Fuck Forbes. They prop up conservatives and conservative talking points. They also post screens of tweets from conservatives, like the dickbag (from this article) who referred to the Ukraine army as "Ukronazis".
The news of this attack is great to hear, but we should not be supporting Forbes with clicks. They are the enemy.
I tend to agree with you, but I also think it's important to know how the "enemy" thinks and interpret the news. I don't think we should lock ourselves up in echo bubbles only reading stuff we agree with.
In theory I'd agree with you. I don't mind reading of nuances or different opinions than mine.
In general however, conservative media are worthless piece of shit embarrassments that I don't want to waste time on.
There's a difference between discussing with sometime with a different opinion, and stopping in the middle of the road responding to every deranged, mentally challenged ignorant mean crack addict who yells their vision of the world from the top of a soap box.
Agreed. They don't argue in good faith. Their goal is not honesty and truth. What's the point in engaging with someone like that?
Arguing in good faith is the important part.
As soon as I engage with someone not arguing in good faith, I leave. There's just no point.
Comparing Forbes to a deranged, mentally challenged crack addict isn't very fair, whatever your opinion is on Forbes or crack addicts.
Yeah, at least crack addicts have an excuse
We don't need to post their blatant propaganda as if it were a reliable source in order to do that though.
Forbes is just a blogging platform where "contributors" can post their clickbait. Forbes adds their reputation and the ads and then splits the profit with the "contributor"...
That explains the extremely low quality content from them. Thank you.
I once had a college professor tell me forbes was 'absolutely reliable.'
That was a decade years ago, but still.
Forbes used to be credible. Like so many, they gave up on making good content, because, it costs money to do so.
It not just cost money. It's easier to generate outrage and "interesting" articles when you can just make shit up (or at least distort facts), so bullshit gets more clicks and thus is more profitable!
In this case you are wrong. This article is by Forbes Staff, not a contributor.
Forbes uses one name to deliver two different products, one of which is an in house magazine.
we should not be supporting Forbes with clicks.
DeVito gif May I offer you an archive link in these trying times?
Nevertheless, Slava Ukraini!
What does that translate to ? some sort of rallying cry
Conservatives like the Tories, who are like"fascist-lite", or conservatives like USA conservatives, who are full on "nazi level fascists"? 😅
I think Forbes is scummy for many reasons and never liked them, you've given me another reason to dislike them.
Except for the tweet, how is this article not just bringing the news? I don’t get it.
Believe it or not, Forbes has written more than a single article.
But why give that comment on a post that is not that?
Because, just like FOX News we don't want to support any of their shit.
Just because there is one berry in the mountain of feces, we don't need to go digging for it.
Plenty of better news sources to support anyway.
I agree with the referencing a horrible twitter user in the article being a bad thing, but your stance on conservatives, especially your username, is very fascist in of itself.
No. It's not fascist to have a firm and authoritative opinion. It is, perhaps, violent and authoritarian in outlook, but conservatives have just tolerated if not endorsed an insurrection under false pretenses and those conservatives have yet to kill the traitor responsible for it, so contemplation of violence is justified because this 'cold civil war' as Vivek called it is not going to end with that boomer criminal in power ever again.
Are you suggesting there isn't nazis in Ukraine's armed forces? Take a look at the cemeteries for the soldiers, you will notice some weird flags flying.
I do like to see uplifting good news stories like this
Yeah. The gradual triumph of Ukraine makes me hopeful for the future of democracies in general
Yes, I hope it has been making China have second thoughts about invading Taiwan
Taiwan will be a powder keg in China's face
It'll be there always tempting them, but it will be a grievous mistake if they give into that temptation.
China will never invade Taiwan unless it wants a war with the US.
Idk why you people keep saying otherwise as though you have a point. 50 upvotes? Really? Come on guys. Wake up to fearmongering.
I hope you're right.
The investment and business class seem to think it's at least a possibility. It's why Bershire Hathaway sold their TSMC shares and why TSMC has started building foundries outside of Taiwan.
Taiwan has no defensive treaties, and an invasion wouldn't automatically bring anyone else into the war. China, like Russia, is a nuclear power, so I doubt nuclear nations would directly join the war. It would be another Russia-Ukraine war situation, but economically catastrophic (because of this, I doubt China would invade unless it gets into an economic state where it doesn't have much to lose).
I fear the moment the Republicans get control.
Make sure they don't...
I appreciate the distinct lack of hexgoons on this thread.
I had to reread that twice to realize you weren't upset at hexagons, and was wondering where you had found graphics of the Ukrainian war superimposed on turn based battle hex maps
lemmy.world defederated from a instance full of pro-russia shitheel trolls who would ruin any discussions regarding Ukraine. It's very nice not having to scroll through their propaganda.
Ohh I totally forgot about the defederation. Now it all makes sense.
Thanks
No tanks
finger guns
Zoop!
Yes! Good on them
Meh. I never saw anything like that. Usually russian-sympathizers are downvoted into oblivion and there's not that many of them.
I'm curious exactly what these people were saying, but now I'll never get to see because someone else decided to censor it for me.
Not really defederating, but I hope we can update lemmy so censorship is optional. You can choose to have posts hidden by mods hidden from you, or not. That way everyone wins, except for the children who think "I don't want to see this, so neither should anyone else!" And honestly, who cares about those kids?
I got kicked from communities in lemmy.ml a year ago when I tried Lemmy for the first time, for not worshipping everything China did.
Glad that you actually came to saner instances once they came live, and didn't just feel aversion to the Fediverse as a whole.
I mean I did just stop using Lemmy for a year. Then when Reddit did dumb and Lemmy exploded, I forgot that Lemmy was what I had tried.
hexbear is an instance full of communist trolls
Being pro Russia because you're pro communist is so fucking weird to me. The Russian federation is an imperialist capitalist oligarchical fascist state.
Being pro Russia because 'own the left' and 'our guy has autocratic dreams' is even weirder
Let's just agree that no matter your political leanings, being pro-Russia is fucking weird.
I swear to god it seemed like there was a massive shift in pro Russian sentiment when we all found out Russia had interfered in the 2016 election because
Obama was doing sanctions about it and a certain group of people is always anti Obama, regardless of what that means, politically
Russia had interfered on behalf of the guy they wanted, therefore Russian interference good
Logic has no place in that weird mob mentality. They're basically pro fascism, just you know the fascists that aren't Western. Makes it good fascism somehow.
Because they're not communists, they're just fascists that don't like being called fascists.
The lengths to which they cry just because people use the word "tankie" is ludicrous. They also have this custom to equate "tankie" and "communist" the same way not too politically literate right wingers do.
Yeah it's all down to the political spectrum bullshit. Far left and far right are complete opposite ends of the spectrum so therefore completely antithetical to one another!
Meanwhile in the real world, fascists and communists (well at least the Leninist/Maoist/Stalinist ones) are all just authoritarians with slightly different rationalizations for it. I kinda feel like the only reason the concept of left/right political spectrum even exists is so some authoritarians in academic circles can claim to be nothing like the Nazis.
Half of them are the obnoxious trust fund goons who lived on your floor in the dorms and had posters of Che on their walls. They generally came from wealth and this anti-capitalist rhetoric is just them rebelling against their parents. Their dad is probably a non-practicing jew who drives a VW Phaeton . They don't know their birth mothers too well but their step moms are probably women who graduated from high school two classes ahead of themselves. The obnoxious goons who base their entire personality on these kinds of interactions, they pride themselves on being "disliked for speaking truth to power".
The other half are shitheel trolls who are too wrapped up in their own attempts at edgy bullshit to understand the difference between "it's just a joke, bro" and "just drink the fucking kool-aid, bro".
Neither of those groups have any sense of self awareness.
So nah, they aren't communists.
Don't forget the paid Russian and Chinese state actors
I hope we left most of them on reddit.
No platform is free of them. All depends how big it is as to how much attention they give it.
Half of them are the obnoxious trust fund goons who lived on your floor in the dorms and had posters of Che on their walls.
That's... so specific. It sounds like you're just saying things, lol.
Che Guevara, not Che Banana.
Your dad ever bought a Jaffa orange ? well he's buying nukes for Israël. He's a jew
Lemme guess, they say fringe opinions you don't like and that makes them trolls?
Thank god, they flamed the crap out of me a couple of days ago, I thought this was what Lemmy was turning into and considered actually leaving.
I just block anyone who trolls. It takes a while, but the more you block, the less they become a problem.
With a higher lemmy adoption their presence should go proportionally down.
Does it block comments from the instance as well?
Kinda. They still appear with a message telling you that they are blocked. You can press a button to show the comment anyway. It is like a soft block where you can decide whether you want to read a comment or not.
What is a hexgoon?
Users from hexbear I presume. It's an instance with predominantly Russia-China supporting users.
Wow, that's news for me, never seen them supporting those 🤔
Don't worry, there's always a first time.
They seem to have taken their ball and gone home mostly, thankfully. The pro Russia capitalistic imperialism talk from people who are supposedly anti imperilism, communists was just some of the most absurd mental gymnastics I've ever seen.
Lemmy.World defederated them. They didn't take their ball and go home. Someone with some sense kicked their ball over the fence and said "we don't play games with jerkasses"
They defederated themselves from at least one of the larger instances before that. They were in full temper tantrum mode about people not enjoying their trolling.
The messaging coming from Budenov, the Ukrainian head of intelligence:
“We have the ability to hit any part of the temporarily occupied Crimea as of now. Absolutely at any point we can get the enemy. Those who have done stupid things, it’s better for them to leave,”
“And those who are waiting must prepare and do everything to help, first of all, the intelligence agencies, and then further, when the troops go into the open.”
Psyops for sure, but part of me wants it to happen. Now with this battery gone it definitely sets the stage.
I don't think it's only a psyops.
One think is getting hit by drones and missiles. It's a whole different level to not spot a landing squad crossing almost 100km of sea, land and blow up your critical military installation.
They likely already did it last year, when they blew up planes on a Russian base in Crimea, but it is nice to see that they still very much can do it.
russia seems to be bad at spotting and stopping anything armed in territory not currently on the front (or maybe there too?).
That is one of the key points of this war. The Russian army is an army of the age of tanks, with a handful of air support and some missiles. The Ukrainian army has already entered the age of drones, and uses it wisely.
I read a theory about why Ukraine has not completely destroyed the bridge to Crimea, even if they were able to, was to leave a way out & not fight the occupying troops into a corner, at which point their destructive unpredictability is worse than just letting them leave . This could be similar
No, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Russia has enough boats/ships to evacuate Crimea if they wanted. They used to supply the whole Crimea woth ships before the bridge was built.
If Ukraine could, they would definitely destroy the bridge. But it's just very difficult task.
Putin would forbid any evacuation plans. A bridge allows scared soldiers a way to run away without permission from command.
WTF, the bridge has checkpoints on both sides, you're not going to somehow sneak thousands of soldiers.
What checkpoint is going to stand against an army in full retreat?
You think they would mutiny? Then they can just steal some of the many ships in the harbors.
And again, 20 km long bridge is a perfect place to destroy / stop whatever you want. It's a chokepoint, hell to get through if the other sode doesn't want to let you go through.
Fool, you challenge me with trickery? I don't beliEEEEEVE in magIIIIIC! ONWAAAARD!!
i wonder if Russians realize how nervous they should be.. maybe seeing Russians shoot down Russians outside Moscow will start to wake them up..
Killing Prigozhin definitely pissed off a lot of nationalist Russians
What I don't get: Doesn't this turn the Wagner mercenaries into even more of loose cannons? What's stopping them to just fracture into chaotic splinter groups now?
As soon as these mercenaries stop getting paid, they'll wander off and find another paymaster.
Note that a good chunk of contemporary Wagner soldiers are forcibly recruited criminals. If there's something less reliable than a mercenary, that's a forcibly recruited criminal.
his name is a really easy banner to fly now.. he basically can't do anything wrong anymore.. he died a hero trying to save Russians from the corruption of Putin.. the anger will just grow, especially once that army in Ukraine starts knocking on doors inside Russia..
everyone sees that Putin just did it because he was AFRAID of Prigozhin
Even though I think that’s how it may have played in the West, it seemed like Prigozhin stayed pretty loyal to Putin all throughout, he was really careful to not lay any blame on Putin, more that he was misled. If anything, I wonder if blame will be placed on Shoigu, the Defense minister, that’s who Prigozhin’s beef was with I thought. I’d assume there will be some mob-style reprisals against Shoigu and/or the military leadership rather than against Putin himself. That still may benefit Ukrainians regardless.
Putin won't axe Shoigu he's his perfectly loyal Tuvan pet... not necessarily loyal to Putin (he started under Yeltsin), but to the office of the president: Shoigu is guaranteed to not make a move for office because he has no chance in the first place because racism.
He's pretty much the only person among the Siloviki who is guaranteed to not use their position as head of the army to putsch. Shoigu's best play is to be loyal to whoever happens to be his boss, and that's what he's doing. He may be otherwise incompetent bu he understands politics.
Thank you for linking that. The anthem absolutely slaps. Now I wish I was Tuvan. Or, at the very least, I wish the Russian Federation would collapse so Tuva can participate in the Olympics under their own flag, and then I will cheer for them so I can hear this anthem.
i don't disagree with one bit of your analysis, i'm just not sure Shoigu will be enough once Ukrainians start driving tanks down Russian highways.. popcorn time in any case, like you say..
once Ukrainians start driving tanks down Russian highways
I doubt the West will supply arms for a large-scale invasion of Russia. They've already made it clear that the stuff that they are supplying is to be used only in Ukraine, occupied Ukraine, and Crimea, and not anywhere in Russia proper. And Ukraine has been very careful to strike inside Russia only with weapons that do not come from Western governments, and to aim only at military and government targets inside Russia. I doubt a 'real' invasion will happen. Drone worries and border skirmishes, certainly; actual march-on-Moscow invasion, I doubt it.
nothing on this Earth is going to stop that Army.. they will do what they want now.. you just expressed every Russian's delusional dream..
Russians have some waking up in store for them
And on a more realistic note, Ukraine can only continue to fight as long as they have effective weapons, in large numbers - numbers too large for it's treasury to handle.
They have to get the arms from somewhere. Their best bet right now is the West, which has large amounts of various weapons designed to fight the Russians.
If they lost the support of the West, it's possible they could cobble together enough materiel from other sources - countries that would welcome Russian weakness, or welcome Russia's distraction, or see Ukraine as a buffer, or who simply want influence in the area. They could cobble together an arms supply from those sources, but the supply would be erratic, be less designed for interoperability, and would likely run out faster than the Ukrainians' need. I mean, even the US is struggling to supply enough munitions to Ukraine, I'm not sure who can keep up with the needed supply if the US steps out.
that is not an Army "being supported by" anyone.. it exists. it was armed and trained by NATO, that's correct.. it is basically a NATO force now.. deal with it or not, they're going to show you..
there is no force anywhere in Europe that can stop that Army now.. it doesn't matter if you understand that or not.. they don't need help..
You can have the best, most elite fighting force on the face of the planet. They still need weapons, they still need ammo, they still need grenades and rockets and artillery shells, their weapons and tanks and APC's and drones still need servicing and replacements.
In short, Ukraine needs an entire war-oriented production line and logistics/supply system. They have one now, courtesy of the EU, the US, and Ukraine's other allies. A significant percentage of that military aid came from the US. The US is interested in helping Ukraine regain it's full sovereignty including Crimea, and protecting it's European allies. It has absolutely no interest in or appetite for, any real invasion of Russian soil. The US and the EU have repeatedly told Ukraine that Ukraine cannot use any materiel supplied by the US, the EU, or European nations, in any attack on Russia itself.
Ukraine cannot 'win' an invasion of Russia with the weapons it currently has: they don't have enough weapons or anywhere near enough ammo to do it. They may have enough for quick strike forces, but they certainly don't have enough men to actually occupy Russia. Your dream of Ukrainian tanks rolling down Russian highways is just that - a dream.
As for your assertion that "that is not an Army "being supported by" anyone [...] they don't need help": here is a list of military retirement that the US has sent so far - it doesn't even invite what Ukraine has received from other countries or companies. Please explain to me how Ukraine, even with the best army in the world, would win it's war without the weapons and ammo supplied by it's allies. And again, this is just a list of the US military aid, not the EU, not Australia or any of the other countries and companies sending supplies. U.S. security assistance to Ukraine between January 20, 2020, and June 27, 2023:
[Please see my reply to this comment, it's a long list]
you're working really hard.. good luck with that..
In short, Ukraine...
i love that you actually used the words, "in short".. just to demonstrate what a troll you are..
10,000 Javelin anti-armor systems
70,000 other anti-armor systems and
munitions
1,700 Stinger anti-aircraft systems
4,000 TOW missiles
35,000 grenade launchers and small arms,
with ammunition
100,000 sets of body armor and helmets
Thousands of night-vision devices,
surveillance systems, thermal imagery
systems, optics, and laser rangefinders
C-4 and other explosives
Explosive-ordnance-disposal equipment
M18A1 Claymore mines
Anti-tank mines
Mine-clearing equipment
Obstacle-emplacement equipment
Medical supplies
Field equipment, cold-weather gear,
generators, and spare parts
Chemical, biological, radiological, and
nuclear protective equipment
18 armored bridging systems
160 155mm Howitzers and ammunition
72 105mm Howitzers and ammunition
47 120mm mortar systems
10 82mm mortar systems
67 81mm mortar systems
58 60mm mortar systems
203mm, 152mm, 130mm, 122mm, 120mm,
and 25mm ammunition
38 HIMAR systems
60,000 122mm Grad rockets
Precision-guided rockets
Rocket launchers and ammunition
154 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles
4 Bradley Fire Support Team vehicles
31 Abrams tanks
45 T-72B tanks (via the Czech Republic)
125 Stryker armored personnel carriers
300 M113 armored personnel carriers
250 M1117 armored security vehicles
200 armored medical-treatment vehicles
500 MRAP vehicles
125mm, 120mm, and 105mm tank
ammunition
2,000 Humvees
354 tactical vehicles
100 light tactical vehicles
68 trucks
124 trailers
10 command post vehicles
30 ammunition support vehicles
6 armored utility trucks
8 logistics support vehicle
89 heavy fuel tankers and 105 fuel trailers
1 Patriot air defense battery and munitions
8 NASAM systems
20 Avenger air defense systems
HAWK air defense systems and munitions
Laser-guided rocket systems
RIM-7 missiles
Antiaircraft guns and ammunition
Equipment to integrate with and sustain
Ukraine’s systems
9 anti-drone gun trucks and ammunition
10 anti-drone laser-guided rocket systems
High-speed anti-radiation missiles
(HARMs)
Precision aerial munitions
6,000 Zuni aircraft rockets (could function
as air defense)
7,000 Hydra-70 aircraft rockets
20 Mi-17 helicopters
ScanEagle drones
Puma drones
JUMP drones
CyberLux K8 drones
Switchblade drones
Phoenix Ghost drones
ALTIUS-600 drones (can also be used for
surveillance)
Munitions
2 Harpoon coastal defense systems
62 coastal and riverine patrol boats
Unmanned coastal defense vessels
Port and harbor security equipment
4 satellite communications antennas
2 radars for unmanned aerial systems
21 air surveillance radars
70 counter-artillery and counter-
mortar radars
20 multi-mission radars
Tactical secure communications systems
Counter air defense capability
Counter–unmanned aerial systems
Electronic jamming equipment
SATCOM terminals and services
Commercial satellite imagery services
"And we'll hate him... cause he's a Dark Knight."
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Nothing, and a few probably will. But a few small groups are much more easily handled. I wouldn't be surprised if smashing the group was the main motivation behind the plane crash.
a few small groups are much more easily handled
What about just one guy with a grudge and a shoulder-fired missile launcher (anti-aircraft or anti-tank, depending on how you prefer to travel)? I'm sure Putin himself has countermeasures but he may still have problems unless his men can track down every Wagnerite who may have taken home a souvenir from Ukraine.
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You missed Afghanistan’s war huh?
That's a really good question. Lots of implications. Will they attack the Kremlin? Will they continue stabilizing dictatorships in Africa? Will the Kremlin get control of them and use them in Ukraine? Revenge assassinations?
Most of those "nationalists" are fucking statetists.
Why, though?
that's exactly right.. keep that up, you'll get there..
Fuck Forbes. They prop up conservatives and conservative talking points. They also post screens of tweets from conservatives, like the dickbag (from this article) who referred to the Ukraine army as "Ukronazis".
The news of this attack is great to hear, but we should not be supporting Forbes with clicks. They are the enemy.
I tend to agree with you, but I also think it's important to know how the "enemy" thinks and interpret the news. I don't think we should lock ourselves up in echo bubbles only reading stuff we agree with.
In theory I'd agree with you. I don't mind reading of nuances or different opinions than mine.
In general however, conservative media are worthless piece of shit embarrassments that I don't want to waste time on.
There's a difference between discussing with sometime with a different opinion, and stopping in the middle of the road responding to every deranged, mentally challenged ignorant mean crack addict who yells their vision of the world from the top of a soap box.
Agreed. They don't argue in good faith. Their goal is not honesty and truth. What's the point in engaging with someone like that?
Arguing in good faith is the important part.
As soon as I engage with someone not arguing in good faith, I leave. There's just no point.
Comparing Forbes to a deranged, mentally challenged crack addict isn't very fair, whatever your opinion is on Forbes or crack addicts.
Yeah, at least crack addicts have an excuse
We don't need to post their blatant propaganda as if it were a reliable source in order to do that though.
Forbes is just a blogging platform where "contributors" can post their clickbait. Forbes adds their reputation and the ads and then splits the profit with the "contributor"...
That explains the extremely low quality content from them. Thank you.
I once had a college professor tell me forbes was 'absolutely reliable.'
That was a decade years ago, but still.
Forbes used to be credible. Like so many, they gave up on making good content, because, it costs money to do so.
It not just cost money. It's easier to generate outrage and "interesting" articles when you can just make shit up (or at least distort facts), so bullshit gets more clicks and thus is more profitable!
In this case you are wrong. This article is by Forbes Staff, not a contributor.
Forbes uses one name to deliver two different products, one of which is an in house magazine.
DeVito gif May I offer you an archive link in these trying times?
Nevertheless, Slava Ukraini!
What does that translate to ? some sort of rallying cry
Glory to Ukraine
Conservatives like the Tories, who are like"fascist-lite", or conservatives like USA conservatives, who are full on "nazi level fascists"? 😅
I think Forbes is scummy for many reasons and never liked them, you've given me another reason to dislike them.
Except for the tweet, how is this article not just bringing the news? I don’t get it.
Believe it or not, Forbes has written more than a single article.
But why give that comment on a post that is not that?
Because, just like FOX News we don't want to support any of their shit.
Just because there is one berry in the mountain of feces, we don't need to go digging for it.
Plenty of better news sources to support anyway.
I agree with the referencing a horrible twitter user in the article being a bad thing, but your stance on conservatives, especially your username, is very fascist in of itself.
Intolerance of intolerance is essential to a free society. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
No. It's not fascist to have a firm and authoritative opinion. It is, perhaps, violent and authoritarian in outlook, but conservatives have just tolerated if not endorsed an insurrection under false pretenses and those conservatives have yet to kill the traitor responsible for it, so contemplation of violence is justified because this 'cold civil war' as Vivek called it is not going to end with that boomer criminal in power ever again.
Are you suggesting there isn't nazis in Ukraine's armed forces? Take a look at the cemeteries for the soldiers, you will notice some weird flags flying.
I do like to see uplifting good news stories like this
Yeah. The gradual triumph of Ukraine makes me hopeful for the future of democracies in general
Yes, I hope it has been making China have second thoughts about invading Taiwan
Taiwan will be a powder keg in China's face
It'll be there always tempting them, but it will be a grievous mistake if they give into that temptation.
China will never invade Taiwan unless it wants a war with the US.
Idk why you people keep saying otherwise as though you have a point. 50 upvotes? Really? Come on guys. Wake up to fearmongering.
I hope you're right.
The investment and business class seem to think it's at least a possibility. It's why Bershire Hathaway sold their TSMC shares and why TSMC has started building foundries outside of Taiwan.
Taiwan has no defensive treaties, and an invasion wouldn't automatically bring anyone else into the war. China, like Russia, is a nuclear power, so I doubt nuclear nations would directly join the war. It would be another Russia-Ukraine war situation, but economically catastrophic (because of this, I doubt China would invade unless it gets into an economic state where it doesn't have much to lose).
I fear the moment the Republicans get control.
Make sure they don't...
I appreciate the distinct lack of hexgoons on this thread.
I had to reread that twice to realize you weren't upset at hexagons, and was wondering where you had found graphics of the Ukrainian war superimposed on turn based battle hex maps
Hexoghouls
Out of the loop, what happened?
lemmy.world defederated from a instance full of pro-russia shitheel trolls who would ruin any discussions regarding Ukraine. It's very nice not having to scroll through their propaganda.
Ohh I totally forgot about the defederation. Now it all makes sense.
Thanks
No tanks
finger guns
Zoop!
Yes! Good on them
Meh. I never saw anything like that. Usually russian-sympathizers are downvoted into oblivion and there's not that many of them.
I'm curious exactly what these people were saying, but now I'll never get to see because someone else decided to censor it for me.
Not really defederating, but I hope we can update lemmy so censorship is optional. You can choose to have posts hidden by mods hidden from you, or not. That way everyone wins, except for the children who think "I don't want to see this, so neither should anyone else!" And honestly, who cares about those kids?
I got kicked from communities in lemmy.ml a year ago when I tried Lemmy for the first time, for not worshipping everything China did.
Glad that you actually came to saner instances once they came live, and didn't just feel aversion to the Fediverse as a whole.
I mean I did just stop using Lemmy for a year. Then when Reddit did dumb and Lemmy exploded, I forgot that Lemmy was what I had tried.
hexbear is an instance full of communist trolls
Being pro Russia because you're pro communist is so fucking weird to me. The Russian federation is an imperialist capitalist oligarchical fascist state.
Being pro Russia because 'own the left' and 'our guy has autocratic dreams' is even weirder
Let's just agree that no matter your political leanings, being pro-Russia is fucking weird.
I swear to god it seemed like there was a massive shift in pro Russian sentiment when we all found out Russia had interfered in the 2016 election because
Logic has no place in that weird mob mentality. They're basically pro fascism, just you know the fascists that aren't Western. Makes it good fascism somehow.
Because they're not communists, they're just fascists that don't like being called fascists.
The lengths to which they cry just because people use the word "tankie" is ludicrous. They also have this custom to equate "tankie" and "communist" the same way not too politically literate right wingers do.
Yeah it's all down to the political spectrum bullshit. Far left and far right are complete opposite ends of the spectrum so therefore completely antithetical to one another!
Meanwhile in the real world, fascists and communists (well at least the Leninist/Maoist/Stalinist ones) are all just authoritarians with slightly different rationalizations for it. I kinda feel like the only reason the concept of left/right political spectrum even exists is so some authoritarians in academic circles can claim to be nothing like the Nazis.
Tankies are not Communists.
No. They are not.
Half of them are the obnoxious trust fund goons who lived on your floor in the dorms and had posters of Che on their walls. They generally came from wealth and this anti-capitalist rhetoric is just them rebelling against their parents. Their dad is probably a non-practicing jew who drives a VW Phaeton . They don't know their birth mothers too well but their step moms are probably women who graduated from high school two classes ahead of themselves. The obnoxious goons who base their entire personality on these kinds of interactions, they pride themselves on being "disliked for speaking truth to power".
The other half are shitheel trolls who are too wrapped up in their own attempts at edgy bullshit to understand the difference between "it's just a joke, bro" and "just drink the fucking kool-aid, bro".
Neither of those groups have any sense of self awareness.
So nah, they aren't communists.
Don't forget the paid Russian and Chinese state actors
I hope we left most of them on reddit.
No platform is free of them. All depends how big it is as to how much attention they give it.
That's... so specific. It sounds like you're just saying things, lol.
Che Guevara, not Che Banana.
Your dad ever bought a Jaffa orange ? well he's buying nukes for Israël. He's a jew
Lemme guess, they say fringe opinions you don't like and that makes them trolls?
Thank god, they flamed the crap out of me a couple of days ago, I thought this was what Lemmy was turning into and considered actually leaving.
I just block anyone who trolls. It takes a while, but the more you block, the less they become a problem.
With a higher lemmy adoption their presence should go proportionally down.
Does it block comments from the instance as well?
Kinda. They still appear with a message telling you that they are blocked. You can press a button to show the comment anyway. It is like a soft block where you can decide whether you want to read a comment or not.
What is a hexgoon?
Users from hexbear I presume. It's an instance with predominantly Russia-China supporting users.
Wow, that's news for me, never seen them supporting those 🤔
Don't worry, there's always a first time.
They seem to have taken their ball and gone home mostly, thankfully. The pro Russia capitalistic imperialism talk from people who are supposedly anti imperilism, communists was just some of the most absurd mental gymnastics I've ever seen.
Lemmy.World defederated them. They didn't take their ball and go home. Someone with some sense kicked their ball over the fence and said "we don't play games with jerkasses"
They defederated themselves from at least one of the larger instances before that. They were in full temper tantrum mode about people not enjoying their trolling.
The messaging coming from Budenov, the Ukrainian head of intelligence:
“We have the ability to hit any part of the temporarily occupied Crimea as of now. Absolutely at any point we can get the enemy. Those who have done stupid things, it’s better for them to leave,”
“And those who are waiting must prepare and do everything to help, first of all, the intelligence agencies, and then further, when the troops go into the open.”
Psyops for sure, but part of me wants it to happen. Now with this battery gone it definitely sets the stage.
I don't think it's only a psyops.
One think is getting hit by drones and missiles. It's a whole different level to not spot a landing squad crossing almost 100km of sea, land and blow up your critical military installation.
They likely already did it last year, when they blew up planes on a Russian base in Crimea, but it is nice to see that they still very much can do it.
russia seems to be bad at spotting and stopping anything armed in territory not currently on the front (or maybe there too?).
That is one of the key points of this war. The Russian army is an army of the age of tanks, with a handful of air support and some missiles. The Ukrainian army has already entered the age of drones, and uses it wisely.
I read a theory about why Ukraine has not completely destroyed the bridge to Crimea, even if they were able to, was to leave a way out & not fight the occupying troops into a corner, at which point their destructive unpredictability is worse than just letting them leave . This could be similar
No, that doesn't make a lot of sense. Russia has enough boats/ships to evacuate Crimea if they wanted. They used to supply the whole Crimea woth ships before the bridge was built.
If Ukraine could, they would definitely destroy the bridge. But it's just very difficult task.
Putin would forbid any evacuation plans. A bridge allows scared soldiers a way to run away without permission from command.
WTF, the bridge has checkpoints on both sides, you're not going to somehow sneak thousands of soldiers.
What checkpoint is going to stand against an army in full retreat?
You think they would mutiny? Then they can just steal some of the many ships in the harbors.
And again, 20 km long bridge is a perfect place to destroy / stop whatever you want. It's a chokepoint, hell to get through if the other sode doesn't want to let you go through.
All your base are belong to dust
They set them up the bomb, all right.
We get signal!
Hahaha How are you, gentleman?
What you say?
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i wonder if Russians realize how nervous they should be.. maybe seeing Russians shoot down Russians outside Moscow will start to wake them up..
Killing Prigozhin definitely pissed off a lot of nationalist Russians
What I don't get: Doesn't this turn the Wagner mercenaries into even more of loose cannons? What's stopping them to just fracture into chaotic splinter groups now?
As soon as these mercenaries stop getting paid, they'll wander off and find another paymaster.
Note that a good chunk of contemporary Wagner soldiers are forcibly recruited criminals. If there's something less reliable than a mercenary, that's a forcibly recruited criminal.
his name is a really easy banner to fly now.. he basically can't do anything wrong anymore.. he died a hero trying to save Russians from the corruption of Putin.. the anger will just grow, especially once that army in Ukraine starts knocking on doors inside Russia..
everyone sees that Putin just did it because he was AFRAID of Prigozhin
Even though I think that’s how it may have played in the West, it seemed like Prigozhin stayed pretty loyal to Putin all throughout, he was really careful to not lay any blame on Putin, more that he was misled. If anything, I wonder if blame will be placed on Shoigu, the Defense minister, that’s who Prigozhin’s beef was with I thought. I’d assume there will be some mob-style reprisals against Shoigu and/or the military leadership rather than against Putin himself. That still may benefit Ukrainians regardless.
Putin won't axe Shoigu he's his perfectly loyal Tuvan pet... not necessarily loyal to Putin (he started under Yeltsin), but to the office of the president: Shoigu is guaranteed to not make a move for office because he has no chance in the first place because racism.
He's pretty much the only person among the Siloviki who is guaranteed to not use their position as head of the army to putsch. Shoigu's best play is to be loyal to whoever happens to be his boss, and that's what he's doing. He may be otherwise incompetent bu he understands politics.
(Side note: Tuva does have a kickass national anthem, with throat singing and everything)
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Thank you for linking that. The anthem absolutely slaps. Now I wish I was Tuvan. Or, at the very least, I wish the Russian Federation would collapse so Tuva can participate in the Olympics under their own flag, and then I will cheer for them so I can hear this anthem.
i don't disagree with one bit of your analysis, i'm just not sure Shoigu will be enough once Ukrainians start driving tanks down Russian highways.. popcorn time in any case, like you say..
I doubt the West will supply arms for a large-scale invasion of Russia. They've already made it clear that the stuff that they are supplying is to be used only in Ukraine, occupied Ukraine, and Crimea, and not anywhere in Russia proper. And Ukraine has been very careful to strike inside Russia only with weapons that do not come from Western governments, and to aim only at military and government targets inside Russia. I doubt a 'real' invasion will happen. Drone worries and border skirmishes, certainly; actual march-on-Moscow invasion, I doubt it.
nothing on this Earth is going to stop that Army.. they will do what they want now.. you just expressed every Russian's delusional dream..
Russians have some waking up in store for them
And on a more realistic note, Ukraine can only continue to fight as long as they have effective weapons, in large numbers - numbers too large for it's treasury to handle.
They have to get the arms from somewhere. Their best bet right now is the West, which has large amounts of various weapons designed to fight the Russians.
If they lost the support of the West, it's possible they could cobble together enough materiel from other sources - countries that would welcome Russian weakness, or welcome Russia's distraction, or see Ukraine as a buffer, or who simply want influence in the area. They could cobble together an arms supply from those sources, but the supply would be erratic, be less designed for interoperability, and would likely run out faster than the Ukrainians' need. I mean, even the US is struggling to supply enough munitions to Ukraine, I'm not sure who can keep up with the needed supply if the US steps out.
that is not an Army "being supported by" anyone.. it exists. it was armed and trained by NATO, that's correct.. it is basically a NATO force now.. deal with it or not, they're going to show you..
there is no force anywhere in Europe that can stop that Army now.. it doesn't matter if you understand that or not.. they don't need help..
You can have the best, most elite fighting force on the face of the planet. They still need weapons, they still need ammo, they still need grenades and rockets and artillery shells, their weapons and tanks and APC's and drones still need servicing and replacements.
In short, Ukraine needs an entire war-oriented production line and logistics/supply system. They have one now, courtesy of the EU, the US, and Ukraine's other allies. A significant percentage of that military aid came from the US. The US is interested in helping Ukraine regain it's full sovereignty including Crimea, and protecting it's European allies. It has absolutely no interest in or appetite for, any real invasion of Russian soil. The US and the EU have repeatedly told Ukraine that Ukraine cannot use any materiel supplied by the US, the EU, or European nations, in any attack on Russia itself.
Ukraine cannot 'win' an invasion of Russia with the weapons it currently has: they don't have enough weapons or anywhere near enough ammo to do it. They may have enough for quick strike forces, but they certainly don't have enough men to actually occupy Russia. Your dream of Ukrainian tanks rolling down Russian highways is just that - a dream.
As for your assertion that "that is not an Army "being supported by" anyone [...] they don't need help": here is a list of military retirement that the US has sent so far - it doesn't even invite what Ukraine has received from other countries or companies. Please explain to me how Ukraine, even with the best army in the world, would win it's war without the weapons and ammo supplied by it's allies. And again, this is just a list of the US military aid, not the EU, not Australia or any of the other countries and companies sending supplies. U.S. security assistance to Ukraine between January 20, 2020, and June 27, 2023:
[Please see my reply to this comment, it's a long list]
you're working really hard.. good luck with that..
i love that you actually used the words, "in short".. just to demonstrate what a troll you are..
10,000 Javelin anti-armor systems
70,000 other anti-armor systems and
munitions
1,700 Stinger anti-aircraft systems
4,000 TOW missiles
35,000 grenade launchers and small arms,
with ammunition
100,000 sets of body armor and helmets
Thousands of night-vision devices,
surveillance systems, thermal imagery
systems, optics, and laser rangefinders
C-4 and other explosives
Explosive-ordnance-disposal equipment
M18A1 Claymore mines
Anti-tank mines
Mine-clearing equipment
Obstacle-emplacement equipment
Medical supplies
Field equipment, cold-weather gear,
generators, and spare parts
Chemical, biological, radiological, and
nuclear protective equipment
18 armored bridging systems
160 155mm Howitzers and ammunition
72 105mm Howitzers and ammunition
47 120mm mortar systems
10 82mm mortar systems
67 81mm mortar systems
58 60mm mortar systems
203mm, 152mm, 130mm, 122mm, 120mm,
and 25mm ammunition
38 HIMAR systems
60,000 122mm Grad rockets
Precision-guided rockets
Rocket launchers and ammunition
154 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles
4 Bradley Fire Support Team vehicles
31 Abrams tanks
45 T-72B tanks (via the Czech Republic)
125 Stryker armored personnel carriers
300 M113 armored personnel carriers
250 M1117 armored security vehicles
200 armored medical-treatment vehicles
500 MRAP vehicles
125mm, 120mm, and 105mm tank
ammunition
2,000 Humvees
354 tactical vehicles
100 light tactical vehicles
68 trucks
124 trailers
10 command post vehicles
30 ammunition support vehicles
6 armored utility trucks
8 logistics support vehicle
89 heavy fuel tankers and 105 fuel trailers
1 Patriot air defense battery and munitions
8 NASAM systems
20 Avenger air defense systems
HAWK air defense systems and munitions
Laser-guided rocket systems
RIM-7 missiles
Antiaircraft guns and ammunition
Equipment to integrate with and sustain
Ukraine’s systems
9 anti-drone gun trucks and ammunition
10 anti-drone laser-guided rocket systems
High-speed anti-radiation missiles
(HARMs)
Precision aerial munitions
6,000 Zuni aircraft rockets (could function
as air defense)
7,000 Hydra-70 aircraft rockets
20 Mi-17 helicopters
ScanEagle drones
Puma drones
JUMP drones
CyberLux K8 drones
Switchblade drones
Phoenix Ghost drones
ALTIUS-600 drones (can also be used for
surveillance)
Munitions
2 Harpoon coastal defense systems
62 coastal and riverine patrol boats
Unmanned coastal defense vessels
Port and harbor security equipment
4 satellite communications antennas
2 radars for unmanned aerial systems
21 air surveillance radars
70 counter-artillery and counter-
mortar radars
20 multi-mission radars
Tactical secure communications systems
Counter air defense capability
Counter–unmanned aerial systems
Electronic jamming equipment
SATCOM terminals and services
Commercial satellite imagery services
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Nothing, and a few probably will. But a few small groups are much more easily handled. I wouldn't be surprised if smashing the group was the main motivation behind the plane crash.
What about just one guy with a grudge and a shoulder-fired missile launcher (anti-aircraft or anti-tank, depending on how you prefer to travel)? I'm sure Putin himself has countermeasures but he may still have problems unless his men can track down every Wagnerite who may have taken home a souvenir from Ukraine.
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You missed Afghanistan’s war huh?
That's a really good question. Lots of implications. Will they attack the Kremlin? Will they continue stabilizing dictatorships in Africa? Will the Kremlin get control of them and use them in Ukraine? Revenge assassinations?
Most of those "nationalists" are fucking statetists.
Why, though?
that's exactly right.. keep that up, you'll get there..
this happened yesterday. S400 and Bastion
today there was amphibious raid in general area of that site, with air support, presumably allowed by previous activities
Ukrainian soldiers in Crimea? Do you have a link?
Ukraine claims Crimea landing for 'special operation' on Independence Day
fresh off the press https://nitter.net/NOELreports/status/1694653600985723382#m
GUR has released video of S400 site being destroyed, but only from the frame when explosion happened, as in, not showing what did it
Good.
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Get absolutely fucked orc scum!
Good job!
You said it, Barbie!