Megathread for Reddit Blackouts and News - Day 2

alyaza [they/she]@beehaw.orgmod to Technology@beehaw.org – 167 points –

hey everyone. if you want to post links or discuss the Reddit blackout today, please localize it to this thread in order to keep things tidy! Thanks!

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I don't care about fixing Reddit and I don't care about teaching Reddit a lesson. I don't care if the site buckles or continues to hold on and grow while they regulalry downgrade their service as they have been doing for the 10 years I've been an active user. No protest of anything Reddit has done has ever caused Reddit to reconsider what they're doing. Reddit does not care about anything because it's not a person. It's a business entity which will attempt by any means to maximise profit. Having a functional website or having human users or moderation at all are not strictly necessary to secure investment or generate ad revenue. Doing what investors want them to do, regardless of the actual effect it may have long-term, is what will get them investment now. That is more important to Reddit than everything else put together. There's no mastermind, no one's at the wheel, no idiot is unilaterally making decisions like a king. There's only the inevitable consequences of the collective decisions of businesspeople participating in corporate capitalism.

The main reason I don't care is that I don't have to care anymore. The Fediverse has been a breath of fresh air after a very long time.

No reason to go back and every reason not to. The Fediverse is my home now.

Right? This was always bound to happen. The only way it wouldn't be innevitable would require Reddit be a non-profit or co-op or equivalent. Which it certainly isn't.

I also agree, the sudden breath into the fediverse (I've been poking my head in since I ran a nextcloud instance and they had a plugin for the fediverse called nextcloud social.). This place isn't just a handful of OSS developers and enthusiasts anymore, but something starting to resemble a community of all types.

It reminds me of when Reddit was good, way back in like 2010 (for me) - but it feels more consequential now!

no idiot is unilaterally making decisions like a king.

Every decision is made by one person or a party of people specifically saying "Yes" to it. Whether they are "idiot[s]" is up for debate, but every single event involving anything artificial is decided by a person/people, not merely a faceless system.

I don't care about fixing reddit either, I don't care if it lives or dies, not anymore, tho it wouldn't be bad IMO teaching the CEO a lesson in humility.

Hard to teach humility to a dude who is surrounded by institutional investors funneling millions into his pockets.

But yeah I hope this is ruining his sleep

No protest of anything Reddit has done has ever caused Reddit to reconsider what they’re doing

To be fair, they did fire that pedo mod they hired. Eventually.

AskHistorians is taking the approach of “blackout for two days, then read-only moving forward indefinitely.” I think that’s a good approach as it still removes the functionality of the subreddit while reminding people of what they’re missing out on due to the admins’ actions.

I know there are bigger subs, but AskHistorians is an absolute jewel in Reddit’s crown. For all the dumpster fire subs that raise controversy and drag Reddit’s image down, AskHistorians is the one sub that could always be pointed to as a sub with an inarguably positive impact. It’s also a sub in a unique position because its moderators are probably the hardest for Reddit to replace, because many of them are the historians that answer the questions, or have personal relationships with those that do. In addition most of the historians aren’t really Redditors, participating only on AskHistorians. Removing the current mod team and replacing them would absolutely 100% kill the sub forever.

Not that I have any faith in Reddit to do the right thing. I just think it’s interesting to realize just how different of a position AskHistorians in than the rest of the subreddits, being at the same time more impactful than their subscriber numbers show, while being fragile enough to be permanently broken if handled poorly. They are also one of the only mod teams I’ve see who have issued a list of actionable goals that Reddit can address.

Also it’s interesting to see that their participation in the blackout is almost entirely on Spez’s head. That’s some damn fine CEOing there, Lou.

The askhistorians subreddit and it's mod team are absolute gems, I was able to attend one of their talks at a conference and it was honestly one of the best presentations I've seen at these types of events. It is giant loss to the academic community to have them shut down tbh, and I hope they are able to migrate and keep their audience.

But then again knowing Reddit, if they migrate u/spez will probably allow Holocaust deniers to take up the space or something.

I hope one of the archive projects (archiveTeam or others) has backed up r/askhistorians past posts and comments, just in case.

Oh, I hope so as well, that sub is absolutely precious. When people talked about nuking their account(which I get it) it was for post like those that I feared for.

This is just my personal opinion. The 2 day blackout for me, never meant for people to pack their bags and leave Reddit entirely. It's not a very easy task to do, and honestly, there is still lots of contents and friends back in reddit. Reddit can be sure that lots of people will simply come back, and spez will grinning while working his way to his beloved IPO.

However, the 2 day blackout has opened a new world of alternatives to Reddit. Now people know other places and other communities that can replace Reddit as a whole. Yes, Reddit will still be an influential website. Yes, Reddit will still be money driven. Yes, spez will not budge. But we can.

To me, Reddit will not crash, burn and crushed to ash. But rather, it's either went the FB way, relying to lots of ads and older demographics to sustain, or simply becoming Myspace or Digg, a distant memory that's only in name.

Just my 1/2 cents.

Yeah I wouldn't have ever signed up for lemmy if this api thing hadn't come about. This is my first fediverse experience. I was pissed at reddit, but now I don't care about reddit one way or another. Lemmy has gained enough users to sustain itself even if there is no more mass migration. There is an active community here that will help lemmy grow organically over time.

Mastodon’s story feels pretty similar Starts off as a small project, Twitter becomes worse due to corporate capitalism, mass influx is users some of those stay. Twitter still exists, but mastodon now is known and used interchangeably.

relying to lots of ads and older demographics low-literacy masses to sustain

FIFY

Among the "older demographics" there are the most "nerdy" people, those born when personal computers and the internet didn't exist, those growing up together with technology, used to a world when corporations didn't destroy the good of sharing knowledge.

Those are the people most likely to rebel to what reddit is doing and find their way out if it, because they know it's possible, because they've seen it before.

Youngest people are used to how the world is nowadays because it's all they've seen, but they can be shown the difference if they'll willing to listen.

Low-literacy masses are those who don't listen, people of that sort exist in every age "range" and are unfortunately the majority of content "consumers".

Exactly, I'm 'older' but I grew up with the internet in the 90s and know what it was before it turned into a monetized cesspool of corporate trash.

I'm trying to figure out what kind of blackout you're talking about. I open up (oh my God, I feel like a heretic) Reddit and guess what? Hardly anything has changed on Reddit. My feed is still there. Yes, a grand total of five ever-fronting subs stopped working, ten more subs took a formal vote, and... it's still the same. Every social network goes the way of monetizing content. I first joined Reddit in 2015, at the time it was an incomprehensible pseudo-social network with an awkward interface. It took almost 18 years before Reddit became usable. But blackout is still a long way off. While kbin/lemmy is consolidated by the thought of blackout, but people can't stay in suspense for long.

It's still refreshing to see how many subreddits ended up joining the blackout. Over 8000 joined, including some big ones, and (as of posting) 6800 are still either private or restricted.

I don't think the monetisation of content is inevitable for social media . It's inevitable for companies driven by profit who fully control a platform if that company wants to survive - but there are other ways to structure a community that doesn't rely on centralised platforms run by a business.

I guess we might see if i'm right over the next decade or two. I hope I am.

Reddit relies on user generated content, so it if the few users who actually generate entertaining stuff take their business elsewhere it will go the way of Myspace and DIgg. Because there is already a Facebook for old people.

Yeah, don't hold your breath for a Lemmy/kbin port of Apollo:

The amount of work it would take to port all the API endpoints over to Lemmy or Kbin or something, that would be a gargantuan amount of work that I’m not sure I have the capacity for. And then just the complexity of making it work. Long term, it’s a big question mark for me that, at this stage, I’m not sure I’m totally interested in pursuing. But it’s also one of those things where I completely wish it the best. And if something that was decentralized kind of became the norm, I think that would definitely be a win for everybody.

Great interview from Christian there, it really is so frustrating that Reddit is and has been so hostile towards him. :(

Can you imagine the dumbasses at Reddit corporate thinking they could turn him into a villain? lol

The leadership is so incredibly dumb that it almost feels like sabotage.

Honestly, it was probably intentional. People shit on spez (rightfully) but he's doing his job perfectly. He's looking like an incompetent man child, and finger pointing at a third party using an obviously and probably intentionally weak narrative. He's put all the focus on himself and how stupid he looks. He's a punching bag, and in the mean time everyone at the corporate level that actually enacted these changes and is forcing this platform shift is remaining a) anonymous and b) out of the crosshairs.

I disagree that the punching bag strategy is effective - even looking beyond the obvious example w/ knock-on effects Elon has done from Twitter -> Tesla, you've got Adam Neumann w/ WeWork, Travis Kalanick w/ Uber, etc. who've taken similar personality deflection strategies - it only caused more long-term harm than good for both medium-term operations and brand reputation.

It's not a sustainable strategy and it's pretty cringy to see it happen from an investor perspective.

Ah, the business world.

Fucks over Ellen Pao so that all hatred is directed at her, discovers a few years later that corporate can do the same to him.

surprisedpikachu

Although, I think he hasn't actually learned this yet and still believes he's doing a great job. His comments a few years ago about how he "sees [himself] as a leader, rather than a slave" speak to his arrogance (and also his weird philosophies; I'm pretty sure this is a dude who unironically considers himself a real life Hank Rearden... shiver).

It'll actually be really funny if they just knock him out of the way just before the IPO. CEO makes bad decisions and proves to be a liability. IPO not looking as profitable. Get rid of CEO to gain trust from investors? Launch IPO. Take the money and run. Of course, the decisions were on them as well, but of course they'll claim no credit for it.

I'm sure he has contingencies in place, but still. It would be a hilarious end to his tenure if something like that happened.

This is pretty much what I was going to say. I don't think that people understand quite how the pseudo libertarian tech bro mentality still permeates this space, and in particular with reddit. The site has always been this way, so if you've been around for a while, you've been around to this play out many times. Free speech is some absolutely inviolate principle that requires reddit to platform pedophiles (jailbait) and pics of dead kids, until it's not because it gets bad press and starts to affect financials and some overlord steps in, and then, just like in the real world, when my libertarian ideal starts to negatively impact me, it goes out the window. Repeat ad nauseum.

These people also tend to think that every bit of success they have is only because of them, even though in the case of reddit, most of the success that it's had has happened in spite of them. One of Reddit's defining aspects used to be ama's. Reddit fired the person responsible for making them great. Reddit completely missed mobile even more than Twitter did, and then when they finally got there they did it poorly and can still attribute most of the success to third party developers. Nothing really since the core product stabilized in like 2008 has been meaningful, it's been about the community the entire time.

I would still be willing to bet that spez and reddit think that their rugged individualist genius is the reason that reddit is as big when that's all largely happened in spite of them. None of them will admit the truth - they had a good basic idea at the right time, and they've succeeded since based on the backs of a bunch of people they'll never give credit to, and as soon as they stop listening to those people they fade from relevance. And even though they have plenty examples to look to (the juxtaposition of this compared to twitter is really something) they don't learn from it.

I’m pretty he just wants to go take a week long nap before answering any more questions.

Relay for android gave in to Reddit's demands ... thoughts?

I think this is a bad sign for everyone protesting the changes... a major app giving in makes the rest of the apps look bad for complaining imo https://www.androidpolice.com/popular-android-reddit-app-may-survive-absurd-api-pricing/

The relay creator did the math and came to the conclusion that an subscription model might maybe work but it would be to tight. It reads as the person is saying that it is unfeasonable.

You say he gave in? As far as I can read that is stated nowhere.

Even if the apps would comply;

  • Reddit will jack the prices again when they see fit.
  • Reddit also wins with this pricing because they are gonna pocket the cash.

>Reddit will limit 'Recommend' and NFSW content to its official app. >

And ohw yeah you are gonna get less content for your subscription. It is all in bad faith.

I think that a forced paid subscription will probably kill it anyway long term, who in their right mind would pay a subscription to access Reddit?

Also don't forget that thes app owners themselves are running a business and probably make a bunch of money from their apps that they don't want to see evaporate with the changes.

Another good point he made is about how he's calculating this. He's projecting current usage into the sub model.

But he's probably very right that casuals will probably leave and power users will probably pay. So it's the Spotify problem, your power users use you more costing you more but they don't pay more so you start going in the red. Considering relay is not a VC backed app or anything like that. One miscalculation and one bad month and you could see thousands of dollars in surprise costs.

I didn't know api changes means 3rd party apps no longer can show nsfw content. Nobody's going to pay a subscription and not be able to see stuff that they can see on the official app. Looks like reddit is giving all 3rd party app developers a shitty deal whichever way you cut it.

I can't blame him if he wants his app to survive. I used the pro version for years and would happily payed the planed subscription. But because the vast majority, if not all of the money goes to Reddit I just can't bring myself to do it. I hope his calculations are correct and if they are not, I hope he doesn't falls into dept.

I can't blame the 3P Devs for dealing with this situation as they see fit. It feels like shooting the messenger ...

I don't know how to feel about this, that's the app I use and was mad about losing... I already bought the paid version a long time ago but now it's moving to a subscription model so I guess that doesn't count anymore...

The base subscription could cost $2 per month, with an extra $1 for message notifications to account for the additional API calls that such polling incurs.

I just had a Rollercoaster of emotions. I was sad and angry to see relay go be sure it's been with me for idk how long (more than 10 years? Has it been that long?). But then losing relay would severely cut my reddit time and lemmy being a lot smaller meant that I could potentially kick this habit. So was kind of excited.

Then I read your message that relay is not going and I'm like "fuck! My addiction will never be cured!" Then saw its a subscription model and now I'm really conflicted.

I'm in the same boat. It was my go-to app, and at first, I was happy that it will stay open - but during the last few days, I realized more and more... I don't care anymore. Not about relay, but about reddit itself.

I've uninstalled relay on sunday - and never missed it on my phone. I just stopped wasting time and did better things with my time. At this point in time, I can't see myself putting out $2 a month just to get angry at ragebait again.

I'm glad to see there's been more of a push for previously '48 hours only' subreddits to move to an indefinite blackout - but I wish that more of them had committed earlier. That leaked internal email shows exactly what I already expected; they just see the protesting Redditors as a bunch of whiny babies who they expect to give up after a couple days and forget the whole thing.

I’m not giving up. 11 year account deleted. I might read stuff on Reddit from time to time, but it will be without an account, in a private tab, through a vpn, with an ad blocker on.

there are also a lot of subreddits that went readonly. which doesn't hurt much. when the first google result for something is a functional readonly reddit page, reddit has succeeded. When the first result I click is a message about the issue we're facing that is much worse for reddit.

At the same time, the couple of subs posting the images and only the images are causing /r/all to have some anti-reddit commentary.

Either way, r/all doesnt look that different. Ok, normal-reddit-for-thing isnt on the front page, instead smaller-reddit-for-thing is there.

I'm sure moderators will plan more, but I think it's going to be difficult to maintain coordination and whether I like it or not, I get reddits approach to just ignore this.

It's functional for the users, but not for Reddit who wants more data/engagement.

But yeah, the smaller reddit thingy is true. r/thesims4 was open when r/sims4 was not.

hang on, what leaked internal email, do you know where I can find that?

Here you go! https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman

i want to call complete BS on them making it out like the Redditors protesting would physically assault the staff. Guess that’s probably a reasonable thing now though. People are whacked in the head.

It at least seems like an attempt to push an "us" vs. "them" mentality.

Seems on brand after the CEO doubled down on falsely accusing the Apollo dev of blackmail, even though the Apollo dev posted the recordings proving otherwise.

Yep. That was the point I became what he calls a ”whiny “ person and deleted my account.

He wasn't content on slandering the Apollo Dev, now he's slandering all of us

I thought that was quite an escalation also. But maybe their health & safety committee reccomended it. Probably just trying to make the workers feel embattled and unsafe so they would avoid engaging with the issues and stay to reddits side. Its a PUA kind of doublespeak; spez is the one actually making the threat. But in a way it seems to come from us.

To be a fly on the wall at the water cooler. Please reddit workers, leak a zoom call.

I wonder if things are as tense as was shown in that video from reddit HQ.

was hovering over the link like "is this going to be a rick roll or something?"

so I click it and YES this is literally what I was imagining. not the rick roll, the previous comment. fucking brilliant. in the comments it says it is the last post to /r/videos

a lot of people mentioning ./ and digg here. on ./ there was this "first post" joke. it was very boring even at that time IMHO. but now is the moment to be thinking about "last post" if you are a person who has "last post" powers.

i like the part where he implies that redditors are so deranged they will physically assault his employees.

I'm surprised how quickly I've adapted to fediverse, Mastodon just didn't fill-in for twitter in the way that the lemmy instances have, once I learned how they work together.

Now that I have gotten over the first hump, it feels new and exciting enough to make up for the lack of diverse content. I really think lemmy/kbin can be the platforms that push forward an interoperable, self-custodial social media.

I agree, the inherit fragmentation in the fediverse architecture has a certain negative impact on the microblogging experience for me (but I still won’t go back to a centralized platform ever again), but for Lemmy/kbin it fits perfectly. Link aggregation sites are already fragmented into separate communities by design.

Yepp, it works surprisingly well. I assume one of the similar communities will eventually "win" on one of the instances, like with similar subreddits over time. Also some instances will go full specific, like nature or movies or gaming etc. See the growth of lemmynsfw already, lol.

I'm really liking it a lot. I wasn't too amused by Mastodon either, but as you say: for link aggregation, for specific communities, for discussing topics (and not being about people, but about topics) this is a perfect match.

I even view the fragmentation problem in niche communities as a feature not a bug. Don't like the coffee community on one instance? Try checking out the coffee community on a different instance. You might like the second group of people better

Seeing as you've mentioned it, do you happen to know of any coffee communities on here?

Edit: I've found !coffee@lemmy.world

Presumably it's only going to get better over time. I was afraid I'd lose this part of the internet when Reddit went full corpo, but to be honest the quality of discussion on Lemmy makes up for the diminished content.

Honestly, my discussions have been nicer over here on the fediverse than they were on most parts of Reddit.

It's like small town, big city. Smaller communities are usually happier and more friendly.

I do want it to continue growing, but I will be enjoying it while it lasts.

For sure. Which is another great thing about this decentralization. If a community gets too big and has too many asshats, you can easily break off into another instance!

I don't think Lemmy will be immune to that, but I think the decentralization will help a lot in controlling that negative aspect.

Same. Ive already started using lemmy as a place to find solutions to my problems. I just dont google "problem reddit". I go to lemmy search bar and browse "specific keyword not working". Been working with certaib topics, and its only gonna get better from now on

Oh yeah, Lemmy has a usable search bar! Kinda forgot that it can be useful after using Reddit for so long.

What I am also doing is when the solution is only on reddit, I will create a new topic with it in a lemmy instance.

Also important topics should be backed up in internet.archive.

Same. Good mobile and desktop UI, and a passionate community are big wins here.

r/piracy with a message to use lemmy:

!piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

This is a sub that could really benefit from just leaving reddit entirely anyways. Potentially being able to have more open discussions centered around piracy would make the content of that sub so much better.

Is the exclamation mark command meant to trigger a link? It doesn't do anything for me. My "home" lemmy is lemm.ee if that makes a difference.

Lots of Fediverse stuff works like you might know email to work, i.e. thing@place.com, no matter where your email is hosted, you can send and receive messages from other hosts.

In this Case, the piracy community, within the lemmy.dbzer0.com domain, you should be able to copy-paste the !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, or any community like it, into the search bar of your home lemmy server and be able to subscribe.

I'm not sure how to make a link to communities so that it works for everyone sorry. But yeah the ! Does indicate a community usually

This has been absolutely wild. Sadly, it's not that surprising and the corporate speak is strong. While Reddit likely won't change, the "type" of users that will leave over this is the kind of users that made Reddit the community it is today. These are all likely active members from Fark, Slashdot, Digg, and others.

Good news though, we've got a group of people that are experienced in making fantastic communities. I'll bet we'll do it again. We'll see how this goes with the Fedditverse/Threadverse via Lemmy/kbin. I'm sure we'll figure this community/magazine thing out soon enough.

Sometimes all we can control is how we react to the situation.

I find it a bit disheartening that a lot of comments on Reddit (I know I'm mostly staying away) are labeling us, the people who take issue with not only the API pricing but the entire direction the site is going, snowflakes and whiny babies.

A lot of "I don't cares" and "I just want to use the site not see this useless protest" etc. I remember a time when reddit could come together and actually get results (for better and for worse).

Even the way people comment is different. Seems like a lot more low effort, mouth breather posts, or suspiciously bad faith arguments that I see in response to the increasingly rare thoughtful/informative dialogue in the form of posts or comments.

I'm not saying the site was ever an iconic standard to the peak intellectual, but there seemed to be more people hungry for that type of content.

Maybe I'm just looking back at everything through rose tinted glasses, but I miss the days of ending up going down a new rabbithole sparked by a random comment chain.

I wonder if it's just me and I'm just turning into that old bitter dude longing for the "good ole days."

That's reddit from 8+ years ago you're talking about, and small communities. Reddit has long been a mainstream community now, and we all know how the average person is.

Guess I am getting old. Hope Lemmy here can usher in a new wave of similar content. I'll have to wait and see.

The Verge: Reddit CEO tells employees that subreddit blackout ‘will pass’

There’s a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we’ve seen. Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well. The most important things we can do right now are stay focused, adapt to challenges, and keep moving forward. We absolutely must ship what we said we would. The only long term solution is improving our product, and in the short term we have a few upcoming critical mod tool launches we need to nail.

That's an absolutely tone deaf response from spez. The talking points are exactly what I expected and I'm not surprised, but man, whoever's running PR at Reddit is really dropping the ball.

If they do IPO, anyone who buys into it wholeheartedly deserves the deep losses the company will incur long term - it seems no-one on Reddit's leadership team, or anyone egging the company to float, understands what makes their own product tick.

it seems no-one on Reddit’s leadership team, or anyone egging the company to float, understands what makes their own product tick.

Which is good news for us because even if this does blow over they will fuck up again and every time it happens we'll profit from it in new users. Spez's problem isn't that his dream is unattainable, his problem is that the person having that dream is him.

I'm pretty sure his dream is just to make increasingly absurd amounts of money, every year more than the last: Line Go Up, forever. That dream is attainable in the short term, but utterly unattainable in the long term on a planet with finite resources.

He's just in it for the $$$, regardless of how, not for any of the things that're good about reddit. Someone who cared about reddit for any other reason wouldn't do this to it.

Is he wrong though?

We all know that users are going to come flooding back as soon as the closed subs open again. Reddit has been through controversy after controversy and has only grown in size. The truth is that most people on Reddit don't really care about third party apps, a lot didn't even know they existed before the Apollo dev spilled the tea on his conversations with Reddit. Spez knows this and is counting on it.

For this protest to have any teeth at all, the protesting subs need to stay blacked out indefinitely until Reddit starts negotiating realistically, or they start hemorrhaging users to alternative platforms.

so - as one of those people who really didn't know much about the 3rd party apps or even what the protest/blackout was, I was wishing for an alternative for quite some time now. Reddit has become an echo chamber where you're downvoted for having your own opinion, no matter how vanilla the "dissenting" opinion is. The trolliing and constant arguing gets old after awhile, and I don't think the current state of reddit is what the original intent of the platform ever was. This, for me, was why I gravitated toward Beehaw specifically. I'm not going back to Reddit. It reminds me of a playground full of bullies, itching for an argument. This platform is so much more my speed. And I feel like there are a pretty decent amount of people here who are in the same mind... for us, the alternative is welcome and Spez can wait til he retires for us to return because it's not happening.

Yes... I feel the same way. We will see. The last big blowup there was not a place to go (I went to voat for awhile, but it was just another walled garden filled with a certain type of vibe I did not really like that much). Lemmy seems pretty good now. We all know that moderation and a heavy "Do not feed the trolls" has always been the rule all the way back to Usenet and the early internet. One reason I choose Behaw is they seem to believe in that basic philosophy. Plus federation, people that do not like that, they can go to instances where they are happy too. Seems win win.

The big counter issue is scale. There are some areas where Lemmy does not cover well. These tend to be technical areas like Law.

At this point I'm convinced there's no one running PR, it's just Spez and his admin lackeys coming up with random stuff Musk-style.

It’s definitely a weird response, since it’s directed at employees I would have expected him to try to be reassuring without downplaying or even really mentioning the blackout.

Should have been easy to just say something bland like “we believe in the changes we are making and how they will make our company better. “

Everything passes. Including reddit. waves hands this is all just temporary.

Type O Negative - Everything Dies has surprisingly fitting lyrics for the search of people for a place to stay.

I wasn't familiar with the band and for whatever reason based on the names I had thought it was going to be either an indie pop or a folk punk song.

I was not expecting I LIKE VITAMIIIIIIIIIINS to be growled at me like that, I had a good laugh.

/r/ModCoord thread working on extending the blackout beyond tomorrow, as a response to Steve's email: https://www.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/148ks6u/indefinite_blackout_next_steps_polling_your/

People commenting on there calling them lame for trying to protect the communities that they care about. Yet these idiots use the platform (for free) and just gobble up promotions and ads from daddy corporate and say thank you

That's great news 👏. I really hope most of the subs currently participating end up going indefinite. Especially with Spez shrugging off the whole thing in the media.

Just have to say: Has anyone notice that Beehaw is just way faster then Reddit? Sorry new here, just my first impression. By the way. Thanks everyone for this site.

From join-lemmy.org:

Blazing Fast

Made using some of the fastest frameworks and tools, including Rust, Actix, Diesel, Inferno, and Typescript.

Indeed! I guess it's (at least partly) because there's not as much stuff going on that the user can see (and sometimes can't see).

Maybe because I'm using Jerboa, but it feels slower to me. Jerboa has many issues though

Have you updated recently? A jerboa update came out earlier today and it seems to run better now for me.

Yes, I am on the web UI.. Have not tried the app yet.

It really is faster, I noticed that too.

Yes, when I first got on mid-day it way crazy fast. It has slowed down a bit for me as the day has gone on but still faster then typical Reddit speeds. I wonder if beehaw load is more late afternoon and evening, or if it is just more people flocking in, or maybe both.

Probably has to do with time of day, but it's more snappy anyway. Smaller platform I guess, but it's pretty nice

I just used Power Delete Suite to remove all my comments and submissions

https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite

I am just a drop in the ocean, but I won't be going back to reddit now that's I've discovered the fediverse

this feels like the internet I fell in love with back in the mid 90s with smaller communities and no corporations trying to control what I interact with

oh man I'd love to run that but I feel it'd be wrong to purge all of the technical answers I've posted over the years. I think it's better to pass on that one

You can filter by subreddit in Power Suite Delete, so if your tech answers are in specific subs, you can leave those alone and delete everything else

it had an option to export your comments into a .csv, so theoretically you could post them elsewhere if you want

but that could be a lot of work so I understand just leaving comments as they are

Archiving copies of my Reddit history would be nice, but here's a somewhat idiotic question.

I use commas in copy a lot, so a CSV file sounds like a nightmare. How's that handled?

Csv is not always comma delimited. It could also be delimited with a tab, semicolon, or pipe (|)

Isn't a tab delimeted spreadsheet normally called a TSV, as in "Tab-Separated Values"?

Isn't CSV literally Comma-Separated Values?

Sorry, pedantry doesn't die.

A little bit yes, a little bit no

Tab delimited csv are sometimes called tsv, but just as often you'll see csv (tab delimited) as a file type option

See the wiki section on standardization for details.

Csv currently includes the following delimiters:

Comma, space, tab, pipe, or semicolon

Just kicked it off on my account, it's currently rewriting every Reddit comment I ever made. Feels good.

Considering doing what someone else suggested and editing all your comments to explain why you left, to mess with the data it has access to rather than outright removing it

Haha this sounds like such an amazing F you to reddit.

This is what I did, too. I even included a little blurb about Lemmy.

I suspect the account might just get banned and comments deleted, but nevertheless they were (or will be) there for at least a little while, and it removed my participation in reddit's profit machine. It was oh so satisfying to do even if it only had a super small impact.

Spez has told Reddit staff that the blackout “will pass”.

He’s right, it will. And that’s the problem.

A two day blackout means nothing to Spez and Reddit. What it tells them is “we can treat the userbase and developers like shit and they’ll still use our platform for the other 363 days of the year”.

The only thing that will force Reddit to the negotiating table is blacking out indefinitely. Not a single protesting subreddit opens back up until they realise what made the company so attractive to investors in the first place.

Being out for a few days or a week could be enough for a disapera to form and go elsewhere. For me, I am finding Lemmy and Mastodon are more usable. If even 1% go to Lemmy or Masatadon, a critical mass might be established and people will stay.

Agreed, but I don't think negotiating is going to do anything. If they were to negotiate, it would likely only work temporarily. They would likely just changes the terms of the deal when it suits them.

I really feel like Reddit is in "pumping money out of the users" mode at their own expense.

Sadly the only solution feels like parting ways with them.

Maybe so. It wouldn't be the first time - I've left platforms that have gone downhill before and I'll do it again. But it is psychologically difficult to let go of a site that I've used for over a decade and made so many connections through. That's how they get you I suppose, the sunk cost fallacy.

For sure. I feel the same way. I feel like I've developed hobbies from niche subreddits I've discovered over the years. Makes me wonder what other interests I could get into if I stuck it out. But I won't be doing that with their horrible mobile app, or to be spammed to use the mobile app every time I access the site from a mobile browser.

I've made my peace with it and I'm going to move on.

Not to mention, it doesn't feel like the blackout did anything either. I opened up r/all on Sync just now and it didn't feel any different than it did a week ago besides a bunch of posts that say that Reddit is killing 3rd-party apps.

Some subs went into restricted posting mode and made it so the only post in the past 2 days is that Reddit is killing 3rd-party apps. I'm not sure how you are expecting r/all to actually look. Even if every major subs closed their doors forever, as long as there is any activity on the site r/all will be populated.

There are a couple of subreddits that will go blackout indefinitely. I think r/video is one of them, and it's quite big. This can be annoying for the platform.

They can, and probably will, replace the mods I wager

But a bunch of people will be permanently gone by then I hope

As others mentioned, if any worthwhile subreddit goes dark, then the mods will be replaced and it'll be brought back.

Creating some noise works only if anyone is listening and willing to respond and enact change. Absolutely not in this scenario. The sad reality is the vocal ones are in the minority in the grand scheme of things. The 50k people leaving is, probably, pocket change and aren't the ones that the platform is geared towards nowadays.

Blacking out indefinitely won't change a thing. Reddit has before and will again, if threatened this way, re-open shuttered subs if they believe it is valuable for their bottom line.

3 more...

Thinking about sticking to Lemmy for most things and using my Reddit alt account just as a porn aggregator. Who's with me?!

There's lemmynsfw.com as well now.

Oh! Fab. I was under the impression that Lemmy wasn't going to allow NSFW.

None of the big ones were allowing NSFW posts on their instances, but anyone can create an instance that does allow it 🙂

Similar but in my case it's the war in Ukraine.

I thought so, too, but there's !ukraine@lemmy.ml, although I have not checked out that many posts there. And the name alone makes it sound more biased than something like r/CombatFootage

I've checked both Reddit and Lemmy since I created my Lemmy account yesterday. Reddit has lost a number of subreddits I used to read and the feed seems decidedly less interesting overall. Although the equivalents to all the subreddits I used don't necessarily exist here, there is some good information here (particularly IT-related) and I think the overall feel of the community here is better - people seem (so far at least) largely pretty reasonable and there aren't the armies of contrarians or downvoters just wanting to spread their anger at the world to everyone else. So, overall, win some, lose some, and if I end up just here instead of Reddit, I think any losses there will be offset by gains here. Which if you think about it makes Lemmy look pretty good, given that it is (a) relatively new; (b) volunteer-run and funded; (c) much, much smaller than Reddit.

I’ve been really enjoying the Mlem client on iOS as well. Definitely still has a long way to go but it’s a wonderful start

People say Lemmy is too complicated for most people, well that’s probably a good thing as it naturally filters out the people who only want to incite anger for upvotes. There’s no love on Reddits main subreddits anymore

Also it’s not that hard to understand anyway.

You're right Lemmy is going to take a bit to get used to, but the kicker for me (and maybe a lot of people) is going to be at the end of the month when the 3rd party apps shut down. I'm either going to have to get used to something new either way, whether it be Lemmy or the official Reddit app and my understanding is that the official app is littered with ads and promotions that no one cares about so I probably won't even bother.

Yeah. I'm not willing to use the official Reddit app. I tried for a day, and it was terrible. Using Lemmy with Jerboa feels natural, because the interface is very similar to the app I used for Reddit - Boost. There are communities I will miss, but it's nice to actually see the fediverse start to grow, and participate in it. It's hard to change from being a lurker to actually commenting, but the community feels more tight-knit.

I’m old and easily bamboozled by all this newfangled tech, and at first the whole fediverse thing was overwhelming. But eventually I realized it was not too different than an MMO’s multiple servers, and the idea of cross-realm and connected realms, and it functions not that much differently than a network mesh. You have multiple stand-alone nodes that are capable of cross-communications, so participate in a shared experience, and if one of the nodes goes down, the network will work around it.

It’s really not complicated once you give yourself time to think. And as long as the interface allows for the aggregation of random tidbits of data as we were accustomed to with Reddit, how the technology feeds that is not something the average user needs to worry about.

The only real difference between Reddit and Lemmy is that there is a bit more “hard wiring” that needs to be done by the user in order to set up a custom feed on Lemmy, but other than that, the user experience isn’t dreadfully different once the dust settles.

I appreciate talking to people from all walks, though. If a community wants to filter people it should be explicit and on purpose.

In terms of complexity, becoming conversant enough in how Lemmy works to do basic things feels on par with IRC. The expectations about how easy it is to hop on a service and start using it have shifted significantly because of the centralization of the past couple of decades, but the evidence available from comparing the tone of Reddit to here suggests the speed bump is helpful.

I disagree, it's easy to say that a barrier to entry is good because it keeps out trolls and those that just want to insight hate, but really those people will find a way when anything gets popular enough to bother with. Meanwhile, that same barrier prevents a lot of underserved people joining in and they're left to deal with the same toxic people we're trying to avoid ourselves.

The centralised services didn't succeed because they were centralised, they succeeded because they lowered the barrier to entry drastically. It's a lot easier to do that when you're centralised, but that's something we'll have to overcome if we want this community and others like it to succeed. Otherwise we'll just slowly die inside our own echo chamber.

Agree and disagree ... when we say "people shouldn't have to learn anything to use a technology," that shifts any focus on better education to dumber services.

I think it's not necessarily just dumber or more impatient people who can be soft-locked out by this, though. People who are too short on time to put a lot into hobbies (e.g. single mom working two jobs, and others with very busy irl lives) or learning a new unfamiliar system may also be left out, or older people with a anxieties or self-defeating beliefs about their ability to learn. And remembering here also that we are used to learning new internet systems, but that's a skill in itself even though it feels easy to us.

Leaving people on platforms that have ad-drive, hate-elevating algorithms also has consequences for all of us when it comes to politics and conspiracy spread.

Technology is a tool, and the tool should be as intuitive to a human newly encountering it as possivle, imo. If people make the same mistakes or have the same confusion with something again and again, it means the system is badly designed for humans, not that the humans are dumb.

I'm really hoping that lemmy can see a larger uptick in engagement. I know I should be the change I want to see in the world. However the thing I miss the most is pointless arguments in the comments section. :D

No you don't.

That's not an argument. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.

No it's not.

Yes it is.

It's like going back to an abusive relationship....🤣...ahhhh feels like home

Well I think it's stupid and pointless that you miss pointless arguments. Are we doing it right?

Well I think it’s stupid and pointless that you miss pointless arguments. Are we doing it right?

Ohh for sure!

What you just want substance in your life? No debates over if Captain Picard could kick Luke Skywalkers ass? Everyone knows it's Picard all the way. :D

To me Reddit was always the comments and less about the news story. The pulse of what was happening in your country, or town, or hobby, etc. I'm sure that will happen here on Lemmy too in time.

What IT related communities have you found? Keeping up with tech news was one of my primary reasons for keeping in Reddit. I’ve found a few things here, but not a ton. I’ll gladly take any suggestions

I posted this on Kbin too, but I thought people might find it interesting here as well. I feel like maybe younger/shorter term users, and other people really don't fully understand what's going on with Reddit, and how it's been building to a crescendo for a while.

tl;dr: This shift in Reddit has been coming for awhile, and was heralded years ago by fundamental changes they made to how users engage with their platform, most specifically by turning "/r/all" into "/r/onlywhatwewantyoutosee".

I was a Reddit user for 12 years and change. I pre-date the Digg migration, and honestly I thought the years after that were its peak. There were warning signs that it was going downhill at many points in time, but I think the moment that really signaled Reddit was never going to return to what made it popular and successful is when they removed NSFW subs from /r/all...even though they'd rolled out /r/popular a year or two prior, supposedly for that purpose.

It's not because of the restriction of NSFW subs in and of itself, it's the implications/precedents that were set for the service as a whole. At that point, it became crystal clear that Reddit wanted to make sure the vast majority of users would be stuck with reddit recommended content only, and from there out it's felt more like user manipulation for maximum advertising. Think about it - probably 50% of the most popular posts are either thinly veiled ads, or posts LOADED with ads that Reddit is surely getting clickshare revenue for linking to. Then there's the sponsored posts hidden in with the normal posts, and the banner ads inserted between those.

The point of /r/all was to show everything, in real time, as it was growing in popularity. That's how people discover things they like that they didn't know existed - but finding those things, means spending less time in the controlled environment engaging with the content they most want you to engage with, and making them less revenue as a result. When /r/all turns into "/r/onlywhatcorporatewantsyoutosee", there's really no going back or improving. This API bullshit is just the next iteration of that same long term strategy - control what users see and interact with by forcing them to stay in their tightly controlled environment

The other side to all commercial social apps is driving engagement, and as you said driving ads and cash generation. These both are harmful to users. Driving engagement seems to be a more subtle thing, but more harmful of the two as it is kind of corrosive. So commercial social apps are just bad.

Controlling the cattle has become the overwhelming purpose of the Haves.

NSFW posts weren't the primary reason why /r/all got limits. /r/all was littered with hate and bigotry and general garbage. If /r/all had been left alone, Reddit would have continued on the path to becoming Voat.

Not modifying, to some degree, what subreddits appear on /r/all would have made trying to remove the bigotry off the site that much harder. (It will never completely go away; the site is too huge at this point.) While they should have used the idea of quarantines long before they started out with flat-out removal of these subs, these weren't just "[racist slur] are dumb" type of stuff. These were subs that outright called for the violence and death of people who weren't them. These were places for racists and bigots who had no qualm about doxxing people with hopes that bad things would happen to them.

You can argue "Well, then, ban the people who do that kind of thing!" Sometimes when the pool gets full of scum, you have to recognize the point where spot cleaning isn't the cure and you have to drain the pool to stop the scum from gathering.

You're not wrong at all on that, however, the quarantining and banning of hate communities happened before the removal of any and all NSFW subs from /r/all. The hate groups were largely getting restricted well before that. I realize they're two sides of a similar coin - but there were different motives behind the shifts. Recall also, that most of those groups getting quarantined and banned were not NSFW communities.

Nobody was using boobs or twerk videos for hate speech. A 4K/60FPS version of that gif of Alexandra Daddario wasn't being used to advocate violence against political figures. That later shift was done purely for user control of content. Reddit (probably) isn't getting click shares off of imgur reposts of daddarios boobs. If they're not standing to gain, they lose every time someone leaves the front page and goes to a sub page to explore more. They also get fewer eyes on their paid content if people are turned off from using /r/all because they don't want to see said boobs. That particular move was a dollars and cents content control move only.

The blackout is definitely having an impact on Reddit traffic, especially the level of commenting on posts. Look at https://blackout.photon-reddit.com/ and the posts and comments per minute. The comments are usually up to the top or above the number of posts and they are way down. Posts overall are way down as well.

Hmmm the effect is not as dramatic as I was anticipating. Am I reading this right? Say the daily average in comments/minute is around 5k: seems the average today is around 4k. A 20% dip only. Not much compared to 50+% of the subreddits going dark :(

It's unclear how useful aggregate post and comment totals are in terms of measuring the effect of the blackout on content.

I feel comfortable saying that 80% of Reddit content on my subscribed subreddits has no impact on my day or understanding of life. Thus, the question becomes what 20% has been lost.

One thing to note that noticable amount of Reddit traffic is actually bots and they're not taking time off. Be it legit bots or bots farming karma to peddle corporate ads later.

Just deleted my Reddit account.

I deleted all my comments, thousands of them, 13 years of comments, using Redact. I think I'll keep my account until July 1st, then I'll see...

Power Deleted mine yesterday. The idea of them making $$$ for AI training is creepy.

manifesting christian decides to rewrite apollo for lemmy 🙏

half kidding of course, i think he said he wasn’t interested in reddit alternatives anyways, but i do miss it

He actually addressed it in the Verge article linked in this thread. He's afraid of Lemmy or Kbin dying off and having to deal with the emotional toll of the app dying all over again. As a developer, I totally get that concern. He has put so much of his time into Apollo just to see it die, I wouldn't want to risk that again.

As much as i hate the idea of a community relying on one company, I saw someone suggest that Apple buy Apollo and get into social. It’s not a TERRIBLE idea. I feel icky wishing for it though.

You Can Export Your RiF History. You Can Export Your RiF History

That is awesome.

First thing I do when the blackout is over is export my history, edit my comments, delete my acc and buh bye Reddit forever.

Sadly, most of my subs don't really care about the Reddit drama, and I can't find anything replacing them here. But at the same time… I kinda realized I don't really miss them, and overall getting away from Reddit feels like a good thing for my mental health. For now, I think my lights stay out at Reddit, and it will be replaced by a mix and match of lemmy stuff and old school forums. And maybe discord for some special live events.

So while the blackout and all that happened leading up to it didn't really change my Reddit experience, it changed my overall feeling about Reddit as a platform. Let's see how this will hold up.

That's my situation as well. Out of curiosity I went into reddit today to see how different it would look. It's close to the same. A lot of the subs I go to are in the "Yeah it sucks but we're small so we won't make a dent so fuck it.." other subs like /r/games with their BS excuse of "we support it but don't want to do anything about it". Overall, kind of the same. Kind of makes me sad

I wish we as a species would just drop this trend of having to eventually ruin a good thing just about every goddam time.

Closed source/centralized software always ends like this. It's always "not my problem" with people when it comes to propriatory software dying until, of course, it is :(

Only thing I’ve missed about Reddit is googling stuff by adding Reddit on the end of it! Ironically most of the stuff has been around server stuff for my Lemmy instance

You can still do that, just pipe it through archive.is or just go there. You're not giving Reddit much with your page view.

I feel fine switching. I'll miss the deep history of reddit, but apparently the official app sucks for that too (afaik), so no great loss anyways. The community seems small but great here.

The official app is so, so, bad. And the thing is, it has only gotten worse over time, not better.

Lemmy.ml is down. My main account is there, which is the one I use to moderate everything. I will try to migrate my account from one instance to another because lemmy.ml is not stable

That's an unfortunate timing. They should have locked registrations before accepting too much traffic

Yes, or upgrade before like lemmy.world did. I don't know on which instance I will go now, not here because we can't create communities (which is really fine, this instance don't have duplicate that way and the ambiance here is fun)

Does anyone know what's going on with Lemmy.ml? I can't access it and keep getting 502 errors when I try to check it on browser. Hopefully they're just working on their server because that was the instance where I had subscribed to stuff. It won't be a big deal if they're just gone, just an inconvenience.

If they are gone, already, it is somewhat worrying for the viability of Lemmy generally, because I don't want to lose my subscriptions and comments every time a server shuts down. I've made an account on beehaw and lemmy.world as well under the same username, and I probably will make ones under other popular instances just in case.

I’ve made an account on beehaw and lemmy.world as well under the same username, and I probably will make ones under other popular instances just in case.

Probably a better choice is UNpopular instances. Smaller ones. People who don’t quite grasp the federation concept are flooding in from Reddit, joining the larger instances out of FOMO, and overwhelming them.

I joined two days ago, a very small instance simply because I liked the name. And I read recommendations that the choice would not matter, that you can switch later anyways and whatnot.

Turns out, bad choice. Many communities are invisible to me unless I perform some exclamation mark shenanigans which I still don't understand (or another person from my instance does, but since we are so few, that doesn't happen so often).

Links to other instances are broken. For example, when yesterday's megathread was closed due to 500 comments, the mod left a link there to this thread here, I suppose. Because since I'm not from beehaw, the link does not work for me.

So it really comes with convenience and benefits to be part of a big instance, as long as that instance can handle the load. It should not make a difference, but it does. I wish the communication was clearer about that upfront. I'm a nerd and can handle it (for a while), but surely some people would leave again, when experience does not live up to advertisement.

For the best experience, join the instance with the most content you're interested in. Federation is nice in theory, but we're not fully there yet.

The person I was replying to was concerned about having a back-up account that would be on an instance that wouldn’t be down. Several of the larger instances have had down-times as they’ve struggled to handle the overload, as the commenter found to their dismay.

Putting their back-up account on one of the smaller instances rather than one of the popular ones would give that person the stability they are seeking.

All of the most popular lemmy instances have been having issues while they deal with the massive user growth. I expect it will get better over time as things get figured out and lemmy devs make improvements. I don't know what's wrong with lemmy.ml specifically but it will probably be back online soon, I think one of the main lemmy devs runs it so it's not like they are going to abandon it now that lemmy is taking off.

Does anyone know what’s going on with Lemmy.ml?

Serious scaling problems with the database in Lemmy. The code was not really tested and tuned for the quantity of federation peers to replicate with, comments, votes, postings. A lot of big communities over there to replicate.

I'm seeing pending on all my remote Join to communities hosted there.

Not sure, but I'm getting the same thing when trying to connect directly. I'm guessing they got the hug of death. It's the second day of the blackout on Reddit, this is probably the time of critical mass for people that are migrating. My assumption is they all tried to join that main lemmy.ml instance rather than distributing the load across smaller instances.

I'm thinking about sticking with Lemmy for most things and just using my Reddit alt as a porn aggregator. Who's with me?!

Not me.

Found lemmynsfw.com, nuked reddit nsfw alt.

A word on reddit, blackouts, & effective protesting: https://piped.video/watch?v=U06rCBIKM5M

wish some reddit mods participating in the blackout watched it.

Mod of 60k. We're staying dark indefinitely since all mods use 3rd party apps.

Mod of small (~26,000 users) sub. We'll be staying dark indefinitely. Talking to my other mods for other subs and recommending they do the same. We're tiny but hopefully it sends a message to our users.

As a user of a shut-down (maybe temporarily) community in Reddit, the fact that it was shut down and has a decently active (migrating) community here is the very reason i have a Lemmy account.

Shutting down on Reddit is a valid working strategy to send a message, so you made the right choice

I had thought that was a peertube link, but looks like it is just a YouTube redirect.

It's a piped instance link which just downloads and serves the video from YouTube. It's privacy friendly because your browser doesn't hit Google's site where they'll just further build up your ad profile.

It seems to be used quite a lot here when people can't find the video on PeerTube.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759180/reddit-protest-private-apollo-christian-selig-subreddit?utm_campaign=theverge&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

He is MUCH more diplomatic and polite than I would be.

Then again, he’s Canadian and I’m an American lol

Great article, thanks for sharing. It's a real shame that Reddit seems so determined to just force all the changes through and have no dialogue with the community.

I just checked reddark over 8400 subreddits are down, pretty much all of the big ones are closed down, that's crazy! I only had one reddit brain fart today and caught myself before, so I have no idea how things are there, but I do miss all the nature, castles and sculptures pictures from the stuff I followed.

I swapped my Sync app on my homescreen out for Jebroa for Lemmy, so when I instinctively go to open Reddit, I open Lemmy instead. Seems to be working well so far!

Yeah, I had that moment yesterday. Sat on the toilet and immediately opened Apollo. Closed it a second later. Won’t happen anymore after Apollo is gone, tho.

Yeah, once Boost is gone for good I won't have any way to go back even if I wanted to. I'll just have to find my pretty pictures somewhere else, l'll suck it up and fix my tumblr accounts, make them look like a real human owns them instead of a bot so people won't block me :p

I'll eventually go poking around kbin too and maybe finally actually use the mastodon accounts I made.

I like the threadiverse well enough for general scrolling and chatting, but given the smaller user group right now, I think tumblr will be my replacement for fandom things like Dragon Age, TES, Zelda, and probably Starfield (haven’t checked the tags over there to see if people are posting fan stuff about it yet or not).

I love tumblr for lurking, but never really found my footing there for interacting myself, the whole thing of tumblr (and twitter in a way) of having a page and followers and all that always felt a bit intimidating, i guess? I think that's what i like the ost of forums like these or reddit. Just coming up and answering a post on a forum like this feels natural and on tumblr felt so out of pocket for me.

I'm sure that a me problem and i'll figure out , and it'll probably be one those "oh, that looked much harder before" once i do figure it out, i'll just start by talking to myself and see who i find.

I agree. I like the idea of communities, rather than following specific people. I like the slight feeling of separation when it is community based. Both have their place, though.

Oh for sure, on tumblr I interact pretty rarely - just like and reblog things. though I think I was on tumblr before there was fuss around changes to the reply system and I'd reply to posts occasionally (on smaller more personal chatty blogs) – but when I went back recently the reply system seems exactly like I remember so maybe they listened to their users whenever that kerfuffle happened!

Looks like Reddit Mod tools are being accommodated https://mods.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/16693988535309

I don't have a source for this (and frankly I could be misremembering, or this was a slightly different thing): but I seem to recall reading a long comment about how reddit has said they'll make those things available, but all the mods trying to contact them have been received no communication at all regarding how things will be implemented, when they'll be implemented, given (and been heard) or received any feedback, etc. Just complete silence. Similarly, reddit said it'd implement accessibility tools years? ago and then just silence.

If I'm remembering that right, and even if I'm not, given Reddit's hostile attitude regarding all of this... that actually panning out the way the particle paints is still quite questionable.

I hope I'm wrong though.

I believe you're right. Reddit promised to make all the tools the mods need available, but gave no timeline. It won't help the mods if their existing tools shut down on July 1st and the new, official Reddit tools come online in 2030.

I seem to recall reading a long comment about how reddit has said they’ll make those things available

Make what things available?

Free API access to mod tools. The problem is that Reddit's promises are useless and what - the admin volunteers have to pay for API until they do? Pay to moderate their website?

The link is about giving 3rd party mod tools free API access to Reddit. But you are correct that Reddit has not provided many mod tools directly.

Our API allows free access to moderators and developers creating these tools for non-commercial use cases.

They had already committed to avoiding disruptions to bots, they aren't backing off on the apps.

Yeah the non-commercial part just destroys the entire announcement. Mods could just use a community made bot that they bought for like $5 and be done with it.

Since this will be now against the ToS, no one will be bothered to develop these tools for free, to move around.

This is a worthless post.