Who went "full fedi" yet?
Bit of a simple question: Some people on lemmy are still posting stuff from youtube, xitter and the like.
Have you gone full fediverse yet or how far are you?
- traded reddit for lemmy/kbin
- xitter for mastodon
- discord for matrix
- youtube for peertube
Obviously I also mean other alternatives. Which ones do you use and why?
Disclaimer: this question is me asking genuinely but also trying to make it fun by arbitrary ranking/escalating it. Not trying to say one is better than the others.
I dumped Twitter in the first wave after Elon took over and found a new home on Mastodon. Deleted my Reddit accounts during the API crisis (I still visit but no longer contribute) and spend some time on Lemmy (haven’t yet found the community to be as engaging). Sadly there isn’t a viable alternative for YouTube yet.
And, honestly, I feel like there will never be an alternative to YouTube.
Hosting video costs a lot of money, it's not something anyone can do
Even if you magically host video, the real challenge is discoverability.
It’s a bit like how easy it is to replace google maps, but the secret sauce is google places.
I can see how you would think that but peertube is very good bar the discoverability atm. Hosting your own content is easy and cheap. Just the search engine needs to be better. And you need to be able to search all federated servers.
My example is minecraft. I make videos but if I search minecraft on peertube some random stuff gets pushed for a reason I cant understand.
And the almost hidden gotcha of sharing your IP.
You‘re talking about the peer2peer video sharing. Thats an entire different can of worms in my book. Not sure about that either. But youtube and the whole megacorp situation is an abomination that needs to go, no matter the past advances they made. One reason they act anti competitively is because being innovative is hard and risky and they‘d rather get rich securely.
You can use a VPS or cloudflare in that case
Yeah the scale of infrastructure needed for video hosting at a scale needed for creators to move over is nutso. The creators won’t move without the audience, the audience won’t move without the creators. Only way it could work is if another “megacorp” decided to take on YouTube and incentivised creators to move.
Pretty much only Apple and Microsoft have the funds to pull that off.
Still, there is place for competition, people just need to stop expecting these services to be completely free of charge. When Google 'fees' (data collection and ads) will stop being hidden or easily avoidable other companies will be able to provide similar services for a fair price.
Yup, I’m paying for Nebula which is creator-owned. It doesn’t do everything YouTube does, but it’s a cool direction for the medium to go into - at least to try.
Also stopped using Insta after the fuckers randomly blocked me and demanded access to my ID to release. I’m not giving them my passport just so I can doomscroll.
Reddit was the only service I used. The day my favorite 3rd party app stopped working. I gave them the finger and created a lemmy account and installed Jerboa.
Pretty straightforward! Congrats. :)
Can recommend Boost for Lemmy. Was a great app for Reddit earlier. They converted their app to Lemmy pretty darn fast. Sync for Lemmy is also good but is subscription based unlike Boost.
Slowly but surely I'm getting rid of the corpo's grip on my life.
Congrats! I appreciate every soul we can rip from the corpo claws. 3. There are matrix bridges that can puppet your account. Pretty cool. Though I need to figure out how to use them. Found out this week. 4. Check out peertube. Especially sepiasearch.org. It's not perfect and you need to accept that they dont have an algorithm so you need to sort by newest or be very specific in your search terms. Trying to get them to add sort by likes, watch numbers or comment numbers. Lets see how that goes.
I've heard of bridges but never tried them, I'll look into them more.
Peertube is pretty cool, just doesn't have all the creators I watch currently. I do still watch some content on there though.
Awesome idea! They‘re great.
Peertube is great but it needs time.
I was solely Reddit before the API debacle, now I'm solely Lemmy. There's not a lot of content here, but here I am.
I tried Mastodon after the Twitter buyout. It has all the downsides of Twitter (short posts, people constantly axe grinding, reply guys) without the upsides (content creators that I want to interact with, humour accounts). I dropped Mastodon after a couple of months.
That's also my problem with Mastodon. Want to use it over Twitter, it's a good form of broadcasting for updates to my interests/followed organizations/products/etc. But nobody's there... 🤷♂️
Never felt the need for microblogging when Reddit existed, and chats are a mess and I will never understand the appeal unless I spent 24 hours there. So now it's Lemmy all the way... except for YouTube, of course, because that one is simply too hard to avoid, although I do mostly use Piped mirrors.
I sadly agree on youtube. I love watching gameranx to fall asleep to. Trying to get into peertube though. Still very early, no app, search is bad imo but the idea is great.
YouTube is still there. Through invidious, but still...
I hate yt for a while now and avoid it. The grimaces they make in the teasers and the sensationalism displayed in the recommendations deter me. It seems to be tailored for infants and insanely stupid people. It feels like a constant stream of insults: "We assume you're a caveman. Why don't you watch this person with wide open mouth and eyes do something utterly ridiculous and useless to promote a product? ... or maybe some manipulative conspiracy theories dressed up as educational entertainment that are intended to make you hate and blame the proper minorities?" No ty yt. Stop beeing creepy.
Yeah. Same for me. I can’t let go since the discoverability of peertube is so bad for me.
I dont think ill ever stop youtube. It has an extremely toxic side, the side where content creators are doing it for a job. I don't go there. I watch, and post videos that are purely out of a love of sharing. That is the blessed side of youtube. And Ill berelentless in blocking ads and paying for adblockers if nessecary.
I never used extwitter.
I only use instagram to share my photography with my family, and to chat with my younger cousins.
Never really got into discord.
And Reddit I still sometimes lurk, but only on PC, and rarely comment anymore.
Now lemmy via Jerboa is my best friend.
Ive also had so much more social interaction offline in the last 12 months its been a complete turnaround for me.
If YouTube finally takes away subscriptions then I'm gone from YouTube. I am one of the few people I guess that just logs in every day watches almost all my subs vids and then leaves. None of the algoithmic shenanigans directly effect me and I don't think YouTube stands a chance of winning the adblockers stuff. Other than that it's hard to imagine leaving, even if everyone jumped ship the archive of YouTube alone is so huge.
Came to lemmy with the first exodus of redditors.
Do have mastodon but never use it just like I used to have Twitter and never use it. I might just not understand how people use those services as after I set them up they are just a cluttered feeling version of my rss feeds.
Pixelfed is neat but I haven't used Instagram since it first came out so I don't know how they compare.
I've never liked, subscribed or commented that I know of to a YouTube video but I have learned to fix lots of things. Have not tried peertube.
More people should use pixelfed.
I agree. More people should use fedi apps in general. But same as corpo media employs people for marketing. The fediverse needs open source marketing so to speak. We cant assume it will work on its own.
I jumped ship after the 3rd party app fiasco.
I never used it, so I had no reason to make a switch. I also did make a mastodon account once, but I don't know what happened to it and I can't find it.
I only ever use it for updates for a few games. Also, I can't ditch it because the club I'm in at my community college, the club discord server is how we communicate and there's probably no way I could convince the club to switch since the next year, various members might have gotten their degree or left the club for various reasons.
If my favorite channels switched over to something like Peertube or even some place like Odysee, then I'd definitely switch. Most of the people I watch would never leave and I just don't feel like putting in the effort to find new people to watch since I've been watching some of my favorites for over a decade.
The youtube thing is unfortunately the hard truth imo as well.
But I have good news on discord: matrix has bridges for all messaging apps that you can use to puppeteer your accounts. You only use matrix and talk to all your friends no matter the platform. I‘m only getting into it but its awesome. Some instances like tchncs.de already have bridges for you to use.
Good luck with your journey. :) feel free to hit me up on matrix if you visit. @haui:matrix.giftedmc.com
Never really used Twitter (beyond some retweets to enter giveaways), so no use for Mastodon.
I do have Matrix, but not much happening there for me. Discord is where the people are.
Use Piped (well, LibreTube) instead of going to Youtube directly - it still has the content.
Makes sense. I‘m also using youtube at times since my favorite creators are there but I‘m slowly easing off, always searching on peertube first. :)
You can bridge discord to matrix. That would unify your communications without cutting you off.
Yes for Lemmy and Mastodon. YouTube has too much good content to skip, I feel like sites that can only rely on advertising to be profitable such as video hosting and search are going to be the hardest things to make fair.
I agree. Youtube is very good content wise and peertube still needs work but I dont think ads are the solution. Imo, some kind of small donation would work. Needs more thought though.
A small donation like YouTube premium? I honestly can't blame YouTube too much for their monetization strategies. Hosting video is terribly expensive, so some form of compensation will always be required, whether it's via ads or subscription.
While I agree that some compensation is a good idea, youtubes strategies are nothing but monopolist trash.
Take a large youtuber with 2000 videos. Each one being 20 minutes. That is 1 GB max per video. So 2 tb. With a decent connection we‘re talking 50 bucks for the server per month.
I don’t think you understand how much crap these companies are feeding you.
Anyone here tried Matrix and Discord?
Is Matrix even close to be as good? I want to do the switch, but there's no way I convince any of my friends, if it's not at least a little better at something.
Another alternative is Revolt. It's open source and very similar to Discord, but it's not federated, and thus not part of the fediverse.
Matrix is okay, but not a drop-in replacement for discord. No calling.
They're testing calling now actually. Idk how good it is but I saw the option in settings
Element supports video calling and it has been working great for me.
Ooh, awesome to know!
Thats wrong. Video calls work flawlessly.
I use matrix exclusively since a month ago. Works pretty much the same, not ad polished but you can bridge nearly anything to matrix. Whatsapp, Discord, Telegram, Signal etc. i highly suggest you check it out.
Just to understand bridges:
Is it possible for me if, let's say, I bridged Messenger, WhatsApp and Discord into Matrix, that I could write to anyone from that app only via bridges?
Or how does it work?
Exactly that. One app, all chats.
I’ve been using Matrix for the last few months, via Element which supports some newer feature like video and voice calls, and it’s been great. My only complaint is that their Video Rooms feature is kinda flaky with video, which is weird given that one-on-one video calls are rock-solid. Voice-only in a Video Room is reliable tho. Video Rooms are still an experimental feature that you have to enable in your settings.
I’ve seen a couple of Discord servers that use a Matrix Bridge to sync up Discord chats with Matrix Spaces. The only downside to that is that bridges and bots don’t support E2EE, which if you’re bridging to Discord, isn’t much of a downside anyway.
I've gone full Lemmy and Mastodon. I'm not going to pretend like Peertube is ever going to be a serious contender. None of my friends are on matrix sadly, so will probably be stuck on sms/discord for a long time.
Two things: peertube is not doing illegal stuff which is how youtube got successful so obviously, people are gonna want to do the right thing if anyone is to have a chance against corpo media. Second, there are matrix bridges for (nearly?) all other platforms (discord, whatsapp, telegram, signal, fbmessenger, etc).
Could you recommend any good tutorials for setting up a bridge?
Trying to make one. Will update
Lemmy definitely replaced reddit as my daily driver. The only time I ever visit reddit anymore is for obscure troubleshooting information that is usually old.
I never really got into twitter. The format just doesn't interest me very much, like others have mentioned. Mastodon definitely seems cool though. I created an account just because.
I've been on discord, but I could probably easily switch that to matrix because I don't have that many friends...
I hope that something like peertube will take off, but I'm not really on that one. For now, I've resigned to using alternative frontends (newpipe, freetube, etc.). I'm trying to give odysee a fair chance, but the content just isn't quite there yet for me.
The most extreme things that I want to switch out is google, and microsoft. I'm basically going to have to swap operating systems on my phone, as well as my laptop. That pales in comparison to my vehicle though. Lately the idea has been floating around in my head to downgrade my vehicle to something that was before android auto/ apple carplay. Vehicle manufactures have made it impossible to opt out of anything. I hate this so much.
Can very much relate with all of this.
Especially getting away from microsoft was like going outside after years. Its so much better without them I cant describe it.
I‘ll probably make a peertube video about installing linux mint or something. Its really easy for a noob like i was one not long ago. :)
If you do, could you post a link to it? I'd enjoy watching something like that.
Something else that I think would be nice to see is just some of your everyday typical usecases with mint. Anything you might have run into that gave you trouble, etc.
Sure! Will try! :)
Awesome!
I don't use anything else, except NewPipe for YouTube. Sometimes I use a Revanced YouTube app without an account, I periodically delete its data and start over again, but no Facebook, xitter, etc. Only true exception is WhatsApp.
Very relatable. Whatsapp is very baked into our lives here as well. There is a solution though. Matrix has bridges for most of the IMs out there. You only use matrix and can chat with most others like discord, whatsapp, signal, telegram etc.
Is it hard to setup? Because it sounds too good to be easy. It doesn't matter a lot to me, on the contrary, I'm interested in a a setup that centralizes all of my IM apps, and I'm willing to invest efforts to make it happen.
Great attitude! :)
It’s not hard if you selfhosted something before. I just decided to make a video about this since so many people ask how to do it.
You will need a computer that runs 24/7 though. You could technically run it at home but port forwarding is a security risk so you should be pretty advanced to do that.
I‘d rather you rent a small vps at serverhunter.com for 5-10 bucks a month. Please be aware that you need backups. Otherwise you will be sad.
Will try to edit my post when the vid is done.
With the exception of YouTube, I have left all platforms completely. I would leave YouTube too, if there are good tutorial-style web-dev content creators on PeerTube. Also, PeerTube needs a good app. Also, PeerTube instance search sucks, in my opinion. Haven't tried Sepia Search, maybe that is good.
No, sepia search sucks a lot in my opinion. We need to work on that. But if you have web dev experience, feel free to help with that. :) and you‘re totally correct with the app as well.
I mean, I could, but right now I have decided to not contribute for some time. I hate one-sided contribution and I only want support open-source communities that give back to their devs. This isn't about money. I worked for GitLab as a contributor starting from last September. This was around the same time I graduated, but I did not get any campus placement, and I was confused about what I should be doing, given that there was a bad recession affecting my country. But I did not get anything of value back in return for all the code I wrote - and by return, I mean something like a job referral, mentorship or good connection.
I felt like I got a bunch of corporate gratitude nonsense, who were able to spend less on hiring devs, because they were able to find similar idiots like me, and that did has not helped me from my current situation of joblessness and poor mental health. This is why I stopped working on their code around July. Closed my half-complete MRs and all the assigned issues I had, moved away from the platform gradually at the start of November, because that experience left a bad taste in my mouth.
I‘m not sure if I understand you correctly.
I know there is gitlab.com, the commercial site and then there is the open source gitlab you can self host, right?
Working on the code and being a contributor to big open source projects is quite the thing for your cv. I don’t see how a „normal“ open source project could do anything for you except look great on your cv. Because thats the point. Open source is not someone who has to be thankful to you. It is like working on the church in your small town. People work together on it or donate to make it possible.
The „i only give if i get back“ is kind of the reason we‘re in megacorp dystopian hellscape rn.
Except that it wasn't. Not a single employer looked at this. I've been applying for jobs since the last four year, starting from my second year in college. I've been rejected from international job offers because my identity comes with all the worst stereotypes, including sweatshop programmer and scammer.
I was also rejected locally, because I've graduated from a shitty tier-3 college. I've done my due diligence to highlight whatever open-source projects I've worked for "free" selflessly, without demanding for compensation or fame - I just wanted mentorship or access to opportunities - which I did not receive, but I did not complain, as I thought to myself that my contributions could have given some value.
The only job I was able to procure last October was a shitty internship because I had experience with RoR, which isn't popular anymore in my country. It was a disgusting, dehumanizing experience, where I had no freedom to work on my own project, I was humiliated, treated like an IT sweatshop labor, and there was no concept of work-life balance. Left that job at the end of January.
And I am not asking them to be. Suppose you're a volunteer for a church, or a temple, and your partner is right now in a coma from a serious case of sepsis, and you have lost your Medicare. Are you telling me that the church ghosting, or giving lazy Facebook "prayer" posts, instead of actively doing what they can, in their best interest for their active members acceptable, for all the hours you've put in for selfless contribution?
Maslow's hierarchy of needs has three types of needs, starting from the highest priority to the lowest in it's most generalized format: basic needs (physiological and safety needs), psychological needs (belongingness, love and esteem needs) and self-fulfillment needs. I can't even fulfill the first one, the rest of them are far-fetched ideals. Mega-corp dystopian hellscape is of no concern to me, just like privacy or freedom, when I'm starving to death, have no place to live, and have the total balance to afford only food for a month (by the way, I've not touched my bank account since March), and the only one supporting a family of four people is my illiterate, unskilled tenth-fail old man, who has been working since he was fifteen, and all four members of the family have poor physical and mental health, but can't do anything about that.
Here's my combined GitHub + GitLab contribution by the way. The brighter squares means 20+ contributions per day (33 is the highest I've done). My personal projects are on Codeberg, which I've chosen to not include. Most of my contribution around October-November is empty, because I had a breakdown. I was dedicated starting from my second year, until I lost all my interest around July this year, but I kept going. My contributions involve not just GitLab, but also Ruby gems, database adapters, machine learning libraries, Nix package maintenance, and Svelte ecosystem. Now, I've just had enough.
I can absolutely understand your frustration, I do. But it has to do with a completely different thing.
Being discriminated against for your degree from a school not deemed „worthy“ and employers not caring about your resumes is cruel and unfair but nothing open source can help you with.
Imo, you‘re pursuing this wrong. Its not „pour all your efforts into open source and you‘ll be successful“ but „occasionally help out if you can to bolster your cv“.
What you are describing is a singular focus that can only lead to burnout and breakdown. It’s not your fault you dont fit their criteria but you need to understand that it’s not anyones fault in particular either.
What you can do though is talk to an HR professional to go over your cv with you and help rewrite it so its more straightforward.
I hope this helps.
Haha, yes I know, this entire thread is just an opportunity for you to tell people about Matrix Discord bridges! But I've personally got no use for it yet. And that's ok 😉
Glad someone might be in a position to help with the PT stuff. I can't help with the actual codebase but have been pulling together feature requests and bug reports as well as doing a lot of tech support for new users so we all do our part where we can. Teamwork!
Awesome! And yes, I just told my wife that I might have to make a video tutorial on that bridge thing. Would be easier than typing it out all the time. But alas I get to tell people and we might see even more users in the fediverse.
Feel free to hit me up on matrix btw. I like to connect to other open source folks.
I don't think at the moment fediverse have enough content and facilities for me.
Fair enough. I am too unhappy with large corps to go that route but I can see how the fediverse would not suit everyone.
Perfectly reasonable. You really don't need to know anything about matrix except its the better version of discord, whatsapp, telegram, imessage, fb-messenger, signal, etc. It also can have puppeting for the other services. So you use matrix and can talk to your whatsapp friends if you like. The best clients I've used so far are element.io and fluffychat. Check them out if you want.
Peertube is a great thing and has some decent content. You need to be very particular with your search terms on sepiasearch.com though since the discoverability lacks still.
Yeah I just tried to look for one video but found nothing 😅
How would I set it up?
Yes, thats peertube atm. Check sepiasearch.org and sort by newest. That helped me.
I‘d try it first. You can use matrix.org as a starting point. Its the biggest matrix server and from the foundation that made the protocoll.
If you want to selfhost you need a server that is available on the web (vps or port forward). You then put synapse on it (i did it in docker) and the bridges you want. Once you get the hang its easy.
There are many detailed explanations. If you need a video explanation, I can make one.
Good luck.
Why is matrix better than discord?
I'd love to use matrix more but unfortunately it's really hard to convince other people to use it.
Then just bridge it. Feel free to hit me up too. @haui:matrix.giftedmc.com
Yes
Yes
Should say XMPP, the IETF internet standard for IM. Matrix is a venture capital sham not compatible with existing standards.
No, there is a huge content gap.
Please elaborate! I‘ve heard people say matrix is problematic and xmpp is better but thats it. Please help me (and others understand).
The whole point of XMPP or Matrix is to provide interoperability between IM services. For interoperability to exist, we must agree on standards. Matrix is not a standard, but essentially a product controlled entirely by NewVector, a venture capital funded start-up.
They are not profitable and increasingly desperate to make money. Recently they forked Element and Synapse and make contributors sign a CLA which enables them to change their software to a non-free license in the future for monetization: https://drewdevault.com/2018/10/05/Dont-sign-a-CLA.html
You might say "But they made a non-profit foundation for Matrix" which is kind of true, but not really. The "core spec team" is all people working for NewVector except a single guy. Go checkout their linked GitHub profiles.
The whole Matrix thing should build on the existing XMPP internet standard. Instead we got yet another incompatible IM protocol, effectively controlled by a single corporation and more fragmentation. Bridges don't help as they break almost all features, most regrettably end-to-end encryption. We really need proper internet standards for interoperability.
XMPP is also more lightweight and has proper native clients for all platforms instead of Electron apps. On the server side the difference is even more severe.
This indeed reads pretty brutal. Thank you for pointing this out. I might look for alternatives in the future.
Can very much relate. I also moved due to the api debacle. But I kept on reddit a bit longer since I am head mod in a subreddit which I‘m not abandoning. Slowly easing off. Otherwise reddit is dead to me.
You can bridge nearly all other services to matrix. That way youre not dependent on others switching for you.
I suggest you try out peertube. Its a little rough but its gonna get there.
Dropped reddit, stick to lemmy.
Still on Twitter, primarily doomscrolling Ukraine news
No reason to leave discord for me. I use it for a few groups of friends and also hobby forum chat.
Stopped using YouTube directly, switched to using freetube. Haven't checked out peertube but hear the content is lacking
Thanks for the detailed answer! :) I have discovered a matrix bridge that can puppet my account which is pretty cool. Need to find out how to use it properly though. I moved to matrix and its great so far.
Peertube is a bit of an odd one. It has good content but i hate the discoverability. I just opened an issue with the creators. Let's see if that helps. So find peertube content, use sepiasearch.org.
I'm in Lemmy and Mastodon. I left Twitter for good about a week after the Tesla guy acquired it and made his first flex on the app. I don't even remember what it was, but I didn't want to be a part of his toy, and all he has done is prove me right over and over. I left Reddit within a couple days of the announcement that mobile app developers were getting screwed, and I'd essentially have to switch to the native app to use a full-featured Reddit. It seemed like a crappy thing to do since developers like LJ Dawson (Sync), the Relay person, etc are who really built Reddit since Reddit was slow to get into apps.
I use Discord but only because it's what's required for a gaming guild, and my dynasty fantasy baseball league uses it too. I have no interest in using it outside of that.
I've never really used Youtube, so I haven't checked out Peertube. Likewise, I never really used Insta, so I haven't looked that closely at Pixelfed. I'm considering Pixelfed since I'm a hobby photographer, but I share my pics on my personal website (I don't care who sees them tbh, it's fun for me) and on my FB. I can't seem to shed FB with so many people I know using that to stay in touch and schedule events, and the Marketplace is leagues better than Craigslist.
Can relate. Thats quite the story.
But facebook, of all things? Its like not eating chocolate because its bad for your health but getting your occasional heroin fix. No offense.
Still, its your decision and i wont judge since I don’t know your friends and peers and dont know if you‘d be able to convince them to move away from corpo claws.
A bit meta, but Is there a unified article anyone can point me to that discusses all the different fediverse video options (IIRC peertube is not the only one) with a overview of how their usage differs from youtube?
I've found peertube to be interesting ever since it was new, but have had very little luck finding anything I wanted on it when I've tried using it.
Yes, same problem here. Peertube is not really there yet but I sadly have no knowledge of peertube alternatives so far. One is crypto which I find kinda useless. Other than that no idea.
I've done all except leaving discord, but that's because I'm the owner of some servers. and I don't want to abandon friends.
that and I'm not entirely sure how matrix actually works. I am a newb with a fairly smooth brain.
but I only use fediverse now. lemmy, mastodon and I've swapped to peertube for my TV and newpipe for my mobile app.
This was step 1 for me, and it happened at the first rumbling of Musk taking over, though I don't use Mastodon.
This was step 2. I was using reddit and lemmy side by side, though mostly ignoring reddit, until the API change came through. I deleted my reddit account then and haven't looked back.
I did this a few months ago.
I don't really use either...
Did you do the data export from your reddit account? So you'd have all your comments and saved stuff on your PC?
Youtube is the hardest. Rest are fine.
I agree.
Twitch will probably be even harder.
Wasn't on the list but yes video is gonna be the hardest.
I don't use the latter three, and I'm 90% of the way here from reddit. Don't have a Fed alternative to my RSS aggregator, so that's staying for now.
What really intrigues me is replacing my current music library cloud service with Funkwhale, but I haven't had time to explore that possibility yet.
Switching my photo library hosting to a FOSS option is a longer-term goal.
Havent checked funkwhale yet but I probably will. I‘m using nextcloud to host my icloud stuff. Works great so far.
I left years ago, before it was cool.
Awesome! Can you share some pro tipps then? :)
Step one, delete them all. Step two, drink your coffee to the sound of birds chirping.
You mean except lemmy I guess?
I still use Reddit, mostly for the memes, but generally, rarely, like once every few days, while I visit Lemmy daily (a few times a day). The 2nd and 3rd I don't use at all, the fourth, no. Mainly because I have to go out of my way just to share a video, and that kinda annoys me.
What's the issue with sharing from PT?
(Not arguing with you, this is a genuine question, trying to understand how people are mostly using it)
Well, I have the YT app and ReVanced on this phone, don't know if there is a pipe version of the app. If there is, I'd gladly use it instead of ReVanced.
Thanks for replying. :)
Closed down Twitter in 2016. Left reddit as soon as NSFW was blocked. Use Grayjay for YouTube (not sure if that counts).
Sure it counts. Have you checked peertube yet?
Haven't heard of it. I'll give it a quick search.
Edit: sounds interesting, I'll give it a try. Any tips?
Be patient, use sepiasearch.org and sort by newest. Be particular in your search term (no algorith).
I only enter to reddit to check information I can't find in other places or because of communities there. I mostly enter for KDE reports and Stellaris lol
I have a Twitter account because my friend are there and they've abandoned Facebook almost completely, but I enter one in a month or so. I've been using Mastodon daily because I found a lot of people that also have my interests and hobbies, even in my language.
I only enter to Discord for casual gaming with friends, like one or two times a month.
And I've been trying to use PeerTube more, but a lot of content creators I like are still on YouTube, and PeerTube doesn't have an official app yet. I'm currently using Piped and NewPipe for watching videos (I use the YT app only when I want to support some creators).
Can totally relate. Not having an app sucks a lot on peertube.
At least I heard that Framasoft is working in an official app :D
Thatd be awesome!
Never used xshitter or discord. Now using lemmy and Mastodon. Still using youtube (through newpipe).
Good idea. Maybe check peertube through sepiasearch.org but be specific with your search terms.
i'm almost full fedi, even left instagram. it's just discord and youtube that are gonna be hardest to replace for me. been looking at peertube for uploading video game streams but the upload limit...
Good for you! :) I completely left discord, especially since matrix has bridges for it. You can puppet your discord account through matrix.
Youtube is hard for me as well. Peertube does not always have an upload limit I think. Either make or find an instance without it. Might need to pay a bit because space aint for free. I don’t appreciate the discoverability and lack of an app atm. Not good enough of a coder to poop one out though. Must he possible to wrap a firefox or chrome instance in window, right?
good to know, i'll have to check it out
Always happy to help. Feel free to hit me up on matrix. @haui:matrix.giftedmc.com
Sounds great! Congrats! :)
No, I havent:
Peertube does have good content but the usability needs to improve. I raised the issue with framasoft. May try to contribute. :)
This is basically my response as well.
i probably can't go full fedi unless if YouTube stops being a monopoly then i maybe can
Only way against monopolies has always been legislature and thats notoriously slow.
What everyone can do is try something new (like peertube) every now and then. It definitely still needs work though.
1: I'm running a kbin instance so. Yeah, think I've covered that.
2: Never had a twitter account. I used to check news from some companies that announce stuff there. But you can't even do that without an account now, so I don't visit them aside from if people send me direct links to stuff.
3: Yes and no. I'm using both, mainly because I don't control where everyone else goes.
4: I did (well still do) have a peertube instance up, I've just not moved it to the new server yet and not decided if I will. The problem is, storage. For threadiverse (kbin in my case) the space used is easily containable, the media goes onto S3 and I can surf the best combination of speed/price for that and the DB actually grows at a pretty controllable rate. But peertube takes a LOT of space quickly. I suspect it's a bit harder to have the kind of freedom to post long videos, also livestreaming. I tried 1440p and the server (which is decently specced) couldn't keep up. So, this might be a failed experiment for me I think.
Can relate to 4. the space required is hefty if you dont only host your own videos (which is what I do). I‘m considering making paid peertube accounts available so that people can host at my space but dont get greedy with my space.
Yes, ultimately it's the way peertube will likely be if we want reliable servers that stick around. Paid for accounts for those that want to upload. The way I figured it was both a server with 1-2TB of space on a server and/or 1-2TB of S3 space is the kind of money I can forget about. But much more than that, and I can't afford to be hosting other people's stuff like that for free.
Exactly! You sound like someone I‘d work with. Feel free to hit me up on matrix or something.
I'm slowly migrating to Lemmy/Kbin.
The mods of Reddit are just power abusing shitheads. The same communities will eventually come to the fediverse.
Some definitely are. Good that you’re here.
Yea I'm looking forward to being on Lemmy. MySpace went down due to Facebook growing. I think we accomplish the same thing and the fediverse thing too.
Sounds like something I can live with. :)
PS - If someone wants to get into watching PeerTube, TILVids.com is a great start.
I just followed their instance. Seems pretty cool to me.
Their Matrix channel is also bery active. New uploaders submit their content there for approval of the community.
Wow! Thats interesting! Might check it some time.
Most of them! I'm struggling to understand peertube but maybe I'll get it eventually. In the meantime I'm still on YouTube but I've fediversed all the others 🎉
Thats awesome! Peertube is an odd one but has character. The biggest issue imo is that you cant sort on sepiasearch.org with likes, views and comments.
Yeah I don't even know what that means 🤣 I'm really slow to understand something new technologically speaking, but once I've got it I feel confident. I'm totally comfortable with Lemmy and Bookwyrm now for example!
I have a hard time explaining things simple.
Sepiasearch.org is the search engine for all federated peertube instances. Use it to find content.
But please try different filters and sorting schemes (buttons) since there is no algorithm so it doesnt know what you like. It shows videos that have your search term in the title or description.
I realize I'm a bit strange when it comes to social media, but have never signed up for twitter, discord, youtube, facebook, instagram, or anything else like that. I had a reddit account, but bailed as soon as I heard about kbin. So yeah, I gues that makes me a full fedi.
Same, I've watched everything from MySpace to Twitter come and go without ever participating. I would browse reddit and did comment on the small subs for my hobbies in the early days.
I feel like the internet is collapsing, in 2-5 years things are going to be so different. I'm here to shit post and cry until it ends. It's was fun while it lasted.
I suppose it does. Congrats to not giving in to megacorp stuff. :)
to be fair, kinda helps that I was an adult and not in the US before most of those services even became a thing ;)
Yes, that probably changes a lot.
Instead of going fedi I'm going minimal.
Reddit -> Lemmy, with the caveat that time spent on here is minimal, to be reviewed at a later date.
xitter -> nothing, nitter.net if I want to read a xeet linked by another resource. Ultimately for me micro blogging social media is a time suck with little return.
discord -> still on it for a few different reasons, not sure if I'll set up matrix just to do a bridge, privacy and minimalism are clashing here.
YouTube -> nothing, invidious if I want to watch yt content. Short or low quality video content is another time suck, try and keep video streaming to a minimum for environmental and mental health reasons.
Netflix and others -> the high seas (it is decentralised)
The high seas definitely are a legit strategy in my book.
The discord bridge of matrix is insanely good and I dont see a problem with using discord or just bridging to it. In opposition i think bridging is a lot safer since you‘re not running the site in your browser but in a containerized app which otherwise has no cookies etc.
Already using libre wolf with containers so not sure how much of a benefit I'd get from moving to an app.
Again back to minimalism I'd rather move away from it completely than have to have a another service to continue using discord. Could change if I start using matrix.
You do you. I‘m speaking from the pov that you need at least one way of communicating with friends and peers. Thats what I use matrix for. Lemmy is a forum for me and thats basically it.
I've got too many atm, fb messenger, insta, discord, signal, SMS.
Signal is what I'm trying to push, not sure if it counts as decentralised 🤷
Looking to consolidate rather than tack on another that I don't think anyone I know uses.
Tbf signal is pretty good. Since I‘ve had someone else mention signal in this thread before I‘ve just spent an hour reading. Here‘s what I‘ve found:
the signal protocol and app
The signal protocol is rather secure and anonymous, trying to achieve zero knowledge situations with the server owners. Your contact list can apparently be reconstructed by following the messages, not sure how that works. Just found this in a reddit thread
xmpp (omemo)
The protocol used by whatsapp. Is also very secure, some vulnerabilities have been noted and some concerns with the ability to break the encryption. Not sure how that would work either but I‘ve read that a couple times now.
the matrix protocol
Matrix is notably more focused on stability and has more decentralization capabilities (apparently easier horizontal scaling since your chats are saved on ever server your chat members are on) therefore less failure likelihood.
summary
All the protocols are vulnerable to some attacks and none has a significant advantage. The xmpp foundation has apparently been influenced by google at some point and the matrix foundation has thinly veiled corporate ties which may or may not become a problem. All in all, it’s probably not important which messenger you promote, I have to say the interoperability of matrix through web api bridges has been noted by multiple sources.
Have a good one. :)
Still using Discord and YouTube fully and reading some things on Reddit and Twitter. Not posting ob the latter two anymore though.
Sounds like a discord bridge with puppeting would be cool for you. :) you can use a matrix server that can also post to your discord contacts. Pretty awesome.
I think as things scale people may start to appreciate just how hard it is to moderate content to a useful degree. Not too much. Not too little. (I'm not suggesting that any of the main sites has really gotten it right, but when it's gone (at scale) things go bad fast (RIP Twitter).
I hope for better interoperability between platform (fedi) but it's likely a pipe dream.
All relatable and sane answers imo. :)
Two things:
matrix is a protocol for messaging. People use it as replacement for discord, whatsapp, signal. Self hostable, your data stays in one place and you can bridge nearly every other app to it. So instead of 5 IM apps you have one (element or fluffychat if I have to guess).
the fediverse and interoperability are great. Its the UI that needs work in most cases as it is very early. Beta stages at best. Something a user would never see usually. Keep that in mind.
Sounds very healthy.
One thing about matrix: it has bridges to most all of the common services (discord, whatsapp, etc) so you can manage all from one account (which is nice) and have a strong argument for your friends. Good hunting! :)
I've migrated to almost all foss services. I'm only sharing from non free services if i can't avoid. I'm using this username in each and every services
1,2,3 yes
Its hard to avoid youtube as most of my favourite youtubers wont migrate or even they don't know about foss platforms. They want their ad revenue. Its hard to convience them and hard for them to move
My Fediverse accounts:
Mastodon not Twitter Lemmy not Reddit Friendica not Facebook Peertube not Youtube: Funkwhale not spotify: Bookwyrm not Goodreads Writefreely not blogger:
Lichess not chess.com: Matrix not discord: https://matrix.to/#/@covert_czar:matrix.org
I'm also on pixelfed (not instagram)
Sure i do use proprietory softwares and nonfree services. I do consider them as useful as foss softwares. I just explored most of the fedi universe doesn't mean i hate non-free services.
I'm more active on mastodon, pixelfed, lemmy, matrix and lichess
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/4205915 And finally A meme i made about fediverse😂 Edit: deleted all personal links
Basically everything except discord. I don't use Twitter or anything like that so mastodon isn't my thing
Ah! The sharkfucker again! We two should link on matrix since we always bump into one another. :) seems like we frequent similar communities. Feel free to add me @haui:matrix.giftedmc.com
And you could use a discord bridge as well. It takes over your discord account and poses as you and you can have all your chats as matrix rooms and places. Pretty insane. I learned that this week.
Have a good one!
Not the shark fucker but could you send me the guide on how to do this? I would love to set this up. Also does it work for multiple accounts?
No worries. I will send you the link. It's actually surprisingly easy. You either need a matrix instance yourself or ask a matrix instance to install "mautrix-discord" https://github.com/mautrix/discord for you. You can then log in with your discord account and tadaa, done. It's easy as pie. Tchncs.de does this afaik.
If you want to self host, you need to set up a whole matrix installation first. You need a publicly available computer to set this up and pull a docker image of synapse and mautrix discord. The configuration is very advanced stuff so if you have done stuff like this before, you'll figure it out but if not, maybe ask your instance to do it for you.
Tis I, the sharkfucker
Currently I use vendetta for discord which is an open source discord client and while I'm pretty happy with it I suppose it could be better at times.
What are the merits of matrix? What is it exactly? Is there a mobile apk? How do I go about this?
It is a protocol. Element or fluffychat are two clients.
The main benefit is you can host it yourself. Fully encrypted, stored on a server you either own or know the owner/location of.
No ads, nitro or otherwise.
You can bridge discord and nearly all other messaging apps like whatsapp, signal, fb messenger etc
Its pretty huge imo.
1-2 yes
3-4 no (or at least, not yet)
Has it been a perfect migration? No.
There are a ton of quirks that need to be worked out, but I'm still betting on the Fediverse because of its openness and philosophy.
I can relate. The constant amount of bugs is what makes using unpolished stuff a challenge. But it’s kind of the same thing if you‘re living in a democracy. Being in an authoritarian regime allows for more streamlined visuals (dubai) but also leads to ethnic cleansing and other transgressions.
1 - 3.
I’m still on YouTube.
Relatable. I also visit youtube often. Peertube still needs work but I‘m optimistic.
I have. I still use the other ones occasionally for specific topics that don't get much attention in the fediverse yet (e.g. ufos -- I know, I know...), but overall, my main platforms are the fediverse, not the corporate ones.
Congrats! I‘m trying my best to stay off of corpo media but a lot of kinks still need ironing out. Trying to help get peertube to a point where it competes better (since I feel like its very close).
Yes for all except youtube. I use frontends there. LBRY when feasible and there's not a lot of content creators on PeerTube at least we got "The Linux Experiment". PeerTube needs a monetization model imo (benefiting content creators and instance hosters). I wouldn't mind paying a low fee for watching content for instance.
What we need is more people discussing peertube and things like monetization. It has promise (and there are creators on there) but the discoverability sucks. You‘re correct, it needs a lot of work.
I have been for years and haven't regretted it. Run my own micro-blog with go to social, tilvids is an excellent peertube, beehaw for lemmy, and matrix is the only option when talking to family imo.
Sounds awesome! Tilvids is something i recently found. They seem to be pretty good.
What? How far am I what?
Totally relatable. Very curious for the day peertubes discoverability gets better though.
Yes, yes, don't use, always have avoided anyway. I also touch grass more often, which is nice
I don't really use any other save for following a bunch of Misskey accounts with my Mastodon. However, I was thinking on creating a federated game launcher/gaming-focused social network similar to Steam. Some parts of it would use ActivityPub (especially public stuff like achievements), others XMPP or something similar. Issues are the question of a copy protection system, and an anti-cheat system. Banning pirated copies of the game from official networks is probably easy even with open source tools, and likely not so controversial. Anything more than that would require more complicated setups, such as a lot of proprietary stuff, not to mention are very controversial, especially with gamers. Anti-cheat systems are also a though issue, likely being the responsibility of the developer, and also there' a lot of controversy with them with kernel-level anti-cheat systems.
Sounds awesome! I would instantly sign up for a federated steam! let me know if you go forward. Would even donate.
On the other hand: youtube is evil. Maybe help framasoft with peertube if you're a dev anyway? Their idea is great. the discoverability is trash though.
If you check matrix, feel free to add me @haui:matrix.giftedmc.com
Shit, man, if I went full fedi, I'd have even less to contribute than I already do. We've gotta have some external sources of news and knowledge.
I have traded reddit for lemmy and just closed my Meta and Xitter accounts and I'm already feeling a disconnect from society. I've been subscribing to new youtube channels and setting up RSS feeds to make up for the lack of connection to current events.
Damn. Relatable though.
Remember that you can bridge matrix with discord, whatsapp, telegram, signal and others to unify your communication on IM/Chat
Otherwise, you could try mastodon. Its cool if you liked old twitter. I do kinda but lemmy is more my cup of tea. Also, feel free to contribute. We need people who bring relevant news to non corpo land.
Yes, thank you. I saw you mention bridging matrix to other services in another comment. I'm definitely intrigued and will investigate that. As for Mastodon, I've been wanting to find the time to spin up my own server for that one. I'll definitely be getting deeper into the fediverse, but I also need outside sources of news, preferably not curated by antagonistic algorithms like Facebook.
News is kind of important, depending on your neurologic configuration. I must limit my news input as to not panic (world stands in flames and such). There are a ton of news sources on mastodon if you are willing to check for them.
On another note: i like to look at allsides.com (i think?) if I want to see balanced news. Otherwise I mostly get updates from lemmy memes. :D
Haven't used discord in forever. No thanks.
I like the double-entendre in peertube though.
Relatable. What is a double entendre?
Uninstalled X, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit apps; installed Boost for Lemmy, Mastodon. Would be cool to try Matrix instead of Discord if the experience is the same. But my friends wouldn't switch based on ideology. 😑
Two things: the experience wont be the exact same because matrix is not a discord clone. It will be a mix of whatsapp, discord, fb messenger and imessage because its a drop in replacement for all of those.
Your friends dont need to switch. You can bridge all these services to matrix and have it all in one app. Thats the fun.
@haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com
Youtube: I don't spend a lot of time watching videos, but when I do it's still usually on Youtube, as I can't find what I like anywhere else. I don't expect to be able to completely ditch this one unless the cost of hosting videos goes down a lot.
Facebook: It's been a few months since I used this one. The only thing I use it for is to send someone a message if I don't have any contact information aside from their name, which is something the fediverse can't currently replicate. It's slowly becoming less relevant as fewer and fewer people in my cohort are active on Facebook.
Twitter: I used this one for less than a year in 2021, and deleted my account in 2022.
Instagram: I made an account on this one a few years ago but never made posts with it, and evetually deleted my account. I don't use #Pixelfed , because I can post pictures from #Sharkey so I don't see a reason to make another account.
Reddit: I deleted my account recently. I haven't made a #Lemmy or #KBin account though obviously I can still interact with them from #Sharkey.
Discord: This is the proprietary social network I use the most. There are a lot of communities that don't seem to have alternatives elsewhere. I am hopeful for the future of #Matrix , but it still feels like a beta, and I can't recommend it to people without technical skills.
Tiktok: I haven't used this in a few years, but I haven't deleted my account either.
Pinterest: I haven't used this in a few years, but I haven't deleted my account either. I'm also not sure what the fediverse alternative is.
Zoom: I have to use this for work. I'm hopeful matrix video calls will eventually be a viable replacement.
Fandom: I have stopped making constructive edits, but I kept my account in case I can use it to vandalize wikis or help them leave Fandom. There is no fediverse alternative I'm aware of: just a bunch of self-hosted wikis that can't interact with each other.
Didn't use twitter or discord much at all. Switched to lemmy from reddit entirely no pain. Still use Youtube.
However my access and consumption to anything on twitter, a discord channel, or Youtube is probably through Lemmy to begin with.
I‘m really happy that there are bots now that post youtube alternative links like piped. I would love to have something similar happen with peertube at some point. „This channel is on peertube, go a nd watch it there“.
I haven't logged into my Reddit account since June.
I never used Twitter, so that wasn't an issue for me.
I just stopped using Discord, if I need to message someone on the internet I suggest Matrix but I almost never use it.
I mostly use Odysee and Nebula to watch videos, if I need to use YouTube I use alternative front-ends like Piped or LibreTube. I tried PeerTube, but there's just not enough content that I would want to watch.
Yeah, that sounds very reasonable. Peertubes discovery is just not good imo.
It's not just the discovery, there's just not enough quality content.
How would you know if you physically cant discover it?
I mean, yeah, that's true. But I haven't heard of many big YouTube/Odysee creators uploading their videos on PeerTube or even entirely switching to PeerTube.
Which is an entirely different issue, right?
Discoverability is key for any youtuber trying to switch. Essentially, right now would be a goog time to build a channel with a couple dozen videos and if (or when) the discoverability changes, you're going viral overnight. It's also a very minor issue. On youtube, people "think" a topic and get it presented due to very native search and the algorithm which mimics and influences their thoughts. Peertube and other fediverse apps dont like algorithms for obvious reasons so a native search it is. I'm trying to raise that issue with the makers rn. Let's see what happens. :)
@haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com
Understandable. Though peertube is a cool platform if you are lucky with searching. Something I hope they will fix soon. I might help with that if I can understand what their search engine does.
Only the ones that have achieved full feature parity.
And which ones are those in your opinion?
I am yet to find one that for anything I actually use.
If I would want to make a full time switch there’s need to be a user base large enough to support niche interests without seeing a sad little 2 subscribers in 4 versions of the same thing all on a different instance. None active.
Don’t get me wrong, I use them. But it’s not exclusive.
But those are many different statements. Feature parity Exclusivity Activity Large userbase
Feature parity is impossible to achieve while staying away from corpo cash, this has nothing to do with activity and that has nothing to do with userbase. Lastly, exclusivity is your decision and nothing else. I‘m fine (and so are about 50 others in this thread) with leaving reddit behind for example.
The issue here is that you treat community projects like multi billion dollar businesses. Thats very ignorant to say the least.