I really hope the momentum holds and the numbers will continue to grow!
I'm really excited to be here, Lemmy feels like reddit in the golden years (long gone).
agreed, I have found that interacting with content here has been more meaningful and the interactions to be more welcoming. Happy weekend to you!
Happy weekend back to you mate
I have 2 weeks off whoop!
I completely agree! And I don't think we've really started to see people leave reddit yet, that'll happen when the 3PAs stop working
Oh true! Once reddit floods with sewage from bot posts and mods can't deal, lemmy is going to flood with users!
Agreed. So much less noise.
Have to agree, I donβt really mind how many total users or active users there are at this point, thereβs enough talk to engage in proper conversations now
Yup finally seeing a lot of good conversations now. Which was really always the best part of Reddit.
I do expect that it will taper off eventually and then drop for a bit before leveling out (not being pessimistic, it's just a simple fact that much of the current growth of Lemmy, or for that matter kbin or other reddit alternatives, is due to people leaving reddit, and eventually everyone that wants to leave who is willing to consider this place will have come over, so the growth will stop or at least revert to a more "normal" pace, and not everyone will end up liking Lemmy, and so there will be some fraction of people that don't stay long once the hype over people moving from reddit has died down). However, it should still stabilize somewhere much higher than things were before the migration, so my hope is that it gets enough momentum that the number of people that remain when this incident is over is enough to sustain a functional community.
Realistic assessment but the way reddit's ceo is going ,I think we will see more exodus 1st july and again shortly after that, I do think reddits bad news train has only just left the station.
Lemmy gives me that new frontier feeling. Win 98SE times was the last time i felt it.
I'm getting that feeling too.
What part of 98SE made you feel like it was that much different from 95, outside of being slightly less buggy?
Not OP, but when they pivoted and included the web into the core of the OS. It was like, wait, what??
Man I came here to post this LOL
Neat, anyone else having problems upvoting anything? I try but it just goes right back down.
From my experience it's just not showing on your end but after a while it updates the votes
yeah, just a little buggy sometimes
Sometimes the site goes a little buggy. Sometimes i get 503 but i just wait, refresh, or i heard someone say too they have lemmy and kbin account and use the other when one is down xD I think itβs still adjusting to having so many users
Same
Haven't experienced any real bugs yet on here, but 90% of the time when a website is not working as expected for me, switching to firefox fixes it.
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Are we allowing emojis here? If so just another reason for people to flee Reddit
Are we allowing emojis here?
You need permission to use emojis? π€
Oh, you mean in the sense that βemojis = downvotesβ on Reddit. I still used them on Reddit anyway. π€·ββοΈ
BTW: you can use : shorthand for emojis, in case you didnβt know. π
I π emojis. Watch Reddit burn. πΏ Slava Ukraini πΊπ¦
In my opinion emojis are great for casual discussions and they convey a little playfulness.
For more serious topics they might be a little inappropriate or appear out of place for some people.
I π₯° emojis.
Grow π±πͺ΄ up βοΈπ
Edit: jk I misinterpreted I thought you were raging about them lmfao
I need to grow up
I don't care much about the emoji option, but the ability to add an image to a reply without having to do it manually through imgur etc is something I've wanted for years!
Lemmy is far less mature than reddit but at least its still improving and growing
The most important is to keep up the momentum. Users don't mean anything if there's no content. We all need to keep posting stuff and keep actively disucsing stuff!
I would argue that depends entirely in which context you use the word "mature" haha.
That's what I love about it, though. The fact that it is still maturing means that we as a community have a say on how Lemmy will evolve.
To be honest, the fact that such immature software is capable of being a viable alternative to one of the biggest websites on the internet is already super impressive.
Let's see where we will head in a couple of years.
Damn right. I've been using Reddit for years, and after this shitshow I moved to Lemmy and honestly, it doesn't feel that much different. I don't make content, nor do I moderate, so I just scroll and lurk, and comment sometimes, and Lemmy has a steep, extremely short learning curve (you can call it simply a barrier to entry), but after understanding very few basic concepts, this shit feels as natural as Reddit. Besides, I'm testing the Memmy app for iOS and it's improving exponentially.
I seriously feel like Lemmy can become a good alternative, for real, not for the memes.
Lemmy has a lot of obstacles that will prevent it from truly going mainstream:
The community browser is complete dog shit for discovering content on different instances, and trying to view another instance's content from your own community is just needlessly complex. Discoverability is still a lot better than Mastodon though, where you'd look at all post and see nothing but hentai reposting bots regurgitating stuff that isn't even allowed on NSFWLemmy...
Due to the nature of federation, you also run the risk of committing to an instance only for them to defederate entirely, or disassociate from content you want to see but they don't agree with. Beehaw is a very good example of this.
As there's no option (yet) to migrate to a different instance, and Lemmy is a FOSS project that cannot be monetized in the same way as a traditional social media site, what happens when instances start shutting down due to being unable to keep up with server hosting costs?
I cannot speak for the iOS option available, but Jerboa is barebones. For example, you can't even tap on a post/comment reply in your inbox to go to that comment's permalink and view the context. This is incredibly basic functionality for any social news aggregator. Even with the fediverse in general surpassing 150,000 users, I don't see Lemmy getting the same level of third-party app support as Reddit had.
These are all valid complaints, but I feel like you need to put this into perspective. This platform has blown up in the last week, change is going to come but itβs going to take some time. Iβm sure it will go faster now that it is really taking off though.
These concerns are valid.
Some are transitory however - 1, 3 and 4 all reflect the current state of Lemmy and the similar Kbin are in currently. The Reddit issues were unexpected and people have migrated en masse to Lemmy/Kbin and have found was is in many ways Alpha software. This issues will mostly be resolved with time, and that is probably accelerated now as more people means more people interested in development, and motivated by anger at Reddit. I don't think Lemmy/Kbin will replace Reddit right now, but I think a new trajectory has been set. Communities are hitting critical mass to keep growing.
Look at Mastodon, it's at 1.2m-2m active users each month; it is still small fry and niche compared to Twitter but it exploded thanks to Twitter's mess, and is growing. I think we're seeing something similar with Lemmy and Kbin, but this is just the start of a long road and an expanded community will accelerate improvement and growth.
But point 2 is fundamental to the fediverse - fragmentation due to defederating could be a concern. I get Beehaw's motivation but I think their actions will consign them to a niche part of the Fediverse, but that may be what they want. Ultimately I suspect the biggest servers will dominate a main interconnected fediverse through sheer size and notoriety - new servers will need to federate to the big players to grow. It's not necessairly a bad thing - but people may end up signed up to a "main" large interconnected "fediverse" and separately to smaller niche communities they're interested in but sitting in their own walled gardens/bubbles. It's not necessairly a bad thing though - it is just different to what people are used to with social media like Reddit. It'll be a trade off - servers and communities have complete independence and some will go for what suits them - part of a big fediverse or only federating to smaller aligned communities.
I am quite confident that the platform will go up in quality quick. Here is why I am confident:
A lot of these issues are temporary. Also, this is all happening very fast, it's entirely possible that some other website/service will pop up that'll be a lot better thought out.
Reddit was already well established and functional during the Exodus of Digg, so there wasn't much discussion about where to go. Today we have no solid alternative, so people are trying Lemmy, Kbin, Mastodon, Squabbles and other websites.
Digg is kinda before my time, what did they do to cause the exodus?
you can't even tap on a post/comment reply in your inbox to go to that comment's permalink and view the context.
You can, but only in the latest version. It takes multiple taps, though.
How?
Yeah... I don't get this...
The latest version is 0.34, and even though it was released almost a week ago, it still isn't on Google Play AFAIK. Google Play has a vetting process that takes time. It's to make sure people aren't putting malware on their store. I ended up uninstalling from Google Play and installed from GitHub. It's less safe, as someone could theoretically sneak malware into the codebase, but I guess I like to live dangerously.
undefined> what happens when instances start shutting down due to being unable to keep up with server hosting costs?
Well idk about you guys but self hosting is always an option. Not easy, but an option
On 4, what's up with this? Being fixed?
4 is already fixed in the alpha of jerboa, and the functionality is there but got accidentally hidden in the current version. You have to hold-click in your inbox to see context. These kind of hiccups are normal in a very new foss browser.
Server costs are not as high as Reddit made us believe. You can probably run a 10 user instance for less than 10β¬/month.
If the instance is good donations could keep it up forever, not even expensive donations. Certainly a fraction of what reddit is asking for reddit premium.
It's one of those times where I wish I learned programming/computer science and not History and accountancy.
I studied something completely unrelated with computer science. I started with programming and then with general computer science and now I know a lot of things and I'm quite probably going to land a job in IT field next year. It's never late to learn something new.
Coding is hard though, especially when you go past the basic tutorial stuff (Hello World, if statements, for/while loops, libraries, etc.) Actual computer science and understanding all the technical and mathematical aspects of computing is orders of magnitude harder than writing some C# or Javascript code.
Last time I actually tried to make an effort to learn how to code was back in the days when /r/CarlHProgramming was still active, long before Carl Herold was arrested on heinous child sex crimes.
If the fediverse gets very big, won't your instance need a lot of bandwidth and storage to sync all the content?
It's requirements will grow, but it's still mostly text and some images. Mastodon is kind of big (not twitter big but bigger and more active than lemmy) and there are people still self hosting their instance and there's lots of donation supported instances.
I think fediverse being instance-oriented should scalate well. As no instance really needs to hold the whole thing by its own.
I'm sure there's no way to tell, but I wonder how many are duplicate accounts to span different instances.
I think the best way to judge success is to look at the overall engagement and that one is very high.
You could probably find some ways to get a few of em but i don't know.
You shouldn't really need more than one or two accounts tho. Talking from kbin :)
What would be the use case for having two accounts?
Iβve heard SOME people are using a separate account for consuming highly unchristian forms of media, DEFINITELY not me though
Hhahaha I see
Porn posts. It's now on the fedi, so people may want to keep it separate
Cowards, the lot of them!
One possibility is an instance shutting down. Many instance admins are good about giving lots of notice, but sometimes that doesn't happen.
In fact there has been at least one instance on the fediverse which the admin disappeared from the internet, and their instance just slowly degenerated until it stopped working. Were they hit bt a bus? Who knows.
Big instances might want to have some contingency plans in place. This sounds like something we should all be aware of
Using different accounts to route around and still access content at instances that defederated from your original accountβs instance.
You can still view content from instances that defederated from your instance as long as your instance didn't block them.
You can still follow defederated content as long as you follow the users/instance?
In my experience, yes. I can see BeeHaw's content event though they defederated from my home instance a couple of days ago. I've also commented on some of their posts, which is weird...
Your comments won't show for beehaw or other instances, only people on your instance can see those comments.
Interesting. Is it safe to assume that beehaw would start seeing those same comments if they refederate with sh.itjust.works?
No, only comments made after they refederate
Maybe two instances that defederated from one another
If say, someone in Beehaw wanted to interact with Lemmy.World, theyβd have to make an account on Lemmy.World or some other instance that hasnβt defederated
Lemmy is blocked by my workplace firewall, kbin isn't. But I also want to use Jerboa.
Yeah, if Iβm anything to go by, youβd need to divide these figures by at least three to get to the number of new people. Still, itβs not a bad start.
Reddit killing 3rd party apps can be a blessing in disguise.
No kidding, I definitely prefer the lemmy experience. Obviously needs some polish, it'll come. (once again guilting myself into digging into the code)
I got as far as downloading the code for the Android app. Baby steps.
I now have an ubuntu virtual machine on my laptop, next step is getting it to run the website from source. Baby steps indeed!
When one door closes another Opens lol
I'm doing my part!
I'm commenting to boost engagement!
I'm upvoting quality content
I'm just clicking on things because I honestly have no idea what is going on
Just be glad people aren't randomly replying "google en passant" to your comments anymore
AnarchyChess has been contained... mostly.
Okay margot robbie.
Google "Barbie movie".
Are you fucking kidding me?
Does engagement even matter on Lemmy? They don't really have an algorithm that sends posts based on comments, unlike YouTube.
Currently on the $1/month patron tier for lemmy. Hope it helps the devs!
This is the way
I would like it if lemmy had near the numbers of reddit (although i dont think that will happen), but the userbase is already big and diverse enough to sustain some good communities that have an (imo) better feeling to them than reddit.
I would like it if lemmy had near the numbers of reddit
I wouldn't. People need to get away from the notion that more users = better. With more users comes trolls, bad faith actors, etc. Quality over quantity.
It depends on the goal of the platform. For spending your free time on and socializing i fully agree that smaller communities are the best. However as a forum for getting information (especially on niche subjects) more users = better more or less.
Which is a good point to remember I think. Having the community grow is good for people using lemmy as it allows smaller, more niche communities to have enough people interested in that thing to actually functionally exist, but at the end of the day it doesn't have to have the same number of users as reddit to be usable for you. Once enough people are here to be usable (which depending on what kind of communities you use, it may already be), it doesn't really much matter how much bigger lemmy gets. After all, it isn't some company where the point is growth at all costs.
I'm definitely sticking around. I agree.
PCGaming said this is the place to be, so I'm here. But why do I need to go to list > Subscribed to see the content I followed? Why isn't the stuff I want to see the default home page? I shouldn't have to go to settings and change the default to Subscriptions.
Because there's no preselected default subscriptions like with Reddit. If it defaulted to subscribed when you make an account, then the first thing you would see is nothing. By defaulting to all, it allows you new users to see all that's available, and once you find a decent amount of interesting communities and subscribe to them, then it makes sense for you to manually change your default to subscribed at your discretion.
The first thing I did after creating an account here was to go to Settings and find the setting to change that. And I mean at least that option exists and is easy to find.
My guess is that the feature of suggesting "subs" after creating an account does not exist yet and just showing an empty feed is not that great.
I think the main reason for that design decision was due to the small user base in the past.
You can do this in Lemmy, default the Home Screen to Subscribed. Itβs an option for each user, but the instance admin can choose a default. Iβm not sure about Kbin.
So youβre angry that you have to click your screen 2x and waste 9 secondsβ¦. Instead youβd prefer every single new user to see no content at all?
Seems like an odd take.
Anxiously awaiting the next version release!
Cheers Lemmies
Lemurs.
Is that the official name we landed on?
Lemmings, that's what I've got in my head. π
I don't think it's been decided yet. My favourite is still Lemmings.
Yup finally seeing a lot of good conversations now. Which was really always the best part of Reddit.
In my opinion we're already more or less at the "functional" stage. I can browse the place and shitpost and stay entertained for quite a while, with new content coming in while I do it, so that if I'm so inclined I can spend a full day pissing away my time on lemmy. It's nowhere near Reddit yet, where I could pick any given topic and read almost infinitely on it, but that's a function both of time and size, and not a reasonable expectation for a brand new platform. As long as the numbers we have now are sustainable they'll become self-improving in that direction.
I, for one, count for at least 5 of these across separate instances. lol
What's the point of making multiple user accounts? Genuine question
Some instances are faster than others due to server load. Not sure how well Lemmy.world runs or what spec the server hosting the instance is, but Lemmy.ml runs like a pile of dog shite compared to the smaller ones, itβs constantly timing out, with error 500s too. I had to make another account on feddit.uk instead as it runs much faster.
Also for example if lemmynsfw was completely defederated, if you wanted nsfw content from there, you would have to make an account there to access that content.
Fret not though, over time the opensource community will step in to improve all of this.
I have 3. Signed up to beehaw first because that's what people recommended on Reddit. After a couple of days realised I'd prefer a mainstream server and went to ml. And then .world launched and with the better hardware and admin I moved again.
So it was all logical at the time but it means the total numbers across all instances are misleading. I'd say many users have at least 2 accounts.
I signed up for beehaw, they took forever to review my application, so I signed up on world. I guess I do have two
I've signed up to Lemmy.ml first, because it seemed like the main instance. My application was taking too long and I thought I messed up somewhere. So I signed up on beehaw.
Street that they defederated, I understand and respect this decision but I want to see all the instances so I created an account on Lemmy.world.
Then I discovered the solarpunk instance (slrpnk.net) and realized that this is a nice small community that I want to be part of so I joined them. Now I think I'm settled.
I made an account for memes and stuff. Then a more professional account. I'll probably make a porn account at some point, but not while the big porn instances are allowing loli and shit on their instance.
I'm an old man who doesn't care what others think, that's why my post history is everywhere and everything
i've read kbin might get merged with lemmy (or vice versa, whatever) , but cannot find the post talking about it anymore
anyone to confirm whether it's true (perhaps was I just dreaming , after all)
What do you mean? They can access the contents of each other
oh? I understood they couldn't , thanks for correcting me !
Yup I'm reading and posting this from Kbin right now! Federation is awesome!
I was wrong and spewed missinformation. Sorry
Which kbin instance?
I know BeeHaw defederated lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works.
Iβm unaware of it defederating kbin instance. I do know for a fact it wasnβt kbin.social.
Then I'm sorry I was misinformed, editing
This is not true but I've seen this posted many times. I don't even think there was talk of defederating from kbin among the admins. But I think this is a great litmus test for how people generally feel about that defederation. People simply see beehaw cutting itself off from the other large instances and assume that's the policy.
Then I'm sorry I was misinformed, editing.
As far as I know, lemmy instances can't sub to kbin magazines yet. I can't on my instance at least
im subbed to several kbin magazines form my instance
Interesting - then it's a problem with my thing's config. Thanks for the info - I'll check into it
I had that problem earlier as well earlier in the week but Iβm able to sub to kbin.social magazines now. Still figuring out how all this works though π
Is there any benefit to merging if it all just federated between them?
my aplogies, I thought they couldn't access each other's content, which , as zekiz said, isnt the case
We have to be vigilant though. Can't let what happened to Voat happen again.
What happened to voat?
Voat was actually pretty nice back in the day, smaller than Reddit but has its own niche communities, until the Pao thing happened, Voat committed to absolute free speech, and subs like FatPeopleHate and other subs banned from Reddit moved there, and then slowly it turned worse than /pol/ and the full front page was literally covered in Nazi slogans and N-word.
Then nobody wants to host such a horrid pool of toxic sludge anymore, and they shut down.
I think voat was a, and this is cliche phrasing, boil the frog situation by Reddit.
Reddit kicked all of those worst people off and they migrated to voat before tightening again and pushing a lot of good faith users off. I remember being in a wave of people trying voat but when my wave arrived, the worst elements of Reddit had beaten us to it and had critical mass.
I think the fediverse situation is somewhat different since a large wave of good faith redditors have been pushed off in the last few weeks, and found Lemmy without it having a critical mass of awful people. At the end of the month, when 3PA shut down Iβm sure there will be another wave of redditfugees and when they arrive, theyβll find this place as it is now so wonβt be immediately repelled, unlike how I was repelled from voat.
I miss the good old days with the containment subs for the retards.
I think Lemmy is an evolution of that, as now we have containment instances instead.
It will be good if they make their own instances.
Became a hotbed for trolls, open racists, actual neo nazis, etc
It's a lot more challenging to have that happen with federation, I think. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be actively vigilant of course, but there are a lot more centers they'd have to seize control of individually.
That figure includes all known users in the federation with Lemmy. The users on kbin instances is a lot less, I'm not sure how to check that though myself.
Ahhhh ok. That makes sense. Ty
Itβs about 37k on kbin.social.
probably not, since kbin isn't Lemmy.
Considering that it wouldn't be Lemmy, I don't imagine so... but I'm wondering how/whether they count federated users
This pleases me.
Woot! Iβm excited for Lemmyβs future
Good!
I'm loving the vibe here.
Wow so glad it's working !
Every time I see this chart I wonder what the huge sudden drop is earlier. Does anyone know?
instances might've shut down.
Do you know where the chart comes from? I want to follow it.
Fuck yes!! We will be legion, expect us u/spez lmao. Kiddings apart, great info!!!
Yup finally seeing a lot of good conversations now. Which was really always the best part of Reddit.
Gee I wonder why... ;)
Dumb question but have some people double dipped? I started on Lemmy.one and then created an instance on lemmy.world after realizing I couldnβt downvote.
In any case Iβm enjoying this more than Reddit!
Same - dot One to dot World for similar reasons.
Happy to be here!
I honestly wish I knew about this sooner. I like the idea of something being CEO-free
GG Lemmy, keep going!!
Reddit is blocked in my country so I have to open reddit using dns, because lemmy is already there, this is an opportunity to find a community forum for a replacement for reddit in my country.
This is my hope for Mastadon, and other instances as there is a need for information to continue to flow from areas of conflict/dictatorship regimes and democracies (actual information, not corporate or national propaganda).
Why the fuck is reddit blocked in your country? Where do you live if I may ask?
You think it's big now, just wait until July. Reddit's api changes are going to force people off of the site in droves. Right now it's a lot of noise and some movement, but a lot of the regular user base hasn't actually felt any effects yet. Once the changes make the site unusable for a lot of people there will be a lot more.
As someone who just deleted Apollo and tried to use the Reddit iOS app - this is exactly correct - site is unusable on the official app. People will flee.
Reddit app has 10-15x the downloads as apollo mate
And? You're implying a non sequitur.
95% of the people using reddit on mobile are already on official reddit app. Apollo going down isn't going to cause a massive flee, just a portion of the small userbase that is Apollo users.
You are assuming those people are still using the app.
When I first tried to use reddit on a phone, I downloaded the official app too. I just never used it after discovering it's useless.
Reddit has their numbers, obviously, but we don't.
The website now says that Lemmy is over 200,000 people, wow! This growth is amazing, I just hope the people joining are a bit more concrete though, and don't treat this place as a fad.
I have sync on my phone for now, going to be hard to delete. But, Jerboa has been great and the community here is nice. I definitely plan on staying for a long time after 13 years on reddit.
Yes same here. I lurked on Reddit long before the digg migration. And actively participated for at least 10 years. I still have the apps installed on my phone. But I literally have not opened them in days. I still have new tab or two in a browser open to specific subs. That I check infrequently. But as soon as I'm aware of counterparts on the Fediverse I am more than happy with Lemmy. My couple hours a day of scrolling on Reddit are now devoted solely to Lemmy and finding new communities as well as starting one of my own. Something which I never did on Reddit.
11 years with an account. Remember digg before that, and stumbleupon before that... I find this has been a nice change.
And the whole time slashdot has always been there for us. Actually I am kind of amazed that they are still around. But that is definitely old old old guard.
Now the number is over 1 million.
Been trying to make an account here for like a week. Kept hanging, but it finally went through this time!
Wooohoooooo!!! No one in this thread has an account older than 2 weeks.
How long has Lemmy been around for? The oldest thing I've seen so far is about two weeks old.
Glad to be part of this!
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It hit a million in late June; it's over 2 million now!
Is anyone making money from this?
Dumb question but have some people double dipped? I started on Lemmy.one and then created an instance on lemmy.world after realizing I couldnβt downvote.
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I really hope the momentum holds and the numbers will continue to grow!
I'm really excited to be here, Lemmy feels like reddit in the golden years (long gone).
agreed, I have found that interacting with content here has been more meaningful and the interactions to be more welcoming. Happy weekend to you!
Happy weekend back to you mate
I have 2 weeks off whoop!
I completely agree! And I don't think we've really started to see people leave reddit yet, that'll happen when the 3PAs stop working
Oh true! Once reddit floods with sewage from bot posts and mods can't deal, lemmy is going to flood with users!
Agreed. So much less noise.
Have to agree, I donβt really mind how many total users or active users there are at this point, thereβs enough talk to engage in proper conversations now
Yup finally seeing a lot of good conversations now. Which was really always the best part of Reddit.
I do expect that it will taper off eventually and then drop for a bit before leveling out (not being pessimistic, it's just a simple fact that much of the current growth of Lemmy, or for that matter kbin or other reddit alternatives, is due to people leaving reddit, and eventually everyone that wants to leave who is willing to consider this place will have come over, so the growth will stop or at least revert to a more "normal" pace, and not everyone will end up liking Lemmy, and so there will be some fraction of people that don't stay long once the hype over people moving from reddit has died down). However, it should still stabilize somewhere much higher than things were before the migration, so my hope is that it gets enough momentum that the number of people that remain when this incident is over is enough to sustain a functional community.
Realistic assessment but the way reddit's ceo is going ,I think we will see more exodus 1st july and again shortly after that, I do think reddits bad news train has only just left the station.
Lemmy gives me that new frontier feeling. Win 98SE times was the last time i felt it.
I'm getting that feeling too.
What part of 98SE made you feel like it was that much different from 95, outside of being slightly less buggy?
Not OP, but when they pivoted and included the web into the core of the OS. It was like, wait, what??
Man I came here to post this LOL
Neat, anyone else having problems upvoting anything? I try but it just goes right back down.
From my experience it's just not showing on your end but after a while it updates the votes
yeah, just a little buggy sometimes
Sometimes the site goes a little buggy. Sometimes i get 503 but i just wait, refresh, or i heard someone say too they have lemmy and kbin account and use the other when one is down xD I think itβs still adjusting to having so many users
Same
Haven't experienced any real bugs yet on here, but 90% of the time when a website is not working as expected for me, switching to firefox fixes it.
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Are we allowing emojis here? If so just another reason for people to flee Reddit
You need permission to use emojis? π€
Oh, you mean in the sense that βemojis = downvotesβ on Reddit. I still used them on Reddit anyway. π€·ββοΈ
BTW: you can use : shorthand for emojis, in case you didnβt know. π
I π emojis. Watch Reddit burn. πΏ Slava Ukraini πΊπ¦
In my opinion emojis are great for casual discussions and they convey a little playfulness.
For more serious topics they might be a little inappropriate or appear out of place for some people.
I π₯° emojis.
Grow π±πͺ΄ up βοΈπ
Edit: jk I misinterpreted I thought you were raging about them lmfao
I need to grow up
I don't care much about the emoji option, but the ability to add an image to a reply without having to do it manually through imgur etc is something I've wanted for years!
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Lemmy is far less mature than reddit but at least its still improving and growing
The most important is to keep up the momentum. Users don't mean anything if there's no content. We all need to keep posting stuff and keep actively disucsing stuff!
I would argue that depends entirely in which context you use the word "mature" haha.
That's what I love about it, though. The fact that it is still maturing means that we as a community have a say on how Lemmy will evolve.
To be honest, the fact that such immature software is capable of being a viable alternative to one of the biggest websites on the internet is already super impressive.
Let's see where we will head in a couple of years.
Damn right. I've been using Reddit for years, and after this shitshow I moved to Lemmy and honestly, it doesn't feel that much different. I don't make content, nor do I moderate, so I just scroll and lurk, and comment sometimes, and Lemmy has a steep, extremely short learning curve (you can call it simply a barrier to entry), but after understanding very few basic concepts, this shit feels as natural as Reddit. Besides, I'm testing the Memmy app for iOS and it's improving exponentially. I seriously feel like Lemmy can become a good alternative, for real, not for the memes.
Lemmy has a lot of obstacles that will prevent it from truly going mainstream:
The community browser is complete dog shit for discovering content on different instances, and trying to view another instance's content from your own community is just needlessly complex. Discoverability is still a lot better than Mastodon though, where you'd look at all post and see nothing but hentai reposting bots regurgitating stuff that isn't even allowed on NSFWLemmy...
Due to the nature of federation, you also run the risk of committing to an instance only for them to defederate entirely, or disassociate from content you want to see but they don't agree with. Beehaw is a very good example of this.
As there's no option (yet) to migrate to a different instance, and Lemmy is a FOSS project that cannot be monetized in the same way as a traditional social media site, what happens when instances start shutting down due to being unable to keep up with server hosting costs?
I cannot speak for the iOS option available, but Jerboa is barebones. For example, you can't even tap on a post/comment reply in your inbox to go to that comment's permalink and view the context. This is incredibly basic functionality for any social news aggregator. Even with the fediverse in general surpassing 150,000 users, I don't see Lemmy getting the same level of third-party app support as Reddit had.
These are all valid complaints, but I feel like you need to put this into perspective. This platform has blown up in the last week, change is going to come but itβs going to take some time. Iβm sure it will go faster now that it is really taking off though.
These concerns are valid.
Some are transitory however - 1, 3 and 4 all reflect the current state of Lemmy and the similar Kbin are in currently. The Reddit issues were unexpected and people have migrated en masse to Lemmy/Kbin and have found was is in many ways Alpha software. This issues will mostly be resolved with time, and that is probably accelerated now as more people means more people interested in development, and motivated by anger at Reddit. I don't think Lemmy/Kbin will replace Reddit right now, but I think a new trajectory has been set. Communities are hitting critical mass to keep growing.
Look at Mastodon, it's at 1.2m-2m active users each month; it is still small fry and niche compared to Twitter but it exploded thanks to Twitter's mess, and is growing. I think we're seeing something similar with Lemmy and Kbin, but this is just the start of a long road and an expanded community will accelerate improvement and growth.
But point 2 is fundamental to the fediverse - fragmentation due to defederating could be a concern. I get Beehaw's motivation but I think their actions will consign them to a niche part of the Fediverse, but that may be what they want. Ultimately I suspect the biggest servers will dominate a main interconnected fediverse through sheer size and notoriety - new servers will need to federate to the big players to grow. It's not necessairly a bad thing - but people may end up signed up to a "main" large interconnected "fediverse" and separately to smaller niche communities they're interested in but sitting in their own walled gardens/bubbles. It's not necessairly a bad thing though - it is just different to what people are used to with social media like Reddit. It'll be a trade off - servers and communities have complete independence and some will go for what suits them - part of a big fediverse or only federating to smaller aligned communities.
I am quite confident that the platform will go up in quality quick. Here is why I am confident:
GitHub Lemmy Activity Pulse (LemmyNet / lemmy)
A lot of these issues are temporary. Also, this is all happening very fast, it's entirely possible that some other website/service will pop up that'll be a lot better thought out.
Reddit was already well established and functional during the Exodus of Digg, so there wasn't much discussion about where to go. Today we have no solid alternative, so people are trying Lemmy, Kbin, Mastodon, Squabbles and other websites.
Digg is kinda before my time, what did they do to cause the exodus?
You can, but only in the latest version. It takes multiple taps, though.
How?
Yeah... I don't get this...
The latest version is 0.34, and even though it was released almost a week ago, it still isn't on Google Play AFAIK. Google Play has a vetting process that takes time. It's to make sure people aren't putting malware on their store. I ended up uninstalling from Google Play and installed from GitHub. It's less safe, as someone could theoretically sneak malware into the codebase, but I guess I like to live dangerously.
undefined> what happens when instances start shutting down due to being unable to keep up with server hosting costs?
Well idk about you guys but self hosting is always an option. Not easy, but an option
On 4, what's up with this? Being fixed?
4 is already fixed in the alpha of jerboa, and the functionality is there but got accidentally hidden in the current version. You have to hold-click in your inbox to see context. These kind of hiccups are normal in a very new foss browser.
Server costs are not as high as Reddit made us believe. You can probably run a 10 user instance for less than 10β¬/month.
If the instance is good donations could keep it up forever, not even expensive donations. Certainly a fraction of what reddit is asking for reddit premium.
It's one of those times where I wish I learned programming/computer science and not History and accountancy.
I studied something completely unrelated with computer science. I started with programming and then with general computer science and now I know a lot of things and I'm quite probably going to land a job in IT field next year. It's never late to learn something new.
Coding is hard though, especially when you go past the basic tutorial stuff (Hello World, if statements, for/while loops, libraries, etc.) Actual computer science and understanding all the technical and mathematical aspects of computing is orders of magnitude harder than writing some C# or Javascript code.
Last time I actually tried to make an effort to learn how to code was back in the days when /r/CarlHProgramming was still active, long before Carl Herold was arrested on heinous child sex crimes.
If the fediverse gets very big, won't your instance need a lot of bandwidth and storage to sync all the content?
It's requirements will grow, but it's still mostly text and some images. Mastodon is kind of big (not twitter big but bigger and more active than lemmy) and there are people still self hosting their instance and there's lots of donation supported instances.
I think fediverse being instance-oriented should scalate well. As no instance really needs to hold the whole thing by its own.
I'm sure there's no way to tell, but I wonder how many are duplicate accounts to span different instances.
I think the best way to judge success is to look at the overall engagement and that one is very high.
You could probably find some ways to get a few of em but i don't know.
You shouldn't really need more than one or two accounts tho. Talking from kbin :)
What would be the use case for having two accounts?
Iβve heard SOME people are using a separate account for consuming highly unchristian forms of media, DEFINITELY not me though
Hhahaha I see
Porn posts. It's now on the fedi, so people may want to keep it separate
Cowards, the lot of them!
One possibility is an instance shutting down. Many instance admins are good about giving lots of notice, but sometimes that doesn't happen.
In fact there has been at least one instance on the fediverse which the admin disappeared from the internet, and their instance just slowly degenerated until it stopped working. Were they hit bt a bus? Who knows.
Big instances might want to have some contingency plans in place. This sounds like something we should all be aware of
Using different accounts to route around and still access content at instances that defederated from your original accountβs instance.
You can still view content from instances that defederated from your instance as long as your instance didn't block them.
You can still follow defederated content as long as you follow the users/instance?
In my experience, yes. I can see BeeHaw's content event though they defederated from my home instance a couple of days ago. I've also commented on some of their posts, which is weird...
Your comments won't show for beehaw or other instances, only people on your instance can see those comments.
Interesting. Is it safe to assume that beehaw would start seeing those same comments if they refederate with sh.itjust.works?
No, only comments made after they refederate
Maybe two instances that defederated from one another
If say, someone in Beehaw wanted to interact with Lemmy.World, theyβd have to make an account on Lemmy.World or some other instance that hasnβt defederated
Lemmy is blocked by my workplace firewall, kbin isn't. But I also want to use Jerboa.
Yeah, if Iβm anything to go by, youβd need to divide these figures by at least three to get to the number of new people. Still, itβs not a bad start.
Reddit killing 3rd party apps can be a blessing in disguise.
No kidding, I definitely prefer the lemmy experience. Obviously needs some polish, it'll come. (once again guilting myself into digging into the code)
I got as far as downloading the code for the Android app. Baby steps.
I now have an ubuntu virtual machine on my laptop, next step is getting it to run the website from source. Baby steps indeed!
When one door closes another Opens lol
I'm doing my part!
I'm commenting to boost engagement!
I'm upvoting quality content
I'm just clicking on things because I honestly have no idea what is going on
Just be glad people aren't randomly replying "google en passant" to your comments anymore
AnarchyChess has been contained... mostly.
Okay margot robbie.
Google "Barbie movie".
Are you fucking kidding me?
Does engagement even matter on Lemmy? They don't really have an algorithm that sends posts based on comments, unlike YouTube.
I'm posting to celebrate pointless metrics!
"Thanks, reddit"
Thanks Obama
#thatsthejoke
c/thatsthejoke
I just joined, but I'm excited to watch Lemmy grow!
Same. Lemmy can only get better. Reddit, I'm not sure.
What's Reddit? I barely rememberddit
There ya go!
As mentioned here please consider donating to Lemmy development and (in our case) the Lemmy.world instance.
Lemmy development donations:
lemmy.world instance donations:
Currently on the $1/month patron tier for lemmy. Hope it helps the devs!
This is the way
I would like it if lemmy had near the numbers of reddit (although i dont think that will happen), but the userbase is already big and diverse enough to sustain some good communities that have an (imo) better feeling to them than reddit.
I wouldn't. People need to get away from the notion that more users = better. With more users comes trolls, bad faith actors, etc. Quality over quantity.
It depends on the goal of the platform. For spending your free time on and socializing i fully agree that smaller communities are the best. However as a forum for getting information (especially on niche subjects) more users = better more or less.
Which is a good point to remember I think. Having the community grow is good for people using lemmy as it allows smaller, more niche communities to have enough people interested in that thing to actually functionally exist, but at the end of the day it doesn't have to have the same number of users as reddit to be usable for you. Once enough people are here to be usable (which depending on what kind of communities you use, it may already be), it doesn't really much matter how much bigger lemmy gets. After all, it isn't some company where the point is growth at all costs.
I'm definitely sticking around. I agree.
PCGaming said this is the place to be, so I'm here. But why do I need to go to list > Subscribed to see the content I followed? Why isn't the stuff I want to see the default home page? I shouldn't have to go to settings and change the default to Subscriptions.
Because there's no preselected default subscriptions like with Reddit. If it defaulted to subscribed when you make an account, then the first thing you would see is nothing. By defaulting to all, it allows you new users to see all that's available, and once you find a decent amount of interesting communities and subscribe to them, then it makes sense for you to manually change your default to subscribed at your discretion.
The first thing I did after creating an account here was to go to Settings and find the setting to change that. And I mean at least that option exists and is easy to find. My guess is that the feature of suggesting "subs" after creating an account does not exist yet and just showing an empty feed is not that great.
I think the main reason for that design decision was due to the small user base in the past.
You can do this in Lemmy, default the Home Screen to Subscribed. Itβs an option for each user, but the instance admin can choose a default. Iβm not sure about Kbin.
So youβre angry that you have to click your screen 2x and waste 9 secondsβ¦. Instead youβd prefer every single new user to see no content at all?
Seems like an odd take.
Anxiously awaiting the next version release!
Cheers Lemmies
Lemurs.
Is that the official name we landed on?
Lemmings, that's what I've got in my head. π
I don't think it's been decided yet. My favourite is still Lemmings.
Yup finally seeing a lot of good conversations now. Which was really always the best part of Reddit.
In my opinion we're already more or less at the "functional" stage. I can browse the place and shitpost and stay entertained for quite a while, with new content coming in while I do it, so that if I'm so inclined I can spend a full day pissing away my time on lemmy. It's nowhere near Reddit yet, where I could pick any given topic and read almost infinitely on it, but that's a function both of time and size, and not a reasonable expectation for a brand new platform. As long as the numbers we have now are sustainable they'll become self-improving in that direction.
I, for one, count for at least 5 of these across separate instances. lol
What's the point of making multiple user accounts? Genuine question
Some instances are faster than others due to server load. Not sure how well Lemmy.world runs or what spec the server hosting the instance is, but Lemmy.ml runs like a pile of dog shite compared to the smaller ones, itβs constantly timing out, with error 500s too. I had to make another account on feddit.uk instead as it runs much faster.
Also for example if lemmynsfw was completely defederated, if you wanted nsfw content from there, you would have to make an account there to access that content.
Fret not though, over time the opensource community will step in to improve all of this.
I have 3. Signed up to beehaw first because that's what people recommended on Reddit. After a couple of days realised I'd prefer a mainstream server and went to ml. And then .world launched and with the better hardware and admin I moved again.
So it was all logical at the time but it means the total numbers across all instances are misleading. I'd say many users have at least 2 accounts.
I signed up for beehaw, they took forever to review my application, so I signed up on world. I guess I do have two
I've signed up to Lemmy.ml first, because it seemed like the main instance. My application was taking too long and I thought I messed up somewhere. So I signed up on beehaw.
Street that they defederated, I understand and respect this decision but I want to see all the instances so I created an account on Lemmy.world.
Then I discovered the solarpunk instance (slrpnk.net) and realized that this is a nice small community that I want to be part of so I joined them. Now I think I'm settled.
I made an account for memes and stuff. Then a more professional account. I'll probably make a porn account at some point, but not while the big porn instances are allowing loli and shit on their instance.
I'm an old man who doesn't care what others think, that's why my post history is everywhere and everything
i've read kbin might get merged with lemmy (or vice versa, whatever) , but cannot find the post talking about it anymore
anyone to confirm whether it's true (perhaps was I just dreaming , after all)
What do you mean? They can access the contents of each other
oh? I understood they couldn't , thanks for correcting me !
Yup I'm reading and posting this from Kbin right now! Federation is awesome!
I was wrong and spewed missinformation. Sorry
Which kbin instance?
I know BeeHaw defederated lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works.
Iβm unaware of it defederating kbin instance. I do know for a fact it wasnβt kbin.social.
Then I'm sorry I was misinformed, editing
This is not true but I've seen this posted many times. I don't even think there was talk of defederating from kbin among the admins. But I think this is a great litmus test for how people generally feel about that defederation. People simply see beehaw cutting itself off from the other large instances and assume that's the policy.
Then I'm sorry I was misinformed, editing.
As far as I know, lemmy instances can't sub to kbin magazines yet. I can't on my instance at least
im subbed to several kbin magazines form my instance
Interesting - then it's a problem with my thing's config. Thanks for the info - I'll check into it
I had that problem earlier as well earlier in the week but Iβm able to sub to kbin.social magazines now. Still figuring out how all this works though π
Is there any benefit to merging if it all just federated between them?
my aplogies, I thought they couldn't access each other's content, which , as zekiz said, isnt the case
We have to be vigilant though. Can't let what happened to Voat happen again.
What happened to voat?
Voat was actually pretty nice back in the day, smaller than Reddit but has its own niche communities, until the Pao thing happened, Voat committed to absolute free speech, and subs like FatPeopleHate and other subs banned from Reddit moved there, and then slowly it turned worse than /pol/ and the full front page was literally covered in Nazi slogans and N-word.
Then nobody wants to host such a horrid pool of toxic sludge anymore, and they shut down.
I think voat was a, and this is cliche phrasing, boil the frog situation by Reddit.
Reddit kicked all of those worst people off and they migrated to voat before tightening again and pushing a lot of good faith users off. I remember being in a wave of people trying voat but when my wave arrived, the worst elements of Reddit had beaten us to it and had critical mass.
I think the fediverse situation is somewhat different since a large wave of good faith redditors have been pushed off in the last few weeks, and found Lemmy without it having a critical mass of awful people. At the end of the month, when 3PA shut down Iβm sure there will be another wave of redditfugees and when they arrive, theyβll find this place as it is now so wonβt be immediately repelled, unlike how I was repelled from voat.
I miss the good old days with the containment subs for the retards.
I think Lemmy is an evolution of that, as now we have containment instances instead.
It will be good if they make their own instances.
Became a hotbed for trolls, open racists, actual neo nazis, etc
It's a lot more challenging to have that happen with federation, I think. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be actively vigilant of course, but there are a lot more centers they'd have to seize control of individually.
Does that include kbin.social users?
It doesn't, https://the-federation.info/platform/184
There are ~37k kbin users, so a total of about 187k!!
Iβm seeing 170,000 on kbin.social
That figure includes all known users in the federation with Lemmy. The users on kbin instances is a lot less, I'm not sure how to check that though myself.
Ahhhh ok. That makes sense. Ty
Itβs about 37k on kbin.social.
probably not, since kbin isn't Lemmy.
Considering that it wouldn't be Lemmy, I don't imagine so... but I'm wondering how/whether they count federated users
This pleases me.
Woot! Iβm excited for Lemmyβs future
Good! I'm loving the vibe here.
Wow so glad it's working !
Every time I see this chart I wonder what the huge sudden drop is earlier. Does anyone know?
instances might've shut down.
Do you know where the chart comes from? I want to follow it.
You can find it here, from the OP: https://the-federation.info/platform/73
There's a link to it in the post.
Great! Keep it on!
Fuck yes!! We will be legion, expect us u/spez lmao. Kiddings apart, great info!!!
Yup finally seeing a lot of good conversations now. Which was really always the best part of Reddit.
Gee I wonder why... ;)
Dumb question but have some people double dipped? I started on Lemmy.one and then created an instance on lemmy.world after realizing I couldnβt downvote.
In any case Iβm enjoying this more than Reddit!
Same - dot One to dot World for similar reasons.
Happy to be here!
I honestly wish I knew about this sooner. I like the idea of something being CEO-free
GG Lemmy, keep going!!
Reddit is blocked in my country so I have to open reddit using dns, because lemmy is already there, this is an opportunity to find a community forum for a replacement for reddit in my country.
This is my hope for Mastadon, and other instances as there is a need for information to continue to flow from areas of conflict/dictatorship regimes and democracies (actual information, not corporate or national propaganda).
Why the fuck is reddit blocked in your country? Where do you live if I may ask?
You think it's big now, just wait until July. Reddit's api changes are going to force people off of the site in droves. Right now it's a lot of noise and some movement, but a lot of the regular user base hasn't actually felt any effects yet. Once the changes make the site unusable for a lot of people there will be a lot more.
@RissaCrochets @ottk3
As someone who just deleted Apollo and tried to use the Reddit iOS app - this is exactly correct - site is unusable on the official app. People will flee.
Reddit app has 10-15x the downloads as apollo mate
And? You're implying a non sequitur.
95% of the people using reddit on mobile are already on official reddit app. Apollo going down isn't going to cause a massive flee, just a portion of the small userbase that is Apollo users.
You are assuming those people are still using the app.
When I first tried to use reddit on a phone, I downloaded the official app too. I just never used it after discovering it's useless.
Reddit has their numbers, obviously, but we don't.
The website now says that Lemmy is over 200,000 people, wow! This growth is amazing, I just hope the people joining are a bit more concrete though, and don't treat this place as a fad.
I have sync on my phone for now, going to be hard to delete. But, Jerboa has been great and the community here is nice. I definitely plan on staying for a long time after 13 years on reddit.
Yes same here. I lurked on Reddit long before the digg migration. And actively participated for at least 10 years. I still have the apps installed on my phone. But I literally have not opened them in days. I still have new tab or two in a browser open to specific subs. That I check infrequently. But as soon as I'm aware of counterparts on the Fediverse I am more than happy with Lemmy. My couple hours a day of scrolling on Reddit are now devoted solely to Lemmy and finding new communities as well as starting one of my own. Something which I never did on Reddit.
11 years with an account. Remember digg before that, and stumbleupon before that... I find this has been a nice change.
And the whole time slashdot has always been there for us. Actually I am kind of amazed that they are still around. But that is definitely old old old guard.
Now the number is over 1 million.
Been trying to make an account here for like a week. Kept hanging, but it finally went through this time!
Wooohoooooo!!! No one in this thread has an account older than 2 weeks.
How long has Lemmy been around for? The oldest thing I've seen so far is about two weeks old.
Glad to be part of this!
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I was here lol
This is our momentβ¦
@danieljackson @ottk3 I'm checking out https://lemmy.world/post/272282 , I'm in the market for a good #RedditReplacement
Find your instance: https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances
Do you know what is the instance that .wold blocks?
https://lemmy.world/instances shows "burgit (dot) moe"
Ah, nice, so there's where you look!
Thanks.
Lemmy know when it's 1mln
It hit a million in late June; it's over 2 million now!
Is anyone making money from this?
Dumb question but have some people double dipped? I started on Lemmy.one and then created an instance on lemmy.world after realizing I couldnβt downvote.
In any case Iβm enjoying this more than Reddit!
Nice!