Porn is harder to access

wokehobbit@lemmy.world to No Stupid Questions@lemmy.world – 183 points –

Why the hell is every app and program out there just being prude bitches and making porn harder to access?

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Bro if you're having a hard time finding porn on the Internet, the problem is you!

Advertisers don't like it, and won't advertise where there's porn. Advertisers pay for most of these websites' existence. They capitulate to the demands.

Every porn site I've ever been too is loaded with ads so they can't be too bad. I will admit almost every ad is for other porn sites/scams

Don’t forget about payment processors like visa that can enforce restrictions on NSFW content

-> pornhub.com

-> xvideos.com

An adjacent question that you brought to mind, why are people so intent on using “apps” for everything. It feels as if browsers have been all but forgotten despite filling the same role, but often better.

On the one hand you're right, but on the other I feel like a lot of stuff has become browser based (like text editors, code editors, even music editors and perhaps video editors someday), all thanks to Web Assembly and how complex a lot of web apps have become.

It feels like people use everyday stuff through apps, and more complex stuff through browsers nowadays. Roles may slowly invert at some point if it keeps going this way.

Everything that should be an app has become a web page and everything that should be a web page has become an app

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Browsers are very capable and can do a lot of things really well, but you can also use ad blockers, and they have some privacy protection. Apps dont

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Because a lot of websites still look and function really bad on mobile devices, and a lot of people nowadays only have mobile devices.

Pornhub works fine on a mobile browser, or so they say

I can nether confirm nor deny that. I just know a lot of places do not work.

Because it's usually a better experience.

Hard disagree. Having everything in one browser app and switching between tabs is much faster than switching apps. If it's something that does more heavy lifting like a game or file browser or something sure it makes sense to have an app but just consuming content can be done in a browser just as easily.

I can't even figure out how to open an app on my computer. I can do it on my phone, but the keyboard and screen on there is tiny.

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Advertising is the big one. Many companies simply don't want to advertise anywhere where porn is present even if it's segregated.

Payment processors is the next big one. Most processors won't service porn sites which makes it hard to collect money for sites with porn. You get stuck with worse service and higher rates.

Legal compliance is another big problem. Lots of countries have lots of different laws and operating a porn website can get you in trouble in places you weren't aware of if you aren't careful. You need to verify ages, and consent of both users and models. In some countries simply looking younger than 18/whatever age can be a problem.

Overall if a site has mixed content, it can be much less hassle and much more income to drop the porn if there's sufficient non-porn content.

I think a lot of folks are forgetting that Visa and MC are prudes and gatekeep money.

Competition is so cutthroat. If you started a new porn service today there would CSAM on your servers tomorrow.

Would it be actionable? Diubtful. Not to say it isn't happening out there but these incidents are largely competition playing dirty.

I base this on nothing. Welcome to the internet.

I claim you are completely wrong. You clearly have no idea what you are talking. Based on my feelings, so I'm right.

I am actually the world leading exper in being wrong and nuh uh

i firmly believe your statement is wrong, so THERE

Edit: i meant your statement about being: world leading expert in being wrong

I have a PhD in being correct

Edit: PhD is the highest degree I know about it's like x infinity but for education

Edit2: not Xfinity

I guess you assume it would allow user submissions to reduce costs? If it was curated or first party content only I can't see how that would happen. But I'm sure the profits are worth spreading and enabling csam.

Obviously this is not competitive, because the mainstream has decided the cheapest route is worth the consequences. Unless there's regulation I don't see it changing.

… and here I am, actively blocking porn or porn-adjacent shit on Lemmy.

Am I the only one who has seen absolutely no porn on lemmy ever? I haven’t had to block any but I would if I saw it. Where are you guys seeing this?

When you signed up, did you select "Show NSFW content?"

That might be it. I can’t remember but it would explain why I don’t see any porn.

It's just a checkbox in your account settings. Either that or lemmy.world defederated from the porn instance, but I doubt that

I only ever see it on /c/all, and it's relatively little and it's all vanilla, single naked model, still photo shit. Basically as non-pornographic porn can get while still being porn (aka: OnlyFans ads and reposted Celeb shit).

I was here slightly before the exodus, and the most hilarious post-exodus post I saw was people saying "our lemmy porn is normalizing, we're finally becoming a place open for normies", where the OP was saying that the Furries were going away. The thing is: Furries were NEVER a sizable, noticeable presence on Lemmy to begin with. This isn't Blueskies, the community isn't suspiciously a bunch fo bara fur enjoyers. And they said that around the time Burggit opened up and being talked a bunch as the place to defederate, meaning degeneracy was going UP.

So basically, People who complain about Porn on Lemmy just confuse me. Tech, Sports and Politics shit are actual garbage that ACTUALLY floods the entire dashboard.

No

Everyone complaining about porn on lemmy is lying, there's literally nothing here. they're just ultra-conservative right-wingers who hate sex

I like porn. I'm a fan. But I'm with you on that. If I want it, I know where to get it. It's not really why I'm here.

Also, it really ruins it for me that because it's all user -contributed, it feels like being recommended porn by a creepy, off-puttingly thirsty highschooler. Given the demographics in places like this, that may actually be somewhat close to reality

that's your choice, and that's entirely fine. but it's different when a platform deliberately makes it inaccessible.

It's actually the exact same thing. It's their choice.

Unless it's a government mandate I don't have a problem with platforms doing that.

I prefer platforms block porn, because a usable internet requires a basic level of organization so you can find what you want. Sometimes I’m not looking for porn

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I can understand why a person has no interest in it and I personally don't need to access it but I also don't really care if it available. I do not become offended if it is available.

In reality I am far more uncomfortable with violent content yet they seem to get far less attention then porn.

I mean, I block it as well, not because I'm a prude, but because I want to read stuff etc. without looking at naked bodies. When I want to get funky, I switch to my other account which is only subscribed to porn.

Same, Its not that i don’t like porn but i got tired of blocking every instance of furry porn; like how many do you need?

There's only one instance dedicated to furry porn

They probably meant the other definition of instance. Although I don't know how many of those there are, haven't run into any of them myself. I've seen usernames from what must be the one you're referring to, but luckily haven't run into any content from it.

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I'm constantly having to block porn shit on tumblr and all the stupid bots that come with it.

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It isn't advertising friendly, that's why. Also online children protection act or some such law.

Ads for penis enlargement though

A month or two ago I was helping my sister-in-law's late 60's father fix his GMC Canyon, and he pulled up a repair video on youtube on his phone. We left it playing as we worked, and then it went to a several minute long ad for penis pills which was awkward as fuck since I wasn't sure if it was based off his search history or just that he's an old man and targeted advertising. He also recently got a new girlfriend which muddied the water as I was pondering those two possibilities.

Why isn't it advertising friendly? Is there some reason getting someone to go to your website from a porn site or app is less helpful than getting them to go there from somewhere else?

Please put the NSFW tag on the post.

Then we can talk about the good stuff.

no, then it would be too easy for op to access

Porn is easier to access than it's ever been, unless you live in a country with heavy internet censorship

I've got a few theories:

My guess is that certain companies are concerned about repercussions related to porn related content due to an impending buyout or IPO. Personally I don't blame them.

Advertisers hate it, payment providers hate it.

Fediverse has recently been attacked by CP spammers, and instances like the one I'm on has actually shut off image sharing all together.

Moderation is a problem globally, even if this content slips through automated filtering there will always be exposure, and always people affected. And unfortunately the tolerance for CP or even copyrighted content is precisely zero due to public backlash and the news articles.

Exactly. There are a lot of sketchy porn related businesses, and porn is ripe with abuse. Also, porn sites have a moderation problem. It is difficult to verify that the videos people upload don't contain CP (it's hard to tell someone's age just by looking at them), rape, if the people actually consented to the video being uploaded etc. PH decided to just delete all non-verified uploaders, and it is understandable why.

A lot of businesses just don't want to be associated with that, or have to moderate that, or have any involvement. And this also affects their relationship with other businesses.

Are there even sites with user-uploaded content anymore? I feel like it’s only studio content (which is safer, but we miss out on real amateur videos)

A hundred percent.

And enabling NSFW isn't enough, many people would rather choose what type of NSFW to see.

An yeah, the difference between simulated rpe and rpe doesn't come across in videos I suspect.

Even without CP, they flood everything, with no respect for topics or categories. Certainly there are times when I don’t want to see porn, but more importantly there are lots of times when I want to be able to find other things

Actually a skill issue.

Seriously, don’t even leave this site, just go to the search bar and look up whatever you’re into, there’s probably a comm specifically for it. Even you sounding freaks.

Completely depends on the instance, many don't allow NSFW.

M8 search results will show comms from other instances

I don't know man, maybe it's my app? Depending on which account I'm signed into when I search it's different results. 🤷

Your app or account settings might be hiding NSFW results.

It's likely this, spent a few days wondering where all my pron went, when my phone unlocked in my pocket it had enabled SFW mode :/

My lemmy feed has so much porn that I had to turn on the filter

How do you do that? I thought I had one on, but I still see sooooo much porn that it makes scrolling uncomfortable in public. I have young kids, so I have to make sure they aren't in the room if I am scrolling cause too often it's a random obscene naked chick or dick that is really not all that tasteful of an image.... lol and no, I am not prude, but the porn on lemmy I have seen is really...subpar lol 😅

If content is still getting through even if you set the filter in your account settings correctly, you can also hide or blur nsfw content on the app you're using. Most (if not all) 3rd apps out now have a nsfw filter.

Thank you! I'm using connect, but I have noticed it lags on a lot of features. What is a good 3rd party that is the most popular right now.

I’m on IOS so I unfortunately don’t know what to recommend for Android, however my favorite app right now is Thunder, which I believe is cross platform.

Because people don't want to look at other people's unusual niche kinks and try to identify if it contains children or other non-consenting participants as a part of their employment. And then try to explain to the people about why the unusual niche is against the rules when they receive a complaint about its removal. Amongst so many other reasons.

Programs and apps on the internet are not simple things and user-generated content can be a very malicious and dangerous thing to have a copy of. The legal risk alone is not worth it, let alone the effort required to enable a slightly easier masturbatory experience for total strangers.

I see so much porn on this site lemmy alone... scroll by new and hot, and you find tons of it... it's actually kind of annoying how often I see naked chicks and dicks and more on this site compared to others that do good at censoring it from the front pages...

Huh, I never see porn, but then I sort by the 12 hour thing.

Yeah, if I sort by new, or hot, I will get plenty of boob/vag images.. not that I'm hating, I believe women should be able to post this is they want, but I also am not a huge porn consumer as woman myself.. it's just not my bag. Lol so it can be a little surpriseing to see full bodies after reading musk foiled Ukrainian plans, the Wisconsin GOP trying to impeach an elected (D) supreme court judge, and then bam! Crotch shot lmao 🤣😂

Depends on your home instance I guess. Lemmy.ml has an outright ban, so some only slips through once in a blue moon.

I think it's bad parenting. The loud, obnoxious ones who can't be bothered to keep an eye on little Schlemmy, so they sit him in front of the TV computer for hours. And when he inevitably comes across something he shouldn't, is that their fault for not paying enough attention and making sure he uses appropriate sites? Of course not.

Same shit different generation.

Some of y'all need to learn to read. This discussion is about porn on apps specifically. Not complete access availability.

As an older fellow who was probably looking at internet porn (image loaded line by line) before you were born. Y'all kids need to learn how to use the Web browser and how to type the URL to porn sites. Once you learn this you'll have all the porn in the world avaliable for free in a few seconds when you want it. And also learn how to use incognito mode

Because you're a 13 year old perv and your parents have blocked porn for you.

i support the freedom to consume porn, but i still believe its bad. sorta like alcohol

"consuming porn" sounds more perverse than it actually is somehow

Because it is. Porn does weird shit to your brain.

By that logic we should call it consuming religion instead of practicing it. Not saying too much porn doesn't change your brain, but too much religion changes it way more.

So does thinking anyone cares about your opinion on the internet, gives a person a serious case of "holier than thou" syndrome

"Having sex with people is bad" - totally not a conservative incel

strawman argument. having sex with human which you love is obviously way different than watching porn. both can be done in excess, as with anything. the difference is that porn is manufactured to make money off you, to keep you addicted, like a social media. a meaningful relationship is mutually beneficial.

people are entitled to have their own opinions on this, and by all means do what you want when its not affecting anyone else. but much like a drugs, people can become unhealthily addicted. a bit here and their isnt that bad im sure, but when your watching porn every few days, you should ask yourself what youre doing it for, and if youre still in control