Or maybe you still love it, but now you have a different perspective.
Semi-Charmed Life, by Third Eye Blind. Basically, it's a song about doing meth... Spent almost twenty years just singing the chorus with absolutely no idea what the rest of the lyrics were. Now, it kinda feels weird, ngl.
I, as a child, did a music class presentation on "my favourite song of the year" on this little ditty.
Whoops!
Edit: To clarify, then, much like now, I listened to the music and not the lyrics. I don't know if that's common at all, but the singing is basically another instrument to me, and I hardly ever pay attention to the actual words.
Much of the time I can't even make out the lyrics, so I listen to music the same way
I think it's fairly common to not always pay close attention to the lyrics. Most of the time, you hear a song on the radio, and you can't always make out what it's saying, but you're still able to enjoy the music and the singing melody. Until you pay more attention or you seek out the lyrics, then you're often surprised about what it's saying, cause the lyrics weren't the point when you used to listen to the song. It doesn't mean that it's world-changing or anything, but it just takes you by surprise.
I listen to music the exact same way. I will maybe pay attention to the chorus or catchy line, but a lot of lyrics are lost on me.
I'm the same way, actually.
ITT: People on the spectrum
Woo woo! Auditory Processing Disorder!
YEP.
Ok, uhhhh… you are saying here that difficulty understanding the words to music is an autism thing?
You're not alone there, snoop had an album come out the year before and after that both sold as explicit but that album didn't.
But it's about how the excitement of meth, like that of a new relationship, fades and leaves the speaker wanting something more substantial while still fondly reminiscing about the good times.
The speaker thinks of the girl as a "sunburn" he "would like to save." He describes meth as something that "will lift you up until you break." I think these characterizations point very strongly toward nostalgic longing and away from the glorification of addiction or even that of drug use. So no reason to feel weird I think.
I think these characterizations point very strongly toward nostalgic longing and away from the glorification of addiction or even that of drug use.
There's also an extra verse, which wasn't in the radio edit, that I think further supports what you're saying.
I guess you're right, I just never gave the song much thought. It's just that it kinda felt like some happy song and I never paid attention to what it was saying, then I looked them up one day, out of curiosity, and I guess it juat felt unexpected to me, and that's why it felt weird. Thinking about what you said makes me want to give the song another listen with an open mind, I guess.
Not so much a song about doing meth as it's a song about the ramifications of doing meth. "Doing crystal meth will lift you up until you break" it mentions lockjaw at the end and even talks about watching the love of his life die to an od.
I didn't know it was about Crystal meth for a really long time because I only heard it on the radio for many many years and they only played a clean version where the phrase "Crystal Meth" is cut out in a way that's not really obvious it was edited so I just never understood the lyrics.
"The sky was gold, it was rose, I was taking sips of it through my nose..." didn't clue you in?
Nope. That song came out when I was ten, so I had no clue it was about anything like that until probably a decade later.
I love people being surprised by this song when a verse literally says 'doing crystal meth will lift you up until you break'.
"It won't stop, I won't come down
I keep stock with the tick-tock rhythm
I bump for the drop, and then I bumped up
I took the hit that I was given, then I bumped again
Then I bumped again"
That entire verse, but honestly rereading the lyrics, I'm amazed that got radio play in the Bible belt. I know it did, because I heard it uncensored in southeastern Indiana.
Fun fact: Semi Charmed Kinda Life made it into a late '90s Disney film about surfers. They didn't even bleep anything because, I assume, they couldn't understand what he was singing.
Another fun fact is that the original radio edit that charted is different from the album version / version that is on streaming these days. It lacks verse 3
And when the plane came in, she said she was crashing
The velvet, it rips in the city
We tripped on the urge to feel alive
But now, I'm struggling to survive
Those days you were wearing that filthy dress
You're the priestess, I must confess
Those little red panties, they pass the test
Slides up around the belly face down on the mattress one
And you hold me
And we are broken
Still it's all that I want to do, just a little now
“All that she wants” by Ace of Base. I read a deep dive into the band and it seems like they may have been formed after a neo-nazi group and that song might be about Jews trying to dilute the bloodline… so yeah kinda weird now.
Oh fuck, no way.
Ok, I read thenlink and the bassist was an opely total piece of shit before joining the band but I didn't see anyhing about the AoB songs being hidden propaganda or the rest of the band's history. Where does the speculation come from?
That was my first exposure to the theory, I've never been able to confirm nor deny it conclusively, especially since cracked.com back in those times was only mostly satire. Like 99% of the pieces were satire, and then they'd publish something that wasn't satire, and this could be a good example of that. Either way, I bought their CD way back when.
That seems completely serious and not satire at all.
Since I never saw the videos, my assumption was that 'wants another baby' was wanting to sleep around with multiple partners as in 'I love you baby', not having a literal baby. The six pointed stars and the cradle is pretty fucking clear it is about a Jewish woman sleeping around to have multiple babies, and yeah that is apparently one of those 'Jews are taking over' racist stereotypes.
Now I'm guessing that the Sign is a swastika.
Thanks for the link, I'm gonna go throw that album in the trash and feel like a jackass for not catching on earlier.
Ooof, TIL..
Their song "Happy Nation" sounds pretty questionable to me, too.
What??!! I wish this wasn't a thing. But thanks for the info. Arrrrgh though...
Mr Brightside by the Killers. The tune was good and felt energetic when it came about, but it's about a guy being cheated on. Having had someone cheat on me around the time it came out it hit really close to home and I just don't enjoy listening to the song.
The problem with being in the UK is that it's so overplayed and I just have to tune it out.
It's not. It's about a guy who can't beat jealousy and believes he's being cheated on "except it's all in [his] head"
Ah my bad. I thought the song was written by Brandon Flowers after catching his girlfriend cheating on him in a bar in his hometown of Las Vegas.
During lockdown in April 2020, the frontman looked back at the video and noted: "It's just a song about betrayal. I was betrayed and I was able to turn it into a masterpiece".
From the article "The lyric is about a man who is obsessed with a girl that is seeing another man… and the thoughts that go through his head, imagining what they’re doing behind closed doors…" I guess I was wrong, it's envy not jealousy.
No, it's a song about a nice guy not getting his crush.
I second one of the other commenters who says that the song is about the perception of being cheated on. It's funny, after the first day I ever went on with my partner that song played and for a little while we considered it our song, then eventually kind of faded as they both realized the song didn't relate to us very well. Now I can look back years later, after going through a lot of therapy and self enrichment and I can realize that those kind of paranoia really did plague our early relationship. I'm glad that we were able to move on from it
Pretty much all Linkin Park songs.
Listened to it since elementary.
Around high school, I figured the lyrics were kinda dark.
Then the vocalist hung himself.
Sadly, Chester grew up being horribly abused and then using a lot of drugs. He was super close with Chris Cornell, who had also killed himself some months prior to Chester. Chester had been sober for a time but ended up staying the night alone after traveling and drank a little and hung himself on Chris's birthday.
Mike Shinoda has stated in interviews that when he and Chester would write lyrics, they would focus on the emotion and not necessarily just the exact experience. So the lyrics would slowly evolve until they both could sing them truthfully while relating them to their own separate lived experiences, which is part of why they can be so universally related to - because none of their songs are truly only about one specific thing, but rather about the feelings people experience.
Fuck, man, that is some depressing backstory.
I can hear that.
Staying sober at home with family can be hard enough, but when traveling, that's hardcore mode.
That makes sense. The thing about experiences and feelings, it's something we can all related to which is why we love their music. Chester, we will never forget you.
Well, one that maybe went full circle for me is "bring the pain" by mindless self indulgence. At first, it just seemed like a really fun song that I loved. Then one day, a black dude was in my car listening with me, and he was like "wtf is this song about?". That's when it hit me that the song actually sounds REALLY racist. I looked up the lyrics and that just confirmed it for me. And then years later, I found out it was actually a cover of a method man song, and not really racist at all, I guess. But thats a weird one, maybe best not for white guys to be singing it...
Yeah I used to love MSI and never really listened to the lyrics closely. Dude covers songs by black artists and straight up sings the N word.
See also his cover of "Big Poppa"
The more I looked into Jimmy Urine, the more problematic it got, like grooming a teenage girl.
Ah, what? Fuck man, I listen to Jimmy Urine every day :-(
Fuck.
That second one sucks because I love Fighting with the Melody, it's just such chaos
I saw MSI sometime in the mid to late 2000s. It was at a club in DC and Jimmy Urine said, sorry I can't stay after the show and make-out with anyone because I got mono for some teenagers I made out with a few days ago.
It was very odd to announce in the middle of the set. I knew he was a year or so older than me and I found it very disgusting that he was talking about making out with teens so nonchalantly. Jimmy was probably about 30 at the time as I was late 20s.
The cover definitely goes hard though. I’m legitimately stunned to see MSI mentioned at all, especially at the top of a thread. I’ve been a huge fan of theirs for decades, and rarely if ever see anyone mention them.
Same. I don't condone them but their songs go hard. I don't fund them either since I downloaded the music. Did you listen to their most recent release?
No, but you’d better believe I’ll be bumping that on the way to work tomorrow. Even though they’re one of my top bands, I haven’t check much as of late since their last release was about 9 years ago, and I didn’t think it was too good.
Did you know Jimmy played a ravager in Guardians of the Galaxy?
I did. Apparently him and James Gunn are close friends. But he’s only in the second one.
I about shit when I saw him
Richmen North of Richmond.
I love the sound, and at first it sounds like a pro worker union song (and it kinda is).
But there's way too much dog whistle.... An old soul in a new world.... Dude the south lost and slavery is bad. I'm sorry
And then he slips in some super disappointing language about fat people on welfare.
Dude the south lost and slavery is bad. I’m sorry
WTF? Don't be sorry about that!
I know it's just sort of a reflexive idiomatic politeness, but still, it is really important to make it absolutely crystal clear how irredeemably contemptible the "lost cause" shit take is, at every opportunity. Never, ever be polite about it!
Thank you.
"The south lost and slavery is bad, kindly get fucked."
Sorry as a Canadian and a woman I just can't not be polite.....
Oh, no. We make an exception for Canadians. We know that if you stop being polite, Geneva is going to have to cut down a forest to write new regulations.
Sherman did nothing wrong.
Yes he did. Sherman stopped before he hung the traitorous leadership.
Yeah, never leave that job half done.
Shh, Don't let Israel hear you!
An old soul in a new world… Dude the south lost and slavery is bad. I’m sorry
I think that's an uncharitable reading. Which is understandable, but still.
I think that there are a lot of people--myself included--that would like to be able to make a living doing something that seems to matter, or where you make something. Like, factory work sucks in most ways, but it still feels like you're doing something. Spreadsheets and order projections? Staring at a screen all day, sending polite emails to people you'll never meet about ways to spend a lot of money electronically?
This "new world" of work and socializing ain't great. I think it snuck up on a lot of people, and now a lot of people are feeling like they don't know how to navigate the new reality of depersonalization.
I agree. Nearly every lyric in that song, when isolated, sounds fine and agreeable. Even when he attacks people on welfare "if you're 5'- 3 and 300lbs, taxes ought not to pay, for your bags of fudge rounds." Isn't wrong.
Taxes shouldn't be used by fat cats to get fatter. But he isn't saying that. He is punching down and attacking a group of people who are suffering in "the new world" just like him, and a fucking bag of cookies is one of the few joys they can still aquire. He could have chosen to attack the elite, even if he only meant the ones to the North. He didn't.
"It's a damn shame, what the world's gotten to, for people like me, and people like you."
Sounds great. Now picture his audience. Who are they, and who are they thinking of when they hear that line?
This song is called "Richmen North of Richmond." It's the Northerner's fault all these bad things are happening.
It's that movie with Rowdy Piper and the glasses. You have to put them on to see the whole message. Dog whistling at its finest.
If he had made a few small changes it could have been a powerful pro-worker lament and I would be playing it to death. Instead it was #11 on Trump's "Standing on the stage for 44 minutes swaying back and forth because America is so easy to con so why not?"
It's a damn shame.
He is punching down and attacking a group of people who are suffering in “the new world” just like him, and a fucking bag of cookies is one of the few joys they can still aquire.
I know a lot of people that are quite overall politically liberal that feel this way. I know a lot of people that get upset at the idea of inmates being given "free" educations in prison because they still have student loans 20 years after school. People that support the ideas of helping people up, that are fully on board with LGBTQ+ rights across the board, think DEI is a good idea, think it's critical that women have bodily autonomy, and so on, but still have a knee-jerk reaction to things that they don't fully get, or haven't had explained to them.
I don't know if he meant the song that way, or what. I do know that the people coming into the White House in a few months aren't likely to make things any better for people like him. Or people like you. Or people like me.
Wish I could just wake up and it not be true.
But it is. Oh it is.
"Vamos a playa" by Righeira carries a lightweight, upbeat tune that vacationers might hum on the way to the beach. But the Spanish lyrics reveal that it's about the devastation left behind by nuclear armaments. And the schism between trying to live an ordinary life whilst having a nuclear Damocles sword waver over your head. That it became such a world wide hit makes it all the more ironic. I love it all the more for it.
99 luftballoons is similar.
The 80s was oddly dark.
"Opens up one eager eye" is an incredibly eldritch lyric.
Ay dios mio! I never knew this and always thought of it as cheesy vacation song.
Hey there Delilah
The dude who wrote it is a creep
Dang. Just looked it up. It's a song about a girl he met once and was dating someone else, but he still wrote a damn ballad and sent her a copy. Then she had to live her life surrounded by a song about a stranger's feelings for her.
And looking at the lyrics, they're sweet if said about a long-distance partner, but really weird to sing to a vague acquaintence.
It's also one of the most inescapable songs on public radio ever.
Sex Type Thing by Stone Temple Pilots. Great music, love STP, but it's basically about raping someone.
Scott Weiland was compelled to write the lyrics after an incident in which a girl he was dating was raped by three high school football players after a party. Thus, Weiland has stated the song is an anti-rape statement, not a song simply about sex, saying: "This song is really not about sex at all. It’s about control, violence and abuse of power."
Weiland found himself in the position of defending "Sex Type Thing" to individuals who took the first-person approach he used in the song ("I am a man, a man/I'll give ya something that ya won't forget/I said ya shouldn't have worn that dress") literally. "It was, 'All right, the "Cop Killer" controversy's dead, let's try to find something else,' " says Weiland, who has been outspoken in the press about women's rights and contends that he wrote the song in the mind-set of what he has called "the typical American macho jerk" because he didn't want to sound peachy. "I never thought that people would ever seriously think that I was an advocate of date rape."
I got that back when it came out and always wondered why folks treated it like alternative pop. It's seems like a dark mirror on rape to me.
That is what it was.
It was criticizing something from the first person perspective like Nirvana'a Polly, or The Police's Every Breath You Take.
Jump by Van Halen when found out that it's about hanging yourself.
Well, I still like it but it's with a double feeling.
From genius.com : "The original inspiration for the lyrics came from David Lee Roth watching a person on TV who was threatening to commit suicide by jumping off of a building and Roth figured someone in the crowd must be thinking, “Go ahead and jump”. It was, however, not written about suicide – the song is about ‘jumping’ on the opportunity to hook up with someone."
Though I can see where you got that.
The lyric "I jump up and nothing gets me down" jumping off a stool/chair but because of the noose he doesn't get down.
But I can see your point.
Doesn't it say "I get up and nothing gets me down"? I always thought that sentence described being motivated and not letting anyone ruin your good mood.
We played this song in high school marching band lol
I thought it was about starting a fight, like jumping someone.
TIL
Brown Sugar by the Rolling Stones. It's a song about banging a slave, but I didn't know that as a kid.
Similarly, watching the music video for Africa by Toto changes the entire vibe of the song. It’s about wanting to bang a black woman. Bless those rains, I guess.
Based on the lyrics I always thought it was about werewolves.
Wait until you find out about "Stray Cat Blues."
The period between hearing and knowing what the song was about was nearly instantaneous but "Smack my bitch up" has an incredibly catchy tune.
It'd be really nice if they released an instrumental version one day.
Yeah, I feel like what that insight "means" is in the eye of the beholder. It's definitely not great in the context of the original song either, but it's a bit less in-your-face.
When I first heard it my brain convinced me that the lyrics were "Snap my Picture" for some reason.
Then I saw the video.
Honestly, that sounds like it'd make a pretty good Weird Al parody.
Not sure, if I stopped listening to mainstream music around that time, but uh, both of my examples are from 2011, apparently:
Kind of a classic response to this question, is "Pumped Up Kicks" from Foster The People. It's got that upbeat melody, and the lyrics are this:
All the other kids with the pumped up kicks
You’d better run, better run, outrun my gun
All the other kids with the pumped up kicks
You’d better run, better run, faster than my bullet.
And my other example is "The A Team", apparently originally from Ed Sheeran, and apparently also with an upbeat melody. I think, I only ever listened to a cover version. But yeah, it's about drug use and sex work, and how those kind of necessitate each other...
I think pumped up kicks is actually a really poignant statement on how normalized gun violence is in the states, to the point where this song was all over radios and I'm sure all over high school dances and nobody thought twice about it. Like obviously the band did it intentionally but the fact that the point was missed so hard by everyone who sang along. It is like Hey Ya vibes to me, or smells like teen spirit for the older crowds. The point is to take these very serious ideas and use them to highlight people's willful ignorance.
most of Rammstein, but specifically Mutter
For me it was Mein Teil. I'm used to most of Rammstein's dark stuff, but man, this one is deeply disturbing.
Lyrics for those who are curious and not squeamish
I just listen to the Left Podcast on the Left episode about him.
at least it was consensual, not like Wiener Blut or Ich tue dir weh
I'm learning so much from these comments...
Closing time by Semisonic I thought it was about going home with someone after a night out at the bar. It’s about the lead singers child being born.
Seriously? Well he could have made that more clear.
Sort of, Dan Wilson said he had the idea while writing the song because his wife was pregnant so he slipped it in as a double entendre. It's like 90% bar closing with a couple lines alluding to being born: "Closing time, this room won't be open till your brothers or your sisters come".
Did he sing about his wife’s womb as a pub that’s closing and expelling the drunkards?
Constipated by Weird Al. That changed me.
In the other direction from most of them here, “Losing my Religion” hit a lot harder before I realized it was just about anger.
Wait till you read and watch Take me to church
In the Summertime by Mungo Jerry. It's such a nice catchy tune that I enjoyed until my partner pointed out:
Have a drink, have a drive
Go out and see what you can find
If her daddy's rich, take her out for a meal
If her daddy's poor, just do what you feel
Which, ew.
Sting. Every step you take. It's actually angry and malicious. There's an interview with Sting saying something to that effect.
Do you maybe mean "Every Breath You Take" by The Police?
That's a common answer to this kind of question. A lot of people think of it as cute and romantic at first, but the song really talk about the Big Brother (from George Orwell's 1984): a state of constant surveillance watching "every breath you take, every move you make".
I have no idea how anyone who's even vaguely tuned into that song thinks it's romantic.
Heck, there a folks out there that still insist that "The Boys of Summer" is about baseball.
Since you've gone, I've been lost without a trace
I dream at night, I can only see your face
I look around, but it's you I can't replace
I feel so cold, and I long for your embrace
I keep crying, baby, baby please
Oh, can't you see
You belong to me?
How my poor heart aches
With every step you take?
I understand the full lyrics, but most songs generally default to romanticism. If you're not paying attention it's easy to misinterpret.
If you're not paying attention, you hear the "I'm watching you" part, which is creepy as fuck.
Yes that's the one I'm talking about. I could have sworn I heard an interview about him talking about how it's about someone stalking a former lover. Memory is weird that way. You're interpretation is probably the one I'm going to go with from now on though I like that more.
I could see it being a bit of both. Lyrics are often inspired by something and describing something else. In this case, someone stalking a former lover could be seen as "going full 1984's Big Brother" on them... and it makes sense with the whole romantic mood that the song has: the stalker sees themself as romantic and sings it that way, but when you look closer you realise it's actually very creepy.
I think it's really interesting how people interpret music completely different than other forms of art. People sometimes assume the worst instead of realizing that the singer is speaking from another perspective. So for example if a writer has a first person perspective of a killer/rapist you wouldn't make an association that the author is anything of the sort. But if they wrote a song and sang it then people would question if they really felt that way. Polly is a great example. By many accounts (Kathleen Hanna , Kim Gordon) Cobain championed feminism and woman's rights but the lyrics of Polly are brutal and from the perpetrator view. Randy Newman's - Rednecks is a tough one to listen to. You can understand how it is trying to point out ignorance and racism like Blazing Saddles but it's sung in first person and should never be played in a public setting.
Oingo Bongo's - Little Girs was always a bit creepy now seems to age poorly the more time has gone on.
Minor Threat - Guilty of being white is a tough listen because you know racist people think this is a rallying cry instead of the emotionly reaction from a a teenage kid who was bullied in highschool for being white.
So for example if a writer has a first person perspective of a killer/rapist you wouldn’t make an association that the author is anything of the sort.
That does happen all the time in movies, shows, books, and other forms of art. "What kind of a person would come up with that" isn't an uncommon accusation.
Sure but I think it is less immediate. In music we have to make a decision if they are speaking about themselves nonfiction or fiction and in a book or movie we assume they are creating fictional character.
Vladimir Nabokov got criticized and accused over writing Lolita all the time.
If you know anything about the history of punk music and east coast hardcore, Ian MacKaye was clearly one of the most principled people in the scene, and a genuinely good and decent person. So it's really weird to hear that people ever got the weird idea that he was pro-racism or something.
Then again, The Dead Kennedys had to make "Nazi Punks Fuck Off" because they were sick of their shows being infiltrated by the wrong kind of skinheads.
Oh I know. But minor threat and black flag used to have these neoNazis show up at their shows. I think he acknowledged that once he realized they wanted to use his frustration for oppression they stopped playing it. I think it was in, "this band could be your life". Much like X hating the fans who cheered on "Johnny hit and run Pauline" from "decline of the western civilization". It's crazy how people twist things.
[Verse 1]
Two ravens in the old oak tree
And one for you and one for me
And bluebells in the late December
I see signs now all the time
The last time we slept together
There was something that was not there
You never wanted to alarm me
But I'm the one that's drowning now
[Verse 2]
I can sleep forever these days
Cause in my dreams I see you again
But this time-fleshed out fuller face
In your confirmation dress
It was so like you to visit me
To let me know you were okay
It was so like you to visit me
You're always worried about someone else
[Bridge]
At your funeral I was so upset
So, so upset
In your life you were larger than this
Statue statuesque
[Chorus] (x2)
I see signs now all the time
That you're not dead, you're sleeping
I believe in anything
That brings you back home to me
I hate this song. Literally sobbing at the fear of the state my mental health would be in if my wife suddenly passed.
Harper Road from Sun Kil Moon is similar, super beautiful song but tragic fucking lyrics
My blood runs through my lonely daughter
Her eyes are mine, so wild with wonder
Be my voice, my light, my power
Be with me in my leaving hour
Baby, It's Cold Outside. It's such a fun song as the guy and girl go back and forth. Until you realize that he's guilting her into sleeping with him. Eww!
No, it is about both people coming up with excuses for her to stay when social expectations mean staying scandalous and everyone else would gossip.
The original film the song appears (Neptune's Daughter) in actually sings the song twice. The first one is very clearly "I want to leave" vs "but you can't." He literally takes the hat off of her head, and she seems very irritated throughout.
The second is a woman trying to stop a man from leaving, to the degree that he ends up putting her clothes on by mistake in an attempt to leave faster. And, as assault of men often is, it's portrayed for laughs.
The entire song is someone refusing to take "no" for an answer. At no point does the typically female role ever make an excuse to STAY, only to LEAVE.
Edit: No idea why "the song where a man stops a woman from leaving is a bit rapey" is a controversial opinion.
I think you are mistaking the desire to leave as a personal desire and not an obligation due to social pressure.
The socond set of back and forth is all about other people's expectations and then hesitsting.
My mother will start to worry (beautiful, what's your hurry?)
And father will be pacing the floor (listen to the fireplace roar)
So really I'd better scurry (beautiful, please don't hurry)
Well maybe just a half a drink more (put some records on while I pour)
Watch the damn scene. She is trying to brush him off. She wants to leave, and he is not letting her. She is politely saying no, and he is politely forcing her to stay. Even if it is due to social pressure, let her fucking leave.
"Well maybe just a half a drink more" is said when he has just snatched the coat off her back and is still holding it. Her face is a picture of resignation, not coy flirtation. She then asks "say, what's in this drink" and puts it down with a scowl on her face.
This is flirtatious by the standards of a Sean Connery movie.
But you say they are coming up with excuses for her. There are no excuses provided there.
The song predates that by five years.
I didn't know that. Looked it up. It was only publicly released around the film, and only sung at parties before that. Also, he sold the song without his wife's consent and it almost ended their marriage.
Ughhh, no no no no no. It's them debating on what excuse she will use so the community doesn't slut shame her!
Nope. In the original scene in Neptune's Daughter, she is actively trying to leave and he is doing everything he can to stop her. Note that she never makes an excuse to stay, only to leave.
Frank Loesser's son, John, was interviewed about the song by the Palm Bean Post in 2010 that was reprinted on the official site for his dad. From the article:
“My father wrote that song as a piece of special material for he and my mother to do at parties,” says John Loesser, who runs the Lyric Theatre in Stuart, and is the son of legendary composer Frank Loesser (Guys and Dolls, How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying.)
Frank Loesser’s wife, Lynn, was a nightclub singer who had moved from Terre Haute, Ind. to New York in search of a career. She was singing in a nightclub when she met Frank Loesser around 1930.
The song itself was written in 1944, when Loesser and his wife had just moved into the Hotel Navarro in New York. They gave a housewarming party for themselves and when they did the number, everybody went crazy.
“We had to do it over and over again,” Lynn Loesser told her kids, “and we became instant parlor room stars.”
Performers started to take note of the song, and record covers of it. It's also featured in the 1949 musical comedy Neptune's Daughter as sung by Ricardo Montalbán and Esther Williams below. And in that movie, it takes an ironic tone since the movie takes place in a warm climate. It also earned Loesser an Academy Award for Best Original Song.
I didn't know that. So I looked it up, and it seems the intent of the song is to tell their guests to leave. Also, he sold the song without his wife's consent, and it almost ended their marriage.
Frank Loesser's son, John, was interviewed about the song by the Palm Bean Post in 2010 that was reprinted on the official site for his dad. From the article:
“My father wrote that song as a piece of special material for he and my mother to do at parties,” says John Loesser, who runs the Lyric Theatre in Stuart, and is the son of legendary composer Frank Loesser (Guys and Dolls, How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying.)
Frank Loesser’s wife, Lynn, was a nightclub singer who had moved from Terre Haute, Ind. to New York in search of a career. She was singing in a nightclub when she met Frank Loesser around 1930.
The song itself was written in 1944, when Loesser and his wife had just moved into the Hotel Navarro in New York. They gave a housewarming party for themselves and when they did the number, everybody went crazy.
“We had to do it over and over again,” Lynn Loesser told her kids, “and we became instant parlor room stars.”
Performers started to take note of the song, and record covers of it. It's also featured in the 1949 musical comedy Neptune's Daughter as sung by Ricardo Montalbán and Esther Williams below. And in that movie, it takes an ironic tone since the movie takes place in a warm climate. It also earned Loesser an Academy Award for Best Original Song.
There is a version out there where they try to tone down the rapey elements. Sadly, it's pretty clunky how they do it.
Actually there weren't any "rapey" elements at the time. They're only there when viewed through a modern lense, completely ignoring the culture and standards of the time.
And the version where they tried to tone down the rapey elements was in 2019, shortly after the #MeToo movement. We are also having this conversation today, and not in 1949.
If you're saying the standards of the time make it acceptable, I say that reflects really badly on the standards of the time. By the standards of the time, black people had fewer rights than white men. I hope to fuck we can improve upon the standards of the 1940s.
When people consume media it's important to have context. Short-sighted inability to contextualize anything outside of our current standards doesn't help anyone at all and actually makes understanding and moving forward more difficult.
If you’re saying the standards of the time make it acceptable, I say that reflects really badly on the standards of the time. By the standards of the time, black people had fewer rights than white men. I hope to fuck we can improve upon the standards of the 1940s.
The standards were quite different that's for sure. That's why it's important to understand that it was a different era. An unmarried woman willingly staying with a man was destroying her reputation at that time even if she wanted to.
I understand that the film was not problematic for the time period, and it was seen as romantic. I also understand that the fact it was not seen as a problem was a fucking problem. And I understand that the only way to overcome a problem is to acknowledge that there is one. Hindsight is a fucking benefit, and with the benefit of hindsight, that song is pretty fucking rapey.
Once again, the song was played TWICE in the movie, and the second one was sung with a man being convinced to stay. It was not about reputation. It was about not wanting to be there.
Why are you so insistent that the woman saying no actually wanted it?
Because in the context of the song, she's saying she wants to stay. I've never seen the movie you're talking about so maybe it was played differently there but when the song was released it was obviously a duet between two people who wanted to "do stuff" but were unable to due to norms and societies judgement.
Why are you so insistent on portraying the woman as a victim and the man as rapist when that's clearly not what was intended?
...No she fucking isn't. She never says she wants to stay.
I simply must go (Baby, it's cold outside)
The answer is, "No" (But, baby, it's cold outside)
She says no. He ignores her. I don't give a fuck what was intended, I only care about what was said. What was said was a violation of consent. If you want the intent to reflect in the song to a modern ear (which are the only ears we have) then change the lyrics.
Yeah I'm familiar with the reddit argument I just think it's half the story. It was written by a husband and wife but you clearly have an axe to grind so go off king.
Have a nice night.
I'm not familiar with the reddit argument, but nice attempt to dodge what I said.
Frank Loesser's son, John, was interviewed about the song by the Palm Bean Post in 2010 that was reprinted on the official site for his dad. From the article:
“My father wrote that song as a piece of special material for he and my mother to do at parties,” says John Loesser, who runs the Lyric Theatre in Stuart, and is the son of legendary composer Frank Loesser (Guys and Dolls, How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying.)
Frank Loesser’s wife, Lynn, was a nightclub singer who had moved from Terre Haute, Ind. to New York in search of a career. She was singing in a nightclub when she met Frank Loesser around 1930.
The song itself was written in 1944, when Loesser and his wife had just moved into the Hotel Navarro in New York. They gave a housewarming party for themselves and when they did the number, everybody went crazy.
“We had to do it over and over again,” Lynn Loesser told her kids, “and we became instant parlor room stars.”
Performers started to take note of the song, and record covers of it. It's also featured in the 1949 musical comedy Neptune's Daughter as sung by Ricardo Montalbán and Esther Williams below. And in that movie, it takes an ironic tone since the movie takes place in a warm climate. It also earned Loesser an Academy Award for Best Original Song.
You provided historical context while not actually addressing the contents of the song. There's really nothing to respond to. Plus, I can't have been ignoring anything since I was asleep. There is no point in spamming this.
Frank Loesser's son, John, was interviewed about the song by the Palm Bean Post in 2010 that was reprinted on the official site for his dad. From the article:
“My father wrote that song as a piece of special material for he and my mother to do at parties,” says John Loesser, who runs the Lyric Theatre in Stuart, and is the son of legendary composer Frank Loesser (Guys and Dolls, How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying.)
Frank Loesser’s wife, Lynn, was a nightclub singer who had moved from Terre Haute, Ind. to New York in search of a career. She was singing in a nightclub when she met Frank Loesser around 1930.
The song itself was written in 1944, when Loesser and his wife had just moved into the Hotel Navarro in New York. They gave a housewarming party for themselves and when they did the number, everybody went crazy.
“We had to do it over and over again,” Lynn Loesser told her kids, “and we became instant parlor room stars.”
Performers started to take note of the song, and record covers of it. It's also featured in the 1949 musical comedy Neptune's Daughter as sung by Ricardo Montalbán and Esther Williams below. And in that movie, it takes an ironic tone since the movie takes place in a warm climate. It also earned Loesser an Academy Award for Best Original Song.
You think from the title it would be obvious. Never thought why it was named like that until after I realized what the song was about.
It's about anal fisting, yes, but only as a metaphor for the desensitization caused by modern life. It's got layers
Not saying I don't like the song. Great song
Just the song hits slightly different after you realize what "Relax, turn around and take my hand" can mean.
Like an ogre
Finger deep inside. This may hurt a little, but it's something you get used to. Relax....turn around and take my hand ....
A cute girl I knew a few years ago got the Orion Experience (group) on my radar and I learned recently that while yes the songs are clearly about a sexual deviant (which is what made them cool bruh), it's about that kind of sexual deviant, because Orion very much likes kids apparently
That fucking ruins everything and they're bops that I can't get out of my head sometimes, so that's nice
Don't look into the story behind "My Sharona" by The Knack.
Hard Habit To Break by Chicago is pretty straightforward, but I liked it on the radio as a kid because it's peppy and has an orchestra.
Decades later I get access to music service libraries and give it a listen.
I was a jerk and you left me, and now you're with another guy. I'm not sorry. I'm not going to do better. But I have an orchestra!
I still like it, but have perspective now.
In my late teens one of my friend gave me thumb stick with some poorly tagged mp3 mess. It was mostly black metal which I kind of liked (still do, some of it, sometimes when the mood is right). Years later I found out it was compilation of some NSBM bullshit. Not that it mattered in lyrics, as it was allindistinguishable, impossible to hear in true black metal "recorded band jam on a tape in one go from room next door" style, but still... People producing that pretty good music were probably the most degenerate retards in their countries (from USA, through France to Russia).
NSBM?
National Socialist (Nazi) black metal
Oh. Yikes!
Already explained by others, so basically they were/are nazi scum.
Tears in heaven from Eric Clapton. I always liked this song, and didn't have a special connotation. But after learning its backstory, now I just feel sadness when I hear it. :-(
I don't know what the vast majority of songs I listen to are about. I have some genetic defect that makes it near impossible to hear lyrics. It all sounds like melody to me.
Do you know the name of the defect? Sounds interesting, I'd like to read up on it.
I doubt it's a real thing that has a name. I tried asking chatGPT about it and it said it's called melodic masking / auditory masking but I didn't really find any information that matches my experience.
It's not that I don't hear the vocals, I just struggle to register it as language. It just sounds more like yet another instrument.
Well, as I said, I never paid attention to the lyrics before I looked them up. 🤷♂️
Such an upbeat 90s pop song with lyrics like "doing crystal meth will lift you up until you break."
Pretty much everything that's EDM. Lots of Deadmau5 songs sound like they're meaningful when you only catch a few words here and there, then you read the lyrics and find out they're all about sex. Pomegranate is a good example. I still like them, but I don't think they're meaningful now.
"Freshmen" by the Verve Pipe
When I loved this song as a teenager I did understand that it was about the girlfriend’s suicide, but I missed the abortion piece. I assumed the “baby’s breath” referenced wedding flowers and “shoe full of rice” was like the rice you throw on newlyweds.
Turns out the only true part of the story is the abortion, which is a rough topic but not inherently tragic. TBH these days a song about abortion could be considered wishful thinking. (Or even celebratory? Cue the Sextina Aquafina abortion song from Bojack.) The suicide is poetic license, but does make for a beautiful narrative of guilt and naïveté.
Contemporary to that one is "Brick" by Ben Folds Five...
I stopped explaining to people why they were selling their gifts, and where he was dropping her off...After a while, I felt as though I was just ruining something that made people happy.
Same with "Pumped Up Kicks" - although that one, I thought, was pretty self explanatory. I guess people just jam to the beat, and don't pay attention to the lyrics
Someone should make a spotify Playlist of all of these songs
I’m surprised at the number of people who don’t know Weezer’s “Hashpipe” is about male prostitution.
I don't like Mondays from the Boomtown Rats.
Mind, when I first heard it my English was not that good so I really only got the Chorus about not liking Mondays (and who does, eh?). Dismissed the "shoot the whole day down" as an idiom for something which I did not know.
Then at some point much later I realized it's actually a school shooting.
the two Who rock operas are chock full of stuff that went over my head because i heard them when i was younger than i probably should have been. in this case the songs are written from character POVs so i wouldn't say they make me think less of the band because of the content, but jeez, 10 year old me never would've figured Love Reign O'er Me for example was about a suicide attempt as opposed to, you know, feeling loved
Running to the Sea - Royksopp. Now that I know it's about some sort of terrorist attack, I just feel weird listening to it now
I liked Poor Leno though
I remember listening to Frank Zappa’s Bobby Brown when I was a kid, not knowing English at all. Great song but very inappropriate for kids, which my parents probably thought was funny.
Uncle Kracker - Follow me. I used to sing the shit out of it, because I just liked the tune. Until I learn there was a whole different meaning than just "I'm the better guy" lyrics.
I still humm it, but it hits differently.
5 minutes alone by pantera,
I mean come on...
Despacito. Kinda weird lyrics.
Nuttin No Go So
The original "football moves" clip went viral a long time ago, and the song goes along well with it. Took me a while to understand just how awfully reactionary the lyrics are.
Not so much found out about but songs that didn't used to bother me now kind of bother me. I was a very big Stone Temple Pilots fan, Even though the rhythms slap the songs are a little too rapey these days for my taste.
Canon in D (piano version) sounds like a cool relaxing music. But I learned people use it for weddings. Ruined it. I don't want any of my music to be tied to something stupid like weddings.
Ok, I'll bite.
Why are weddings stupid?
hey, isn't that the guy that was left at the alter when his fiancé ran off with his dad?
Oof. That sounds rough.
yeah, poor guy lost his father and sister in the same day.
??? Lol must be thinking of someone else. I havn't been using lemmy for a year
Semi-Charmed Life, by Third Eye Blind. Basically, it's a song about doing meth... Spent almost twenty years just singing the chorus with absolutely no idea what the rest of the lyrics were. Now, it kinda feels weird, ngl.
I, as a child, did a music class presentation on "my favourite song of the year" on this little ditty.
Whoops!
Edit: To clarify, then, much like now, I listened to the music and not the lyrics. I don't know if that's common at all, but the singing is basically another instrument to me, and I hardly ever pay attention to the actual words.
Much of the time I can't even make out the lyrics, so I listen to music the same way
I think it's fairly common to not always pay close attention to the lyrics. Most of the time, you hear a song on the radio, and you can't always make out what it's saying, but you're still able to enjoy the music and the singing melody. Until you pay more attention or you seek out the lyrics, then you're often surprised about what it's saying, cause the lyrics weren't the point when you used to listen to the song. It doesn't mean that it's world-changing or anything, but it just takes you by surprise.
I listen to music the exact same way. I will maybe pay attention to the chorus or catchy line, but a lot of lyrics are lost on me.
I'm the same way, actually.
ITT: People on the spectrum
Woo woo! Auditory Processing Disorder!
YEP.
Ok, uhhhh… you are saying here that difficulty understanding the words to music is an autism thing?
You're not alone there, snoop had an album come out the year before and after that both sold as explicit but that album didn't.
But it's about how the excitement of meth, like that of a new relationship, fades and leaves the speaker wanting something more substantial while still fondly reminiscing about the good times.
The speaker thinks of the girl as a "sunburn" he "would like to save." He describes meth as something that "will lift you up until you break." I think these characterizations point very strongly toward nostalgic longing and away from the glorification of addiction or even that of drug use. So no reason to feel weird I think.
There's also an extra verse, which wasn't in the radio edit, that I think further supports what you're saying.
I guess you're right, I just never gave the song much thought. It's just that it kinda felt like some happy song and I never paid attention to what it was saying, then I looked them up one day, out of curiosity, and I guess it juat felt unexpected to me, and that's why it felt weird. Thinking about what you said makes me want to give the song another listen with an open mind, I guess.
Not so much a song about doing meth as it's a song about the ramifications of doing meth. "Doing crystal meth will lift you up until you break" it mentions lockjaw at the end and even talks about watching the love of his life die to an od.
I didn't know it was about Crystal meth for a really long time because I only heard it on the radio for many many years and they only played a clean version where the phrase "Crystal Meth" is cut out in a way that's not really obvious it was edited so I just never understood the lyrics.
"The sky was gold, it was rose, I was taking sips of it through my nose..." didn't clue you in?
Nope. That song came out when I was ten, so I had no clue it was about anything like that until probably a decade later.
Oh. Never mind, I'm old.
I love people being surprised by this song when a verse literally says 'doing crystal meth will lift you up until you break'.
"It won't stop, I won't come down
I keep stock with the tick-tock rhythm
I bump for the drop, and then I bumped up
I took the hit that I was given, then I bumped again
Then I bumped again"
That entire verse, but honestly rereading the lyrics, I'm amazed that got radio play in the Bible belt. I know it did, because I heard it uncensored in southeastern Indiana.
Fun fact: Semi Charmed Kinda Life made it into a late '90s Disney film about surfers. They didn't even bleep anything because, I assume, they couldn't understand what he was singing.
Another fun fact is that the original radio edit that charted is different from the album version / version that is on streaming these days. It lacks verse 3
“All that she wants” by Ace of Base. I read a deep dive into the band and it seems like they may have been formed after a neo-nazi group and that song might be about Jews trying to dilute the bloodline… so yeah kinda weird now.
Oh fuck, no way.
Ok, I read thenlink and the bassist was an opely total piece of shit before joining the band but I didn't see anyhing about the AoB songs being hidden propaganda or the rest of the band's history. Where does the speculation come from?
https://www.cracked.com/blog/how-90s-pop-band-secretly-sold-nazism-to-america
That was my first exposure to the theory, I've never been able to confirm nor deny it conclusively, especially since cracked.com back in those times was only mostly satire. Like 99% of the pieces were satire, and then they'd publish something that wasn't satire, and this could be a good example of that. Either way, I bought their CD way back when.
That seems completely serious and not satire at all.
Since I never saw the videos, my assumption was that 'wants another baby' was wanting to sleep around with multiple partners as in 'I love you baby', not having a literal baby. The six pointed stars and the cradle is pretty fucking clear it is about a Jewish woman sleeping around to have multiple babies, and yeah that is apparently one of those 'Jews are taking over' racist stereotypes.
Now I'm guessing that the Sign is a swastika.
Thanks for the link, I'm gonna go throw that album in the trash and feel like a jackass for not catching on earlier.
Ooof, TIL..
Their song "Happy Nation" sounds pretty questionable to me, too.
What??!! I wish this wasn't a thing. But thanks for the info. Arrrrgh though...
Mr Brightside by the Killers. The tune was good and felt energetic when it came about, but it's about a guy being cheated on. Having had someone cheat on me around the time it came out it hit really close to home and I just don't enjoy listening to the song.
The problem with being in the UK is that it's so overplayed and I just have to tune it out.
It's not. It's about a guy who can't beat jealousy and believes he's being cheated on "except it's all in [his] head"
Ah my bad. I thought the song was written by Brandon Flowers after catching his girlfriend cheating on him in a bar in his hometown of Las Vegas.
https://www.radiox.co.uk/artists/the-killers/what-is-the-killers-song-mr-brightside-about/
From the article "The lyric is about a man who is obsessed with a girl that is seeing another man… and the thoughts that go through his head, imagining what they’re doing behind closed doors…" I guess I was wrong, it's envy not jealousy.
No, it's a song about a nice guy not getting his crush.
I second one of the other commenters who says that the song is about the perception of being cheated on. It's funny, after the first day I ever went on with my partner that song played and for a little while we considered it our song, then eventually kind of faded as they both realized the song didn't relate to us very well. Now I can look back years later, after going through a lot of therapy and self enrichment and I can realize that those kind of paranoia really did plague our early relationship. I'm glad that we were able to move on from it
Pretty much all Linkin Park songs.
Listened to it since elementary.
Around high school, I figured the lyrics were kinda dark.
Then the vocalist hung himself.
Sadly, Chester grew up being horribly abused and then using a lot of drugs. He was super close with Chris Cornell, who had also killed himself some months prior to Chester. Chester had been sober for a time but ended up staying the night alone after traveling and drank a little and hung himself on Chris's birthday.
Mike Shinoda has stated in interviews that when he and Chester would write lyrics, they would focus on the emotion and not necessarily just the exact experience. So the lyrics would slowly evolve until they both could sing them truthfully while relating them to their own separate lived experiences, which is part of why they can be so universally related to - because none of their songs are truly only about one specific thing, but rather about the feelings people experience.
Fuck, man, that is some depressing backstory.
I can hear that.
Staying sober at home with family can be hard enough, but when traveling, that's hardcore mode.
That makes sense. The thing about experiences and feelings, it's something we can all related to which is why we love their music. Chester, we will never forget you.
Well, one that maybe went full circle for me is "bring the pain" by mindless self indulgence. At first, it just seemed like a really fun song that I loved. Then one day, a black dude was in my car listening with me, and he was like "wtf is this song about?". That's when it hit me that the song actually sounds REALLY racist. I looked up the lyrics and that just confirmed it for me. And then years later, I found out it was actually a cover of a method man song, and not really racist at all, I guess. But thats a weird one, maybe best not for white guys to be singing it...
Yeah I used to love MSI and never really listened to the lyrics closely. Dude covers songs by black artists and straight up sings the N word.
See also his cover of "Big Poppa"
The more I looked into Jimmy Urine, the more problematic it got, like grooming a teenage girl.
Ah, what? Fuck man, I listen to Jimmy Urine every day :-(
Fuck.
That second one sucks because I love Fighting with the Melody, it's just such chaos
I saw MSI sometime in the mid to late 2000s. It was at a club in DC and Jimmy Urine said, sorry I can't stay after the show and make-out with anyone because I got mono for some teenagers I made out with a few days ago.
It was very odd to announce in the middle of the set. I knew he was a year or so older than me and I found it very disgusting that he was talking about making out with teens so nonchalantly. Jimmy was probably about 30 at the time as I was late 20s.
The cover definitely goes hard though. I’m legitimately stunned to see MSI mentioned at all, especially at the top of a thread. I’ve been a huge fan of theirs for decades, and rarely if ever see anyone mention them.
Same. I don't condone them but their songs go hard. I don't fund them either since I downloaded the music. Did you listen to their most recent release?
No, but you’d better believe I’ll be bumping that on the way to work tomorrow. Even though they’re one of my top bands, I haven’t check much as of late since their last release was about 9 years ago, and I didn’t think it was too good.
Did you know Jimmy played a ravager in Guardians of the Galaxy?
I did. Apparently him and James Gunn are close friends. But he’s only in the second one.
I about shit when I saw him
Richmen North of Richmond.
I love the sound, and at first it sounds like a pro worker union song (and it kinda is).
But there's way too much dog whistle.... An old soul in a new world.... Dude the south lost and slavery is bad. I'm sorry
And then he slips in some super disappointing language about fat people on welfare.
WTF? Don't be sorry about that!
I know it's just sort of a reflexive idiomatic politeness, but still, it is really important to make it absolutely crystal clear how irredeemably contemptible the "lost cause" shit take is, at every opportunity. Never, ever be polite about it!
Thank you.
"The south lost and slavery is bad, kindly get fucked."
Sorry as a Canadian and a woman I just can't not be polite.....
Oh, no. We make an exception for Canadians. We know that if you stop being polite, Geneva is going to have to cut down a forest to write new regulations.
Sherman did nothing wrong.
Yes he did. Sherman stopped before he hung the traitorous leadership.
Yeah, never leave that job half done.
Shh, Don't let Israel hear you!
I think that's an uncharitable reading. Which is understandable, but still.
I think that there are a lot of people--myself included--that would like to be able to make a living doing something that seems to matter, or where you make something. Like, factory work sucks in most ways, but it still feels like you're doing something. Spreadsheets and order projections? Staring at a screen all day, sending polite emails to people you'll never meet about ways to spend a lot of money electronically?
This "new world" of work and socializing ain't great. I think it snuck up on a lot of people, and now a lot of people are feeling like they don't know how to navigate the new reality of depersonalization.
I agree. Nearly every lyric in that song, when isolated, sounds fine and agreeable. Even when he attacks people on welfare "if you're 5'- 3 and 300lbs, taxes ought not to pay, for your bags of fudge rounds." Isn't wrong.
Taxes shouldn't be used by fat cats to get fatter. But he isn't saying that. He is punching down and attacking a group of people who are suffering in "the new world" just like him, and a fucking bag of cookies is one of the few joys they can still aquire. He could have chosen to attack the elite, even if he only meant the ones to the North. He didn't.
"It's a damn shame, what the world's gotten to, for people like me, and people like you."
Sounds great. Now picture his audience. Who are they, and who are they thinking of when they hear that line?
This song is called "Richmen North of Richmond." It's the Northerner's fault all these bad things are happening.
It's that movie with Rowdy Piper and the glasses. You have to put them on to see the whole message. Dog whistling at its finest.
If he had made a few small changes it could have been a powerful pro-worker lament and I would be playing it to death. Instead it was #11 on Trump's "Standing on the stage for 44 minutes swaying back and forth because America is so easy to con so why not?"
It's a damn shame.
I know a lot of people that are quite overall politically liberal that feel this way. I know a lot of people that get upset at the idea of inmates being given "free" educations in prison because they still have student loans 20 years after school. People that support the ideas of helping people up, that are fully on board with LGBTQ+ rights across the board, think DEI is a good idea, think it's critical that women have bodily autonomy, and so on, but still have a knee-jerk reaction to things that they don't fully get, or haven't had explained to them.
I don't know if he meant the song that way, or what. I do know that the people coming into the White House in a few months aren't likely to make things any better for people like him. Or people like you. Or people like me.
Wish I could just wake up and it not be true.
But it is. Oh it is.
"Vamos a playa" by Righeira carries a lightweight, upbeat tune that vacationers might hum on the way to the beach. But the Spanish lyrics reveal that it's about the devastation left behind by nuclear armaments. And the schism between trying to live an ordinary life whilst having a nuclear Damocles sword waver over your head. That it became such a world wide hit makes it all the more ironic. I love it all the more for it.
99 luftballoons is similar.
The 80s was oddly dark.
"Opens up one eager eye" is an incredibly eldritch lyric.
Ay dios mio! I never knew this and always thought of it as cheesy vacation song.
Hey there Delilah
The dude who wrote it is a creep
Dang. Just looked it up. It's a song about a girl he met once and was dating someone else, but he still wrote a damn ballad and sent her a copy. Then she had to live her life surrounded by a song about a stranger's feelings for her.
And looking at the lyrics, they're sweet if said about a long-distance partner, but really weird to sing to a vague acquaintence.
It's also one of the most inescapable songs on public radio ever.
Sex Type Thing by Stone Temple Pilots. Great music, love STP, but it's basically about raping someone.
Scott Weiland was compelled to write the lyrics after an incident in which a girl he was dating was raped by three high school football players after a party. Thus, Weiland has stated the song is an anti-rape statement, not a song simply about sex, saying: "This song is really not about sex at all. It’s about control, violence and abuse of power."
Weiland found himself in the position of defending "Sex Type Thing" to individuals who took the first-person approach he used in the song ("I am a man, a man/I'll give ya something that ya won't forget/I said ya shouldn't have worn that dress") literally. "It was, 'All right, the "Cop Killer" controversy's dead, let's try to find something else,' " says Weiland, who has been outspoken in the press about women's rights and contends that he wrote the song in the mind-set of what he has called "the typical American macho jerk" because he didn't want to sound peachy. "I never thought that people would ever seriously think that I was an advocate of date rape."
I got that back when it came out and always wondered why folks treated it like alternative pop. It's seems like a dark mirror on rape to me.
That is what it was.
It was criticizing something from the first person perspective like Nirvana'a Polly, or The Police's Every Breath You Take.
Jump by Van Halen when found out that it's about hanging yourself.
Well, I still like it but it's with a double feeling.
From genius.com : "The original inspiration for the lyrics came from David Lee Roth watching a person on TV who was threatening to commit suicide by jumping off of a building and Roth figured someone in the crowd must be thinking, “Go ahead and jump”. It was, however, not written about suicide – the song is about ‘jumping’ on the opportunity to hook up with someone."
Though I can see where you got that.
The lyric "I jump up and nothing gets me down" jumping off a stool/chair but because of the noose he doesn't get down.
But I can see your point.
Doesn't it say "I get up and nothing gets me down"? I always thought that sentence described being motivated and not letting anyone ruin your good mood.
We played this song in high school marching band lol
I thought it was about starting a fight, like jumping someone.
TIL
Brown Sugar by the Rolling Stones. It's a song about banging a slave, but I didn't know that as a kid.
Similarly, watching the music video for Africa by Toto changes the entire vibe of the song. It’s about wanting to bang a black woman. Bless those rains, I guess.
Based on the lyrics I always thought it was about werewolves.
Wait until you find out about "Stray Cat Blues."
The period between hearing and knowing what the song was about was nearly instantaneous but "Smack my bitch up" has an incredibly catchy tune.
It'd be really nice if they released an instrumental version one day.
For what it's worth, that line is a sample from an Ultramagnetic MCs song.
Honestly, that's worth a fair bit to me.
Yeah, I feel like what that insight "means" is in the eye of the beholder. It's definitely not great in the context of the original song either, but it's a bit less in-your-face.
You might also be interested in Prodigy's Dirtchamber Sessions which features the song https://youtu.be/7a1rkOsYn2A?t=230
When I first heard it my brain convinced me that the lyrics were "Snap my Picture" for some reason.
Then I saw the video.
Honestly, that sounds like it'd make a pretty good Weird Al parody.
Not sure, if I stopped listening to mainstream music around that time, but uh, both of my examples are from 2011, apparently:
I think pumped up kicks is actually a really poignant statement on how normalized gun violence is in the states, to the point where this song was all over radios and I'm sure all over high school dances and nobody thought twice about it. Like obviously the band did it intentionally but the fact that the point was missed so hard by everyone who sang along. It is like Hey Ya vibes to me, or smells like teen spirit for the older crowds. The point is to take these very serious ideas and use them to highlight people's willful ignorance.
most of Rammstein, but specifically Mutter
For me it was Mein Teil. I'm used to most of Rammstein's dark stuff, but man, this one is deeply disturbing.
Lyrics for those who are curious and not squeamish
https://genius.com/Genius-english-translations-rammstein-mein-teil-english-translation-lyrics
In case people were unaware, this references a real event where a man posted an ad for a man willing to be killed and eaten.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes
Here's another song that explicitly references it. Better song too, IMO.
I just listen to the Left Podcast on the Left episode about him.
at least it was consensual, not like Wiener Blut or Ich tue dir weh
I'm learning so much from these comments...
Closing time by Semisonic I thought it was about going home with someone after a night out at the bar. It’s about the lead singers child being born.
Seriously? Well he could have made that more clear.
Sort of, Dan Wilson said he had the idea while writing the song because his wife was pregnant so he slipped it in as a double entendre. It's like 90% bar closing with a couple lines alluding to being born: "Closing time, this room won't be open till your brothers or your sisters come".
Did he sing about his wife’s womb as a pub that’s closing and expelling the drunkards?
Constipated by Weird Al. That changed me.
In the other direction from most of them here, “Losing my Religion” hit a lot harder before I realized it was just about anger.
Wait till you read and watch Take me to church
In the Summertime by Mungo Jerry. It's such a nice catchy tune that I enjoyed until my partner pointed out:
Which, ew.
Sting. Every step you take. It's actually angry and malicious. There's an interview with Sting saying something to that effect.
Do you maybe mean "Every Breath You Take" by The Police? That's a common answer to this kind of question. A lot of people think of it as cute and romantic at first, but the song really talk about the Big Brother (from George Orwell's 1984): a state of constant surveillance watching "every breath you take, every move you make".
I have no idea how anyone who's even vaguely tuned into that song thinks it's romantic.
Heck, there a folks out there that still insist that "The Boys of Summer" is about baseball.
I understand the full lyrics, but most songs generally default to romanticism. If you're not paying attention it's easy to misinterpret.
If you're not paying attention, you hear the "I'm watching you" part, which is creepy as fuck.
Yes that's the one I'm talking about. I could have sworn I heard an interview about him talking about how it's about someone stalking a former lover. Memory is weird that way. You're interpretation is probably the one I'm going to go with from now on though I like that more.
I could see it being a bit of both. Lyrics are often inspired by something and describing something else. In this case, someone stalking a former lover could be seen as "going full 1984's Big Brother" on them... and it makes sense with the whole romantic mood that the song has: the stalker sees themself as romantic and sings it that way, but when you look closer you realise it's actually very creepy.
I think it's really interesting how people interpret music completely different than other forms of art. People sometimes assume the worst instead of realizing that the singer is speaking from another perspective. So for example if a writer has a first person perspective of a killer/rapist you wouldn't make an association that the author is anything of the sort. But if they wrote a song and sang it then people would question if they really felt that way. Polly is a great example. By many accounts (Kathleen Hanna , Kim Gordon) Cobain championed feminism and woman's rights but the lyrics of Polly are brutal and from the perpetrator view. Randy Newman's - Rednecks is a tough one to listen to. You can understand how it is trying to point out ignorance and racism like Blazing Saddles but it's sung in first person and should never be played in a public setting. Oingo Bongo's - Little Girs was always a bit creepy now seems to age poorly the more time has gone on. Minor Threat - Guilty of being white is a tough listen because you know racist people think this is a rallying cry instead of the emotionly reaction from a a teenage kid who was bullied in highschool for being white.
That does happen all the time in movies, shows, books, and other forms of art. "What kind of a person would come up with that" isn't an uncommon accusation.
Sure but I think it is less immediate. In music we have to make a decision if they are speaking about themselves nonfiction or fiction and in a book or movie we assume they are creating fictional character.
Vladimir Nabokov got criticized and accused over writing Lolita all the time.
If you know anything about the history of punk music and east coast hardcore, Ian MacKaye was clearly one of the most principled people in the scene, and a genuinely good and decent person. So it's really weird to hear that people ever got the weird idea that he was pro-racism or something.
Then again, The Dead Kennedys had to make "Nazi Punks Fuck Off" because they were sick of their shows being infiltrated by the wrong kind of skinheads.
Oh I know. But minor threat and black flag used to have these neoNazis show up at their shows. I think he acknowledged that once he realized they wanted to use his frustration for oppression they stopped playing it. I think it was in, "this band could be your life". Much like X hating the fans who cheered on "Johnny hit and run Pauline" from "decline of the western civilization". It's crazy how people twist things.
This song is cute and happy but the lyrics are absolutely devastating and make me cry. https://open.spotify.com/track/2E3hdMguyNDQswLXyUotYR
https://genius.com/Bloc-party-signs-lyrics
[Verse 1]
Two ravens in the old oak tree
And one for you and one for me
And bluebells in the late December
I see signs now all the time
The last time we slept together
There was something that was not there
You never wanted to alarm me
But I'm the one that's drowning now
[Verse 2]
I can sleep forever these days
Cause in my dreams I see you again
But this time-fleshed out fuller face
In your confirmation dress
It was so like you to visit me
To let me know you were okay
It was so like you to visit me
You're always worried about someone else
[Bridge]
At your funeral I was so upset
So, so upset
In your life you were larger than this
Statue statuesque
[Chorus] (x2)
I see signs now all the time
That you're not dead, you're sleeping
I believe in anything
That brings you back home to me
I hate this song. Literally sobbing at the fear of the state my mental health would be in if my wife suddenly passed.
Harper Road from Sun Kil Moon is similar, super beautiful song but tragic fucking lyrics
My blood runs through my lonely daughter
Her eyes are mine, so wild with wonder
Be my voice, my light, my power
Be with me in my leaving hour
Baby, It's Cold Outside. It's such a fun song as the guy and girl go back and forth. Until you realize that he's guilting her into sleeping with him. Eww!
No, it is about both people coming up with excuses for her to stay when social expectations mean staying scandalous and everyone else would gossip.
The original film the song appears (Neptune's Daughter) in actually sings the song twice. The first one is very clearly "I want to leave" vs "but you can't." He literally takes the hat off of her head, and she seems very irritated throughout.
The second is a woman trying to stop a man from leaving, to the degree that he ends up putting her clothes on by mistake in an attempt to leave faster. And, as assault of men often is, it's portrayed for laughs.
The entire song is someone refusing to take "no" for an answer. At no point does the typically female role ever make an excuse to STAY, only to LEAVE.
Edit: No idea why "the song where a man stops a woman from leaving is a bit rapey" is a controversial opinion.
I think you are mistaking the desire to leave as a personal desire and not an obligation due to social pressure.
The socond set of back and forth is all about other people's expectations and then hesitsting.
Watch the damn scene. She is trying to brush him off. She wants to leave, and he is not letting her. She is politely saying no, and he is politely forcing her to stay. Even if it is due to social pressure, let her fucking leave.
"Well maybe just a half a drink more" is said when he has just snatched the coat off her back and is still holding it. Her face is a picture of resignation, not coy flirtation. She then asks "say, what's in this drink" and puts it down with a scowl on her face.
This is flirtatious by the standards of a Sean Connery movie.
But you say they are coming up with excuses for her. There are no excuses provided there.
The song predates that by five years.
I didn't know that. Looked it up. It was only publicly released around the film, and only sung at parties before that. Also, he sold the song without his wife's consent and it almost ended their marriage.
Ughhh, no no no no no. It's them debating on what excuse she will use so the community doesn't slut shame her!
Nope. In the original scene in Neptune's Daughter, she is actively trying to leave and he is doing everything he can to stop her. Note that she never makes an excuse to stay, only to leave.
The song predates that by five years. https://www.goretro.com/2016/12/why-baby-its-cold-outside-is-not-about.html?m=1
I didn't know that. So I looked it up, and it seems the intent of the song is to tell their guests to leave. Also, he sold the song without his wife's consent, and it almost ended their marriage.
The song predates that by five years. https://www.goretro.com/2016/12/why-baby-its-cold-outside-is-not-about.html?m=1
Frank Loesser's son, John, was interviewed about the song by the Palm Bean Post in 2010 that was reprinted on the official site for his dad. From the article:
“My father wrote that song as a piece of special material for he and my mother to do at parties,” says John Loesser, who runs the Lyric Theatre in Stuart, and is the son of legendary composer Frank Loesser (Guys and Dolls, How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying.)
Frank Loesser’s wife, Lynn, was a nightclub singer who had moved from Terre Haute, Ind. to New York in search of a career. She was singing in a nightclub when she met Frank Loesser around 1930.
The song itself was written in 1944, when Loesser and his wife had just moved into the Hotel Navarro in New York. They gave a housewarming party for themselves and when they did the number, everybody went crazy.
“We had to do it over and over again,” Lynn Loesser told her kids, “and we became instant parlor room stars.”
Performers started to take note of the song, and record covers of it. It's also featured in the 1949 musical comedy Neptune's Daughter as sung by Ricardo Montalbán and Esther Williams below. And in that movie, it takes an ironic tone since the movie takes place in a warm climate. It also earned Loesser an Academy Award for Best Original Song.
There is a version out there where they try to tone down the rapey elements. Sadly, it's pretty clunky how they do it.
Actually there weren't any "rapey" elements at the time. They're only there when viewed through a modern lense, completely ignoring the culture and standards of the time.
And the version where they tried to tone down the rapey elements was in 2019, shortly after the #MeToo movement. We are also having this conversation today, and not in 1949.
If you're saying the standards of the time make it acceptable, I say that reflects really badly on the standards of the time. By the standards of the time, black people had fewer rights than white men. I hope to fuck we can improve upon the standards of the 1940s.
When people consume media it's important to have context. Short-sighted inability to contextualize anything outside of our current standards doesn't help anyone at all and actually makes understanding and moving forward more difficult.
The standards were quite different that's for sure. That's why it's important to understand that it was a different era. An unmarried woman willingly staying with a man was destroying her reputation at that time even if she wanted to.
I understand that the film was not problematic for the time period, and it was seen as romantic. I also understand that the fact it was not seen as a problem was a fucking problem. And I understand that the only way to overcome a problem is to acknowledge that there is one. Hindsight is a fucking benefit, and with the benefit of hindsight, that song is pretty fucking rapey.
Once again, the song was played TWICE in the movie, and the second one was sung with a man being convinced to stay. It was not about reputation. It was about not wanting to be there.
Why are you so insistent that the woman saying no actually wanted it?
Because in the context of the song, she's saying she wants to stay. I've never seen the movie you're talking about so maybe it was played differently there but when the song was released it was obviously a duet between two people who wanted to "do stuff" but were unable to due to norms and societies judgement.
Why are you so insistent on portraying the woman as a victim and the man as rapist when that's clearly not what was intended?
...No she fucking isn't. She never says she wants to stay.
She says no. He ignores her. I don't give a fuck what was intended, I only care about what was said. What was said was a violation of consent. If you want the intent to reflect in the song to a modern ear (which are the only ears we have) then change the lyrics.
Yeah I'm familiar with the reddit argument I just think it's half the story. It was written by a husband and wife but you clearly have an axe to grind so go off king.
Have a nice night.
I'm not familiar with the reddit argument, but nice attempt to dodge what I said.
You are ignoring what you don't want to hear.
Frank Loesser's son, John, was interviewed about the song by the Palm Bean Post in 2010 that was reprinted on the official site for his dad. From the article:
“My father wrote that song as a piece of special material for he and my mother to do at parties,” says John Loesser, who runs the Lyric Theatre in Stuart, and is the son of legendary composer Frank Loesser (Guys and Dolls, How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying.)
Frank Loesser’s wife, Lynn, was a nightclub singer who had moved from Terre Haute, Ind. to New York in search of a career. She was singing in a nightclub when she met Frank Loesser around 1930.
The song itself was written in 1944, when Loesser and his wife had just moved into the Hotel Navarro in New York. They gave a housewarming party for themselves and when they did the number, everybody went crazy.
“We had to do it over and over again,” Lynn Loesser told her kids, “and we became instant parlor room stars.”
Performers started to take note of the song, and record covers of it. It's also featured in the 1949 musical comedy Neptune's Daughter as sung by Ricardo Montalbán and Esther Williams below. And in that movie, it takes an ironic tone since the movie takes place in a warm climate. It also earned Loesser an Academy Award for Best Original Song.
You provided historical context while not actually addressing the contents of the song. There's really nothing to respond to. Plus, I can't have been ignoring anything since I was asleep. There is no point in spamming this.
The song predates that by five years. https://www.goretro.com/2016/12/why-baby-its-cold-outside-is-not-about.html?m=1
Frank Loesser's son, John, was interviewed about the song by the Palm Bean Post in 2010 that was reprinted on the official site for his dad. From the article:
“My father wrote that song as a piece of special material for he and my mother to do at parties,” says John Loesser, who runs the Lyric Theatre in Stuart, and is the son of legendary composer Frank Loesser (Guys and Dolls, How To Succeed In Business Without Really Trying.)
Frank Loesser’s wife, Lynn, was a nightclub singer who had moved from Terre Haute, Ind. to New York in search of a career. She was singing in a nightclub when she met Frank Loesser around 1930.
The song itself was written in 1944, when Loesser and his wife had just moved into the Hotel Navarro in New York. They gave a housewarming party for themselves and when they did the number, everybody went crazy.
“We had to do it over and over again,” Lynn Loesser told her kids, “and we became instant parlor room stars.”
Performers started to take note of the song, and record covers of it. It's also featured in the 1949 musical comedy Neptune's Daughter as sung by Ricardo Montalbán and Esther Williams below. And in that movie, it takes an ironic tone since the movie takes place in a warm climate. It also earned Loesser an Academy Award for Best Original Song.
Stinkfist - Tool
You think from the title it would be obvious. Never thought why it was named like that until after I realized what the song was about.
It's about anal fisting, yes, but only as a metaphor for the desensitization caused by modern life. It's got layers
Not saying I don't like the song. Great song
Just the song hits slightly different after you realize what "Relax, turn around and take my hand" can mean.
Like an ogre
Finger deep inside. This may hurt a little, but it's something you get used to. Relax....turn around and take my hand ....
A cute girl I knew a few years ago got the Orion Experience (group) on my radar and I learned recently that while yes the songs are clearly about a sexual deviant (which is what made them cool bruh), it's about that kind of sexual deviant, because Orion very much likes kids apparently
That fucking ruins everything and they're bops that I can't get out of my head sometimes, so that's nice
Don't look into the story behind "My Sharona" by The Knack.
Hard Habit To Break by Chicago is pretty straightforward, but I liked it on the radio as a kid because it's peppy and has an orchestra.
Decades later I get access to music service libraries and give it a listen.
I was a jerk and you left me, and now you're with another guy. I'm not sorry. I'm not going to do better. But I have an orchestra!
I still like it, but have perspective now.
In my late teens one of my friend gave me thumb stick with some poorly tagged mp3 mess. It was mostly black metal which I kind of liked (still do, some of it, sometimes when the mood is right). Years later I found out it was compilation of some NSBM bullshit. Not that it mattered in lyrics, as it was allindistinguishable, impossible to hear in true black metal "recorded band jam on a tape in one go from room next door" style, but still... People producing that pretty good music were probably the most degenerate retards in their countries (from USA, through France to Russia).
NSBM?
National Socialist (Nazi) black metal
Oh. Yikes!
Already explained by others, so basically they were/are nazi scum.
Tears in heaven from Eric Clapton. I always liked this song, and didn't have a special connotation. But after learning its backstory, now I just feel sadness when I hear it. :-(
I don't know what the vast majority of songs I listen to are about. I have some genetic defect that makes it near impossible to hear lyrics. It all sounds like melody to me.
Do you know the name of the defect? Sounds interesting, I'd like to read up on it.
I doubt it's a real thing that has a name. I tried asking chatGPT about it and it said it's called melodic masking / auditory masking but I didn't really find any information that matches my experience.
It's not that I don't hear the vocals, I just struggle to register it as language. It just sounds more like yet another instrument.
Well, as I said, I never paid attention to the lyrics before I looked them up. 🤷♂️
Such an upbeat 90s pop song with lyrics like "doing crystal meth will lift you up until you break."
Pretty much everything that's EDM. Lots of Deadmau5 songs sound like they're meaningful when you only catch a few words here and there, then you read the lyrics and find out they're all about sex. Pomegranate is a good example. I still like them, but I don't think they're meaningful now.
"Freshmen" by the Verve Pipe
When I loved this song as a teenager I did understand that it was about the girlfriend’s suicide, but I missed the abortion piece. I assumed the “baby’s breath” referenced wedding flowers and “shoe full of rice” was like the rice you throw on newlyweds.
Turns out the only true part of the story is the abortion, which is a rough topic but not inherently tragic. TBH these days a song about abortion could be considered wishful thinking. (Or even celebratory? Cue the Sextina Aquafina abortion song from Bojack.) The suicide is poetic license, but does make for a beautiful narrative of guilt and naïveté.
Contemporary to that one is "Brick" by Ben Folds Five...
I stopped explaining to people why they were selling their gifts, and where he was dropping her off...After a while, I felt as though I was just ruining something that made people happy.
Same with "Pumped Up Kicks" - although that one, I thought, was pretty self explanatory. I guess people just jam to the beat, and don't pay attention to the lyrics
Someone should make a spotify Playlist of all of these songs
I’m surprised at the number of people who don’t know Weezer’s “Hashpipe” is about male prostitution.
I don't like Mondays from the Boomtown Rats.
Mind, when I first heard it my English was not that good so I really only got the Chorus about not liking Mondays (and who does, eh?). Dismissed the "shoot the whole day down" as an idiom for something which I did not know.
Then at some point much later I realized it's actually a school shooting.
the two Who rock operas are chock full of stuff that went over my head because i heard them when i was younger than i probably should have been. in this case the songs are written from character POVs so i wouldn't say they make me think less of the band because of the content, but jeez, 10 year old me never would've figured Love Reign O'er Me for example was about a suicide attempt as opposed to, you know, feeling loved
Running to the Sea - Royksopp. Now that I know it's about some sort of terrorist attack, I just feel weird listening to it now
I liked Poor Leno though
I remember listening to Frank Zappa’s Bobby Brown when I was a kid, not knowing English at all. Great song but very inappropriate for kids, which my parents probably thought was funny.
Uncle Kracker - Follow me. I used to sing the shit out of it, because I just liked the tune. Until I learn there was a whole different meaning than just "I'm the better guy" lyrics.
I still humm it, but it hits differently.
5 minutes alone by pantera, I mean come on...
Despacito. Kinda weird lyrics.
Nuttin No Go So
The original "football moves" clip went viral a long time ago, and the song goes along well with it. Took me a while to understand just how awfully reactionary the lyrics are.
Not so much found out about but songs that didn't used to bother me now kind of bother me. I was a very big Stone Temple Pilots fan, Even though the rhythms slap the songs are a little too rapey these days for my taste.
Canon in D (piano version) sounds like a cool relaxing music. But I learned people use it for weddings. Ruined it. I don't want any of my music to be tied to something stupid like weddings.
Ok, I'll bite.
Why are weddings stupid?
hey, isn't that the guy that was left at the alter when his fiancé ran off with his dad?
Oof. That sounds rough.
yeah, poor guy lost his father and sister in the same day.
??? Lol must be thinking of someone else. I havn't been using lemmy for a year