Greensleeves is almost 500 years old. I'm sure there were other very popular songs when it came out, but Greensleeves had to staying power to still be here. What do you think is today's Greensleeves?

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Not just a song that can be found in the archives, but one that almost everyone can hum, even today.

(Somebody asked what was meant by "today's...." Throw whatever you want out, somebody tossed out "Love me tender" as being a tune from in the 1860s.)

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One thing people might not realise, is that memorable old music can come and go. Until someone recorded a successful rendition in the 60's, Cannon in D had been forgotten for centuries. Now it's almost synonymous with wedding music, and seems completely timeless.

It's possible everyone will be crazy about 1919's El sombrero de tres picos in 2450, and (with this all being indistinct distant history) will picture us in 2024 playing it on boombox at a 2050's-style holo-orgy.

Tell me more about these 2050's Holo-Orgies

Busy. I'll get back to you about it in 30 years or so. /s

Will they be included with a Canadian residency or will it only be for CanadaPlus?

Hmm. Well, I haven't gotten any invites to orgies. The only possible, logical reason is that it's a plus-premium thing.

On a serious note, if anyone's an American who's serious about relocating to Canada and not just memeing, I'd get moving on it now. We have a massive housing shortage, and things would get sticky politically if there was a big wave of people pushing prices up even more.

I think having a dance associated with the song is integral to the staying power of a song. The Twist, Hokey Pokey, Electric Slide, all great contenders.

But time will prove that the champion is The Macarena, by Los Del Rio.

Nutbush City Limits might have a chance then, we'll see whether Australian public schools are still teaching the dance in a couple of hundred years...

7 nation army by the white stripes. It gets played after a goal is scored in football stadiums across the world.

Yeah, choosing something that will end up in the background of a lot of archives and memories is probably as good a strategy as any.

We will rock you by Queen another contender for similar reasons.

Sweet Caroline is getting that way for Football. Especially now that the English nicked it from us

Not even after goals. It's like the wave, you can start it up at most sporting events with the help of four other people.

Happy Birthday has the kind of universal recognition you'd be looking for. Maybe in 300 years there'll be a lyrical shift towards something more interesting. I know multiple versions of Greensleeves. The Cuckoo is the other song that I can think of with a long history. The wiki article doesn't fully capture it. I'll stick something in here later.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo_(song)

Happy Birthday owes it's place to function. I don't think anybody actually enjoys it as music.

Here Comes the Sun. Simple melody, timeless lyrics, and it's the most-streamed Beatles song out of an already strong and memorable catalog.

Fittingly similar to the theme of "Sumer Is Icumen In," a British round from the late 1200s.

I hate that song, it makes me sad as fuck every time I hear it, and if I never heard that song again in my life it’d be a better one.

Why does it make you sad?

Something about it just ruins my mood. I think it’s linked to how my parents put that song over old home videos and as a kid I would watch them and just ball uncontrollably at the loss of such simpler times (when you’re a baby and don’t have to worry about shit, you’re just cared for and loved).

It's...

PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME.

How many 1700s drinking songs does anyone know the tune of today? Well, there's "To Anacreon in Heaven", better known as "The Star Spangled Banner".

"Aura Lee" is from the 1860s, but the tune is better known today as Elvis's "Love Me Tender".

The guy who put that high note in a drinking song is one of my favorite humans.

Not sure about today's, but I think the one from the 18th century is Ah! vous dirai-je, maman, better known in English as Twinkle Twinkle Little Star or the alphabet song.

I never knew twinkle twinkle little star and the alphabet song were put to the same melody. Thank you!

You won't like the answer, but I'll tell you anyway.

It's The Macarena, by Los Del Rio.

i don't think so considering your the first and the only one who has even mentioned the song in the last 65 years.

Unfortunately, that's entirely untrue. I don't think you've put any effort into this exercise at all.

Creep by Radiohead, imagine how much that would annoy Thom Yorke.

Probably helps to be featured or mentioned in other notable media, as greensleaves is mentioned in Shakespeare, and creep is part of the fight club soundtrack, so it has that going for it I guess 😅

Happy Birthday, Pop Goes the Weasel, Auld Lang Syne, Here Comes the Bride are obviously here to stay. Lots of Christmas music has potential as well: Jingle Bells, and POSSIBLY Feliz Navidad by José Feliciano, as well as All I Want for Christmas is You by Mariah Carey.

But I also think Barbie Girl by Aqua has a decent chance of being practically universal. In that vein, maybe the Hampster Dance too, but idk. Dragostea Din Tei?

I think the real answer though is that most of the popular songs are probably ones that are connected to specific uses outside of the song itself. Pop Goes the Weasel is used in like, every pop-goes-the-weasel type toy, and even in movies when something scary is about to pop out at you. Happy Birthday is literally sung at every birthday. (That reminds me of For He’s a Jolly Good Fellow as well.) Auld Lang Syne is a popular New Years song across the world at this point. Here Comes the Bride at every wedding, etc. Maybe National Anthems will also hold the test of time, depending on if the nation lasts long enough and doesn’t change its anthem.

The point is, if it’s a practical and traditional tune it’s more likely to last, I think.

Oh. I forgot Reveille which is the military wake-up call bugle song lmao

Dragostea Din Tei

I don't think that one outlasts the next couple decades. Yeah, it's fun and the lyrics are weird, but Romanian isn't all that widely spoken, so the vast majority of the world population cannot sing it.

IDK, i was obsessed with that song as a teenager and learned to enunciate the whole song without knowing what it said. but, i have 99 Luftballons on my personal playlist so maybe i just like catchy foreign songs lol

Oh, I totally get it, I loved it too. I just don't think it will stick in quite the same way when people don't have lyrics to attach to the song. Like, I can't play it at karaoke night.

I think more people would be familiar with "Call to Post," than "Reveille." Dunno. I guess it depends on how many scouts and military members there are vs horse racing fans.

Based on what I hear playing, my money is on Mr. Brightside.

Gershwin's Summertime is my real answer. It has been covered by so many artists already, it might keep going.

Fly me to the Moon - Frank Sinatra

Simple, yet very recognizable melody. Easy to whistle, but could also be extended to a whole orchestra with vocals.

O Fortuna, Carmina Burana.

The poem was written in the medieval period, but finally set to music in 1935-1936. It still took till the 1970s to be used in TV/Film and became so widely used, it is now known as the most overused piece of music in film history.

It's not overused, it's just used a lot (not that I have heard it in anyway)

"O Fortuna" has been called "the most overused piece of music in film history", and Harper's Magazine columnist Scott Horton has commented that "Orff's setting may have been spoiled by its popularization" and its use "in movies and commercials often as a jingle, detached in any meaningful way from its powerful message."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_Fortuna

I'm not the one that called it that.

Define "today"? My first pick would be Yesterday, but that's about 60 years old already.

On the scale of Greensleeves, I would suggest Yesterday is today.

the entertainer by scott joplin

I say this with the deepest respect for the King of Ragtime, but Joplin has been dead for over a century now.

As much as I want TiK ToK by Kesha to be a recognizable tune in half a millenia I know that's not happening. Personal Jesus by Depeche Mode is one of the most covered songs of the past 50 years so that very well may become immortalized through diffusion alone. There's a couple dozen jazz standards that could have that kind of staying power as well, especially considering their ubiquity in performance repitoires and books of sheet music.

Bored music teacher in 2200: "and here children, we find the most important contributions to late 20th centure music: a phonograph of Depeche Mode's Violator."

I can only hope, deep into the future, some dork leans toward his friend and mutters "101 was better."

Anyone who would say that would say Black Celebration instead.

I would've said Songs Of Faith And Devotion, but a short name made a better gag, and I could not bring myself to say Ultra.

And seriously, 101 fucking rules. It's an energetic best-of before they asked themselves what made them special and stripped back everything for the iconoclastic rose album everyone knows them for. Which is okay.

On reflection, far from sober, it is surprising the Deftones have never covered "In Your Room."

Funny. Seems like you see Violator as the start of a new era for them, and I see it as the end of the classic era. There are isolated songs I like after Violator, but no whole albums. (For reference, SoFaD was their newest album when I started listening, and I got it as the same time as Violator.)

Violator is a band asking themselves what they're about and finding a crystal clear answer. The result is deliberately transitional. In going to the extremes, in excising everything that is not strictly necessary, they built a framework for a sound that is distinctly their own, without being more of what they'd already done.

Songs Of Faith And Devotion is bombastic, but all its power is built on that same crisp restraint. Especially in the 90s - it would have been easy to be louder and busier just by adding a little distortion, a little fuzz, a little taste of metal or grunge. Instead they stuck with clean synths and tasteful reverb, but made them fucking hit. (By contrast, see Playing The Angel. Or don't.)

Ultra does the opposite trick, applying that sparse soundscape to more-general instrumentation. It kinda works. Exciter does a better job of it, but still stumbles on tracks like "Dead Of Night" and "Comatose." Good demos! How long until they're complete? Oh. ("Freelove" nearly makes up for all of it.)

Everything after that... look, I actually like Playing The Angel, but I'm the kind of mutant who sincerely argues that Violator was merely okay. And even I can't find any love for Delta Machine.

All their work leading up to Violator was much more organic than how they made Violator. Their masterpiece, in the sense of getting their shit together and being taken seriously, was Construction Time Again, with "Everything Counts" as a tentpole. Some Great Reward was Gore going 'oh we can get real weird with this, huh' and leaning way the hell into the kink and the darkness, god bless him. Black Celebration was the peak of that arc.

Music For The Masses never rises to quite the same level, but in that album you can see the transition forming. "Behind The Wheel" is probably the crescendo of their old sound. Y'know, synthpop where someone's credited for playing the trash can. And then immediately there's "To Have And To Hold," which is maybe one degree too loose for Violator. It is emblematic of the sound they wanted.

I agree with you. To me, Violator was the last album of the 2nd generation of their sound, the first being a lot more New Wave. Although, I do think the shift from New Wave to the more techno industrial 2nd era was more gradual.

As much as I want TiK ToK by Kesha to be a recognizable tune in half a millenia I know that's not happening.

I heard it on the radio recently and they censored the beginning:

Wake up in the morning feeling like [redacted]

I heard a live performance where the line was changed to:

Wake up in the morning saying Fuck P Diddy

The nes super Mario bros overworld theme comes to mind. People who have never played a Mario game in their lives know that tune.

While not what one would think of when they think of songs that survive hundreds of years from now, the only song I can think of that's not a folk song that's both archived and hummable (and actually has a tune, so that excludes pop songs)...... is the Pokémon theme song. Go up to anyone and say in tune that you wanna be the very best and someone's gonna ask "like no one ever was".

i have this thing where when i'm focused, but switching tasks, i'll click my tongue but it's always the tune of nick nick nick n'nick nick nick o lo dea onnn

You need more Nick. One before n'nick and one after.

Source: I kinda still want to go to space camp.

Imo Greensoeeves mostly endured because it can be perfectly whistled by everyone and still be played by professional musicians in a way that awes the audience.

This will probably not be th reason why current songs will stay arround. If society doesn't break down, I assume that every popular melody, be it from the US, China or Lebanon, will stay around and get reused every ~30 years to grab some quick money.

Amen Brother by The Winstons, more specifically the drum break on it. It's by far the most used sample of any song ever, and once you know of it you'll hear it everywhere kind of like the Wilhelm Scream in movies.

I always forget there was a real historical figure and assume Greensleeves is Gull's little sister from those old Magic books.

Not sure how well they hold up, but like 25 years ago Arena and the Greensleeves trilogy seemed like the best books ever.

Probably a Jazz song since the musicians often cover the same Songs over and over again and thats how they could stay very long? Dont know which one though. A Train? Misty?

I don't know what it is but I hear it at sports stadiums. Duh duh duh duh- duh duh duh-duh It repeats

Edit: I've just found out it's called papas got a brand new pigbag.

In the U.S., “Neck” by Cameo has become a college marching band standard. I wonder if that will help. Not that it would come from U.S. college sports but maybe a song like “Sweet Caroline” or “Seven Nation Army” that’s played at professional sporting events in multiple countries.

This made me wonder what the oldest tune that would still be familiar to a lot of people today would be. Dies Irae is a good candidate. It's around 800 years old and is probably best known today from the 1980 version of The Shining, although I know it best from the Dr. Tongue stages in Zombies Ate My Neighbors.

Something from Michael Jackson maybe. I heard you can go somewhere where there is no civilization and they'll still know him.

One of my favorite little details of Blood and Wine, Witcher 3, is random people humming or singing small refrains of modern pop songs like the Beatles, implying these tunes are exactly what you're asking about.