No matter their reputation, every furry I've ever met has been a decent person.
My daughter likes to point out that the kids in her old school hated furries but loved the sports mascot guy in a fursuit.
there are definitely some shitty ones, but in general, the community fosters good people, and good interactions, it's supposed to be an escapism after all.
Yeah the furry con near were I used to work ended up developing their own police because of how many local businesses were banning them for disruptive behavior, hygiene, and public displays of sexual behavior.
yeah that sounds about right.
That sounds like pretty much any fandom con. Or at least any before the big ones got totally corporate.
Sure, there are assholes in any group. That just means furries are people.
Spoiler alert!
yup!
One of the characteristics of autism is rigid morals even when the morals will present a negative outcome for the one who holds those morals.
Who are you even suggesting has autism here??
Exactly, the autism/furry overlap is not small.
Not necessarily.
Despite the downvotes, this is true. You could also say, however, that it is an unneccesarily negative way to frame it, when you could also say that autistic people tend to be more consistent in their beliefs even at the cost of personal gain (of which mankind as a whole should learn a bit imo)
I think it's gone over everyone's head that I'm a furry from the furry instance The implication being that I'm also on the spectrum. This is based on my own experience and antidotes my first hand assessment of the furry fan base is that it's full of people that possess a higher than average set of autistic traits. Like half of us are in stem Fields.
I'm relatively sure anyone in frequent contact with members of the furry community can probably provide anecdotal evidence of autistic trait correlation, myself included.
I'm sorry you got the negative reaction for the previous post, but I'm glad someone else backed up the claim of rigid moral values. It's an interesting link that seems to resonate with me.
We also are more immune than the normies to propaganda. Probably because we don't give a flying Fuck about what other people's opinions are. Case in point my post history
I'm not equating furries to pedophiles here, as I have absolutely no problems with them what so ever...
But this is the equivalent of saying people hate pedophiles, but love children. It's pretty obvious that the sexualization is the difference.
What point are you trying to make?
As I said in another post, I was under the incorrect impression that it was primarily/exclusively a sexual fetish.
I still stand by my point because according to wikipedia it seems like sexualization is, at least, a major subculture within it, if not an outright majority.
To be clear about my point, two consenting adults can do whatever they want with each other as far as I'm concerned, and if they aren't hurting anyone, they are alright with me. But the reason people are weird about furries and not a mascot is the sexualization attached to furries, whether justified or not, while anthropomorphized animal mascots are not about sexualizing anything.
Bro is onto fucking nothing with this one, like what are you even saying with this
i mean yeah, i would hope most people loved children, otherwise the entirety of the human race would be fucking extinct.
"I'm not implying that taco eaters are responsible for the pandemic, mind you...
But there was always a line around the block at Taco Bell in the early days of the pandemic."
The moment you say "I'm not equating benign X with problematic Y", you immediately put the idea in people's head that X and Y have a strong correlation which serves to further skepticism and judgment of benign X.
If I didn't do that, I would inevitably be accused of equating them. So I explicitly pointed out that I'm noy equating them. If people interpret that there is a strong correlation between the two, despite what I explicitly said, then that's on them. If I hadn't made it clear, then that would be on me.
Or, and this is just a thought, you just say nothing. That's an option, too.
Sure, just like you could have here. But, hypocritically, did not.
Just in case I get you right. I think you are confusing being a Furry with practising sodomy. As a Furry I can assure you, that this accounts for a very small subgroup that - at least I - tend to avoid. Sex is nice as long as everyone consents and is mentally able to consent.
If I got you wrong please clarify what you meant. I don't want to accuse you of anything ^-^
I think you are confusing being a Furry with practising sodomy.
Nah, I was under the incorrect impression that it was primarily/exclusively a sexual fetish. I still stand by my point because according to wikipedia it seems like sexualization is, at least, a major subculture within it, if not an outright majority.
I do see your point (I think). On the other hand yiff has a wide range from humans with animal features (catgirls, cowgirls, ...) up to the more hardcore furry porn. I for example would also say that I have "a minor sexual interest" but that interest does not include the real hardcore stuff.
And with Furry content showing strongly humanified animals it is arguable how bad/harmful said fetish is. But I have to admit that I have too found myself questioning if a bit of yiff I had just seen was a bit too much, but where to draw the line is ultimately highly subjective.
I still wouldn't compare them to people that sexualize underage (anime) kids just from the matter of fact that kids exist irl whilst humanified beasts are just a product of imagination.
This is not a fetish that I think is bad at all. Seems completely harmless to me, assuming it's all consenting adults.
I'm just pointing out that this is why I believe people view furries differently than mascots.
I'm still waiting for the cat girls...
Edit: For whoever is downvoting me, this is literally the same group that hacked a nuclear research lab last year. Their demand was that they begin serious research into the creation of real life catgirls.
I didn't downvote you, but the context is appreciated because I didn't know why you said that.
My bad! I'm honestly surprised they didn't mention it in the article! It's journalistic gold!
I mean, fair enough
AND THE RESEARCH?!
That sounds like an interesting line of study, do you have and further insight on progress?
Lemmy has gotten a lot less civil recently, people just downvoting for no reason and calling each other shit they wouldn't dare say to a living person in front of them
I wouldnt call a few downvotes 'less civil'. Without the edit, the parent comment looked like a weird non sequitur. With the comment there was more context and now it has a lot of upvotes.
Totally why I clarified. I realized people probably had no idea what I was talking about. I figured more people would get the reference, but was obviously wrong. Not anyone's fault there but mine!
Couldn't not share it with people though. Such a crazy piece of news...
I mean, downvotes are supposed to be for irrelevant comments. Anyone who missed the reference would easily assume it to be irrelevant.
I think it's amusing how there are several people ITT that think the way people use upvotes and downvotes changed all because some amorphous entity tied to Lemmy said so.
They are absolutely "I agree with this" and "I disagree with this" buttons, Hexbear should have definitively proven that to all of you.
Just because people stick cotton swabs in their ears doesn't mean that they're supposed to be used for that.
Oh, I see, so you must pronounce GIFs as 'JIFs' then?
You really shouldn't stick cotton swabs inside your ear holes. They're not even that great at cleaning them out.
Imagine pronouncing gif as jif
It's literally gift without the t though
You're right, and people use q-tips to clean their ears.
What the creator intends does not matter, at all.
But being fit for use does matter though.
Cotton swabs pick up portions of ear wax, so it might make you feel happy, but they often push wax deeper which can lead to impacting.
Upvote/downvote based solely on agree/disagree may make you feel good for getting a little colour to match your opinion, but it doesn't result in good conversation or better content on Lemmy.
the irony of this comment being downvoted is not lost.
Or maybe it is, idk if i can find it.
people just downvoting for no reason
Not what they're for. The downvote is not a "I disagree with this comment" button, It is a measure of how relevant to the discussion a comment is.
In this case your comment about how everyone is bad and evil and everything is actually not at all relevant to anything in this discussion
I think it's amusing how there are several people ITT that think the way people use upvotes and downvotes changed all because some amorphous entity tied to Lemmy said so.
They are absolutely "I agree with this" and "I disagree with this" buttons, Hexbear should have definitively proven that to all of you.
Among highly skilled hackers, I wonder what percentage are either on the spectrum, furry, or LGBTQ (or some combination thereof). It's got to be at least 50%. Anyway, great work here!
Not sure about hackers but it's kind of a meme among software developers that senior devs are more likely to be trans, furry or both.
There's jokes about a picture of furries on a plane, that if it goes down, the entirety of internet infrastructure would collapse
Furcons need designated survivor protocols
Is there an r/NoContext equivalent for lemmy? I feel like this belongs there. BrandNewSentence as well.
You can create one.
The worst part is that Don McLean may not be around to write a kick ass song about it should it happen.
Edit: Do a couple of you not know what the song American Pie is about?
Earlier this year, SiegedSec claimed to have hacked the River Valley Church of Burnsville, Minnesota — and to have spent $6,200 in church funds to purchase 100 inflatable sea lions
I would have forced them to spend $100 on as many shelters and food kitchens that they could find, and then see if River Valley would try to do a charge back on each one.
[last lines]
TV Anchorman: In a surprise announcement, the Republican National Committee has revealed it is bankrupt. A spokesman for the party said they had plenty of money in their accounts last week, but today they just don't know where the money has gone. But not everybody is going begging. Amnesty International, Greenpeace and the United Negro College Fund announced record earnings this week, due mostly to large, anonymous donations.
Sneakers
Clever
Still beats me how they manage to use the keyboard with those big fluffy paws...
They lay on your lap whilst they dictate their mischievous code.
touches your bulge - "is that keyboard for me" #>~<#
Sigh, I will see myself out as I cringed myself out with that one and it was funnier to me than it probably is.
I’m not gonna lie the second part made it so much funnier to me
bark-to-text, of course!
I will never get tired of seeing headlines that start with “Gay furry hackers” because if the Venn diagram is that intersectional, it’s schaudenfreude story time with spicy drops! 🍿
Earlier this year, SiegedSec claimed to have hacked the River Valley Church of Burnsville, Minnesota — and to have spent $6,200 in church funds to purchase 100 inflatable sea lions — after its lead pastor, Rob Ketterling, allegedly made transphobic remarks. In the past, Ketterling said the legalization of gay marriage would lead to the legalization of pedophilia, polygamy, and bestiality.
That's pretty awesome.
In the same fashion that elves were like the best blacksmiths in middle earth, I love how furries specifically tend to be very high in the "computer power" scale
[Curses in Dwarvish]
As you take the limit of computer power to infinity, the overlap approaches a circle.
brand new sentences...
Surprisingly this is not the first time I have seen a sentence like this.
I'm pretty sure I've seen this one before, actually.
okay so sometimes living in a half passed shadow run 6e campaign run by severely concussed Kurt Vonnegut as he dies of dysentery is pretty fun.
even in that condition; man can still write. apparently.
You know what, good for them. I dont care. Fuck *phobes
Fuck you too.
Sincerely, a Arachnophobe
Unlike the other two people, I suffer from a phobia of not being fucked, so I appreciate it.
"claim to have stolen 6200 dollars and spent it on 100 inflatable sea lions"
Honestly, i'm not even sure this is a crime. Can you imagine being a juror in court for this shit?
It doesn't have to be a crime to piss off the congregation that donated that money
Jesus needed those sea lions. The congregation should be happy.
they're for the new ark
no but it's still funny as fuck and i dont think i would even be upset if i donated the money myself.
They deleted all the files in Real America’s Voice's S3 bucket, but it seems like it'd be more mischievous to upload larger and larger files to it over time to make them wonder why their bills are skyrocketing. That and randomly change the permissions of a few files per day, delete data from the middle of files, etc.
Of course, I would never do such a thing.
There would probably be more illegal actions taken into account if caught if they cost the person/church/organization/company more money by doing so.
While fun I am sure there are better ways to do something without costing people/organizations money. I think this is important to consider when we compare deeds and acts we deem as better for everyone and compare it to things we deem as not okay for everyone because we tend to get wrapped up in the idea that our opinions justify what is right when what it boils or would boil down to is this.
Ousting a right wing ass hole and costing him and the church more money = illegal
Ousting someone through extortion or costing them more money through scams = illegal
While we could morally argue one is far better than the other the way this could be portrayed especially by someone in Florida a specific politician called DeSantis: "Those gay rights activists are basically scammers and extortionists."
While on the surface their moral obligations are clearly different and I applaud them. Hacking without consent or authorization is technically illegal regardless and can be charged but they are less likely to look like the bad guys by not costing, someone or some thing, absurd amounts of money that they would end up paying back like wise there is less fire power against them.
Either way good on them.
Alright, which one of you did this?
We need more grey hat hackers in this world.
We need more gay hat hackers in this world.
FTFY
It was SO CLOSE I dont know how they missed it xD
well. not hats exactly.
and nah. this is definitionally black hat. only heroes we get in this genre.
I like that the idea that gay furries being the ones that did them in likely makes them that much more mad about getting caught.
I ain't going to be against anyone who exposes these distributors of hatred.
User data leaked, AWS S3 buckets deleted, and user data wiped :3
hahahahahaha!!!
Yoooo isn’t this the group that hacked the government a nuclear lab and NATO in the past?
I can neither confirm nor deny his participation. =3
SiegedSec reportedly emerged around February 2022, taking their name from their goal of “sieging their victim’s security,” according to the cybersecurity service DarkOwl. Their website defacements reportedly include vulgar language referencing “dks and cmdogs.”
No matter their reputation, every furry I've ever met has been a decent person.
My daughter likes to point out that the kids in her old school hated furries but loved the sports mascot guy in a fursuit.
there are definitely some shitty ones, but in general, the community fosters good people, and good interactions, it's supposed to be an escapism after all.
Yeah the furry con near were I used to work ended up developing their own police because of how many local businesses were banning them for disruptive behavior, hygiene, and public displays of sexual behavior.
yeah that sounds about right.
That sounds like pretty much any fandom con. Or at least any before the big ones got totally corporate.
Sure, there are assholes in any group. That just means furries are people.
Spoiler alert!
yup!
One of the characteristics of autism is rigid morals even when the morals will present a negative outcome for the one who holds those morals.
Who are you even suggesting has autism here??
Exactly, the autism/furry overlap is not small.
Not necessarily.
Despite the downvotes, this is true. You could also say, however, that it is an unneccesarily negative way to frame it, when you could also say that autistic people tend to be more consistent in their beliefs even at the cost of personal gain (of which mankind as a whole should learn a bit imo)
https://neuroclastic.com/autistic-people-care-too-much-research-says/
I think it's gone over everyone's head that I'm a furry from the furry instance The implication being that I'm also on the spectrum. This is based on my own experience and antidotes my first hand assessment of the furry fan base is that it's full of people that possess a higher than average set of autistic traits. Like half of us are in stem Fields.
I'm relatively sure anyone in frequent contact with members of the furry community can probably provide anecdotal evidence of autistic trait correlation, myself included.
I'm sorry you got the negative reaction for the previous post, but I'm glad someone else backed up the claim of rigid moral values. It's an interesting link that seems to resonate with me.
We also are more immune than the normies to propaganda. Probably because we don't give a flying Fuck about what other people's opinions are. Case in point my post history
I'm not equating furries to pedophiles here, as I have absolutely no problems with them what so ever...
But this is the equivalent of saying people hate pedophiles, but love children. It's pretty obvious that the sexualization is the difference.
What point are you trying to make?
As I said in another post, I was under the incorrect impression that it was primarily/exclusively a sexual fetish.
I still stand by my point because according to wikipedia it seems like sexualization is, at least, a major subculture within it, if not an outright majority.
To be clear about my point, two consenting adults can do whatever they want with each other as far as I'm concerned, and if they aren't hurting anyone, they are alright with me. But the reason people are weird about furries and not a mascot is the sexualization attached to furries, whether justified or not, while anthropomorphized animal mascots are not about sexualizing anything.
Bro is onto fucking nothing with this one, like what are you even saying with this
i mean yeah, i would hope most people loved children, otherwise the entirety of the human race would be fucking extinct.
"I'm not implying that taco eaters are responsible for the pandemic, mind you...
But there was always a line around the block at Taco Bell in the early days of the pandemic."
The moment you say "I'm not equating benign X with problematic Y", you immediately put the idea in people's head that X and Y have a strong correlation which serves to further skepticism and judgment of benign X.
If I didn't do that, I would inevitably be accused of equating them. So I explicitly pointed out that I'm noy equating them. If people interpret that there is a strong correlation between the two, despite what I explicitly said, then that's on them. If I hadn't made it clear, then that would be on me.
Or, and this is just a thought, you just say nothing. That's an option, too.
Sure, just like you could have here. But, hypocritically, did not.
Just in case I get you right. I think you are confusing being a Furry with practising sodomy. As a Furry I can assure you, that this accounts for a very small subgroup that - at least I - tend to avoid. Sex is nice as long as everyone consents and is mentally able to consent.
If I got you wrong please clarify what you meant. I don't want to accuse you of anything ^-^
Nah, I was under the incorrect impression that it was primarily/exclusively a sexual fetish. I still stand by my point because according to wikipedia it seems like sexualization is, at least, a major subculture within it, if not an outright majority.
I do see your point (I think). On the other hand yiff has a wide range from humans with animal features (catgirls, cowgirls, ...) up to the more hardcore furry porn. I for example would also say that I have "a minor sexual interest" but that interest does not include the real hardcore stuff.
And with Furry content showing strongly humanified animals it is arguable how bad/harmful said fetish is. But I have to admit that I have too found myself questioning if a bit of yiff I had just seen was a bit too much, but where to draw the line is ultimately highly subjective.
I still wouldn't compare them to people that sexualize underage (anime) kids just from the matter of fact that kids exist irl whilst humanified beasts are just a product of imagination.
This is not a fetish that I think is bad at all. Seems completely harmless to me, assuming it's all consenting adults.
I'm just pointing out that this is why I believe people view furries differently than mascots.
I'm still waiting for the cat girls...
Edit: For whoever is downvoting me, this is literally the same group that hacked a nuclear research lab last year. Their demand was that they begin serious research into the creation of real life catgirls.
I didn't downvote you, but the context is appreciated because I didn't know why you said that.
My bad! I'm honestly surprised they didn't mention it in the article! It's journalistic gold!
I mean, fair enough
AND THE RESEARCH?!
That sounds like an interesting line of study, do you have and further insight on progress?
Lemmy has gotten a lot less civil recently, people just downvoting for no reason and calling each other shit they wouldn't dare say to a living person in front of them
I wouldnt call a few downvotes 'less civil'. Without the edit, the parent comment looked like a weird non sequitur. With the comment there was more context and now it has a lot of upvotes.
Totally why I clarified. I realized people probably had no idea what I was talking about. I figured more people would get the reference, but was obviously wrong. Not anyone's fault there but mine!
Couldn't not share it with people though. Such a crazy piece of news...
I mean, downvotes are supposed to be for irrelevant comments. Anyone who missed the reference would easily assume it to be irrelevant.
I think it's amusing how there are several people ITT that think the way people use upvotes and downvotes changed all because some amorphous entity tied to Lemmy said so.
They are absolutely "I agree with this" and "I disagree with this" buttons, Hexbear should have definitively proven that to all of you.
Just because people stick cotton swabs in their ears doesn't mean that they're supposed to be used for that.
Oh, I see, so you must pronounce GIFs as 'JIFs' then?
You really shouldn't stick cotton swabs inside your ear holes. They're not even that great at cleaning them out.
Imagine pronouncing gif as jif
It's literally gift without the t though
You're right, and people use q-tips to clean their ears.
What the creator intends does not matter, at all.
But being fit for use does matter though.
Cotton swabs pick up portions of ear wax, so it might make you feel happy, but they often push wax deeper which can lead to impacting.
Upvote/downvote based solely on agree/disagree may make you feel good for getting a little colour to match your opinion, but it doesn't result in good conversation or better content on Lemmy.
the irony of this comment being downvoted is not lost.
Or maybe it is, idk if i can find it.
Not what they're for. The downvote is not a "I disagree with this comment" button, It is a measure of how relevant to the discussion a comment is.
In this case your comment about how everyone is bad and evil and everything is actually not at all relevant to anything in this discussion
I think it's amusing how there are several people ITT that think the way people use upvotes and downvotes changed all because some amorphous entity tied to Lemmy said so.
They are absolutely "I agree with this" and "I disagree with this" buttons, Hexbear should have definitively proven that to all of you.
Thank you for your furvice o7
Thank you fur survice.
Among highly skilled hackers, I wonder what percentage are either on the spectrum, furry, or LGBTQ (or some combination thereof). It's got to be at least 50%. Anyway, great work here!
Not sure about hackers but it's kind of a meme among software developers that senior devs are more likely to be trans, furry or both.
There's jokes about a picture of furries on a plane, that if it goes down, the entirety of internet infrastructure would collapse
Furcons need designated survivor protocols
Is there an r/NoContext equivalent for lemmy? I feel like this belongs there. BrandNewSentence as well.
You can create one.
The worst part is that Don McLean may not be around to write a kick ass song about it should it happen.
Edit: Do a couple of you not know what the song American Pie is about?
Weird Al can probably fill the void.
...
I feel called out
It's okay. You are loved. Someone has to write our open source game console emulators, after all.
You can add kinky to that list as well. The BDSM community has a massive percentage of tech people.
Arch / Black Arch is favoured among them, so about 90% probably. The rest is either, but not both.
The other 50% are people who don't know it yet but are just in their fascist arc on their way to self acceptance.
Based Furries. Fuck Transphobes.
I would have forced them to spend $100 on as many shelters and food kitchens that they could find, and then see if River Valley would try to do a charge back on each one.
Clever
Still beats me how they manage to use the keyboard with those big fluffy paws...
They lay on your lap whilst they dictate their mischievous code.
touches your bulge - "is that keyboard for me" #>~<#
Sigh, I will see myself out as I cringed myself out with that one and it was funnier to me than it probably is.
I’m not gonna lie the second part made it so much funnier to me
bark-to-text, of course!
I will never get tired of seeing headlines that start with “Gay furry hackers” because if the Venn diagram is that intersectional, it’s schaudenfreude story time with spicy drops! 🍿
That's pretty awesome.
In the same fashion that elves were like the best blacksmiths in middle earth, I love how furries specifically tend to be very high in the "computer power" scale
[Curses in Dwarvish]
As you take the limit of computer power to infinity, the overlap approaches a circle.
brand new sentences...
Surprisingly this is not the first time I have seen a sentence like this.
I'm pretty sure I've seen this one before, actually.
okay so sometimes living in a half passed shadow run 6e campaign run by severely concussed Kurt Vonnegut as he dies of dysentery is pretty fun.
even in that condition; man can still write. apparently.
You know what, good for them. I dont care. Fuck *phobes
Fuck you too.
Sincerely, a Arachnophobe
Unlike the other two people, I suffer from a phobia of not being fucked, so I appreciate it.
oh. wow. fuck you, then, I guess.
Why thank you!
I'm not big on being thanked, fuck you.
Not nice, I'm suffering from acrophobia
Fuck hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobes.
What are you, some kind of rhinophobe?
"claim to have stolen 6200 dollars and spent it on 100 inflatable sea lions"
Honestly, i'm not even sure this is a crime. Can you imagine being a juror in court for this shit?
It doesn't have to be a crime to piss off the congregation that donated that money
Jesus needed those sea lions. The congregation should be happy.
they're for the new ark
no but it's still funny as fuck and i dont think i would even be upset if i donated the money myself.
They deleted all the files in Real America’s Voice's S3 bucket, but it seems like it'd be more mischievous to upload larger and larger files to it over time to make them wonder why their bills are skyrocketing. That and randomly change the permissions of a few files per day, delete data from the middle of files, etc.
Of course, I would never do such a thing.
There would probably be more illegal actions taken into account if caught if they cost the person/church/organization/company more money by doing so.
While fun I am sure there are better ways to do something without costing people/organizations money. I think this is important to consider when we compare deeds and acts we deem as better for everyone and compare it to things we deem as not okay for everyone because we tend to get wrapped up in the idea that our opinions justify what is right when what it boils or would boil down to is this.
Ousting a right wing ass hole and costing him and the church more money = illegal
Ousting someone through extortion or costing them more money through scams = illegal
While we could morally argue one is far better than the other the way this could be portrayed especially by someone in Florida a specific politician called DeSantis: "Those gay rights activists are basically scammers and extortionists."
While on the surface their moral obligations are clearly different and I applaud them. Hacking without consent or authorization is technically illegal regardless and can be charged but they are less likely to look like the bad guys by not costing, someone or some thing, absurd amounts of money that they would end up paying back like wise there is less fire power against them.
Either way good on them.
Alright, which one of you did this?
We need more grey hat hackers in this world.
FTFY
It was SO CLOSE I dont know how they missed it xD
well. not hats exactly.
and nah. this is definitionally black hat. only heroes we get in this genre.
I like that the idea that gay furries being the ones that did them in likely makes them that much more mad about getting caught.
I ain't going to be against anyone who exposes these distributors of hatred.
hahahahahaha!!!
Yoooo isn’t this the group that hacked
the governmenta nuclear lab and NATO in the past?Mad respect for their praxis on this one, ngl
edit: https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/04/nato_data_attack/
All right which of you did this?
hey, don't look at me.
i mean, i would've done basically the same thing, but come on, it wasn't me.
I see you @Kolanaki@yiffit.net
I can neither confirm nor deny his participation. =3
I mean, I suppose it's okay if they say cumdogs