Why 🤷‍♂️ do users 👨‍💻 dislike 👎 the use ✅ of emojis 😀 on Lemmy 🐭?

HottieAutie@lemmy.dbzer0.com to No Stupid Questions@lemmy.world – 43 points –

Ok, the title was an overuse of emojis as a joke. But seriously, I like some limited use of emojis because it helps me convey intention/emotion so that I'm less misunderstood and also adds some more feeling/fun to text content 😄

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My dyslexic brain gets upset with this mid-sentence emoji usage. Takes much more time and effort to read and interpret.

Are you using the opendyslexic font?

This font is awesome, and I cannot fathom why Apple will not let me use it even in the Books app, much less anywhere else.

Father Apple protects us from all wickedness , including autonomy and any choice unconsidered by Him, mhm.

Because they didn't want you to read the trauma terms of service better

Often yes, though most sans serif fonts work well enough for me.

I think of them like swear words. Not on-the-internet swearing, but public swearing. To use their full power, words like "fuck" need context and - more importantly - discretion and frugal usage.

Overuse of emojis is even easier and harder to look at. But when used right, they serve a purpose. Otherwise it's "Why the fuck do users fucking dislike the fucking use of emojis on fucking Lemmy?"

it can quickly get unreadable. I mean, I'm fine having a smiley to mark-down the humour/sarcasm, or the bad news but on some social media it's like

*During 🍑 🍆 the 🐱 👁️‍🗨️ at 💑 *

Even more straightforward stuff can still be messy, I am not saving much by writing 🇧🇪 still has no government (Is that Romania ? Germany ? Belgium ? ) over Belgium still has no government

I grew up with emoticons and find the colorful nature of them quite disruptive... but that might just be me *shrug*

I’m sooooo with you. Emoticons 4eva! And ASCII art.

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My keyboard doesn't have enough Cs on it to properly express how thicc that is.

Hahaha it’s from a VERY NSFW animation, “Axel in Harlem.” It was a big meme on a subreddit I used to go to, that I can no longer remember the name off it was all sped up and had “Ballin’” by Roddy Rich pitched up as the background music. It’s a hoot. I can pull that ASCII art by typing “forgies”. I also have

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Man, you hit the nail on the head for why emojis nag me, messages being monotone just makes it so much easier to parse.

It feels immature and cringe but that's probably only 'cause I'm “old”.

Same. Plus, emojis don't really add a whole lot that words cannot, and interpreting them takes away valuable time from my schedule when I'm practicing yelling at kids to get off my excuse for a lawn.

And I thought it was us middle-aged (40+) and older who was the only one who still used them literally. Gotten the impression that younger generations invented non-obvious meanings that spread in trend waves, then stopped using emojis when it became too hard and social anxiety-inducing to keep track of the various interpretations of what a "slight smile" might possibly mean to the receiver. 🙂

Yeah, I don't care anymore. I just use a few smile emoji, and the facepalm one, because I never found a satisfactory emoticon for it.

Excessive emojis make reading difficult. It's just as bad as posts. That. Are. Written. Like. This. My internal voice pauses for ever period, likewise, I have to interpret every inline emoji. It's mentally tiring, and while forums like this aren't formal, when I see abused emoji use, I instinctively write off a comment or post as juvenile and low quality. I'm more inclined to skip reading it entirely because of the extra effort required and my pre judgement of its contents.

Tagging an emoji to the end or light use to help convey emotions is fine and intuitive. I personally like them for quick response and like you, to add a little more context to text where the "voice" may be missed.

I think it might just be the old creeping in. Kids like emojis, and they weren't around when we were kids, so it is new and strange so I don't like it, etc.

Because I'm a millennial semi-luddite who (typically) prefers emoticons.*


*Contrary to popular opinion, emoticons ≠ emoji. :) is an emoticon, while 🙂 is an emoji. (Sorry, this is a pet peeve of mine. Lol.)

YES, emoticons are so much better than emojis!

They're objectively not.

They are not objectively better or worse overall, though one or the other may be objectively better in individual contexts.

Individual people may prefer one over the other, though. I am one of them.

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I like one or two at the end of the sentence to help relay tone. As seen in:

OMG! HE'S DYING! 😂

OMG! HE'S DYING! 😭

Those are useful emojis.

The best part is when boomers can't tell them apart. "Grandma died 😂"

I see emojis as text's substitute for body language. Body language is supposed to supplement the spoken word. Emojis should supplement the paragraph.

Trying to communicate with more emojis than text is akin to trying to communicate with more body language than spoken word.

Ever try to say something but forget the word, and you try to convey the meaning with body lamguage instead? Overuse of emojis implies a similar lapse of thought.

Emojis to me are like a strongly flavored seasoning. It's only appropriate in specific contexts, and even in those contexts, just a pinch goes a long way. Too much and it can detract from the experience.

Emojipasta is grossly overseasoned food. But that's the point, obviously. It's the emoji version of those white women on Tiktok who throw three pounds of ground beef wrapped around an entire block of cheese in a baking sheet full of milk and bake it in the oven for rage clicks.

Me, personally, I usually don't need emoji seasoning. I'm fine with it plain. Besides, most emojis to me have all the class of drowning your entire meal in ranch dressing. There are a very small handful of exceptions. But that's just my lame opinion.

And of the ones I do find theoretically useful, I'm always hesitant to use them, because emoji rendering is platform specific. They're not quite like text, where the glyphs are entirely utilitarian and typeface it's written in conveys little to no information. But with emojis, the subleties pile up. A thinking emoji rendered on a Windows PC isn't quite the same as a thinking emoji on an iPhone, or various kinds of Android phones. Unless I'm on a platform like Twitter or Discord that forces all clients to use a single emoji set, I can never confidently send a precise emotion with an emoji.

Platforms like Discord that let you create your own emojis instead of using the comparatively sterile, corporate-approved, general purpose set provided in standard Unicode is another story. I like those and use them extensively. If Lemmy natively supported a Discord-esque system where instances or communities could define custom emojis that didn't rely on custom clients, plugins, or instance-specific rendering hacks, I'd use them all the time. Though this would, I presume, be to the extreme chagrin of many.

Using them like the title here, I hate them too. You only need a few, and they should be conveying the same emotion that the text is being written as. 😮‍💨

They can be pretty good at expressing sarcasm. Especially the eye roll one.

"Yeah. Because that looks good. 🙄"

what exactly have you seen people saying when they complain? when they do it like you did in the title, it's just too busy for my eyes, I've been in Discord servers where the moderators ask people to remove most of the Emojis from their username because of how annoying it is (to them apparently. I find it a little obnoxious but not enough to care).

I basically use them as tone indicators. like

omg 😭

omg 🙄

omg 🖕

omg 💀

omg 🥵

etc.

Made me go and check, but surprisingly lemmy doesn't have an emojipasta community

I would have thought that one would have made the jump

I don't mind them when used appropriately, but remember that us old people may struggle to make out which emoji we're looking at when the text is small.

To my eyes it also looks out of place in professional writing, so I would find it hard to take you seriously if you use emojis in such a context.

TL;DR: in a casual context, go nuts, but avoid for important communication where clarity and professionalism matters.

  1. At the font sizes I tend to view text in, I can read text clearly but emoji just look like blobs. The details are so small that ALL of the faces look like yellow circles.

  2. There are so many emoji, many of them with only slight differences between them, that they render each other meaningless.

  3. So many of them are being used as something else and keeping up with their actual meaning is just not worth the time.

Emojis make reading slower because you'll pay attention to both emojis and text , and try to understand it

I do them anyways ignore the downvotes live your true self ⓋⒶ🐇

This might be part of the reason: to me, your comment ends with a V inside a circle, an A inside a circle, and a rabbit. I don’t understand what that’s supposed to mean.

"Why! Do users! Dislike! The use! Of emojis! On Lemmy!?"

Overused, they're just so tiring too read. I think, if you're gonna go that hard, just full send hieroglyphics and drop the text aspect.

Yeah but

⁣🍐🍌🍋🍋🍊🍊🍎🍎🍎
🍐🍏🍌🍋🍋🍊🍊🍎🍎
🍆🍐🍐🍌🍋🍋🍊🍊🍎
🍇🍇🍏      🍋🍊🍊
🍎🍆🍇  ⁣😎  🍋🍋🍊
🍒🍓🍇      🍌🍋🍋
🍊🍎🍉🍇🍆🍐🍐🍌🍋
🍊🍊🍓🍎🍇🍇🍏🍐🍌
🍋🍊🍊🍎🍓🍇🍇🍐🍏

But that's art. That's not what this threat is about

It definitely depends on the instance, but as a whole it’s probably a bit of carryover culture from the other place where emoji are not generally accepted.

I predate emojis by a bit, they never really caught on with me.

Lemmy has a lot of grumpy old folks who fear change so it just comes with the territory.

Odd because why would such people switch to a new platform?

Because they didn’t like the direction Reddit was heading I guess? But I don’t know the full answer. I’ve just noticed that Lemmy seems to skew older than I would have expected.

Maybe it’s just reflecting the demographics of the tech-savvy open source enthusiasts that might be interested in such a project? Are there young people with such interests still? And if so where are they?

I’m also old, just not as grumpy as some, so I don’t really know what the young people are up to nowadays. Most I know in person seem to be on TikTok and instagram but that’s not the tech crowd, if they’re out there somewhere.

Ngl i use emojis whenever too, i dont think anyone "hates them", ive seen other people use emoticons too [eg, ":)"]

I hate them. Words are easy enough to misunderstand or misconstrue. Emojis take that to an entire other level.

I grew up with forums where emoticons were substituted with smiley images (on badly coded ones, "8)" turned into "😎" even when it was just a parenthetical ending with the number 8 or the eighth point in a bullet point list). I use emoji approximately when I would have used those smileys, it is a good thing they're now standardized, but other than that I find them unnecessary and distracting.

Overuse of emojis can also really be annoying for people using screen readers. They clapping hands get clapping hand to clapping hands hear clapping hands something clapping hands like clapping hands this. So it's also an accessibility issue.

You only speak one language in a sentence right? How often do you switch between languages in a single sentence?

Emoji are pictograms the same as east Asian languages are pictograms.

You know many words in any language, are borrowed from other languages right? You just used a Japanese word when you said emoji.

While true that the term originates from Japanese, it's important to note that emoji is a loanword that has been adapted into english by changing its pronunciation subtly, and replacing its spelling with a phonetically similar one in an alphabet not used in Japanese.

This is similar to when words and phrases are used without much adaptation in the middle of sentences that are otherwise in a different language. There's a certain je ne sais quoi about English and how it mixes loanwords (such as "calque"), calques (such as "loanword", where individual parts of the word are translated then recombined) and entire unchanged terms (such as "je ne sais quoi") freely, and to varying degrees depending on where you are and who you talk to.

Ik ben talking about using geen common words in a sentence.

That was a weird sentence right? Emoji has a common use in English where ik,ben, and geen do not.

What even is your point? Besides not acknowledging that language evolves.

East Asian languages aren't pictograms. Most use phonetic alphabets. Among those that don't, very few characters use visual resemblance to convey meaning, and no language uses primarily pictographical characters.

I thought lemmy got an emojipasta community when I saw your post 😂

omg 🙏 can you 🫵 imagine 🧠?? that would bee 🐝 crazyyy 👉🤪

Yeah. This is what I can NOT get behind, and I responded in approval of emojis! You already said the words, why add the pictures?

Sounds like you haven’t been on emojipasta.

It’s sarcastic overuse of emojis. Not meant to be taken seriously.

I think using one here and there is fine. It's only annoying if there's more than one or if the comment is nothing but an emoji.

It's funny because I love them to death on slack. I think I prefer emojis as reactions rather than inline text. Also if you put them in line it can f*** up search

One thing I really hate is when people use that clap emoji between every word to try to solidify what they're saying.

Doing that, or saying "full stop", etc. doesn't make me trust what you're saying more. Explain why what you're saying is correct. Use words, logic, and sources.

Because this isn't a Spot The Dog book, and we don't need little picture of all the nouns.

On their own they're ambiguous and vague; with the matching word they're completely redundant.

What good does it do to say "I had pizza [little picture of pizza] for lunch"?

I'll use the occasional :) or such as befits the tone, but pointless hieroglyphics are pointless and annoying.

Because you look like a ratchet ass ghetto idiot using them.

Using one or two occasionally to convey emotion or humor is one thing, but they're neither words not punctuation marks. Using them as such is not just annoying, but actively disrupts the rhythm of the words you're reading - especially if they're plunked into the middle of a sentence or clause. It's like saying "I love HEART cheeseburgers." Go ahead, say it that way to somebody in person and see how they react.

Because, emojis, breakup, the, flow, of, a, sentence, like, a, comma. Using too, many, makes, it, sound, like, you, are, straining, to 💩.

Huh, never understood it till now. 100% how my inner monolog read the title.

Do add to your point making all those movements while talking make you seem crazy.

To be fair, i dislike them everywhere

Even from the before times

One emoji is fine.

Two if you want to underline your reaction.

Three is the maximum allowed by the cringe police.

After three according to the judgement of the Oratrice Mecanique d'Analyse Cardinale you belong to the Facebook boomer jail. Enjoy the nationalist/racist/sexist/lame minion "memes".

When I see more than three laughing emojis a sitcom laughter is automatically playing in my head. It feels like being forced to laugh at gunpoint.

People who put the clapping emoji between every word should be taken to the guillotine.

For the same reason they don't irrationally like the cyber truck.

They don't know.

I don't have any fundamental issue with emojis when they're used to expand meaning or provide clarity. Eg you could use an emotive emoji to show/clarify the intent/emotion of something. Imo, using emojis in this way is no different than the practice of adding a "/s" to denote sarcasm. When they get annoying is when they're used superfluously; if they serve no purpose, then it's just clutter.