Joe Biden campaign volunteers are quitting in "droves"
newsweek.com
In a letter published Wednesday on Medium, an anonymous group of Biden's campaign staffers demanded the president call for a ceasefire in Gaza, citing concerns that not shifting his policy on the issue could hurt his 2024 chances.
"Biden for President staff have seen volunteers quit in droves, and people who have voted blue for decades feel uncertain about doing so for the first time ever, because of this conflict," the Medium letter read.
"It is not enough to merely be the alternative to Donald Trump," the campaigners continued. "The campaign has to shift the feeling in the pits of voters' stomachs, the same feeling that weighs on us every day as we fight for your reelection. The only way to do that is to call for a ceasefire."
This thread is wild.. is it seriously shocking to people here that Biden campaigners (plurality young people) are upset about his response to the genocide in Gaza?? Yes, obviously we need to vote for him, but it’s crazy that criticism is labeled as astroturfing or attempts to sabotage his chances.
I really hate that every time someone criticizes him, some dumbass replies with "Yeah well Trump is way worse"
Yeah no shit lol, just because I hate the current president doesn't mean I'm automatically selecting the deranged orange.
That's why I dislike "approval" polling. I haven't approved of most of the people I've voted for. That's the point of our system: You vote for people you hate and they do things you don't like.
Also why the fuck are people working for free lmao
Have you never spent your spare time contributing to something you care about? I spend time contributing to open source code and Wikipedia, previously I've spent time building stuff to make a local park nicer. I could definitely see myself spending time campaigning for a political party if I felt the future of my country depended on it.
When you're doing something like that, spending time on something you have a passion for together with others, it's typically more fun and fulfilling than tiresome. You should try it some time.
I’m upset too, but there is more than one issue in the world. These people need to put things in perspective. If Trump wins, America is literally over.
So, genocide is a "single issue" which means it should be ignored? How can you hope for any semblance of change if you start by overlooking literal genocide
It isn't overlooking it to accept that there's nothing we can do about it. There will be no viable candidate who opposes Israel, and that's the unfortunate truth. There are still significant differences however between the two candidates, and I don't want the one who's likely to start a domestic genocide to win.
There's blood on our hands, and we don't have a way to wipe it off. I'd rather accept it and try to move forward than try in vain to clean them.
I don't. I gave up hope a while ago. Feels nice.
You balance it against your other priorities
Too bad trump and Biden are the only two people so I just have to be pro genocide.
You don’t have to. You can have your own views and make the best decision available to you given the circumstances.
So you're saying not to vote? Or that we should write-in a vote for a non-genocider?
No I’m saying that you can vote for someone and not agree with everything they stand for because that’s the best option you have. We do need reforms in America, but is that a reason to not vote or to wait around until all the conditions are perfect for you to vote your ideals?
So what is the move? It's clearly wrong to vote for Biden and you say not voting is a waste. So be frank and say what you're thinking clearly and plainly.
Vote people that has naunces on the downballot.
They did say it clearly. But let me see if I can't help.
You can have a slap in the face
Or a rusty shank to the neck
One or the other.
If you don't pick, one will be picked for you.
I get not wanting to vote for him. I do. But not all of us get that luxury.
I'm gay. Me and my boyfriend are talking about leaving the country. He's got one last semester of nursing school. Lots of places are desperate for nurses. We can probably get out. If we do, then I can say we get to move.
If the Republicans win, it won't just be get to, it will become need to as well. Any queer person who stays is taking a big risk. But not everyone will be able to leave.
Between the push for a fascist theocracy with Trump as the dictator as he uses phrases pulled from the Nazis and gives us their plans under Project 2025, I don't get the luxury of saying "Well, let's see if we can't come back from this." When we talk about being terrified of a Republican presidency, we are not exaggerating.
This isn't a light decision to make. I hate it. Even if the dems win, we might still leave. Project 2025 will just turn to Project 2029. Project 2033. Eventually they will win. But in the mean time I have to decide between voting for Joe who supports Isreal
Or risk Trump who supports Isreal, but also supports the same thing here
It's Biden or Trump
A slap in the face or a rusty shank to the neck
Gotta love the abusive-relationship mechanic from the dems.
"Yes, I'm a toxic piece of shit, but without me you'll be starving on the streets. So stop complaining, make me a sandwich, and tell me you love me. Now."
And anyone suggesting that maybe they should leave anyway... is smeared as just wanting to drive victims into homelessness and prostitution.
If you want people to vote for you, be good enough to vote for on your own merits.
If you're struggling to get votes despite your opponent being literally Trump, then you need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
It's only because Democrats are so shitty at cannidate choice that we got trump in the first place
Bold of you to assume they aren't propping up unpopular candidates on purpose.
And while they're at it, they very directly propped up Trump as well. Hillary Clinton is responsible for everything Trump did.
Truth x Facts
Like in 2016, and the DNC’s Pied piper strategy
Surly they couldn't be lying about being campaign staffers, could they? I suppose they have to remain anonymous to protect themselves from violent and deranged Biden cultists.
"Fake news!"
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/03/biden-campaign-anonymous-letter-israel-hamas-00133705
Nice try though to ignore the issue.
You should have posted the Politco article instead of the Newsweek. You are even citing the Politico article! The Newsweek article is hot garbage.
Fair enough. I saw the Newsweek article first and the Politico article only after I had posted the former here.
Newsweek is a terrible, terrible publication.
Ssssshut the fuck up
Excuse the world for being inherently suspicious of efforts that make space for letting Trump back into the White House after "letting the establishment learn their lesson" worked so outstandingly well in 2016.
Nobody's ignoring the issue, they're rightfully questioning the motives of the people who are stoking the flames on the issue.
It's good to see that people are putting pressure on Biden to do the right thing vis-a-vis Israel and Gaza. I think it's the right thing to do and I've been so disillusioned to see American democracy reduced to a booster contest between soulless ghouls that must never be challenged or questioned™.
It's not at all surprising to see toxic, bad-faith rhetoric deployed in his defense, tho. If there's one thing I can count on from the Dem establishment is that when faced with unsolicited input from young people, out comes the reductionist rhetoric about how anything that isn't ball-slobbering of their candidate and whatever the party has handed down as its agenda is a vote for fascism.
As it did in 2016, the Democrats are going through energetic disagreements over their future direction as a party- and as it did in 2016, the establishment is going to have to decide whether it can afford to alienate its younger/leftier constituency in order to chase votes to the center
The problem is that younger people often don't vote. So chasing their votes is a losing strat. Younger citizens need to actually get out there and make sure that they are casting votes, otherwise they will continue to not be taken seriously
I'm sure if younger people were given a reason to give a shit they'd come out and vote. Even the candidates that are supposed to be more relatable to younger voters(Dems) have tone deaf talking points that revolve around the stock market, unemployment, gas prices, and inflation, none of which are an accurate metric that would define economic opportunity for the youth. Kind of a self fulfilling prophecy.
You're correct but I see you've been downvoted by people who think young people "just don't vote" and this defeatist attitude is prevalent in the democrat fanbase. It's always "the president can't do that" when it comes to helping people where obama and biden can only offer breadcrumbs in 12 years, but somehow trump can turn the entire country into a fascist hellhole in just 4 years.
Give young people a reason to vote and they will: https://www.pewresearch.org/2008/11/13/young-voters-in-the-2008-election/
But nah, it's instead either "they don't vote so we don't need to care about them" or "if we shame them hard enough then they must vote for us!" Then when the democrats inevitably lose an election, it's somehow the voters' fault as if democrats are owed votes.
This smells like #WalkAway psyop bullshit. Anon letter on Medium as a source, lol please.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/03/biden-campaign-anonymous-letter-israel-hamas-00133705
Nice try though to ignore the issue.
I jumped to conclusions, at least someone has confirmed it's legit. Wasn't ignoring it but the astroturfing "Anon outside any verifiable or published source says" is a problem that keeps recurring.
They are entitled to their opinions, and I'm not even in disagreement - the entire conflict is an abomination and horrendous... but I'm curious who they'd vote for otherwise. No one worth talking about in US politics would chart a different course.
It's much easier to hold your nose and vote for the (much!) less bad option than it is to decide to spend your time and effort working for their campaign.
well he fired all the staffers who admitted to cannabis use even though he promised not to
hard to work and get the job done with someone who flip flops on everything he says probably quit too
So I can't volunteer for a campaign if I smoke weed?
Hmm, let me see. Ceasefire in a country that has nothing to do with us and doesn't effect us in the slightest
OR
We elect a literal fascist who actually admitted he will be a dictator and use the military against his enemies at home
Tough choice
"Genocide is fine if it doesn't happen to me" is not a take I was expecting to see being upvoted.
I'm sorry that pushing for Biden to be a better person is such a problem for you. Trump is a monster, but that doesn't mean we should ignore everything Biden does and pretend he's perfect.
I don't see anyone pretending Biden is perfect though?
I see a whole lot of people saying "a sane rational actor instead of a fucking psychpath and his cult."
You're in survival mode. So calling on the better of two options to condemn genocide and call for a cease fire is a waste of time?
I guess you have to compromise your morality to survive, but damn...
When the implied threat behind that call is letting the fascist wannabe dictator into office, yes it's a dangerous waste of time.
I'm a Palestinian here in America and I feel fucking violated by how many people are ready to let me hang by the klansman's rope on the excuse of being mad about what Israel is doing to my cousins in the Levant.
Meanwhile the man they're supposedly so mad at for his inaction has been pressing Israel on de-escalation, negotiating prisoner swaps, and negotiated Gaza the right to access their own offshore natural resources to use the revenue for their own development.
Biden at his worst is doing more for the Palestinian community than these supposed allies of ours are doing at what they insist are their best.
What else is there left to conclude except that vote hostagers prefer Palestinians dead rather than living, dead Palestinians don't call them out for enabling the circumstances that let Israel and racist Americans get away with tormenting and killing us.
Every cult likes to think they’re sane and rational.
Even the Cult of Biden.
who is doing that? where?
Oh shut the fuck up, that’s not what any of this even is, not to mention it’s not about being a “better person”. There is far more complexity to this whole mess. This shit doesn’t start nor end with Biden.
Your other responses in comments are just as shortsighted and simplistic, but go off ig
He’s not perfect. He’s like getting 6 hours of sleep, tolerable. Trump is like getting 45 minutes of sleep a week, concerning and dangerous. 8 hours of sleep isn’t on the ballot and probably won’t be next time either
Uh... Israel is killing Gazans using American-made weapons right now.
a brutal lie in the first part, a gross lie in the second part. mind you, I'm not pushing for any of the two octogenarian that will be elected.
“A group”? Two people said a thing? Well lets blast it out there like it’s fuckin’ true! FFS.
This is a garbage article. Newsweek is digging for clicks and does not give a shit about America. Just like all the corporate news sewers: CNN, NBC, ABC, WaPo, NYT who covered Trump relentlessly and repeated whatever insanity he spewed as if he were not a demented rapist fraud who can’t stop lying.
Fuck newsweek for this, whatever they are now is just twitter with a masthead.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/03/biden-campaign-anonymous-letter-israel-hamas-00133705
Way more than two people. Nice try though to ignore the issue.
“Way more than two” being five? Okay. Is five “droves”?
It is not. Way to hang on to trying to make this legit. It’s bullshit intended to stoke FUD and you’re all onboard. Give it up.
17 people behind the letter alone, discussing the many other people they've personally seen quit over the past three months.
What issue? That unpaid interns or those one step below are not agreeing with long-term political decisions that were practically made before they were born and only understand the surface of the subject?
Yeah, thanks. I think I'll just ignore those as well if I were in a position of power, and you would too.
What is this "moral responsibility," and why is it just now relevant? There were, are, and will be much bigger and worse issues, like climate change, but no one is talking about moral responsibility and blasting the ones who are in charge like it is happening right now with the Israel/Palestine crisis.
Maybe it is just the age of massive misinformation and propaganda campaigns from all sides (some are engaging much more than others) with which I have a problem. Because, in the end, I applaud people who stand up for what they think is right, like those interns. It just comes across as too selective to be a principle. I mean, the Israel/Palestine issue has been ongoing for what? 50 years? It's not even the first hot phase or siege of Gaza. And then you start working in politics and then you became aware of the politics and stopped working there? What?
Which makes sense. Campaign volunteers tend to skew younger, and the younger demographic really cares about the Israel/Palestine debacle.
But, again, what are they going to do? Campaign for "no President has done more for Israel" Trump?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/16/politics/trump-american-jews-israel/index.html
Not campaign at all. Which I'm sure someone here will interpret as being identical to campaigning for Trump.
Yeah who needs political activism anyway! Oh wait… that’s how we got into this fucked mess in the first place.
You can absolutely be an activist who doesn't work under a particular party or politician
Yes exactly. Like the displaced mentally ill guy who yells at the commuters downtown. Completely free of corporate entanglements.
It pretty much is, or if they push to a 3rd party who will end up taking away 5-10% of the vote, that's just as good as campaigning for Trump.
Stein, Kennedy, West have absolutely no hope of winning even a single state, much less the election, but they will make it certain that Biden doesn't win.
Really? Everyone who isn't actively campaigning for Biden is campaigning for Trump? Is there anything else to which Biden is entitled by virtue of being the second worst candidate?
If I don't sell everything I own and donate every dime to Biden, have I actually sold everything I owned and donated it to Trump?
Well now that you ask, you also need to talk about how amazing the economy is, and how young and vigorous he is, and like how much safer we are with a secure Israel and stuff.
Any conversation that isn’t talking about how amazing Biden is, is propaganda for Trump.
(Excuse me while I go wash my mouth out.)
Everyone who isn't actively supporting Biden will make sure Trump wins. Yes.
Well, you've certainly worked out who to blame.
So if I'm not out bothering my neighbors by knocking on doors and littering the highway with signs I'm campaigning for Trump?
If you aren't supporting Biden you are actively helping elect Trump. Yes.
Libs are fucking deranged
Case in point.
Per Biden himself, there are 50 others who can beat Trump. So, if Biden withdrew his candidacy- like he promised he would last time, there’s zero risk.
In fact, I would say not doing so is the greater risk.
I guarantee all fifty of those other people would also support Israel.
The neat part about America is that it doesn't care what you think, and will do heinous shit regardless. But you still have to vote or you're a bad person.
Oh, there's no doubt Biden should bounce, and if Trump gets convicted, or otherwise removed from consideration at the RNC in July, I expect Biden to bow out and we'll get a new candidate at the DNC in August.
biden bowing out after a trump conviction is probably the only thing that's more dangerous than biden not bowing out.
The trials don't begin until late spring, early summer at the earliest, so him bowing out after a conviction is going to be an insanely short window for whoever takes up the canidacy (and is after primaries,) He needs to be bowing out now to let the primary process actually happen.
Anything else means running the risk of trump winning.
Oh, the primaries aren't going to happen. Any replacement, on either side, will have to be at the conventions in July and August.
which will probably be before trump's conviction(s).
I'm okay with trump leaving the next guy with a shit show, but Biden is supposed to be the "rational adult in the room".
Yes, it is indeed a choice between eating shit and being flayed alive.
Like yes...i might survive eating shit, and I definitely don't want to be flayed alive, but wow...what a choice to have to make. Rock The Vote, 2024. Lol.
Man, it's like - every president for the past four decades has been in a shit eating contest, and Biden is the least shit-eating so far - is 'he eats too much shit' really the issue you want to make central to his candidacy? Especially when most voters are in favor of continuing to eat shit, for god knows what fucking reason?
I'm surprised how many people seem to have forgotten South Park's episode about deciding whether you want to vote for a douche or a turd sandwich.
Because it's only "eating shit" to the privileged, for folks that live the difference every second of the day, that difference is between a luxury buffet and being the one who's actually at risk of being flayed alive.
Do you really have no other choice but one of those two over there?
We really have no other choice
Their system automatically makes a winner of the biggest party. In any country that uses that system, it automatically leads to two main parties alternating in power. The advantage is that you don't need "messy" and "unstable" coalitions, but can have strong leadership with a solid base instead. Except that perhaps string leadership is a dangerous thing to have in many cases, and except that if the balance tends towards 50/50, you can easily have problems getting anything done.
It's the structure of our "first past the post" system. Basically, each party gets one representative on the presidential ticket. The two major parties have primaries where the top candidates compete in a vote within themselves, and the winner gets put on the presidential ticket for that party.
The obvious problem with that is that the party convention picks the candidate, not the voters. So it's possible to buy a party's candidate or for the conventions to snub popular choice in favor of not shaking things up too much in the status quo.
The latter point, the democratic party picking lukewarm candidates that are moderate at best because the establishment doesn't want to disturb the status quo, has been a problem for a long time and is a major reason democrat voters don't go to the polls.
Yup, so sayeth both sides of America's one-party system.
People are afraid to back anyone but the big two. They say things like "throwing your vote away" and "you're letting them win" if you don't vote one of the big 2.
I understand their point, but we need a systemic change to our political system for the kind of change we want to happen to actually happen.
For the two parties in power, what's better than convincing people that this is true? Actually making this true.
This isn't just a thing that's "said." It's actually the case, and it's been proven both statistically and experimentally. The system has been crafted specifically to cause that outcome, reinforced over decades to ensure that there are no other viable opportunities for choice.
A third party would have to win an absolutely massive percentage of the vote; Ross Perot in 1992 did better than any non-major-party candidate in the prior 80 years or any year since, he won nearly 20% of the popular vote, but took exactly zero electoral votes. (By contrast, a major party politician could conceivably game the electoral college—that is, get exactly 270 electoral votes—and take office with just 23% of the popular vote.) In fact, no third party candidate has taken any electoral votes since 1968; and no third party has beaten the trailing major party since Theodore Roosevelt in 1912, who still only came in second.
"The system is perfectly designed to produce the results it's producing." If it never produces a third party victory, that's because it can't.
Unfortunately, to have any hope of changing it, we have to vote for the people who actually want to keep having elections.
Change can happen internally as well. That's what happened to the republican party. It's not the same party it was 20 years ago.
But in order to break the 2 party system, it likely has to be done on a grassroots scale in local elections first and slowly climbing to a national scale.
Change can happen internally, yes. And I hope it does. But the means to do that isn't "not voting in the general election," especially when the stakes are so high. The way change happens internally is the same way we break the two-party system, because they have no incentive to change if everything is working fine for them right now.
I'm tired of this black mirror episode, can we go back to the 90's please?
Though I agree that Biden should be punished for what he's doing there, I would please like to remind everyone that the alternative guy would probably just chose to "nuke Gaza or something, problem solved, right?" Or some other insanity like that. Please please, vote Biden, as bad as he is
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Biden has faced immense pressure from members of his own party over the United States' policies in light of the surprise Hamas attacks on Israel on October 7, which killed about 1,200 people and resulted in roughly 240 hostages, including some Americans.
In a letter published Wednesday on Medium, an anonymous group of Biden's campaign staffers demanded the president call for a ceasefire in Gaza, citing concerns that not shifting his policy on the issue could hurt his 2024 chances.
"Like so many others, we continue to be devastated by Hamas's attack against Israeli civilians on October 7th—it was a vile assault, one that touched the consciousness of the country," the letter read.
"Biden for President staff have seen volunteers quit in droves, and people who have voted blue for decades feel uncertain about doing so for the first time ever, because of this conflict," the Medium letter read.
The staffers' letter comes on the same day a U.S. Department of Education policy adviser told the Associated Press that they submitted their resignation in protest of the president's handling of the war in Gaza.
According to the progressive Working Families Party, 64 members of Congress—all Democrats—have also called for a ceasefire or cessation of Israel's military actions in Gaza.
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If idiots are too fucking stupid to vote for Biden, because of a religious war...well, it kind of fits in with the past decade of idiocracy. You get what you fucking deserve.
Yeah but the rest of us don’t deserve it
That's the great part about democracy: Everyone gets the consequences of bad decisions!
Here's the thing: Politics is dead.
You know what else has broad popular support?
Medicare for All
Free college
Well funded public housing
There's a much longer list, but you get the idea. It's not what both parties are the same ... it's that Democrats use the same tired excuses for not doing what is popular and needed.
In 2024 not only are we going to be asked to once again ignore that Democrats are unable to fulfill the most basic functions of a political party, but we're going to be told we need to vote for somebody who tacitly approved of ethnic cleansing and genocide.
That's a bridge too far for me. Saying that the other guy is worse may be true, but it still doesn't take away the reality that the Democratic nominate for POTUS is a genocidal monster.
Getting a free pass for not being Donald Trump isn't likely to work twice. Biden isn't walking into this election running against Trump's miserable failure of a presidency, he's running on his record now. And his record is shit. It's a record of going "Well, my hands are tied" when it's time to help Americans but also having unlimited will and political capital to send our money to fund a genocide. It's a record of not cancelling student loans, not legalizing marijuana, not meaningfully addressing climate change, not doing anything about healthcare, not doing anything about education. Biden's presidency has been one that primarily is about chiding the left, calling us idiots and demanding our votes while flat-out telling us he's not gonna do anything we ask and that we should be grateful that he's not gonna send the army to kill us like Trump said he would.
Two people quit = droves.
ROFL. Gotta love sensationalism.
You're referring to actual appointed staff in his cabinets, not the people volunteering for his campaign and other non-cabinet staff.
Oh… you mean the “anonymous” people that can’t be verified?
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/03/biden-campaign-anonymous-letter-israel-hamas-00133705
Nice try though to ignore the issue.
If you say so. Keep spreading this bullshit and you can enjoy Trump as your dictator. I’m sure he’ll navigate the Palestinian conflict MUCH better.
I'm sorry that reporting factual information is such a problem for you. Disliking Trump and Republicans in general is not a reason for me to be purposefully blind to the actions of those I do support.
Yes, I agree we should not be blind to the facts. For instance:
“bOtH siDeS!” Right? No one is asking you to be blind to what’s going on, but to shit on the one person that stands a chance to keep us from having a dictatorship?
I sincerely hope you are going to be proud of what you accomplish here.
So, basically, you're saying we ignore everything Biden does, no matter how terrible, and not bring up that maybe he should be better?
If biden said we aren't supporting Isreal that would be the opening for Iran and friends to genocide Isreal and you would be the person who would say why isn't biden helping Isreal. This is a lose lose situation. And you seem to have decided to be a single issue voter, so vote your conscious but when Trump is turning palanstine into glass and rounding up any non Christians into camps remember that it was your fault because biden didn't control a country that he isn't president of.
He absolutely should be better. But what you’re saying is- let’s not support the one guy for doing the same thing that the other guy will do- only the other guy is a twice-impeached treasonous rapist that will run America like a dictatorship.
Look, they’re both going to shit on Palestine. Why give the one that’s has and is going to also going to shit on America- a pass?
It’s not time to make stands on foreign affairs anymore. And the fact that you’re able to even consider it shows you’re in a better place now that’s you will be if that traitor is elected. We won’t have that luxury to be concerned with it if he’s allowed to be dictator. We need to save THIS country right now. Otherwise- and TRUST ME ON THIS….
Palestine will be the least of your troubles.
Emphasis mine. They literally said they're supporting Biden. Just because you support one side doesn't mean you refuse to critique their faults.
You might not have much of a better option until Trump paints his bunker
Republicans would also support Israel. All these people who are leaving Biden aren't doing anyone any favors, including the Palestinians.
Nobody left democrats. It's just that Biden might lose his nomination (unless American elections don't work that way for the sitting president.. I am just an outsider)
So is he handing the republicans the presidency this year or what? Honest question.
Yup. Pretty much.
It feels exactly like the Hilary campaign in ‘16 felt like.
The Hillary campaign wasn't Hillary handing the presidency to Trump; it was the DNC handing it to him.
As though there was a difference between the two at the time.
The fuck?? No it absolutely does not feel like 16. You are commenting the wildest shit in this post, how many goddamn shit takes you got??? My favorite was when you started crying about “the cult of Biden”
There was not two important proxy wars in ‘16, Trump wasn’t drowning in legal battles, democracy wasn’t hanging by a thread with a party front runner publicly speaking of a dictatorship, so many things are wildly different both internally and externally to the nation.
What does feel like ‘16? People underestimating the danger of Trump (in part thanks to big corps like cbs that spotlight trumps bullshit to normalize it and make money on the clicks), overall unsatisfying candidates, what else???
Even the legal connection is incomparable between literal insurrection and an attack on the voice of the people and the peaceful transfer of power, stealing and sharing top fucking secret docs like specs on our nuclear subs with any fucker who pays to visit MAL and…… Hillary using a private email server.
Ya just like 2016!!!
Get a fucking grip
Referring to campaigns, yes the campaigns feel the same as back then. The same mood.
Obviously other things are different.
You don’t think idiots are culty about Biden? Look at your hostility towards me. Biden is not even a “good” candidate.
His economy still sucks for Americans and while we can blame that on Trump, his continued insistence that it’s not is pretty fucking tone deaf.
His continued support for Israel is equally tone deaf… and you just called it a proxy war, which kind implies the power to stop it. If it’s truly a proxy war, why aren’t you calling for that? And why the hell do you support a guy willing to get not one but two genocidal wars going?
He is deeply unpopular with a broad majority of his supposed base, exactly like Hilary was, he’s ignoring that fact either willfully or because he’s just that ignorant- exactly like Hillary- and his cultish assholes (that’s you at the moment) are jumping down peoples throats for speaking out, hoping to astroturf them back into silence exactly like Hilary in ‘16
Any other perspectives you want to invalidate…. Just like in ‘16, or do you maybe want to consider what people are saying?
You act like you’re entitled to tell people how to vote. You’re not, and if you and the rest of the DNC keep it up… you’re going to find that out again.
If you truly want to defeat Trump, then Biden is the candidate for you- any candidate more progressive than a stick in the mud is practically a shoe-in in comparison to Biden,
You have far, far, far more faith in the American people than I do.
Granted, I have zero faith. But you've got a ton more than that.
Folks don't want Genocidal Joe. Anyone supporting him is supporting the sleep walking to fascism.
Yes because clearly whomever else runs won't put our troops into Gaza instead? Oh? You want to vote 3rd party? Lol. You just voted for Trump. I'd tell you that you're throwing your vote away, but I won't. There will be plenty of time for that. When we're in the concentration camp.
Bernie.
Not running.
Also sure you want to protest vote, but you literally won't be able to protest if Trump wins.
Well Trump will win if folks keep pushing through Genocidal Joe.
Yep might as well get ready for the camps then
What camps?
Concentrate on that question for a bit and you may finally come up with the solution.
Why don't you just clarify?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
No, why and how should I get ready for them?
How? Guess vote 3rd party because it's a vote for Trump. Or maybe just vote for Trump.
Why? If Trump wins all of the undesirables, which is anyone not wearing a MAGA hat, will likely be interned in camps. At first. Then they'll find people who wear those too.
And because I doubt that you're acting in good faith, if you fail to see the parallels to 1930s Germany, and the rise of Adolf Hitler, then the school system that you attended should face a serious audit.
People didn't take him seriously either.
The greatest generation fought and died to end fascism in Europe. Now that they're all dead we get to see it rise in the United States.
And a vote for a 3rd party, which is the same as not voting, is allowing Trump to secure his rise as King to begin the Trump Dynasty. All hail God Emperor Trump!
Protest vote in 2016 worked so well for everyone /s
Exactly
A vote for Democrats is a vote for a party that "isn't trump" but isn't particularly interested in stopping him or the impending fascism.
As opposed to the guy who literally is fascist and "comes up with Hitler's talking points independently".
The camps won't be summer camp.
Sure maybe they'll start with trans youth. Then lgbtq. Then brown people. Then cat boys.
Do you really want to live in a country without cat boys?
Eventually they'll find a reason to go after you or someone else who you do care about.
You posted Bernie or bust in 2016 on live journal? Choo Choo! Off to the camps!
My point is we've played this game for decades and it still led us to Trump because democrats and liberals DON'T DO SHIT TO STOP THEM. They're complicit because they still benefit from Republicans getting their way.
Voting dem doesn't stop fascism, it only delays it by an election or two as Republicans continue to consolidate power and disenfranchise voters while the dems shrug because they think the only true injustice is hurting Republicans feels.
Yep let's vote Trump and get it over with right?
If every person who shrieked a vote for a third party elects trump voted for a third party, we'd get a third party.
You're the one voting for Trump by refusing to move away from a broken system. Voting slightly less right is still voting for the right. 🤷
the poem starts "first they came for the communists" so you can sit down.
Okay sure let me know how many communists you know?
Let me know what your solution is?
Because they certainly have the roadmap for a final one.
https://www.project2025.org/
me. I'm a Communist. so you can take your identity politics and status quo dick sucking and sit the fuck down.
See you in the camps then
I'm not voting for genocide no matter how vivid your revenge fantasy
P2025 only scares white liberals because it finally targets you. Everyone in the global majority have had versions of P2025 for decades, if not centuries. You demand we come to your rescue to prevent your version of P2025 while you didn't have our backs while they were oppressing us. In fact liberals did worse, claim to support their plight while electing the people that amplified the struggle. Restructuring the executive branch to benefit the donor class has been happening since Clinton and his DLC.
Hey that's fine, see you in the camps!
So fucking mellow dramatic
>You want to vote 3rd party? Lol. You just voted for Trump.
only a vote for trump is a vote for trump
You just don't know how a two party system works. It's okay, the Republicans will get rid of the department of education.
https://www.project2025.org/
this isn't a rebuttal, it's a red herring
No it's a warning. The concentration camp will give you lots of time to think about the time you put your principles ahead of your best interests.
I'm not voting for genocide no matter how vivid your revenge fantasy
For those who's not voting for Joe or won't vote because of Biden position, reminder that you can still vote, and pick the candidates that AIPAC is financing against within downballots.
However, I will vote for Joe Biden because we live in the FPTP system, and I plan to vote out AIPAC endorsed candidates on the downballot. I'm voting in people that has naunces which means I will not support people who do hate Jewish people.