In his Truth Social tirade, Mr Trump slammed the August 2022 at his Florida home and private club.
“WOW! I just came out of the Biden Witch Hunt Trial in Manhattan, the ‘Icebox,’ and was shown Reports that Crooked Joe Biden’s DOJ, in their Illegal and UnConstitutional Raid of Mar-a-Lago, AUTHORIZED THE FBI TO USE DEADLY (LETHAL) FORCE.
What's he complaining about? Isn't he the one who said the President can do no wrong?
He's not complaining. He's establishing precedent.
That seems like a dumb non-complaint that will nevertheless resonate with his paranoid base.
If you get pulled over for just rolling through a stop sign, did you know THE COP BRINGS THEIR GUN WITH THEM when they approach your car???
Seems like a weird stance to try, considering how right-wing most police are.
That was kind of my point. Trump is trying to speak to his base that has no problems with police violence or guns, but do somehow care when HE complains about how it affects HIM.
Hypocrisy is the name of his game.
Lethal? Don’t give me hope like that!
There has never been an explanation of how a person who is a known rapist, known liar, known fraudster, known thief of classified documents, known seller of information which got operatives killed, is allowed to run for office. It defies explanation.
I have an explanation:
Propaganda works really well.
The things you listed are what someone on the left thinks of Trump.
Someone who is: Tough on Crime™, Fights for Liberty™, Cares for Children™, a Successful Business Man™, Fights Wokeness™, Highly Intelligent™, Protects Democracy™, and Fights for Christianity™, is what those on the right are made to believe Trump is.
Propagandists are why Trump will win again...
I hate propagandists with every fiber of my being.
Not only do they give cover to this piece of shit, they make the right feel as if WE are oppressing and attacking them! They literally put us all in danger by making the right feel threatened by our existence.
This is NOT the same as us saying POLITICIANS on the right putting us in actual danger and actually oppressing us... One is saying Joe schmoe liberal is the danger, the other is saying Mitch Mcfuckbag in the Senate is a danger to us all.
Someone who is: Tough on Crime™, Fights for Liberty™, Cares for Children™, a Successful Business Man™, Fights Wokeness™, Highly Intelligent™, Protects Democracy™, and Fights for Christianity™, is what those on the right are made to believe Trump is.
Even though each and every one of those things is a provably blatant lie.
Protects Democracy™
That's one that I don't think right-wingers believe for a moment or care in the slightest about.
"The Greeks were a bunch of woke gays anyway, good riddance" is what a Republican might say if they knew the Greeks invented democracy.
I mean...none of those things are disqualifying for running for office, even if he were convicted of any crimes related to them, which he hasn't been. Trump is a piece of shit, but yes he has a right to run for office. Now why people would still vote for him despite all that, is much more mysterious.
he has a right to run for office.
The Republican party has allowed him to be their candidate for president.
They absolutely could choose to prevent him from having that role if they wanted to.
And they don't want that. Trump is extremely popular within the party. Not sure your point.
He may be popular to some of them, but he's also turned the party into a cult of personality that has abandoned most of what it used to claim to believe in.
When he dies (or loses his ability to attract a crowd), the party will be a husk of its former self. They'll have abandoned their principles which attracted fiscal conservatives in the past, and won't have their cult leader to rally around.
The concept of AI weaponized mass propaganda on social media makes it less mysterious.
They were lost long before AI was unleashed on them, get it right.
AI has been employed in Facebook marketing for over a decade... LLMs are just the latest face of AI, not the full body of it...
Yeah, you don't know what AI is
Cool, what's the totally unambiguous meaning of AI that you have mastery of, m'boy? And why do other people not agree with you? Words mean more than just what you want them to mean
Wow, you couldn’t have put more FUD into that comment even if you tried
I'm just saying 'AI' has been around for, like, 60 years in one form or another. Sorry you've only just heard of it
I still haven't actually
Not actually an insane take tbf
Republicans see whatever they want in their candidates. They even bend to them. I mean "who here has never paid for a prostitute?" Is now something they say to defend Trump. There are no values, their foundation is nothing but their own reflections, and there is no meeting them in the middle, they just move the goal post (which pretty much makes Democrats enablers).
They even bend to them. I mean "who here has never paid for a prostitute?" Is now something they say to defend Trump.
My favorite was when they started chanting "Real men wear diapers!" when it was revealed in court that Donald shits himself and has to wear a diaper.
None of those are legally disqualifying. That's the explanation.
I think the issue is, if we were to make laws saying you cant run for president if you are convicted of a crime or suspected or whatever, it would give incentives to politicians to try to frame or imprison their political rivals. Then there are things like our drug laws that disproportionately target certain groups. All those people would be barred from running too.
It's definitely an issue that needs to be resolved. One of so many....please help
The judges he picked said the presidential office isn’t an office under the constitution so it is up to Republicans whether or not he runs
Democrats vote for candidates they love; Republicans vote for a party they love.
Republicans vote for who is going to do the most damage to America and "own the libs"
Democrats vote for candidates they love
Love? For me that's rare. It's usually me voting for the lesser of two evils.
And that’s why democrat candidates struggle to maintain voters. There are very few lovable democrats, so they don’t get votes. With republicans, it doesn’t matter if the individual candidates are lovable, because they’ll get the party vote regardless.
Money. The answer is money.
people have been screaming the answer at you, yet you ignore it. The American middle class was gutted by outsourcing labor and they're not happy about it. It couldn't get more simple.
But that's a non-answer since Trump's party wants to make a lot of that worse
It's still an answer since most people base their vote on emotions and identity, not rational evaluation of policy.
do you think they even care anymore? They lost everything, they just want to see the world burn. Again, I'm truly shocked by how you all lack empathy and fail to see the obvious.
Would I try to make things better even for strangers if I had no empathy?
I know why plenty of them feel what they feel. But they're assigning blame in the wrong directions, in large part due to propaganda, and that propaganda needs to be countered or else there won't be enough support to actually implement the fixes.
... They do want their problems fixed, right?
lol because Biden is brining the jobs back. Can you tell me one politician you support that is ACTUALLY trying to fix the rust belt? No one is helping them. They have been discarded by society, so they are lashing out.
The Republican governors are actively opting out of federal support programs, what else can the president do?
You know that's what Trump wasn't talking about, and thus what I wasn't talking about.
What are you talking about then? His claim they were authorized to use deadly force?
I'm probably daft and missed the joke.
What are you not talking about then?
ftfy
You both seem to be talking past each other. Funny thing about it is, you are both right about your arguments and make great points. Unfortunately, you both are arguing the wrong people. Fun!
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Mine was an attempt at meta humor based on the op's negative inference sentence structure.
Maybe they were doing an attempt at meta humor based on people talking past each other? Idk, this thread is an impressive mess.
Man I just out two and two together. FlyingSquid was probably referencing how no one died in the “raid” and seathru was probably referencing how a bunch of spies and other sensitive personnel mysteriously disappeared or were killed after Trump had that meeting with Putin and then asked for….spies and sensitive personnel info shortly thereafter.
Maybe its all an attempt at meta humor and all of us are talking past one another?
Seriously though, which one of y’all cuts hair?
I got a flowbee™, lets do this!
They could have. We all know that the president can authorize killing his political opponents. I was told that was very cool.
For all those who did not read or at least skim the article. FlyingSquirrel is referencing Trumps claims that the FBI was authorized to use deadly force when conducting their UnCoNsTiTuTiOnAl raid.
*FlyingSquid
It's okay. I don't mind being a squirrel.
*FlyingSquirrel
*Flying Squid 🙃
For those of you who are confused about what FlyingSquid is talking about, Trump claims the FBI agents were authorized to use lethal force.
You don't know that.
I absolutely do. If someone had died, Trump would never have shut the fuck up about it.
Hell nobody died and he still hasn’t shut the fuck up about it.
The man has never shut the fuck up about anything, ever.
Well except for his currently underway trial that he was totally going to testify in, that the defense just rested their case without him testifying in. Because his lawyers know that not only can he not shut the fuck up, he can’t make it through 3 sentences without telling at least one blatantly obvious lie, and that is a generally unadvisable thing to do when you are under oath.
Unless Trump himself died, and now he is a double.
Edit: I think we should post this conspiracy theory on 4chan.
OMG! It has to be some absolute insanity though like Trump died and OBAMA is pretending to be Trump so that he can get an illegal 3rd term. Their heads would explode lol
Is that why his hair has been a different color recently? They couldn't match it on the double's hair? He has been looking a bit more gray.
He won in 2016 and still brings that up
The former president, in a typically loud post on his social media platform Truth Social, claimed that FBI agents had been authorized to use ‘deadly force’ during the raid of his Florida property
Yet another missed opportunity by Merrick Garland's Department of Justice.
So what days of the week is it that the FBI aren't allowed to use deadly force?
It's dependent on wealth, not date.
They actually use a two point ruler method. One axis is wealth. The other that family guy skin color test.
that family guy skin color test
All he does is lash out and shit his Depends. He is literally a toddler
Literally?
Rage against it all you like, the people have spoken. One of the definitions of "literally" is literally "figuratively" now.
It's not "figuratively". It's more like "figuratively but in a way that's almost literal".
Oh boy, I think this is going to be an inflammable topic of discussion.
I see what you did their.
I nearly died today. Literally. Let me explain; I'm still alive.
Literally has officially been a contranym for a few years now.
Also McDonald Trump
"Please don't be too nice," he said to the audience in Long Island, New York.
"When you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just seen them thrown in, rough. I said, ‘Please don’t be too nice,’" he said.
"When you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head you know, the way you put their hand over [their head]," Trump continued, mimicking the motion. "Like, 'Don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody, don’t hit their head.' I said, 'You can take the hand away, OK?'
"I have to tell you, you know, the laws are so horrendously stacked against us, because for years and years, they've been made to protect the criminal. Totally made to protect the criminal. Not the officers. You do something wrong, you're in more jeopardy than they are," he added.
'Lashes out' every time I see this shit I just imagine him throwing a tantrum like the petulant geriatric child he is.
It is strange he never gets flak for the amount of excuses he has for every situation. It is always someone or some group who is against him.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action"
What's the one millionth time...
"Flooding the zone with shit."
The millionth time is "just the way it is."
Everytime I step in a puddle, my feet get wet. I guess that's just the way it is; nothing I can do about it besides stop stepping in puddles.
Everytime Trump is accused of something he blames someone else...
"status quo"
Compare how and why people cheer for sports teams. If you're affiliated you will support any statement in favor of the team, while ignoring, suppressing, or attacking any statements to the contrary.
You won't debate a Trump troll out of supporting Trump, because it's about belonging to a group and showing loyalty regardless of facts. Honestly I'm not surprised he's doing so well, consider how techy most of us are and still get overwhelmed by what the Internet is shaping up to be. If you're in your 50's from a poor rural area, what chance have you got to stand against weaponized online propaganda?
We are all like this, by the way. The inclination to blind affiliation with groups is the result of very deep, very old, very well studied cognitive structures and behaviors.
Here's some introductory reading that might fundamentally change how you perceive people's participation in groups:
https://www.simplypsychology.org/robbers-cave.html
The Robber's Cave experiment - arbitrarily divide a group into two, and watch the inevitable descent into inter-group conflict (hopeful note: if you make the groups try to overcome a common obstacle, fighting goes away)
Leon Festinger's Cognitive Dissonance Tests - This is an interesting one as well, here's the idea:
Experiment: Infiltrating a doomsday cult before, during, and after the date of their supposed apocalypse, Festinger and his fellow scientists noted that instead of losing faith, members doubled-down on their beliefs after the ‘end times’ came and went — eventually believing that their work saved the world.
Conclusion: When we have two (or more) incompatible thoughts, we adjust them to minimize internal conflict, what Festinger called ‘cognitive dissonance’ — a term that explains the mind state of those unwilling to accept information that conflicts against their belief.
[he] claimed that FBI agents had been authorized to use ‘deadly force’ during the raid of his Florida property
God, I wish that happened.
I mean, aren't they always? If someone starts shooting at an FBI agent they're not going to call their field office for permission to shoot back.
Thinking that way makes you an awful person.
I have no sympathy for people of a political party who loathe my and me friend's entire existences.
I'm an awful person for other reasons, thank you very much.
Great! I have no sympathy for an organization that targets innocent civilians so death to Hamas by any means necessary. Glad we worked that out :)
See how fucking crazy that sounds? >!Please don't give me the same lines about "how can I compare innocent children being starved to blah blah blah" idc. Those "innocent children" are being raped and murdered by Hamas with zero impunity because of *people like you.!<
!Edit: typo!<
I'm not going to even respond this in good faith when your username makes fun of a woman who was slandered by the media for decades for having her baby murdered by a wild animal.
Nothing you're gonna say is going to convince me to support a party that has, for centuries, supported slavery, discrimination against anybody who isn't a cis straight white male and climate change denial, among other things.
Also: Fuck Hamas. Fuck the IDF. Free the Israeli and Palestinian people. See how I can support people while being against militaristic slaughter?
Dumbass.
Nothing you're gonna say is going to convince me to support a party that has, for centuries, supported slavery, discrimination against anybody who isn't a cis straight white male and climate change denial, among other things.
Holy shit you're serious 🤣😂🤭
Honestly at this point I'm just gonna start taking the piss by going through your comment history lmao
A white person is trying to shame a brown person for saying nigga? 😂🤣🤣🤣
Well you should hate both of the made up parties then. Be smarter and stop using tv talking points. Makes you sound stupid.
Rather drink piss than eat shit, unfortunately. Who said I didn't hate our entire political system?
I totally agree but I see it reversed. Trumps policies had the economy going well. He's a douche. But times were better. They ain't getting better under Biden. But fuck me. I've never voted for a dem or republican. Wrote in Wu Tang last time as a protest. Doesn't matter either way. I'm in NY so they go blue with or without me. Fuck em all I say but if I had to pick one (I don't have to and won't) gotta have Trump just to change up from Biden. It'll suck but suck less. We need more and better options. People seem to pick based on one issue. I say the economy is the most important thing even though I believe women should have abortions. But step one and then push real reform to the system so we're not dealing with these dumb choices. I think I'll write in Donald Duck this time.
gotta have Trump just to change up from Biden
Are you seriously saying you support Project 2025? That shit's scary.
Fuck no. You must have misread what I said or you're stupid and don't know what that is. I do. If you think Trump is behind it then you need to turn off the news.
I mean, there's a bunch of studies that say the economy was good and others saying the economy was bad, but it did feel better than now. Probably because of COVID and increasing corporate greed, but I'm not an economics major.
Slightly relevant note: the budget deficit more than doubled by the end of 2019, and the numbers show he added at least 7 billion to the national debt (probably a combination of tax cuts that never quite worked out, COVID-related spending and other things)
I do want to push back on the point of his presidency sucking less - Project 2025, which proposes things like an end of discrimination laws against LGBTQ people, ending funding for programs that benefit low-income groups and complete abandonment of climate change policy, has pretty close ties to Trump's organization and that's pretty worrying.
He's also said some pretty crazy stuff on the campaign trail that worries me greatly, like seeking revenge for his indictments for various charges and calling illegal migrants "animals".
But on the other hand, we have Biden, a man who is clearly on his way out and too scared to deliver on many of his campaign promises.
American politics fuckin' suck.
Is wishing Hitler had died before he did what he did bad? Trump wants to hurt/kill other people. Him being dead would prevent this. He is not an innocent person and is an immediate threat to many. His death would likely be a positive.
(There is the issue of him becoming a martyr if he dies the wrong way. This could cause even more issues potentially.)
Turn off the news stupid. None of what you're saying is even remotely true.
I don’t believe that hurting or killing people is trumps first goal, but if there’s money to be made or his ego to be protected, he won’t care how many people have to die.
He’s proven this over & over - from leaking classified information to Russian officials- which resulted in the deaths of American & ally agents, to botching (and trying to profit from) COVID-19 policies & procedure, which resulted in the deaths of millions, to his insane border policies, to releasing of terrorist leaders to appease his favorite dictators, to his unadvised withdrawal of troops from foreign war zones, and so on.
trump is a menace. Whether it’s because he’s malicious (he is), stupid (he is), or a malignant narcissist (he is) doesn’t really matter.
More media talking points
What would a valid point of discussion be to you? Is there one?
If there is no way your opinion can change then your opinion is not reasonable. If your opinion is not based on reason, why do you hold it?
If all things the media has discussed is off limits, then the only things that remain are things we make up or have seen in person. I don't really take random strangers online at their word, so those aren't reliable sources. So no media, no personal anecdotes. That leaves us with nothing. What sources of information would be appropriate?
I reasonably giving my thoughts. You're parroting bullet points from the media.
The source would be your brain anfter observing all viewpoints. Not just the ones you're told to believe in.
"Source: my brain." Yeah, I'm sure you and anyone else would accept that. That is absolutely stupid if that's the source you accept. Everything anyone writes is synthesizing information using their brain. They may just provide evidence to ensure to others that it's true.
Also, you didn't "reasonably" give your thoughts. You totally dismissed everything because it didn't agree with your opinion. Again, what possible information could change your opinion? If the answer you have is "nothing" (or you can't think of anything) then you should consider why you hold the position you hold.
I used to watch this guy, who does "Street Epistemology," for a while, but I haven't seen anything recently. I guess YouTube decided to to not it. Anyway, you should watch some of this and then consider your opinions in the same frame. If you actually want to think for yourself, like you imply you do, then you need to consider why you think a certain way and hold the opinions that you hold.
Your time is done. Shut up weirdo commie. Nobody likes you anymore. Maybe online but that's not real world shit.
People seem to like me more than fine actually. Are you projecting?
It's funny, instead of actually engaging in conversation and addressing the points, you instead hurl out insults, accusations, and ad hominems. It's almost like you don't have a leg to stand on or something.
I have considered my reasons for my beliefs, and why I even have those reasons to start with. You can't address that. I think the one telling others to think for themselves has some thinking they need to do.
You deserved what you got. Hey, Go have a nice memorial day. I will. You probably don't know so I'll tell you. It's the ones that died to give you the freedom to have any view you want.
The mantra of the Trump supporter when confronted with facts.
Shows how stupid you fucking retards are. I didn't say I was a Trump supporter. You made that leap. Go fuck off. People not online but in the real world are sick and tired of your thought process. It's over.
Surely you can't interpret that as him wanting to protect Palestinians, right?
I could give you other things, like what he said he'll do to and how he's treated transgender people, that is harmful, for example. There's many other similar topics where he as, in the most generous view, unhelpful at best, if not actively harmful. I'm assuming it probably won't change your position if you don't accept the earlier citations and you somehow think I'm wrong still though. If you do care, it's easy to learn more.
Media talking points is all yo have. Pathetic.
Wow, you're a dumb one aren't you. Are you a bot? Everything you post just accuses everyone else of repeating "media talking points" or whatever. You literally have no supporting arguments except saying what others post is invalid. What does that say about your opinion if informed opinions are invalid?
*puts fingers in ears*
"Fake news! Fake news!"
The mantra of the Trump supporter when confronted with facts.
I wouldn't say that if that wasn't what you're doing. Be smarter. Think for yourself. Take in all viewpoints and then decide what you think. All I see is idiots spewing what cnn and msnbc tells them to say. Same way on the other side. There are plenty of morons spewing their shit too. People need to think independently. It's a lost are and is literally why the country is divided. By design.
I linked the AP and The Guardian, not MSNBC. I haven't watched mainstream news (by my own choice) in my life. I'm not repeating media talking points because I got it from the media. I'm repeating media talking points because the media talks about stuff that's relavent.
You need to learn to think at all and to accept that other information can come that doesn't agree with your worldview and that's OK. You should accept that information and adjust your beliefs accordingly, not just dismiss it because it makes you feel bad.
You just proved my point but you're too dumb to realize it.
Is this enough to lock him away and make him irrelevant again? …probably not
You mean make him more popular with the pro-russian anti-vax Qanut base? Absolutely.
If you think locking him up would make him more popular, you fundamentally don't understand Republicans. They value power and hierarchy. They value doing things and getting away with them.
They are not like Democrats and liberals who value ideas. There are no Republican martyrs. When Nixon resigned, Republicans stopped talking to him.
Don't you remember how quiet it was when Biden was elected? Trump couldn't get on TV anymore. Maybe he would call in to a show or two, but he didn't have any rallies and nobody interviewed him. When Republicans go to jail nobody supports them, because they value hierarchy.
The whole point of hierarchy is that you're untouchable.
Exactly. As soon as he's out of sight he's forgotten about. There won't be any martyrdom if he goes to jail. They'll just move on to whoever the angry talking heads stear them towards.
The magats love him because the dems hate him. We'll still hate him when he's in prison, so they'll still love him
Are you sure it wasn't Justice Alito's wife that put it there?
She even stored them upside down. Treacherous shithead.
You might need to have read other stuff to get this joke. It's not my job to provide backstory.
Yeah, Don! The government doesn't belong in anybody's bedroom! You tell 'em!
Honestly, the most shocking thing for me about that search was the fact they've never reported finding CSAM anywhere along with the classified docs. I seriously expected no less of him.
MAGA God, "Let those who do not raw dog pornstars while thier wife is at home taking care of their newborn in her own personal bedroom and store classified material in thier pesonal bedrooms where thier wife will not sleep with them, cast the first stone"
“…cast the first hamberder”
Any statement that begins with WOW!!! Is going to be followed with complete bullshit. Trump isn’t even trying to obscure his gaslighting anymore.
Those weren't his he was just holding them for a friend (Putin).
Maybe his bedroom is just where be conducted his meetings... More hush payments will be necessary.
Just reading material to help him sleep!
Who we kidding he dr.seuss is too advance.
What's he complaining about? Isn't he the one who said the President can do no wrong?
He's not complaining. He's establishing precedent.
That seems like a dumb non-complaint that will nevertheless resonate with his paranoid base.
If you get pulled over for just rolling through a stop sign, did you know THE COP BRINGS THEIR GUN WITH THEM when they approach your car???
Seems like a weird stance to try, considering how right-wing most police are.
That was kind of my point. Trump is trying to speak to his base that has no problems with police violence or guns, but do somehow care when HE complains about how it affects HIM.
Hypocrisy is the name of his game.
Lethal? Don’t give me hope like that!
There has never been an explanation of how a person who is a known rapist, known liar, known fraudster, known thief of classified documents, known seller of information which got operatives killed, is allowed to run for office. It defies explanation.
I have an explanation:
Propaganda works really well.
The things you listed are what someone on the left thinks of Trump.
Someone who is: Tough on Crime™, Fights for Liberty™, Cares for Children™, a Successful Business Man™, Fights Wokeness™, Highly Intelligent™, Protects Democracy™, and Fights for Christianity™, is what those on the right are made to believe Trump is.
Propagandists are why Trump will win again...
I hate propagandists with every fiber of my being.
Not only do they give cover to this piece of shit, they make the right feel as if WE are oppressing and attacking them! They literally put us all in danger by making the right feel threatened by our existence.
This is NOT the same as us saying POLITICIANS on the right putting us in actual danger and actually oppressing us... One is saying Joe schmoe liberal is the danger, the other is saying Mitch Mcfuckbag in the Senate is a danger to us all.
Even though each and every one of those things is a provably blatant lie.
That's one that I don't think right-wingers believe for a moment or care in the slightest about.
"The Greeks were a bunch of woke gays anyway, good riddance" is what a Republican might say if they knew the Greeks invented democracy.
I mean...none of those things are disqualifying for running for office, even if he were convicted of any crimes related to them, which he hasn't been. Trump is a piece of shit, but yes he has a right to run for office. Now why people would still vote for him despite all that, is much more mysterious.
The Republican party has allowed him to be their candidate for president.
They absolutely could choose to prevent him from having that role if they wanted to.
And they don't want that. Trump is extremely popular within the party. Not sure your point.
He may be popular to some of them, but he's also turned the party into a cult of personality that has abandoned most of what it used to claim to believe in.
When he dies (or loses his ability to attract a crowd), the party will be a husk of its former self. They'll have abandoned their principles which attracted fiscal conservatives in the past, and won't have their cult leader to rally around.
The concept of AI weaponized mass propaganda on social media makes it less mysterious.
They were lost long before AI was unleashed on them, get it right.
AI has been employed in Facebook marketing for over a decade... LLMs are just the latest face of AI, not the full body of it...
Yeah, you don't know what AI is
Cool, what's the totally unambiguous meaning of AI that you have mastery of, m'boy? And why do other people not agree with you? Words mean more than just what you want them to mean
Wow, you couldn’t have put more FUD into that comment even if you tried
I'm just saying 'AI' has been around for, like, 60 years in one form or another. Sorry you've only just heard of it
I still haven't actually
Not actually an insane take tbf
Republicans see whatever they want in their candidates. They even bend to them. I mean "who here has never paid for a prostitute?" Is now something they say to defend Trump. There are no values, their foundation is nothing but their own reflections, and there is no meeting them in the middle, they just move the goal post (which pretty much makes Democrats enablers).
My favorite was when they started chanting "Real men wear diapers!" when it was revealed in court that Donald shits himself and has to wear a diaper.
None of those are legally disqualifying. That's the explanation.
I think the issue is, if we were to make laws saying you cant run for president if you are convicted of a crime or suspected or whatever, it would give incentives to politicians to try to frame or imprison their political rivals. Then there are things like our drug laws that disproportionately target certain groups. All those people would be barred from running too.
It's definitely an issue that needs to be resolved. One of so many....please help
The judges he picked said the presidential office isn’t an office under the constitution so it is up to Republicans whether or not he runs
Democrats vote for candidates they love; Republicans vote for a party they love.
Republicans vote for who is going to do the most damage to America and "own the libs"
Love? For me that's rare. It's usually me voting for the lesser of two evils.
And that’s why democrat candidates struggle to maintain voters. There are very few lovable democrats, so they don’t get votes. With republicans, it doesn’t matter if the individual candidates are lovable, because they’ll get the party vote regardless.
Money. The answer is money.
people have been screaming the answer at you, yet you ignore it. The American middle class was gutted by outsourcing labor and they're not happy about it. It couldn't get more simple.
But that's a non-answer since Trump's party wants to make a lot of that worse
It's still an answer since most people base their vote on emotions and identity, not rational evaluation of policy.
do you think they even care anymore? They lost everything, they just want to see the world burn. Again, I'm truly shocked by how you all lack empathy and fail to see the obvious.
Would I try to make things better even for strangers if I had no empathy?
I know why plenty of them feel what they feel. But they're assigning blame in the wrong directions, in large part due to propaganda, and that propaganda needs to be countered or else there won't be enough support to actually implement the fixes.
... They do want their problems fixed, right?
lol because Biden is brining the jobs back. Can you tell me one politician you support that is ACTUALLY trying to fix the rust belt? No one is helping them. They have been discarded by society, so they are lashing out.
The Republican governors are actively opting out of federal support programs, what else can the president do?
https://apnews.com/article/states-rejecting-federal-funds-summer-ebt-8a1e88ad77465652f9de67fda3af8a2d
Republicans have abandoned them, and Republicans pretend it's society at large and not them doing it.
And yet no one died. Weird...
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/26/us/politics/trump-affidavit-intelligence-spies.html
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/
You sure? Could just be coincidence I guess.
You know that's what Trump wasn't talking about, and thus what I wasn't talking about.
What are you talking about then? His claim they were authorized to use deadly force?
I'm probably daft and missed the joke.
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You both seem to be talking past each other. Funny thing about it is, you are both right about your arguments and make great points. Unfortunately, you both are arguing the wrong people. Fun!
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Mine was an attempt at meta humor based on the op's negative inference sentence structure.
Maybe they were doing an attempt at meta humor based on people talking past each other? Idk, this thread is an impressive mess.
Man I just out two and two together. FlyingSquid was probably referencing how no one died in the “raid” and seathru was probably referencing how a bunch of spies and other sensitive personnel mysteriously disappeared or were killed after Trump had that meeting with Putin and then asked for….spies and sensitive personnel info shortly thereafter.
Maybe its all an attempt at meta humor and all of us are talking past one another?
Seriously though, which one of y’all cuts hair?
I got a flowbee™, lets do this!
They could have. We all know that the president can authorize killing his political opponents. I was told that was very cool.
For all those who did not read or at least skim the article. FlyingSquirrel is referencing Trumps claims that the FBI was authorized to use deadly force when conducting their UnCoNsTiTuTiOnAl raid.
*FlyingSquid
It's okay. I don't mind being a squirrel.
*FlyingSquirrel
*Flying Squid 🙃
For those of you who are confused about what FlyingSquid is talking about, Trump claims the FBI agents were authorized to use lethal force.
You don't know that.
I absolutely do. If someone had died, Trump would never have shut the fuck up about it.
Hell nobody died and he still hasn’t shut the fuck up about it.
The man has never shut the fuck up about anything, ever.
Well except for his currently underway trial that he was totally going to testify in, that the defense just rested their case without him testifying in. Because his lawyers know that not only can he not shut the fuck up, he can’t make it through 3 sentences without telling at least one blatantly obvious lie, and that is a generally unadvisable thing to do when you are under oath.
Unless Trump himself died, and now he is a double.
Edit: I think we should post this conspiracy theory on 4chan.
OMG! It has to be some absolute insanity though like Trump died and OBAMA is pretending to be Trump so that he can get an illegal 3rd term. Their heads would explode lol
Is that why his hair has been a different color recently? They couldn't match it on the double's hair? He has been looking a bit more gray.
He won in 2016 and still brings that up
Yet another missed opportunity by Merrick Garland's Department of Justice.
So what days of the week is it that the FBI aren't allowed to use deadly force?
It's dependent on wealth, not date.
They actually use a two point ruler method. One axis is wealth. The other that family guy skin color test.
All he does is lash out and shit his Depends. He is literally a toddler
Literally?
Rage against it all you like, the people have spoken. One of the definitions of "literally" is literally "figuratively" now.
It's not "figuratively". It's more like "figuratively but in a way that's almost literal".
Oh boy, I think this is going to be an inflammable topic of discussion.
I see what you did their.
I nearly died today. Literally. Let me explain; I'm still alive.
Literally has officially been a contranym for a few years now.
Also McDonald Trump
"Please don't be too nice," he said to the audience in Long Island, New York.
"When you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon, you just seen them thrown in, rough. I said, ‘Please don’t be too nice,’" he said.
"When you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head you know, the way you put their hand over [their head]," Trump continued, mimicking the motion. "Like, 'Don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody, don’t hit their head.' I said, 'You can take the hand away, OK?'
"I have to tell you, you know, the laws are so horrendously stacked against us, because for years and years, they've been made to protect the criminal. Totally made to protect the criminal. Not the officers. You do something wrong, you're in more jeopardy than they are," he added.
Lashes out = pouts like a spoilt lil baby
'Lashes out' every time I see this shit I just imagine him throwing a tantrum like the petulant geriatric child he is.
It is strange he never gets flak for the amount of excuses he has for every situation. It is always someone or some group who is against him.
"Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action"
What's the one millionth time...
"Flooding the zone with shit."
The millionth time is "just the way it is."
Everytime I step in a puddle, my feet get wet. I guess that's just the way it is; nothing I can do about it besides stop stepping in puddles.
Everytime Trump is accused of something he blames someone else...
"status quo"
Compare how and why people cheer for sports teams. If you're affiliated you will support any statement in favor of the team, while ignoring, suppressing, or attacking any statements to the contrary.
You won't debate a Trump troll out of supporting Trump, because it's about belonging to a group and showing loyalty regardless of facts. Honestly I'm not surprised he's doing so well, consider how techy most of us are and still get overwhelmed by what the Internet is shaping up to be. If you're in your 50's from a poor rural area, what chance have you got to stand against weaponized online propaganda?
We are all like this, by the way. The inclination to blind affiliation with groups is the result of very deep, very old, very well studied cognitive structures and behaviors.
Here's some introductory reading that might fundamentally change how you perceive people's participation in groups:
https://thedecisionlab.com/reference-guide/sociology/conformity
Sherif's autokinetic experiment - if enough people around you believe something, you'll soon believe it too
https://www.simplypsychology.org/asch-conformity.html
A similar experiment performed by Solomon Asch
https://www.simplypsychology.org/robbers-cave.html
The Robber's Cave experiment - arbitrarily divide a group into two, and watch the inevitable descent into inter-group conflict (hopeful note: if you make the groups try to overcome a common obstacle, fighting goes away)
Leon Festinger's Cognitive Dissonance Tests - This is an interesting one as well, here's the idea:
Experiment: Infiltrating a doomsday cult before, during, and after the date of their supposed apocalypse, Festinger and his fellow scientists noted that instead of losing faith, members doubled-down on their beliefs after the ‘end times’ came and went — eventually believing that their work saved the world.
Conclusion: When we have two (or more) incompatible thoughts, we adjust them to minimize internal conflict, what Festinger called ‘cognitive dissonance’ — a term that explains the mind state of those unwilling to accept information that conflicts against their belief.
God, I wish that happened.
I mean, aren't they always? If someone starts shooting at an FBI agent they're not going to call their field office for permission to shoot back.
Thinking that way makes you an awful person.
I have no sympathy for people of a political party who loathe my and me friend's entire existences.
I'm an awful person for other reasons, thank you very much.
Great! I have no sympathy for an organization that targets innocent civilians so death to Hamas by any means necessary. Glad we worked that out :)
See how fucking crazy that sounds? >!Please don't give me the same lines about "how can I compare innocent children being starved to blah blah blah" idc. Those "innocent children" are being raped and murdered by Hamas with zero impunity because of *people like you.!<
I'm not going to even respond this in good faith when your username makes fun of a woman who was slandered by the media for decades for having her baby murdered by a wild animal.
Nothing you're gonna say is going to convince me to support a party that has, for centuries, supported slavery, discrimination against anybody who isn't a cis straight white male and climate change denial, among other things.
Also: Fuck Hamas. Fuck the IDF. Free the Israeli and Palestinian people. See how I can support people while being against militaristic slaughter?
Dumbass.
Holy shit you're serious 🤣😂🤭
Honestly at this point I'm just gonna start taking the piss by going through your comment history lmao
A white person is trying to shame a brown person for saying nigga? 😂🤣🤣🤣
Well you should hate both of the made up parties then. Be smarter and stop using tv talking points. Makes you sound stupid.
Rather drink piss than eat shit, unfortunately. Who said I didn't hate our entire political system?
I totally agree but I see it reversed. Trumps policies had the economy going well. He's a douche. But times were better. They ain't getting better under Biden. But fuck me. I've never voted for a dem or republican. Wrote in Wu Tang last time as a protest. Doesn't matter either way. I'm in NY so they go blue with or without me. Fuck em all I say but if I had to pick one (I don't have to and won't) gotta have Trump just to change up from Biden. It'll suck but suck less. We need more and better options. People seem to pick based on one issue. I say the economy is the most important thing even though I believe women should have abortions. But step one and then push real reform to the system so we're not dealing with these dumb choices. I think I'll write in Donald Duck this time.
Are you seriously saying you support Project 2025? That shit's scary.
Fuck no. You must have misread what I said or you're stupid and don't know what that is. I do. If you think Trump is behind it then you need to turn off the news.
I mean, there's a bunch of studies that say the economy was good and others saying the economy was bad, but it did feel better than now. Probably because of COVID and increasing corporate greed, but I'm not an economics major.
Slightly relevant note: the budget deficit more than doubled by the end of 2019, and the numbers show he added at least 7 billion to the national debt (probably a combination of tax cuts that never quite worked out, COVID-related spending and other things)
I do want to push back on the point of his presidency sucking less - Project 2025, which proposes things like an end of discrimination laws against LGBTQ people, ending funding for programs that benefit low-income groups and complete abandonment of climate change policy, has pretty close ties to Trump's organization and that's pretty worrying.
He's also said some pretty crazy stuff on the campaign trail that worries me greatly, like seeking revenge for his indictments for various charges and calling illegal migrants "animals".
But on the other hand, we have Biden, a man who is clearly on his way out and too scared to deliver on many of his campaign promises.
American politics fuckin' suck.
Is wishing Hitler had died before he did what he did bad? Trump wants to hurt/kill other people. Him being dead would prevent this. He is not an innocent person and is an immediate threat to many. His death would likely be a positive.
(There is the issue of him becoming a martyr if he dies the wrong way. This could cause even more issues potentially.)
Turn off the news stupid. None of what you're saying is even remotely true.
I don’t believe that hurting or killing people is trumps first goal, but if there’s money to be made or his ego to be protected, he won’t care how many people have to die.
He’s proven this over & over - from leaking classified information to Russian officials- which resulted in the deaths of American & ally agents, to botching (and trying to profit from) COVID-19 policies & procedure, which resulted in the deaths of millions, to his insane border policies, to releasing of terrorist leaders to appease his favorite dictators, to his unadvised withdrawal of troops from foreign war zones, and so on.
trump is a menace. Whether it’s because he’s malicious (he is), stupid (he is), or a malignant narcissist (he is) doesn’t really matter.
More media talking points
What would a valid point of discussion be to you? Is there one?
If there is no way your opinion can change then your opinion is not reasonable. If your opinion is not based on reason, why do you hold it?
If all things the media has discussed is off limits, then the only things that remain are things we make up or have seen in person. I don't really take random strangers online at their word, so those aren't reliable sources. So no media, no personal anecdotes. That leaves us with nothing. What sources of information would be appropriate?
I reasonably giving my thoughts. You're parroting bullet points from the media.
The source would be your brain anfter observing all viewpoints. Not just the ones you're told to believe in.
"Source: my brain." Yeah, I'm sure you and anyone else would accept that. That is absolutely stupid if that's the source you accept. Everything anyone writes is synthesizing information using their brain. They may just provide evidence to ensure to others that it's true.
Also, you didn't "reasonably" give your thoughts. You totally dismissed everything because it didn't agree with your opinion. Again, what possible information could change your opinion? If the answer you have is "nothing" (or you can't think of anything) then you should consider why you hold the position you hold.
I used to watch this guy, who does "Street Epistemology," for a while, but I haven't seen anything recently. I guess YouTube decided to to not it. Anyway, you should watch some of this and then consider your opinions in the same frame. If you actually want to think for yourself, like you imply you do, then you need to consider why you think a certain way and hold the opinions that you hold.
Your time is done. Shut up weirdo commie. Nobody likes you anymore. Maybe online but that's not real world shit.
People seem to like me more than fine actually. Are you projecting?
It's funny, instead of actually engaging in conversation and addressing the points, you instead hurl out insults, accusations, and ad hominems. It's almost like you don't have a leg to stand on or something.
I have considered my reasons for my beliefs, and why I even have those reasons to start with. You can't address that. I think the one telling others to think for themselves has some thinking they need to do.
You deserved what you got. Hey, Go have a nice memorial day. I will. You probably don't know so I'll tell you. It's the ones that died to give you the freedom to have any view you want.
*puts fingers in ears*
The mantra of the Trump supporter when confronted with facts.
Shows how stupid you fucking retards are. I didn't say I was a Trump supporter. You made that leap. Go fuck off. People not online but in the real world are sick and tired of your thought process. It's over.
For his stance on Palestine alone:
“Get it over with and let’s get back to peace and stop killing people. And that’s a very simple statement,” Trump said. “They have to get it done. Get it over with and get it over with fast because we have to -- you have to get back to normalcy and peace.”
The former president also pledged to bar refugees from Gaza under an expansion of his first-term travel ban on Muslim-majority countries; expel immigrants who sympathize with Hamas; revoke the visas of foreign students deemed “anti-American” or “antisemitic”; and impose “strong ideological screening” to keep out foreign nationals who “want to abolish Israel”.
Surely you can't interpret that as him wanting to protect Palestinians, right?
I could give you other things, like what he said he'll do to and how he's treated transgender people, that is harmful, for example. There's many other similar topics where he as, in the most generous view, unhelpful at best, if not actively harmful. I'm assuming it probably won't change your position if you don't accept the earlier citations and you somehow think I'm wrong still though. If you do care, it's easy to learn more.
Media talking points is all yo have. Pathetic.
Wow, you're a dumb one aren't you. Are you a bot? Everything you post just accuses everyone else of repeating "media talking points" or whatever. You literally have no supporting arguments except saying what others post is invalid. What does that say about your opinion if informed opinions are invalid?
*puts fingers in ears*
The mantra of the Trump supporter when confronted with facts.
I wouldn't say that if that wasn't what you're doing. Be smarter. Think for yourself. Take in all viewpoints and then decide what you think. All I see is idiots spewing what cnn and msnbc tells them to say. Same way on the other side. There are plenty of morons spewing their shit too. People need to think independently. It's a lost are and is literally why the country is divided. By design.
I linked the AP and The Guardian, not MSNBC. I haven't watched mainstream news (by my own choice) in my life. I'm not repeating media talking points because I got it from the media. I'm repeating media talking points because the media talks about stuff that's relavent.
You need to learn to think at all and to accept that other information can come that doesn't agree with your worldview and that's OK. You should accept that information and adjust your beliefs accordingly, not just dismiss it because it makes you feel bad.
You just proved my point but you're too dumb to realize it.
Lol.
Is this enough to lock him away and make him irrelevant again? …probably not
You mean make him more popular with the pro-russian anti-vax Qanut base? Absolutely.
If you think locking him up would make him more popular, you fundamentally don't understand Republicans. They value power and hierarchy. They value doing things and getting away with them.
They are not like Democrats and liberals who value ideas. There are no Republican martyrs. When Nixon resigned, Republicans stopped talking to him.
Don't you remember how quiet it was when Biden was elected? Trump couldn't get on TV anymore. Maybe he would call in to a show or two, but he didn't have any rallies and nobody interviewed him. When Republicans go to jail nobody supports them, because they value hierarchy.
The whole point of hierarchy is that you're untouchable.
Exactly. As soon as he's out of sight he's forgotten about. There won't be any martyrdom if he goes to jail. They'll just move on to whoever the angry talking heads stear them towards.
The magats love him because the dems hate him. We'll still hate him when he's in prison, so they'll still love him
Are you sure it wasn't Justice Alito's wife that put it there?
She even stored them upside down. Treacherous shithead.
You might need to have read other stuff to get this joke. It's not my job to provide backstory.
Yeah, Don! The government doesn't belong in anybody's bedroom! You tell 'em!
Honestly, the most shocking thing for me about that search was the fact they've never reported finding CSAM anywhere along with the classified docs. I seriously expected no less of him.
MAGA God, "Let those who do not raw dog pornstars while thier wife is at home taking care of their newborn in her own personal bedroom and store classified material in thier pesonal bedrooms where thier wife will not sleep with them, cast the first stone"
“…cast the first hamberder”
Any statement that begins with WOW!!! Is going to be followed with complete bullshit. Trump isn’t even trying to obscure his gaslighting anymore.
Those weren't his he was just holding them for a friend (Putin).
Maybe his bedroom is just where be conducted his meetings... More hush payments will be necessary.
Just reading material to help him sleep! Who we kidding he dr.seuss is too advance.
Apparently not just for him!
Convefe!!
Poor diddums...