Trump says Harris debate was 'rigged,' ABC should lose license, but 'we did great'

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Trump says Harris debate was 'rigged,' ABC should lose license, but 'we did great'
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This is how we know that he thinks he lost.

I think some of RFK’s brain worms🪱 slid into a ripe new vessel

So the debate was rigged to make you look bad, but you did great at the debate? Which is it?

Don't expect internal consistency from the guy who says media can't be trusted and is fake news, but immigrants are eating people's dogs and cats because someone said it on TV.

Kamala stole my ideas on the economy. She's a Marxist. She stole my ideas though.

If she won the election, the day after that election, go back to destroying our country and oil will be dead. Fossil fuel will be dead. We'll go back to windmills and we'll go back to solar, where they need a whole desert to get some energy to come out. You ever see a solar plant? By the way, I'm a big fan of solar
-Smart Man DJT

What else will you do with a desert? Build cities that will dry up more lakes and rivers? Just cover the whole fucking desert in solar and power the country. The guy is so dense.

There's a lot more territory for solar if we just set it up all along our Interstate system. We could just let the desert be desert, with its fragile ecosystem intact. The land under the freeways is already fucked. Thinking ahead, we would need to design it to reroute the power if a big crash takes out some panels.

Idk maybe grow a crazy amount of alfalfa and sell it overseas? What? What do you mean the desert has water issues?

Edit: oh lol I should have read more replies

He just can’t stop tilting at windmills.

Don't forget the poor poor desert soil he's so concerned about... Lol yes noted conservationist Donald drill baby drill Trump...

Right after she pointed out all of the times she actually supported fracking.

Debate was rigged to make me look bad. But jokes on them, I looked bad all on my own.

Checkmate liburals

Trump is a psychopath that should not be allowed to drive a car let alone a country.

His presidency, and presence in politics at all beyond the local kook level, is a strong indication that the US is a failed state circling the toilet.

US is not a failed state, that’s just factually untrue and is just emotional storytelling.

The DNC has rigged three primaries in a row, yet has continued to struggle against the same crook that can't form a sentence. It doesn't fit the exact definition of "failed state", but do we need to split that hair?

The DNC is not the state.

Try again. Or, please, don't.

I did not say the DNC is the state. I am suggesting that the way the two-party system has developed is an indication of a failed state.

The two-party system developed practically immediately after the formation of the country. Even the parties in Congress under Washington were beginning to form into two parties before the second President was elected.

There's a reason for this, and it's primarily because the constitution, while certainly a step forward in many respects from shitty ass monarchy, was written by fallible, flawed people who could not anticipate the consequences of some of the decisions they were making with regards to governmental structure. Other countries, using founding documents written after the late 1700s and governments formulated afterwards, were likely able to put the US's example to good use and able to analyze what should have been done differently.

We could hypothetically pull the country out of the "two-party system" rut, but it requires a large degree of change to how we conduct elections, and may even require constitutional amendments. A more pragmatic approach is likely to build a movement in local politics with a third party, and then slowly use the accumulated power upwards to change things via state governments, and then finally change the federal system.

EDIT: Source - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_States (1st US Congress was in 1789, first two major political parties began to form in...wait for it...1789).

Does he actually know how to drive anything bigger than a golf cart?

Does pretending to drive a semi count?

I actually looked it up recently because I had the thought that he’s never driven a car in his life and has just been driven around. Apparently there’s a video of him driving his Rolls Royce or something online though.

Edit: I looked it up again and he’s driving his rolls Royce and listening to Taylor Swift. Man, this guy is just a walking contradiction, huh?

Guessing he isn't allowed to drive a car - I remember Al Gore complaining about how they never got to drive any more [after the VP era], as the secret service wouldn't let them.

honestly he probably didn't drive even before being president. having a chauffeur is a status symbol for the ultra wealthy and he has to keep up appearances.

My understanding is that most wealthy people have drivers cause if not, they open themselves up to opportunists looking to sue them for a big payout.

I'm sure they still let him drive the golf cart

Trump is a psychopath that should not be allowed to drive a car let alone a country.

Good news then, presidents and former presidents aren't allowed to drive themselves. So at least we won't have to deal with Trump claiming that deep state operatives switched the gas and brake peddles.

Sums it up

Yeah, but he has millions of shares he paid nothing for.

He's going to be the only one who doesn't lose money, because he paid nothing for his stock.

Even if it's $0.01 the day he can sell, it's all profit.

Someone has to buy the stock that he sells. It doesn't magically turn into money cause it has a listed value that day.

Sure, there can be some money laundering and foreign "investments" but the SEC really doesn't like stock manipulation.

The SEC doesn't do jack shit about anything. The SEC are toothless pretend watchdogs created by and staffed by former stock marketers who exist for the sole purpose of making the public think there is oversight and accountability.

It is the stock market version of the police's internal affairs.

Tell that to Martha Stewart and Elon Musk.

SEC isn't a savior, but they do enforce the law when it's blatant.

Martha Stewart's case was two decades ago. How many people have served jail time for fraud based on the SEC since then?

Musk got the regular slap on the wrist pretend punishment that the SEC does to appear legitimate. He also continues to openly manipulate stocks with no further accountability.

How many people have served jail time for fraud based on the SEC since then?

are you just assuming zero, or do you actually keep up with this stuff?

just a brief search led me to these which were all published literally yesterday:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/sec-widens-insider-trading-case-involving-stolen-law-firm-ma-info-2024-09-10/

https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2024-09-10/convicted-nikola-founder-milton-owes-electric-truck-maker-168-million-judge-rules

https://wchstv.com/news/local/im-teddy-f-miller-boasts-influencer-now-jailed-for-fraud

I don't assume it is zero, but I assume it is far fewer than it should be since Musk has been openly manipulating the market without any punishment for years.

then just say that rather than asking "how many" because apparently no number would be high enough to meet your standard.

It'll definitely cause the price to drop and will probably destroy the company's selling so much at once.

But it happens all the time.

And trump supporters are 100% dumb enough to "buy the dip".

Even worse, they don't have to believe even that.

Some will believe that this is "charity stock" and buy the stock as it spirals to zero as "charity" for their candidate...

The listed value is more or less the amount currently being offered by people who want to buy the stock. So if it has a listed value then he can sell it.

If there's a single copy of a comic book that sells for $1,000 that doesn't mean you can sell 100 of them for that price.

If there's a couple dozen shares of a stock selling for $15, that doesn't mean there's enough buyers to pay for a million of them at that price.

If trump dumps all his shares, the stock price will crash, and eventually there won't be ANYONE to buy the stock and the price will be effectively $0.

Comic books don't have market makers. Stocks generally do.

They act as intermediaries so individual stock buyers don't have to find individual stock sellers. Which means the companies that agree to act as market makers are always willing to buy a stock and always willing to sell it. When buyers and sellers don't balance, they adjust the stock price until they do (always making a slight profit on arbitrage).

If he can sell all his 115M shares for $0.72 (doubtful) he'll have just enough to pay off E. Jean Carroll.

What?

It's at 15.49, I think he can sell a week or two after the election. It'll keep falling, but he has a financial incentive to push it more and more in the run up to the election.

He went back to Twitter for the views, but immediately after the election he'll pivot back to pumping it full time.

Id be surprised if it's under $5. Someone that wants a favor could buy millions of it, hoping that if more do it or the rubes buy in, it would be a bribe that actually made money.

Classic pyramid scheme shit. The more that do it, the more others will because the price goes up.

I'd be surprised if it's less than this by the time trump can sell, and if he loses I think it'll really jump up immediately after the election

Trump's base never catches on to the endless excuses this man has. 9 years no healthcare plan. Attacking and lasing out and then expect anyone who isn't them to be nice to them and treat them with respect lol.

They have a victimhood complex and their chosen propagandists back up their feelings with lie after lie about how they're all poor victims of the big bad liberal. They don't see these things as excuses, they're "perfectly legitimate complaints" to them :(

They all kind of know it. It's just that probably they think that all politicians are dirty and so they are happy with their extra dirty guy. They also like the bigotry.

He looked like a doddering old man who didn't know where he was or what he was saying.

They didn't do great, the RNC should be investigated for elder abuse.

Last night, to my wife: "He's going to claim ABC was rigged against him and that the debate moderators were slanted against him"

This morning:

So predictable.

"Rigged" is a consistent word he uses when he doesn't get his way. Let's not forget that what he says is also a projection, so he's totally going to try and "rig" the election where he can to give himself any advantages. And then on a loss will throw anything he can at the system to claim once again that he was cheated.

The second the moderators fact checked him I told my wife, he's going to say it's rigged and it was a conspiracy between ABC and the Democrats. It was really awesome to him flounder when they did that. Just a flat, "There is no state in which it's legal to kill a baby. And now to Harris"

dude was fired and now he's crawling back to the same job like worm. Just find a new job dude

If he doesn't end up as president he can't nullify any of the affects of his legal problems.

The legal problems he brought upon himself? By actively and blatantly criming? Boy that must suck for him.

Ikr? Like, how unfair is it if we don't let him be president to get rid of his consequences.

The minute Trump sells even a single one of his stocks, it's over. The price will be $0 in minutes. The only ones that are left are the ones that are betting that he'll win in November and send the stocks soaring. If Trump even signals that he's looking to cash out, the investors will trample over his fat ass to make sure they get out before he does.

Unfortunately apparently a bunch of people holding vanguard ETFs will also be holding the bag since that stock got so high at one point vanguard picked it up...

Sad vanguard user noises... :(

Do you know which Vanguard funds? I have some $VOOG and $DJT doesn’t show anywhere in the holdings as far as I can see: https://www.zacks.com/funds/etf/VOOG/holding

I don't unfortunately. I hope I'm not blindly spreading misinformation but it was a comment from another user who was pushing back on the idea that vanguard supports Trump in any way. They were saying it was essentially what I said, just picked up by vanguard as it hit some high mark.

No worries. Personally based on my experiences, Vanguard funds are pretty well managed and even the riskiest funds wouldn’t be over indexed on a given stock.

For instance, with $VOOG, only three out of the over two hundred holdings are over 10% by weight. Companies like Amazon, Meta, and Google didn’t even make the cut for 10%. Even if $DJT was included in a Vanguard fund, I would be surprised if the shares of that fund moved significantly in response to $DJT losing value.

Obligatory: I am not a licensed financial adviser, this comment is my opinion and should not be considered financial advice.

It mainly impacts things like indice funds that automatically pickup stocks when they hit certain metrics.

I love that his campaign kept complaining about Harris not getting fact checked as hard.

Harris definitely spun a few things, but she wasn’t throwing out crazy ass lies like eating pets and throwing out newborn babies.

Trump is a cum stain on america

I disagree. Cumstain would imply at least someone had a good time.

ABC is a network that doesn't have an FCC license. Each individual local station is an FCC licensee. They're the ones that are responsible for the content they air.

Mostly true. ABC network does own licenses in some markets.

Trump or any other political figure can’t just pull a license for no reason though. FCC is pretty good about that

List of O&Os

Trump has repeatedly shown he can and will ignore all the rules restricting him. Furthermore he'd have immunity for official acts. So firing everyone until someone agrees to just pull the licenses of any station named ABC is right up his alley and possible now.

He can't do any of that, as he is not in charge of any of that.

Hell he can claim ABC is a terrorist organization and then sic the federal government on them. Since he identified them as terrorists dealing with them would be considered an "official act" covered by the immunity ruling...

I don't think he'd go that hard that quick. Last night reminded us that while he can be goaded, he isn't stupid.

Interesting take - he looked pretty stupid to me

Yeah but you aren't who he was talking to. He definitely successfully messaged to conservatives worried about immigration and security.

Always double down, never admit fault.

In that way, he's predictable.

It’s like the ending of the movie Brazil. Pan back and we see Trump smiling to himself and one adviser says to another ‘we’ve lost him’.

I wonder what it's like on his plane of existence? I mean, I'm sure it's blissful to him.

Take:

  1. one bag of squirrels

1oz of pure cut Columbian blow

add Columbian marching powder to bag of squirrels making sure entire contents are emptied into bag and close tightly.

shake and swing bag violently, then hang from tree branch

you have now recreated the inner workings of Donald Trumps mind. Enjoy the show.

Nah i think it's a whiplash rollercoaster existence from massive ego highs and then to extreme embarrassment and paranoia

At this point in the disinformation campaign, there is no way to claim anything but absolute victory. Any missteps must be unfair treatment by an outsider. Any possible room for improvement is weakness, so it must just be lying press or unfair treatment.

The thing is, they no longer need to offer evidence for any such claims. Their supporters are so conditioned, they have the same initial reactions and believe Trump can do no wrong.

Never play chess with a pigeon, they shit on the board and knock ove randomr pieces claiming they won...

I mean, Abc basically shat on the terms of the debate. Structure and muting went out the window in the first ten minutes and then they started fact checking.

I have no complaints and think it favored both sides but it was definitely hinky.

Fact checking would be piping up to correct the record things like spin and exaggeration, which both sides always do in a debate (correcting numbers, etc...)

The moderators didn't do that for either side. Their "fact checking" only occurred on statements that were clearly not reality and so far fetched that letting them go by unchecked would be opening them up to a potential lawsuit when a Haitian immigrant gets murdered by a MAGA moron.

And those DANGEROUS lies were coming entirely from one side.