknowledge just how bad things are today.
Gen X obviously had some good in there just like the boomers did but they just haven’t proven themselves to be up with the times enough to be effective in the modern world that came basically out of nowhere, faster than the change in generations could follow. As a generation they just don’t have the skills or experience to act like they’re owed a turn. Anyone who thinks they’re entitled to run a fucking country just because it’s their “turn” doesn’t deserve to be anywhere near that kind of power.
there was never enough of genX to get anything done, and there likely won't be. boomers are still holding on to positions of power (eg Biden), and the millennial gen is bigger than genX as well.
Joe Biden isn't even a Boomer. He's older than them.
I feel like this describes the "upper 50%" of any generation, though.
I'm a millennial, and myself and plenty other millennials I know are still riding the struggle bus. But it's easy to pop on social media and see people you went to school with in photos with their happy families and big houses and nice cars that they earned from their successful corporate jobs, because those jobs still exist for anyone who has connections.
And it is millennials by-and-large who are responsible for the neocon movement that helped put Trump in power, fashy groups like the Proud Boys or Oath Keepers or whatever other flavor of the month domestic terrorism group, all of the "free speech absolutists" you see on Twitter and Reddit, and Silicon Valley techbros who pretend to be progressive in service to the almighty dollar.
No generation is free from bad eggs, because eventually enough people kowtow to the ideological apparati of the ruling class and perpetuate the endless cycle of "haves" vs "have nots".
My high school was full of dumb assholes so I can totally believe that a lot of them voted trump.
This is really the best comment in the entire thread.
Allow? Did you notice that most boomers still haven’t retired? Gen X and Millennials were never allowed space to exist, it’s been nonstop boomers since the late 1940s.
Barack barely counts as a boomer considering he was born in 61...
Obama a bit disrupted the process of getting young blood in DNC, while trump did the same thing in GOP.
The generation in between is the one that keeps electing geriatrics. They either didn't want the job or they weren't bold enough to kick their parents into the passenger seat. I say we skip them.
She's pretty badass.
My worry about AOC as candidate is that she's relatively alone in her political space, and is far from having Bernie's weight as of today. She's in the Democratic party, sure, but she's in a very small faction inside of it, which may lead to a Corbyn situation: she takes the helm of the party, but centrist figures begin attacking her from her own ranks with the support of the media until she's forced to concede to a moderate.
On the other hand, if you manage to get 100, 200 elected representatives in the Democratic party who are clearly ideologically aligned with AOC, making her the nominee is no longer a battle, but rather, it becomes the natural consequence of the balance of power within the party.
I completely agree with you and I hate it. Our political system will advance at the rate politicians croak, since apparently retiring from office has gone out of fashion.
women do tend to live longer than men, so maybe we could see a 91 year-old AOC on the ballet in 2080...
A 91 year old performing ballet would be funny.
ha! that shit is too good to edit
Maybe on the supreme court way before then.
Yeah Pelosi did a hatchet job on her already
And AOC didn't even get the sharpest part of the blade. Those would be Omar, and most especially Bowman.
Very true
Only 50 more years till she'll be considered
Biden should pick her up as a running mate. So she'll just automatically be president if Biden dies. You'll see conservatives doing their level best to ensure Biden is in the best of health.
Weekend at Bidens
when Biden dies. I don't expect him to last another 4 years. We're pretty much voting for Kamala at this point.
Are we though? I was hoping the VP spot would be given to AOC.
Ha! Nevermind. We all know who the predetermined candidates are.
Now this is actually a good idea
Only issue is she’s a divisive figure so center shitters might be driven to vote for trump. I think she’s awesome and would love if she was the first woman pres
A huge part of the poor youth vote attendance is due to them not feeling represented by geriatric nominees. If she were to run she would get very strong youth and minority support in addition to all the left voters.
TBH it would be a dream come true for her to run and win this year and I'm not even American.
I'm Canadian and agree with you.
Just imagine a ticket with AOC and Bernie Sanders! Now that would so something to see!
Bernie winning Dem primaries was the last time we saw the DNC put its heels in the sand. I don't think anyone should be surprised that a huge portion of the Dem voter base now feels consistently disenfranchised, especially the younger side. And the current issue with Biden doesn't improve it.
I'd say a larger reason is that they're simply not interested in the politics at that age.
I know I didn't care at all who was in government when I was at that age. The fact that they were a couple generations older than me wasn't a part of my thought process.
I simply couldn't be bothered to even think about politics or governments.
Trump and Biden are also divisive figures which is why this is even a discussion to begin with. We need to end the status quo immediately.