I would personally just treat whatever direction I'm facing at the time as North and go from there.

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North is W
West is A
South is S
East is D

... unless you hit Q or E and rotated the camera, in which case you're fucked.

OK but no you know where the sun rises and sets if youre in a familiar place atleast

Do I look like the person who would get lost in a familiar place?

Actually, don't answer that.

It hurts me that people don't realise you know where the sun rises and sets (roughly), anywhere, by looking up and roughly knowing what time it is. Other than midday, then fair enough.

If it's before noon: Go away from the sun.

If it's after noon: Go toward the sun.

If it's night... Wait for morning, and go away from the sun.

*Advice not applicable if you are north or south of a given latitude.

stuck somewhere where the sun doesn't set for like a month

Do... Do I wait?

Haha, yes there's that extreme. However that effect is a gradient. You start to notice it north of the 60th parallel (Canada where the bulk of the population lives) but it's only slight. In winter the sun is just slightly south of the middle of the sky.

Here in Campbell River BC we are at the 50th parallel, and on Saturday at Noon (we are out of DST now so we are talking true noon) the sun was to the direct south, 45 degrees to the horizon. It rises and sets... but to the SE, S and SW.

My initial thought when reading your comment was a response about differentiation of both hemispheres, but the way you wrote it was actually quite clever, so kudos for that! :D

If it's night and you can see both the Southern Cross and the Pointers it's pretty trivial to determine south; if you're in the northern hemisphere you get it even easier with Polaris to mark north.

East is sunrise. West is sunset. The sun will also always be slightly south and even more so in the winter (unless you're in the southern hemisphere then it's slightly north).

If your local area has some kind of landmark like a big tower, or a big lake, learn where that is relative to you and use it as a reference point. For me, I live near a big lake and it's always south of me. It might be easier for you to ask yourself "which way is the lake?" instead of "which way is south?" or whatever your landmark and direction happen to be.

This is the best part about growing up in Colorado. The mountains are west. It's like having a cheat mode compass enabled all the time.

Or... the sun is south at noon. Where is the sun at noon? That's south.

You should probably mention which regions this advice is limited to, to avoid confusing people from outside those regions who see your advice and misapply it.

Same but reversed in the SLC area, mountains mean East. Having lived on both sides, West is definitely better

I mean their profile pic is them outdoors on a paddle board, so first impressions is yea maybe you do know cardinal directions? Anyone who spends extended time outdoors should.

If I learned anything in geography class than that west is on the left

What? You don't have an internal compass that keeps you oriented? For some reason I seem to be a lucky person that just knows which compass direction I'm going no matter where I am. And it's a very weird and frightening feeling if I do get disoriented. I had some pain meds after a surgery that did that to me. Flushed them damn things down the toilet after the first 2 I took.

That sounds really nice. I’m sure I could develop the skill, but I have to check the Sun

While I'm sure there is learned effort, I do feel like there is something inside my brain that just has a connection to north somehow. Kind of like how ducks and geese know which way to travel when migrating. I can't really explain it well.

I'm with you. Short of that one day dead noon Hawaii or the middle of a forest I feel like there are clues to approximate North and South even when I'm discombobulated.

And it’s a very weird and frightening feeling if I do get disoriented.

I know what you mean, there has been a couple of times in my life where my internal idea of direction has been turned off course and it is a very weird feeling indeed trying to reconcile the direction you internally believe you're facing against the different direction a map or compass is telling you is actually true.

As a kid I also once spent a weekend in Melbourne feeling somewhat disconcerted due to not being able to get a sense of direction. I'd never been there before and flew in on an overcast day which never ended up letting up until I flew out so never ended up getting my bearings while we were down there (didn't help that this was before the smartphone era so maps weren't available at the drop of a hat).

I have a similar experience when I go a city in my state - St. Paul. If I go downtown for any reason, I always feel a bit uneasy walking about and I didn't know why for the longest time. I finally found out that the streets in the downtown aren't laid out on the cardinal points-- They were laid out on a slight bias due to being right up against the Mississippi river. And that makes me a little uncomfortable when looking down a block of buildings or from one street to the next at an intersection. It's always a little bit wonky feeling.

how do people not orient themselves?

Everytime I grt lost I just return home to get my compass and get on with my day

Legitimately, how do you? Without prior knowledge of the direction you are facing and the sun is right above you or you can't see it.

Cardinal directions have always been hard for me and I'm only now just starting to use them out of job necessity.

Left and right takes a second most of the time, ask me to look north and it's going to be a long while.

If I'm somewhere new or lost like op, it's just cruel to say "go west"

Not trying to be facetious, but you just kind of do it. I think it might be something that you just subconsciously keep track of once you really become aware of it. I remember it seeming like magic until I was maybe 15 or so, and then I had landmarks for each direction in my mental map and could figure things out in reference to them. After a bit of that, I could mostly stay oriented when traveling by land, and now it's not an issue even when I fly somewhere. I went to England for the first time last year, and I had the cardinal directions sorted probably by the time I'd walked from the train to my hotel.

Once you've got it down, you just sort of do it on autopilot.

I think it helps that I've been a pilot since I was a teenager. Spend some time where you can see a third of a state at a time you'll just develop this sense. You get a bigger picture of how things are oriented relative to each other that's sort of like, wherever you are in your home, you can probably work out which way the road outside goes, likely parallel to one of your walls. I can do that over much greater distances. If you've ever stood in the middle of a parking lot in a strip mall, and gone "the highway is over there, the Belk is over there, the J.C. Penney is that way, the furniture store is down on that end and I know the Red Lobster is just on the other side of it though I can't see it from here," I can do that with the major cities in my state.

Orienting yourself if you've gotten turned around is another habit to build up. Yes "the afternoon sun is in the West" but also if you're in the Northern hemisphere, your shadow will point North at noon. I also have a pretty good picture of the highway system in my head and can orient myself by knowing the general heading of a nearby highway.

From both my time as a pilot and as an amateur radio operator I'm familiar with the various towers across the state. I've used those to work out my approximate location and heading both in the air and on the ground. In medium sized cities often there's a city center with a few tall buildings that can be seen for several miles around, orienting yourself to them can help you develop a sense of direction. I've started doing that almost subconsciously.

Now if I were to wake up in a cave my gyros would be tumbled until I managed to get out. I don't have an actual built-in compass. But it wouldn't take me long to orient myself seeing how the daylight hit the cave entrance.

You track you direction throughout the day. My road runs east/west. If i leave my house and turn left, I'm going west, turn right im going east, I keep this in mind as often as I can.

I also know my general area pretty well and what direction each town/city is in relative to my home, which helps me find my direction if i lost it. I also like to remember which direction each major intersection goes as that helps me keep track as well.

The birth of the GPS. Basic navigation is a dying skill, a lot of people don’t even know what to do with a map without a big blue dot showing where you are

If you are confused, check with the sun. Carry a compass to help you along. Your feet are going to be on the ground. Your head is there to move you around.

Stand in the place where you live. Now face north.

Think about direction, wonder where you are because you remember dumb song lyrics and not navigation skills.

Listen to reason, reason is calling on the same handy device every man and his dog has which will provide a north oriented aerial view of the area in question and even a compass display if the map isn't enough to orient yourself.

What have the pop band from the 80s got to do with the direction? Is there some code in their lyrics that will point her the right way?

Where does your manifest destiny pull you? There you go

It pulls me into the fetal position for a good cry

I only started remembering which side west is (relative to north) when I started thinking of "the wild west" and then thinking of where the wild west was. Still can't use it in the real world for anything though. At most if I'm at my own town I know approximately where north is, but anywhere else I'll quickly lose the sense of which direction is which.

You're not supposed to intrinsically have your sense of direction in an unfamiliar location. Some people can do that but assuming you're not paying full attention on your way to a new location it's actually normal and expected to have to get your bearings which means taking a moment to orient yourself and figure out what direction is what. And then it's easy to forget (let's say you step into a store) until you build a sense of landmarks. Also the more dense a location the harder it is because it's more complex.

Looking North, West and East spell "we".

Sorted.

Never Enter Stinky Washrooms

But you have to memorize if that's CW or CCW. I'd forget.

Im think it was designed with a clock in mind. That’s why it starts with north at the 12:00 position and goes clockwise. I learned it as ‘Never Eat Soggy Waffles’ but I’m sure there are a bunch of these.

It's the saying i learned as a kid. I'd picture a compass and repeat the words.

One time I called 911 because I was following a drunk driver that had collided with multiple vehicles and kept driving. The operator asked me what direction so I looked at my maps app and it said I was going west so I told them west and they said “Sir that street doesn’t run west.” I was speechless after that.

So you might've been going west, but not westbound. Roads curve often in the USA (i'm guessing you are from the USA because 911)

When you're lost, walk downhill, or downstream, until you reach the sea, or a McDonalds.

If you reach an Arby's, you've gone the wrong way, crawl back into the wilderness, it's safer there.

West is sunset....

'Relatively'

If you don't specify the point of reference, I will use the world's west as it's conceived. if not, say "your left" or something.

I think they mean it's not straight West. Depends on the season and the longitude as well.

Close enough west it's ok if they tell it in such a causal manner, I suppose?

At one point in my childhood, my dad made the comment, “Women don’t know compass directions.” I took offense to that and made a point to learn them to prove him wrong.

I felt vindicated in high school when he was coming to pick me up from a friend’s house and said, “I’m at the gas station. Do I go left or right?” I told him there were several gas stations on the way, and asked which direction he was facing to figure out which one he was by. He couldn’t tell me and finally hung up on me in a huff.

It's easy. When you imagine south as a north being on the top then west is on the east side from it.

Or just ask them which is west and they can point you towards it? Your not a compass needle lol, what is that assumption.

Worst case scenario, download a compass app for your phone, but watch out for scams that will require heavy network traffic

iPhone/appleWatch may have one already, but I don’t know about android

I feel like while your phone has battery, there are easier ways to navigate than a compass.

No data, no map.

GPS can give your coordinates, but that’s pointless unless you walk a bit and translate the direction.

Compass uses most of its power for the screen.

Do you have a minute to talk about Openstreetmap? You can download the map before you head out, then navigate without data connection.

This requires foresight. Most people don't plan on getting lost.

I just use the app for navigation so I always download the map for the area I travel to before I go.

I used to do the same when i was too poor to afford data on my phone or when i go through areas with poor service.

google also allows offline caching, but also needs to be set up ahead of time. AFAIK once you set a region to download, it will update that cache regularly.

I would expect this is a feature that most map apps would offer

Following the gps map- is great when you’re trying to get somewhere, but if the goal is walking, I usually want to leave the tech in my pocket. Compass is a nice compromise to help navigate while still taking a break from behind slave to the machine

Quick shoutout for Trail Sense for Android. Designed to function offline, lots of cool navigation/basic tools I haven't used outside of the GPS and compass, reasonable permissions, etc. One of those "You don't know how useful it is until you don't have connectivity" things.

Excellent! I tried a couple trail apps for iPhone without any luck - they didn’t have local trails or cost too much for how occasionally I’d use it. Lately I have been doing short local hikes on well marked trails, so it’s not really a need

All roads lead to East New Westersouth.

I have problems telling right from left. At least I'm the moment, if I take my time I can tell.

But I almost always know my cardinal directions

If you extend your thumb and first finger, the L shape that is the correct way around is on your left hand.

Yeah I know when I have time to think about it.

It's just when people say: 'go left here' or me throng to indicate direction in a split second that my change of getting it right reduced to 50%. My brain doesn't grok that left right isn't absolute but related to orientation.

Just remember that port is a 4 letter word and so is left. So left is port and right is starboard.

What helped me as a kid is imagine to write. That's my left hand and than I know which is which without thinking too consciously (in case you're right handed, it's the other way around obviously).

But interesting that you know absolute directions easily. That's a cultural thing actually. I think Australian Aborigines will say things like "my western foot hurts" because it's more intuitive for them that way.

If I think for it for s second I know, I'll think about my dominant hand too (although my dominant feet is on the opposite side so I don't have a clear dominant side).

Yeah the aboriginal method seems way more intuitive to me, yet it probably won't replace the left right system anytime soon :p

Do you “write” with your “right” hand? That’s how I remember.

Like I said repeatedly. If I get to think about it I know what side is what. It's only in the moment when I falter

I only mention it as for the last forty years or so every time that someone has said left or right I’ve twitched my hands to work out which one I hold a pen(cil) with. Takes less than half a second and I don’t need to look at them either. It’s not unique not immediately knowing which is which. Live with it.

The Sun rises in the East and sets in the west.

With East on your right and west on your left you would be facing north.

You can tell which side of the equator you are on by the way water swirls. Northern Hemisphere water drains clockwise. If water draining has no spin then you're on the equator.

Sometimes the moss on trees is enough of an indicator, as moss growing on only one side of a tree means no sunlight reaches it and the moss faces the direction opposite of the equator.

Join us next time for a lesson on Star Charts.

The water thing is a myth. Any body of water you can actively watch drain is influenced by the shape of the reservoir and direction the water is added to it.

Hmm

Looked it up and you might be right. But believing you at face value would also be the same fault that lead to to this myth's spread.

To be fair I had to look it up too. Seems the Coriolis effect COULD impact a perfectly still container of water that was opened suddenly, but other forces are going to be significantly more impactful on a small body of water.

What about the videos recorded in Ecuador, where the same reservoir is drained on both sides of the equator and the water spins in different directions?

Edited to add the link since other users asked for it down in the replies: https://youtu.be/4IIVfoDuVIw

Edit2: check the replies below, the video is good at debunking this. But it's not super easy to notice

Idk why you're being downvoted for this comment but it's actually a really cool sleight of hand trick where the guy pouring the water gives it a small swirl in the direction they want the water to drain.

A lot of people may not like him but Mark Rober did a video about it: https://youtu.be/M7-h3FO-KKo?t=729&si=DoYwXCutiNvF_WcZ

The downvotes are just typical Reddit/Lemmy superiority complex, whenever some science stuff that "most people don't know" shows up, anyone saying anything different gets downvoted a ton.

Source/opinion/joke, doesn't matter, just going against the hivemind.