What if you are severely immuno-compromised during a pandemic? Just die, I suppose?
Better that than to hurt the feelings of someone who cares a whole lot about people wearing masks.
From reading the article, I get the impression that this bill is mostly about them wanting to be able to arrest protesters who wear masks to hide their identity.
Which is still really shitty, to be clear.
Them's the small government folks for ya...
It's so stupid.
Like, if the protesters do something illegal (actually illegal that is) then even if they have a mask on you can arrest them and make them take it off for mugshots. Also medical masks don't really cover enough of the face to prevent identification.
But then that wouldn't be for health reasons, right?
Right, but any kind of "you can't wear a mask in public" law is easily evaded if there's a legal exception for wearing one for health reasons.
But here I thought Republicans only cared about facts, not feelings. . .
The Republican claim on hard-nosed, reality-based reasoning is just so astoundingly mendacious. I find myself legitimately perplexed over the whole thing.
I mean, the guys who believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, trickle-down economics work, ectopic pregnancies are a gift from God and mustn't be stopped, vaccines are poisonous, life doesn't evolve, and Donald Trump was a good president are the down-to-Earth realists? Is this performance art of some kind?
How do people like that survive to adulthood?
By not being beaten with baseball bats when they prove to be sociopathically psychotic
For republicans, feelings are facts!
Or worse, what if you are a bit sick but need to go outside for a while? Just keep spreading the disease, I suppose?
This would be a clear violation of ones first amendment right. Say it's your religion.
The courts have already set the precedent that there are preferred religions and religions that do not enjoy the same rights because the judges don't believe in them. Our legal system is corrupt and unjust. We cannot count on the courts to protect our rights.
Oh just call the TST for this one, even the constitutional literalists cant weasel their way out of that one.
They can, as they already have. There is no guarantee that their decisions will be consistent or intellectually sincere.
Yeah, and for some reason people are just ignoring the blatantly obvious inconsistency. Itβs crazy.
Not...really? Not in this context, anyways.
You cannot compel a person to remove their hijab, anywhere in the US, for example.
The police can and do, which is what they are enforcing here
Yes cops are bad. We all know. You don't fight cops at your arrest for justice. You fight in the court.
You're missing the point entirely.
Jfc room temp IQs in this thread.
You donβt win fights against cops in court. Best case scenario, the public pays the cost to cover your suit.
But your point was that people have rights in the US. My point is a right on paper but at the discretion of the police, is in practice, not a right.
As I said, you've missed the point entirely.
Then what is the point?
I've said all I care to say. You're being willfully ignorant. I don't care to speak with you any further.
No, you just never had a point
Ok. Bye.
You are missing the point about the courts.
π no u
Qualified immunity called me while you wrote this. It didn't say anything, it was too busy laughing.
That isn't what qualified immunity is or does.
Qualified immunity more or less means that the cops can't be held directly liable for something that the courts haven't yet found to be wrong for a police officer to do while in the course of their duties. So, if a cop does something obviously wrong and fucked up in the course of their duties (like, say, detaining you in a car parked on railroad tracks) and you suffer injuries from it, but a court hasn't previously found that exact situation to be a wrong thing for a police officer to do, qualified immunity prevents them from being held personally accountable. The next person who gets detained on railroad tracks is covered, but you're shit outta luck.
I know what QI is about, the comment has more to do with fighting the cops in court when courts meet all manner of egregious police behavior with little more than stern finger wags and exasperated sighs at best (often. Very rarely, they actually do get held accountable) and endorsement at worst.
Replied to wrong post. Nothing to see here. Move along
clears throat it's your religion.
Ok, what's the next step?
Banning masks is authoritarian fascist shit, especially masks that protect you from spreading contagious illnesses. Ridiculous, one year we're all told we need to wear masks to protect one another, next year we're told that it's illegal? Fuck off government, fuck off.
These are the same people who argued that forcing people to wear masks is fascism.
You literally can't make this shit up.
In one case it was experts trying to save lives. In the other it's white nationalist christofascists virtue signaling to their crushingly ignorant base.
America is a garbage country.
Context: I am American
There are active KKK chapters in NC. There is also a Proud Boys presence here (they're known to wear masks).
I wonder, will they be exempt from this? (I know the answer, of course. Republicans will protect their own.)
This was actually discussed. The bill makes an exception for "members of a secret society demonstrating in public" as long as they get a permit from the police first.
Of course. Good thing those that work forces and those that burn crosses are two entirely different groups and totally do not overlap.
I was going to make a remark about how getting a permit must be really convenient, since you don't even need to leave the office.
That is a weirdly specific phrasing
"You boys better not have no n95s under them hoods?"
My exact thought: surely they'll be prosecuted under this law, right? Right?
Some of those that work forces...
I know someone that recently got a heart transplant. They wear a mask, and take many other precautions so that their immune system doesn't reject the heart. They aren't being overly cautious - they are actually at risk. I can't imagine a government trying to arrest them for wearing a mask.
NC Republicans aren't a government
At best they are a christofascist theocracy
This entire scenario (the mask banning) is ridiculous. Political games like this are the worst.
I can't imagine a government trying to arrest them for wearing a mask.
Imagination isn't your strength, is it? If such a statute was placed, I can definitely imagine a cop not giving a fuck about a serious medical issue. As if they used reason or had empathy.
That's fine. Wearing a mask is now a political statement which is protected free speech.
Well shit, there goes my Outdoor Surgery business idea!
My little niece just turned 19. Weeks before her birthday, she was diagnosed with cancer and is currently going through chemo.
These people can go to hell if they think they can put her even more at risk because of whatever shitty agenda they're pushing.
Party of freedom.... fuck you, fucking fascists.
I'm really sorry to hear that. Wishing the best for your neice
Thank you. She's an incredibly talented writer and ridiculously creative, thoughtful, & kind. She was only just starting to live her life independently, and it was ripped away from her with the diagnosis.
We need to advocate for those who struggle to / are unable to do so for themselves.
I'm severely immunocompromised. Let them try and get the mask off my face. I'd prefer to hit them with my cane, but in all honestly, it would be more effective to sue them on federal ADA violations.
"For health reasons" - if that's what they choose to enforce, well then... looks like every day just became Halloween.
"No officer, Im not wearing this Ronald Reagan mask for my health, I'm celebrating Halloween" "Yes, officer, in May".
my state used to be purple leaning blue...
Ahh.. good times...
they're over now
I'm in VA. For a bit it seems like we would be a future blue state. Now we have a porn ban and Marijuana legalization, which was passed by democrats, has been effectively stalled. Possession is legal, and you can grow a small amount for personal use, but our republican governor blocked the creation of a legal market.
Republicans can get fucked. I hope that this obvious not listening to their constituents costs them in the future, but I'm really not sure. People need to vote, and not just for president.
It won't, they don't stand for anything outside of "Libs Mad" so as long as "Libs Mad", they'll keep voting
Amen brother
Let them try .. I'm a cancer survivor with a compromised immune system. They can fuck right off and I'll be filing an ADA complaint.
Yeah, ok, good luck enforcing that
They will, they will make hundreds, maybe thousands of arrests knowing full well its unconstitutional. But it'll take a year or two to work through courts at which point the courts will be completely controlled by Project 2025 magats.
Disagree. Even if this goes through, it reads more like a liability waiver: it's power is more in the chilling effect vs. actual teeth in enforcement
Is americ okay
No. Not even a little bit
βΉοΈ
They really said βbecause we canβt get crime under control, you canβt have health measuresβ
Someone will just have to start a religion where masking in public is one of the purity rites for the devout. Better yet, join their religion first and schism another denomination off it due to the doctrinal demand for the ritual mask of purity. Then, they'll have to acknowledge its "legitimacy."
Oh you sweet summer child, freedom of religion is only for christians
Then make a branch of Christianity that involves mask wearing
Itβs called the KKK
The KKK actually persecuted many branches of Christianity including Catholicism and Mormonism, and burned down black churches.
Does that apply to Proud Boys? Let's unmask these filthy vermin.
"to wear a mask for health reasons", it says.
So I guess it doesn't apply to those idiots because they don't believe in those health reasons and hide their faces because they're pussies who are afraid of being identified as the pathetic nazi fucks they are.
We can always make it hazardous to one's health to be a Nazi fuck...
I support this proposition.
I thought that said NYC at first and was confused as it's blue, but now it makes sense
good thing they forgot to ban them for security reasons...
Good thing they won't ban that.
Yes, shoot me for wearing an anti-allergy mask officer. I'm begging you.
I will live like a king siphoning off your retirement pension if you shoot me for keeping pollen out of my nose.
Oh, you sweet summer child.
Cops can murder people in cold blood, on camera, and suffer absolutely no consequences.
No, you're wrong.
They get a 2 week paid vacation. If they play their cards right, they can say they got PTSD and get to retire early with a pension and start over in another jurisdiction.
Don't forget getting to keep the murder weapon despite having "PTSD" from murdering a guy.
Good luck suing a cop. The courts have consistently ruled that they can basically do what they like and you can't sue them for shit.
I would love to get a mask made that read "I have tuberculosis".
Hopefully this doesn't spread. My partner already has a difficult time going into public because she's highly allergic to a very common ingredient that's in practically everything.
Is it sugar?
It's a fruit. They have an anaphylactic reaction when coming in contact with it or breathing in the fumes from products.
I'd imagine this is more about making sure facial recognition works. Can't Big Brother if they plebs are covering their faces.
Would this include airplanes flying into NC? Like, if I have a layover in Charlotte and I'm only gonna be at the airport a few hours, I can't wear a mask on the plane to Charlotte, or at the Charlotte airport? I know planes are owned by the airlines so they're not "public", but what about inside an airport?
I can only speak from an international perspective but I've taken a plane from Canada through USA a few years ago. During that time Canada had a mask mandate so all of us have to keep our mask on from the airport all the way to boarding. However, once the cabin door closes, apparently, that's when American law kicks in. The mask mandate is lifted according to US law. Maybe US state laws work similarly?
This is more about arresting protestors
With what legal explanation? Cruel attack on nature by not dying?
Trying to hide while doing criminal activity
pretty sure the police are still going to be wearing helmets when they commit crimes, this is about speech and anonimity
Sure thing; I just tell the justification they give
Most of the people I see that wear masks are old ladies trying to avoid getting sick. How fucking pathetic do they have to be to be so afraid of the world that they want to ban immune compromised people from wearing a mask?
BuT TheY mAy CaUsE CriMeS!!!
More evidence of nihilistic government. Can em ban em afghanistan em
This is why I welcome the coming global ecological apocalypse. We deserve it.
Don't include my country in this, it's shitty but not as shitty as yours.
You may think that, but trust me, you're wrong.
Sounds like something someone from the shittiest country on earth would assume
Canada?
We don't. They do. But climate is one for us all, so let's go and beat the shit out of them.
I hope one of the local government members gets a major sickness like COVID because someone with it comes up to them unmasked and sneezes on them. Then their Republicans might learn a lesson so long as it was one of them getting sneezed on. Though, I doubt it.
Doubt it. Would be a repeat of when Trump got COVID, where he kept saying it was nothing while getting massive medical help to recover from it.
Would wearing a mask at a hospital be considered public?
Wouldn't be surprised if they did include that as a public space.
Ever since I left NC it has become the most fucked up bunch of deranged retards (oh, excuse me, deranged "mentally challenged" π ) and I am NOT going back to fix it.
This is what nonstop, unchallenged radical fascist radio causes, and every shitlib here is still gonna defend it as "free speech".
It's a shame, really. There's so much good there, and so much that I miss, but the gop wholeass hijacked the whole state.
What if you are severely immuno-compromised during a pandemic? Just die, I suppose?
Better that than to hurt the feelings of someone who cares a whole lot about people wearing masks.
From reading the article, I get the impression that this bill is mostly about them wanting to be able to arrest protesters who wear masks to hide their identity.
Which is still really shitty, to be clear.
Them's the small government folks for ya...
It's so stupid. Like, if the protesters do something illegal (actually illegal that is) then even if they have a mask on you can arrest them and make them take it off for mugshots. Also medical masks don't really cover enough of the face to prevent identification.
But then that wouldn't be for health reasons, right?
Right, but any kind of "you can't wear a mask in public" law is easily evaded if there's a legal exception for wearing one for health reasons.
But here I thought Republicans only cared about facts, not feelings. . .
The Republican claim on hard-nosed, reality-based reasoning is just so astoundingly mendacious. I find myself legitimately perplexed over the whole thing.
I mean, the guys who believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, trickle-down economics work, ectopic pregnancies are a gift from God and mustn't be stopped, vaccines are poisonous, life doesn't evolve, and Donald Trump was a good president are the down-to-Earth realists? Is this performance art of some kind?
How do people like that survive to adulthood?
By not being beaten with baseball bats when they prove to be sociopathically psychotic
For republicans, feelings are facts!
Or worse, what if you are a bit sick but need to go outside for a while? Just keep spreading the disease, I suppose?
This would be a clear violation of ones first amendment right. Say it's your religion.
The courts have already set the precedent that there are preferred religions and religions that do not enjoy the same rights because the judges don't believe in them. Our legal system is corrupt and unjust. We cannot count on the courts to protect our rights.
Oh just call the TST for this one, even the constitutional literalists cant weasel their way out of that one.
They can, as they already have. There is no guarantee that their decisions will be consistent or intellectually sincere.
Yeah, and for some reason people are just ignoring the blatantly obvious inconsistency. Itβs crazy.
Not...really? Not in this context, anyways.
You cannot compel a person to remove their hijab, anywhere in the US, for example.
The police can and do, which is what they are enforcing here
Yes cops are bad. We all know. You don't fight cops at your arrest for justice. You fight in the court.
You're missing the point entirely.
Jfc room temp IQs in this thread.
You donβt win fights against cops in court. Best case scenario, the public pays the cost to cover your suit.
But your point was that people have rights in the US. My point is a right on paper but at the discretion of the police, is in practice, not a right.
As I said, you've missed the point entirely.
Then what is the point?
I've said all I care to say. You're being willfully ignorant. I don't care to speak with you any further.
No, you just never had a point
Ok. Bye.
You are missing the point about the courts.
π no u
Qualified immunity called me while you wrote this. It didn't say anything, it was too busy laughing.
That isn't what qualified immunity is or does.
Qualified immunity more or less means that the cops can't be held directly liable for something that the courts haven't yet found to be wrong for a police officer to do while in the course of their duties. So, if a cop does something obviously wrong and fucked up in the course of their duties (like, say, detaining you in a car parked on railroad tracks) and you suffer injuries from it, but a court hasn't previously found that exact situation to be a wrong thing for a police officer to do, qualified immunity prevents them from being held personally accountable. The next person who gets detained on railroad tracks is covered, but you're shit outta luck.
I know what QI is about, the comment has more to do with fighting the cops in court when courts meet all manner of egregious police behavior with little more than stern finger wags and exasperated sighs at best (often. Very rarely, they actually do get held accountable) and endorsement at worst.
Replied to wrong post. Nothing to see here. Move along
clears throat it's your religion.
Ok, what's the next step?
Banning masks is authoritarian fascist shit, especially masks that protect you from spreading contagious illnesses. Ridiculous, one year we're all told we need to wear masks to protect one another, next year we're told that it's illegal? Fuck off government, fuck off.
These are the same people who argued that forcing people to wear masks is fascism.
You literally can't make this shit up.
In one case it was experts trying to save lives. In the other it's white nationalist christofascists virtue signaling to their crushingly ignorant base.
America is a garbage country.
Context: I am American
There are active KKK chapters in NC. There is also a Proud Boys presence here (they're known to wear masks).
I wonder, will they be exempt from this? (I know the answer, of course. Republicans will protect their own.)
This was actually discussed. The bill makes an exception for "members of a secret society demonstrating in public" as long as they get a permit from the police first.
Of course. Good thing those that work forces and those that burn crosses are two entirely different groups and totally do not overlap.
I was going to make a remark about how getting a permit must be really convenient, since you don't even need to leave the office.
That is a weirdly specific phrasing
"You boys better not have no n95s under them hoods?"
My exact thought: surely they'll be prosecuted under this law, right? Right?
Some of those that work forces...
I know someone that recently got a heart transplant. They wear a mask, and take many other precautions so that their immune system doesn't reject the heart. They aren't being overly cautious - they are actually at risk. I can't imagine a government trying to arrest them for wearing a mask.
NC Republicans aren't a government
At best they are a christofascist theocracy
This entire scenario (the mask banning) is ridiculous. Political games like this are the worst.
Imagination isn't your strength, is it? If such a statute was placed, I can definitely imagine a cop not giving a fuck about a serious medical issue. As if they used reason or had empathy.
That's fine. Wearing a mask is now a political statement which is protected free speech.
Does that apply to surgeons?
They're probably not considered "in public."
Well shit, there goes my Outdoor Surgery business idea!
My little niece just turned 19. Weeks before her birthday, she was diagnosed with cancer and is currently going through chemo.
These people can go to hell if they think they can put her even more at risk because of whatever shitty agenda they're pushing.
Party of freedom.... fuck you, fucking fascists.
I'm really sorry to hear that. Wishing the best for your neice
Thank you. She's an incredibly talented writer and ridiculously creative, thoughtful, & kind. She was only just starting to live her life independently, and it was ripped away from her with the diagnosis.
We need to advocate for those who struggle to / are unable to do so for themselves.
I'm severely immunocompromised. Let them try and get the mask off my face. I'd prefer to hit them with my cane, but in all honestly, it would be more effective to sue them on federal ADA violations.
"For health reasons" - if that's what they choose to enforce, well then... looks like every day just became Halloween.
"No officer, Im not wearing this Ronald Reagan mask for my health, I'm celebrating Halloween" "Yes, officer, in May".
my state used to be purple leaning blue...
Ahh.. good times...
they're over now
I'm in VA. For a bit it seems like we would be a future blue state. Now we have a porn ban and Marijuana legalization, which was passed by democrats, has been effectively stalled. Possession is legal, and you can grow a small amount for personal use, but our republican governor blocked the creation of a legal market.
Republicans can get fucked. I hope that this obvious not listening to their constituents costs them in the future, but I'm really not sure. People need to vote, and not just for president.
It won't, they don't stand for anything outside of "Libs Mad" so as long as "Libs Mad", they'll keep voting
Amen brother
Let them try .. I'm a cancer survivor with a compromised immune system. They can fuck right off and I'll be filing an ADA complaint.
Yeah, ok, good luck enforcing that
They will, they will make hundreds, maybe thousands of arrests knowing full well its unconstitutional. But it'll take a year or two to work through courts at which point the courts will be completely controlled by Project 2025 magats.
Disagree. Even if this goes through, it reads more like a liability waiver: it's power is more in the chilling effect vs. actual teeth in enforcement
Is americ okay
No. Not even a little bit
βΉοΈ
They really said βbecause we canβt get crime under control, you canβt have health measuresβ
Someone will just have to start a religion where masking in public is one of the purity rites for the devout. Better yet, join their religion first and schism another denomination off it due to the doctrinal demand for the ritual mask of purity. Then, they'll have to acknowledge its "legitimacy."
Oh you sweet summer child, freedom of religion is only for christians
Then make a branch of Christianity that involves mask wearing
Itβs called the KKK
The KKK actually persecuted many branches of Christianity including Catholicism and Mormonism, and burned down black churches.
Does that apply to Proud Boys? Let's unmask these filthy vermin.
"to wear a mask for health reasons", it says.
So I guess it doesn't apply to those idiots because they don't believe in those health reasons and hide their faces because they're pussies who are afraid of being identified as the pathetic nazi fucks they are.
We can always make it hazardous to one's health to be a Nazi fuck...
I support this proposition.
I thought that said NYC at first and was confused as it's blue, but now it makes sense
good thing they forgot to ban them for security reasons...
Good thing they won't ban that.
Yes, shoot me for wearing an anti-allergy mask officer. I'm begging you.
I will live like a king siphoning off your retirement pension if you shoot me for keeping pollen out of my nose.
Oh, you sweet summer child.
Cops can murder people in cold blood, on camera, and suffer absolutely no consequences.
No, you're wrong.
They get a 2 week paid vacation. If they play their cards right, they can say they got PTSD and get to retire early with a pension and start over in another jurisdiction.
Don't forget getting to keep the murder weapon despite having "PTSD" from murdering a guy.
Good luck suing a cop. The courts have consistently ruled that they can basically do what they like and you can't sue them for shit.
https://www.ncsl.org/civil-and-criminal-justice/qualified-immunity
You know damn well police face no real consequences for their actions.
even if somehow you get past qualified immunity, cops don't pay shit. it comes out of your (and your fellow citizens') taxes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement
I would love to get a mask made that read "I have tuberculosis".
Hopefully this doesn't spread. My partner already has a difficult time going into public because she's highly allergic to a very common ingredient that's in practically everything.
Is it sugar?
It's a fruit. They have an anaphylactic reaction when coming in contact with it or breathing in the fumes from products.
I'd imagine this is more about making sure facial recognition works. Can't Big Brother if they plebs are covering their faces.
Would this include airplanes flying into NC? Like, if I have a layover in Charlotte and I'm only gonna be at the airport a few hours, I can't wear a mask on the plane to Charlotte, or at the Charlotte airport? I know planes are owned by the airlines so they're not "public", but what about inside an airport?
I can only speak from an international perspective but I've taken a plane from Canada through USA a few years ago. During that time Canada had a mask mandate so all of us have to keep our mask on from the airport all the way to boarding. However, once the cabin door closes, apparently, that's when American law kicks in. The mask mandate is lifted according to US law. Maybe US state laws work similarly?
This is more about arresting protestors
With what legal explanation? Cruel attack on nature by not dying?
Trying to hide while doing criminal activity
pretty sure the police are still going to be wearing helmets when they commit crimes, this is about speech and anonimity
Sure thing; I just tell the justification they give
Most of the people I see that wear masks are old ladies trying to avoid getting sick. How fucking pathetic do they have to be to be so afraid of the world that they want to ban immune compromised people from wearing a mask?
BuT TheY mAy CaUsE CriMeS!!!
More evidence of nihilistic government. Can em ban em afghanistan em
This is why I welcome the coming global ecological apocalypse. We deserve it.
Don't include my country in this, it's shitty but not as shitty as yours.
You may think that, but trust me, you're wrong.
Sounds like something someone from the shittiest country on earth would assume
Canada?
We don't. They do. But climate is one for us all, so let's go and beat the shit out of them.
I hope one of the local government members gets a major sickness like COVID because someone with it comes up to them unmasked and sneezes on them. Then their Republicans might learn a lesson so long as it was one of them getting sneezed on. Though, I doubt it.
Doubt it. Would be a repeat of when Trump got COVID, where he kept saying it was nothing while getting massive medical help to recover from it.
Would wearing a mask at a hospital be considered public?
Wouldn't be surprised if they did include that as a public space.
Ever since I left NC it has become the most fucked up bunch of deranged retards (oh, excuse me, deranged "mentally challenged" π ) and I am NOT going back to fix it. This is what nonstop, unchallenged radical fascist radio causes, and every shitlib here is still gonna defend it as "free speech".
It's a shame, really. There's so much good there, and so much that I miss, but the gop wholeass hijacked the whole state.
*France has enter the chat*
Good let them infect each other.