I just realized /c/piracy is the most subscribed community in the lemmyverse!

db0@lemmy.dbzer0.commod to Piracy: ꜱᴀɪʟ ᴛʜᴇ ʜɪɢʜ ꜱᴇᴀꜱ@lemmy.dbzer0.com – 1621 points –
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Piracy and Star Trek communities had a lot more success migrating their communities over to lemmy compared to other communities. Not 100% success as many opposed to the migration (I remember seeing big drama on r/piracy back then, and lesser drama on r/startrek), but a good chuck of them was successfully migrating to lemmy.

Edit: wait, I didn't realized it's @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com himself that made this post. Man, I don't know how you're able keep going with encouraging redditors to migrate to lemmy with how redditors that stay on r/piracy was treating you. I say good riddance! Your hard work paid off!

Well I'm not really on reddit anymore, so that helps 😁

Bro, this community rocks, I didn't ditch Reddit completely but god all the time I head to /r/piracy are the same repeated memes all over again, here we have actual discussion.

As /r/piracy was one of my favorite subreddits, if not the favorite I always was scared Reddit would vanish it... Well not anymore, I am glad Lemmy happened so we have this awesome community, possibly forever.

BTW my lemm.ee account was created due to my prior lemmy.world blocking this community, I know they backtracked that decision, but I am so comfortable here that I didn't even bother to go back.

Lol, for me it was similar, I had a few things I didn't like about lemm.ee so I ditched my account there and went here by accident (well just by searchimg and it fulfilling all my needs and a ton more things), ended up liking this instance a ton so it became my daily driver

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Thank you so much for your work

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How were redditors treating them? Just being obnoxious and refusing to change?

My memory is hazy, but during the subreddit protest, he was somehow removed from moderator list (did the admins got involved?), and the sub reopened shortly after. From then on, any thread about migration to Lemmy is full of people roasting each other. It was awful. No idea why those who remains were so vehemently opposed to migration of a piracy community. It's not like you can openly discuss piracy stuff on Reddit without risking removal by the admins.

Yes, the admins removed me without warning then re-arranged the mod team

Classic Reddit.

Thank you for everything here, this is a fantastic instance.

To what level is this community still affiliated with the subreddit?

Same mods. I don't particularly hang out in reddit anymore, but @sunbrothersco@lemmy.dbzer0.com is still doing unpaid volunteering for spez :P

is still doing unpaid volunteering for spez :P

Spez is going to pay back, don't you know about Reddit karma turning into real gold? /s

Not to sound too tinfoil-hatty, but I wouldn’t be surprised if some of that was sock puppet accounts. When you don’t want people to unify and leave, just start a flame war!

How did redditors treat him? I was subscribed to the sub and I have no idea who db0 is. I recently learned that db0 owns the lemmy.dbzer0.com instance but I don't know anything beyond that.

It's still one of the top posts on !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/35555?scrollToComments=true . r/piracy went downhill soon after this.

So what?

He was a mod and then he wasn't. Why does it matter? Whas he a very active and liked mod or something? And reddit did that not redditors.

It's unprecedented at the time because he was the top mod so the only one that can remove him was Reddit admins, and they did. r/piracy fell into a complete chaos shortly after that, lots of awful stuff so I didn't stay long to see how it went.

Then how was it the "Redditors" fault?

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Piracy and Porn rule the Internet

and ai generated jesus

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Back in my day we had Netflix and nothing else, and it was good. Nowadays I can't even watch Looney Tunes on fucking Max because they were delisted. Please someone explain to these execs why they are losing money. They're dying.

I got into datahording pirated media out of spite, youthful angst and complete lack of funds. Now i literally consider it an act of preservation.

lack of funds

datahoarding

how’s that working out for you?

I did the same, gotta keep an eye out for good deals. Last year i got a 18tb ultrastar HDD for $40 cad from an auction ($10+$30 shippibg to RMA)

Also shucked a 12tb Ultrastar out of a external enclosure

At one point I got 3 used 1tb drives for free out of an old business server

Im up to about 40tb of storage across all my drives now

Execs are getting paid millions! They DGAF. Once they drive one thing into the ground, they can just move on after landing very softly with their golden parachute.

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To be fair I can't find a decent collection Looney Tunes on the high seas either.

It's out there. I managed to collect nearly everything from I think '35 onwards.

Because of the price hike by all the streaming services, pirating never felt better. I can watch anything I want, any time, dont have to wait for my monthly sub to expire to switch to another provider and than watch what onley they provide. Maybe if pirscy numbers rise they will do somthing that helps the consumer.

I had not realised this before, that there are multiple versions of the same community on different instances. For example there are multiple meme communities on different instances.

I wonder how this affects engagement considering that although there might be one large community there are several smaller ones. Perhaps not everyone assumes that there's a larger community on a different instance.

Also how does this affect niche communities where it may be that due to high fragmentation these communities might seem unusually small.

Further, if these niche communities remain unusually smaller than there Reddit counter parts would users leave do to perhaps lack of content versus their Reddit counter parts.

This is kind of a chicken and egg - users migrate or engage the more activity there is and it may lead to discouragement if their first impression is that there isn't content.

I don't know I'm probably rambling and don't know what I'm talking about.

The same is true in reddit. You have multiple communities effectively about the same thing. Eventually one settles into the "primary" one

I wonder if there shouldn't be a way of federating duplicate groups after the fact so one doesn't have to "win", they just all combine as one.

I thought Lemmy already had a solution for this that overlaps communities with the same name

I've had exactly this same thought. Doing it client-side seems easy enough, it's just like creating a multi-reddit and then when you want to post you have to choose which instance to post in.

The hard part is probably that these communities will have different moderators and different rules which complicates things substantially.

It's an issue that could be solved within lemmy where communities with the same name should be able to merge and show each others content.

It also happens when users join and pick the largest community at the time, which may be overtaken later but the user will never know unless they often go looking

It's an issue that could be solved within lemmy where communities with the same name should be able to merge and show each others content.

This is bad idea though, unless if it's an optional feature that the users themselves choose to activate (e.g similar to multireddit, but you don't have to manually curate the communities yourself). Imagine the same community from two opposing instances (e.g. blahaj and hexbear) somehow got merged by default. That would be an absolute shitshow. Also, how would moderation work? Those communities often have different moderation rule. Can mods from one community remove posts from another community with the same name? This would also be an absolute shitshow.

To ensure maximum shitshow, when channels merge the mods only are allowed to mod users from the merged instances not their own.

Nah. Make the mods battle in a gladiatorial arena for my enjoyment. Winner get the userbase.

This should be an optional feature for moderators. Mods from both communities must virtually shake hands and merge their communities into one. They could tweak how cross-moderation works. If one side becomes unmanageable, the other side can cut the line and split the community again.

Genuinely sounds like a solid idea to me. There are some lingering questions - both technical and non-technical - but they're fairly small. Such as:

  1. How easy or hard is it to implement?
  2. When communities merge, do their histories merge too or do only new posts show up to both? (My opinion: only new posts)
  3. When a merged community splits, do both sides keep a full copy of the posts from the time they were merged, or do they delete the posts that were posted to the other community? (My opinion: keep the history)
  4. Do they have to match everything - community description, exact wording of rules, graphics, exact name, etc - or do they just need to show each other's posts? (My opinion: just show each other's posts. It should basically be an automatic cross-post.)
  5. Should Lemmy software make this apparent to users, or should the responsibility lie on the mods to make the announcement? This question could be asked separately for merge events, split events, and the merged steady state - i.e. should Lemmy show some info about it while the communities are merged. (My opinion: I think especially for splits, it's important to let the users know especially if the mods want to hide it. The other cases I think it could be left up to the mods, although it would do no harm if Lemmy let you know which communities are merged)

My opinion to those questions is what I think is the "right" way to do it, but I also suspect my opinions to 2-4 are the easiest to implement.

Aliasing would work here. Allow a user to create an alias "meme" community that contains multiple meme based comunities. So when a user submits content to the alias the home server can just publish it on all communities. This is only user visible, so the community itself doesn't change... but from a user perspective you see more content under the same alias. Posts made this way could also have some additional Metadata to condense them together when you see the same post on multiple communities.

I like this idea as it could all be done in-browser client side.

That seems like a terrible idea, mostly anyways.

Just crosspost if you feel it fits your community.

If I'm not mistaken, lemmyverse.net did not always report properly from lemmy.world and there is a community with slightly more subscribers (https://lemmy.world/c/technology with 49.8k subs today)

Ah, I thought that might be the case. I did check that lemmy.world communities are listed to ensure it's not hiding them when I checked and I saw some.

I for one didn't know about Lemmy until the redit piracy community moved here.

I think I might be one of the very few reddit admins who took the move to lemmy seriously and that's why we managed to succeed so well.

I used to be part of the memes community but it sucked so much ass that I just returned to reddit

there's a lot of Linux memes... don't get me wrong I've had a chuckle at a couple Linux memes before but tbh most of the time it's just a reference to Linux and they forget to include a joke.

Those people are weird. I’m saying this as someone that has a Steam Deck and runs Proxmox and Opensense and 13 VMs and containers on my network, so you know I understand the value: Linux should never be prescribed to Normies. This is not the year of the Linux desktop. It might be your year of the Linux desktop, and that’s great! But to blanket prescribe it to everyone with a slight problem in Mac or Windows with the phrase “Just Use Linux!:tm:” like all of their problems will go away if you just move to a new OS is the most asinine, fanboy shit I’ve ever heard of. And it doesn’t have anything to do with “skill issues” or whatever, it’s that normal people don’t fucking care, just want shit to work

But I get it, we’re in the fediverse, where people have a higher proclivity for open source, open protocol, open hosting, open bars, etc. But if you’re reading this and getting upset, please understand there’s a whole lot of other shit to care about, and someone’s choice of OS has as much to do with you as their sexual preferences: none at all.

I think if somebody could benefit from it, I'm going to recommend it. Taking the attitude of "You're a normie, so obviously you can't appreciate Linux like I do" is condescending.

It’s not that I don’t think they can understand or appreciate it.

Think of it like this: coffee snobs can spend all day explaining to you the intricacies of the chemistry, the way the beans are grown, the way you grind them and the way you distribute them and the way you boil the water and pour it over or French press or whatever.

But at the end of the day, I just want a decent cup of coffee, I’m not picky. I don’t care. I understand what the coffee snob is trying to explain, I just don’t care.

In the same sense, a regular person can grasp Linux perfectly well. I can explain to them all day the benefits on open source and having ownership of your OS and full control over what packages end up on your machine and the g-g-goodness of a decent package manager. But at the end of the day, they’re not picky. They don’t care. They understand what I, a tech snob, am trying to say, they just don’t care.

The same way they may have a hobby or job in medicine or gardening or construction or whatever, they have things they care about that aren’t Linux, and there are millions of things in the world a person can care about. But a person that believes the thing they care about is more important than what other people care about is just fucking insufferable, and constantly telling others they should “Just Use Linux” is no different than a stereotypical vegan trying to get everyone to go vegan or a craft beer snob using it as their only personality trait or a gun nut that actually just has a snuff fetish or that person that constantly tells you “do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior”, except in this case, your Lord and Savior is just Linus Torvalds.

constantly telling others they should “Just Use Linux” is no different than a stereotypical vegan trying to get everyone to go vegan or a craft beer snob using it as their only personality trait

Okay, wow. So what you're saying is actually much worse than what I originally thought. You believe that saying "Torturing animals is wrong" is the same as saying "Craft beer is better than mass-produced beer".

Holy shit you’re an idiot and completely missing the point.

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It's a fantastic resource even if you are personally kinda cringe. rat-salute-2

Thanks hexbear. If you're from one of the bullying crowd, then the feeling's mutual :P

I just want to say db0 thanks for pythorhead!! definitely made my bot a bit easier to write.

Great! Sail bravely, for we're heading into the exciting waters of the future!

Rarr!

Liberation of closed source/trade marked goods is only a good thing.

Yeah but it's still corporate pandering and drowning your brain in bullshit. 'did you see the latest show that rich people decided we should be brainwashed with, it contains all the talking points they think will help society to continue to benefit them'

I much prefer stuff that's free because it's made by people who want to make it, I'll even put a few coins in their patreon if I really like it.

Yes and no, I understand what your saying but there is paid media that's has been born through passion and not a board room of ceos and marketers, share holders.

But I have less trust, especially series as they tend to start from passion then hijacked by corporate

Oh there is but it's sorted through rich people filters, if a hundred show ideas contain important and useful thoughts about our current society and one show Idea boils down to 'capitalism is good actually' then we already know which one will get made without any other information

I don't mind watching a 'capitalism is good' show occasionally if it's risen to the top because it makes important and informative statements but i can't abide a landscape where other opinions don't have that same ability.

is it? on my end, I can see that !technology@lemmy.world has 50k subs, but it doesn't come up if I search for it. weird

I think stats are all over the place. According to this /c/piracy is top.

But, yeah. When you go to technology on lemmy.world it shows 50k. When I visit it from feddit.uk, I see 294 subscribers.

Is each one showing how many users just your instance has subscribed, or does the lemmy.world one actually have the correct amount?

Each instance is showing how many from their instance are subbed. The parent instance should be showing the accurate count from all instances

I can't find copies of Australian standards books :(

Yo if you ever find a good source PLEASE tell me, this is a constant struggle for me too, I will return the favour

I'll keep it in mind. It's so weird how gated it is

your local library should have them or if you ask they can get them for you or tell you where you can access them.

They are starting to make them more accessible, for example, see here for actually free, official access to the standards but with a few caveats.

Thanks! My brief adventures into the TAFE library and my university's library's website searches were unsuccessful!

Blame profiteering businessmen and a weak as piss government of the time not stepping in to block the sale of the distribution of essential public information to a chinese entity for profit.

i don't even pirate much and im still subscribed, must be something in the activitypub protocol

(to avoid anyone getting whooshed the last part is a joke)

Congrats mate 👏🏻👏🏻 Thanks for everything you do with your instance and with fediseer.

I thought that it would have been one of the Linux subs lol

Wasn't this damn fediverse made because of this....? It should be obvious...

nah, it was a politically conscious choice to set up something like reddit, outside the control of capital and the state. the devs have written about it.

I mean, yes, but granted, for all I know, I'm supposing that Lemmy was built for open-source software supporters, and I guess alotta 'civil' liberals and 'libertarians' joined in, due to this cause...

I was thinking there was like a seperation between the M-Leninist mods (eg. Dessalines) and their site's followers.... like church and state...

I can see the headlines from shitty tech news websites now: "What is lemmy? A platform mostly where crooks go to find content to illegally download."

Or something equally ridiculous.

Lemmyverse? How will that exist in the Fediverse?

Fediverse > Lemmy Galaxy / Cluster?

People pirate and then wonder why small developer studios for example go broke or software becomes more expensive or less plenty. It's so dumb it hurts.