They won't teach you this in Drivers Ed

The Picard Maneuver@startrek.websitemod to Lemmy Shitpost@lemmy.world – 1066 points –
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That's the clutch and brake pedals...

USA citizen having no clue about the existence of manual gear-box in vehicles, probably.

US stick driver here, equally disappointed in the picture.

I think it makes the whole meme funnier personally

Same.

But at least my car is less likely to get stolen!

As long as you don't get car jacked 🙃 saw a headline a few months ago (a year ago?) That a young man got shot and killed because a car jacker couldn't steal his car.

A little unnerving in Chicago where car jackings are relatively frequent.

They just added the caption. If the creator of this were capable of making the drawing, they would do something more with their life than memes.

You can't find an image of pushing the brake and throttle at the same time on wikihow.

I haven't driven a stick in over a decade and this meme upsets me.

I think you drastically underestimate the number of gearheads in the States. Makes sense, given we have incredibly limited public transport. Currently have 3 manuals in my driveway.

Of course, it a joke based on the fact that manual gearbox is, even to this day, the standard in Europe. I would be very surprise to meet someone with a driver license who can't drive manual. It seems in the USA manual driving is a hobby for car enthusiast. But what do I know? I have never step foot on the new continent.

Yeah well it's hard when you hear all your life if you mess up once you blow the transmission,.which is a several grand repair, nobody with a manual will ever let you practice on their car and well hey automatics are everywhere and don't have that headache.

nobody with a manual will ever let you practice on their car

I'm sorry that happened to you. IMO folks are way more precious about their manual transmissions than they need to be. I've taught several people to drive stick -- including myself, in a brand-new car I drove home from the dealer in rush-hour stop-and-go traffic -- and it's never hurt anything. (That brand-new car still had its original clutch when it was sadly totaled by a falling tree, 100k miles later.)

Same, I learned on a brand new car, on my own, and taught a couple other people with it, and it still had the original clutch when the transmission linkage broke at 187k (basically totaled at that point, just pulling out enough to get to the transmission would have cost more than the car was worth at that point... Low end Chevy's don't hold much value as it turns out)

The clutch is meant to slip, that's literally how they work. As long as you aren't riding it partially engaged for hundreds or thousands of miles, you probably won't burn it out. If they were as delicate as people treated them, they wouldn't have been the choice for racing for as long as they were after automatics hit the scene.

They may have exaggerated the risk of a money shift a tiny bit. Stalling is easy, but blowing the car up has to be hard.

I've nearly shifted into 2nd gear from 4th before, the car was NOT happy, but there were no explosions. Granted, I didn't fully let up the clutch, but still. Mistakes happen.

I shift from 4th into 2nd all the time when in city traffic before taking a turn, so I'm pretty confused why that would be an issue.

Unless you wanted to shift up and brainfarted and shifted down instead. But it's pretty hard to hammer in a gear that is way too low for your current speed. There will be a lot of physical resistance and that grinding noise before the gear snaps in.

I was going highway speeds, I was going from 4th to 5th but decided to go back into 4th (or something to that effect, it was a while ago now). The shifting itself was easy because I had the clutch in, but as soon as I started to lift off the clutch it got pissed

That's not true, a money shift is very rare.

If you were near me I would help you learn on any of my stick vehicles, it's pretty easy one you have some practice.

Nah, you just can't without being a complete psychopath I guess force in a too wrong gear, the sync won't be able to spin so fast that you can actually put in a ridiculous gear.

And reverse is usually not synced so even harder.

Nah, they just don't want you to drive their car. Chance of a money shift is extremely low, and it doesn't usually happen while learning. Money shifts really happen when you are trying to drive too fast, and you downshift more than 2 gears quickly. Most learners have trouble keeping the RPMs up high enough to money shift. I was perpetually shifting at 1.3k when learning and you can pretty much go from 6 to 2 without money shifting at those low revs.

Am US citizen, only drive manual transmissions. Anyone here who likes cars can drive a manual transmission, anyone who doesn't like cars doesn't give a shit about a manual transmission and just wants to get where they're going.

We invented cars, we're allowed to decide how they evolve.

American too. I don't really like cars, but if I have to drive one, I would prefer one with a manual transmission. Unfortunately, my current car doesn't have one because they don't put them in affordable cars anymore.

Because they're objectively worse in all measures other than fun

Maybe, but when I had a manual Toyota Corolla in the 90s, I felt like I was able to control the car so much better than any of the automatics I've had since.

What does "control" mean to you?

Because they're objectively worse in all measures other than fun control.

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The fools, this actually reboots the car into safe mode!

Joke appart, this is the proper way to do an emergency braking.

And if you have an acceleration-activated dash-cam this could cause it to trigger, which is as near to a screenshot as you're getting!

Wow, this post isn't even a meme anymore at this point !

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That's the clutch and break you fucking idiot.

It's a brake, you fucking idiot

I needa take a brake from the internet, you fucking idiots

I need to fuck an idiot, you brakes

I'm an idiot you fucking breaks

The image shows the clutch and brake being pressed though...

Probably a gen-z trying to make jokes about cars.

Turn the car off, shift to 4th gear, press break, break and windshield wiper, then turn it back on to enter Developer Mode

You joke but my old FJ Cruiser requires you to turn the key to accessory, turn it off, turn the key back to accessory, open and close the door three times, turn the key back off, turn the key to accessory while holding the odometer reset button for 5 seconds and then it will enter pairing mode for the remote fob.

It made me feel the same joy as pressing the option on my Android phone 5 times to enter development mode back in the mid 2010s but it gets old quick.

And for this next trick, we will dance the macarena while reciting the alphabet backwards and jumping on one foot!

That sounds like the automotive hokey-pokey I had to do with my 06 corolla for the key fob.

08 Toyota FJ so we likely had the same sequence ✊

We need to test a vehicle on a dynamometer and to get the transmission into dyno mode it was something like that, press brake 3 times, press the button on the shift selector twice, move to neutral then reverse 3 times, etc, it was a super long combo. It was so satisfying to see the CAN message that we entered test mode

They could've stopped at step 3 but they gave you 8 more steps to feel like a true hacker.

On for three seconds. Off for five seconds. On for three seconds. (rinse repeat)

I have a motorcycle that uses a keyfob, there's a sequence of events using the stop-run switch and the turn signals so you can enter a code and get the bike to start.

What motorcycle is that?

Harley-Davidson Nightster.

The fob is actually my only complaint about the bike. It's nice that it's ready to start when you walk up to it, but it still has a key to unlock the steering. The fob is just uneccesary, could have included the immobilier in the key like car companies have been doing since the 1990's.

I was at a HD dealership recently trying to find out why so many people like Harleys. I test rode a Sportster 48, and then the salesperson tried to direct me to a Nightster. I think I sat on it but I declined to ride it because I didn't want to be riding a 93hp bike after just a month of experience riding a slow 250. Definitely want to try one out sometime next year though.

The Nightster is leaps and bounds above the 48. I cam certainly understand not wanting to jump from a 250 to a 975! One thing that helps me there is the different riding modes, it feels like a 250 when it's in rain mode.

The Sportster 48 is technically a 1200. One that makes less power than a 650, but still a 1200.

If I test ride I'll definitely try out all the modes.

If you press the gas pedal long enough, you see a rewind of your life

But if you press the brake too hard, it'll break...... Sorry for being a disappointment :(

On a Mac it's way more intuitive than this. You just ... hold on, I have to look it up again.

Shift+CMD+3 is not that hard to remember

And what does that do exactly? Take a snapshot of the whole screen or just a selected portion? And does it copy to the clipboard or create a file? And where is the file? That shit actually is hard to remember, especially if you don't do it every day. And it is in no sense of the word "intuitive".

I agree that the shortcut is kind of obscure, but the usability seems fine for me. When you do the key combination your cursor turns into a cross, which by convention is used when cropping images. Once you crop the portion of the screen it creates the file in the desktop. I don't think it's that complicated. If you want more control you can always open the screenshot app where you can fiddle with the settings and all.

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My dad used to yell at me for trying to drive like this when I was a teenager!

Somehow my brain decided that if I needed to drive slower then I should just add some brakes instead of just letting off the gas...

That lasted about a week lol

I've always heard that this is how a lot of the "wrong pedal" accidents go. Two foot drivers get panicked in an accident and slam on both the gas and the brakes at the same time. I feel like the brake should be able to override the gas though. But I've never tried it and am not about to lol.

I feel like the brake should be able to override the gas though.

"Override" in the sense of pushing the brake pedal cancelling the accelerator input signal? No.

"Overpower" in the sense of the brakes being able to apply more force to stop the wheels from turning than the engine at full throttle is able to apply to keep them turning? Yes.

Actually, due to the 2009 incidents with Toyota accelerator pedals getting stuck, all modern (~2012+) cars cut the accelerator signal if the brakes are being pressed as a safety precaution (this is called brake-throttle override).

That's true; Toyota needed the appearance of doing something to "fix" the "problem." I'd argue that the feature was never actually necessary, though.

I also wouldn't be surprised if, as those 2012+ vehicles age, the extra complexity ends up causing more problems (e.g. from failing switches cutting the accelerator signal when they shouldn't) than it ever prevented.

Regardless of your issue with my terminology, it just seems like a safety issue if the brakes can't overpower the acceleratkr. What if the accelerator got stuck?

Sorry, my tone was unintended: the part I meant to emphasize is that your brakes should be powerful enough to overpower the engine, even if it is stuck at full throttle. If they can't, something is wrong with your brakes.

Ah you're good. For whatever reason my weird brain was taking it to imply that the brakes may not necessarily be able to do that and was like wtf that seems dangerous.

In most cars, the accelerator is easier to press down fully than the brake pedal. Apply the same force required to floor it to the brake pedal (or even double) and the car will go.

You're not incorrect, but that's the wrong comparison to make. If the car is accelerating out of control and you're trying to stop it, you're not going to press the brake as hard as you would the accelerator; you're going to press the brake as hard as you can (which, unless you're old and frail, is a lot harder).

All cars from 2012 and newer actually have a brake-throttle override that cuts the accelerator signal if the brakes are being pressed due to the 2009 incidents with Toyota cars that had their accelerator pedals get stuck in floor mats.

I'm actually terrified of doing this in an automatic because I've been driving a manual so long. Nobody is making manuals anymore so I assume my next car will be an automatic and I'm going to need a strap for my left foot so I can't accidentally do this lol.

Last time I drove an automatic I put it in reverse when I got to a stop sign because my hand just went for it and pushed the same amount I would in my car to get to neutral. That was the day that I learned both that the button on automatic shifters means nothing, and that I must sit on my right hand when driving one.

That muscle memory is a hell of a thing

When I've driven an auto rental a few times the most I accidentally do is try to put my left foot through the floor when going for the clutch that doesn't exist. The brake is far enough to the right your engrained habits shouldn't cause you to reach for it with you left.

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Nah, just tell him you're trying to keep the turbo spooled up.

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why do people insist on talking relatively recent content and plagiarizing it mere days later? karma is even less meaningful here. what is the point?

weird way to say "reposting"

I guess a repost to me is a share of the same content when it's posted. what I'm seeing is a remake of the same thing a week or 2 later. it's just so damn boring and pointless.

This is an emergency stop

Shouldn't you pretty much always do this when coming to a stop in a manual??

Yes, that's how I learned it in driving school as well. You can decelerate using the brake only, but once your speed drops below ~25 kmh / ~15 mph you should use the clutch simultaneously to not kill the engine. And it's not harmful to use the clutch already on higher speeds since all it does is disconnect the gears - though leaving it engaged while you are not using gas means that the load on the gearbox helps to decelerate a bit faster.

And if you take your shifter and go up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, brake, gas, you'll add 30 months back onto your warranty!

Idk if I'm being elitist or flexing the fact that I'm poor but as a stick shift driver in the state of Vermont I often did this in winter to get the heat going granted I always had the clutch down as well

I think you're flexing the fact that you have three legs tbh.

Life pro tip, you don't have to push the clutch if you're in neutral.

Left toe on clutch, right heel on brake, right toe on gas. Good for revving the car at the traffic light if the engine's cold or if you're a jackass.

I had an old car whose engine would die if it didn't get gas, so you would always be giving it a bit of gas at all times. When you came to a stop, you had to push slightly down on the gas and all the way down on the brake, otherwise the engine would shut off.

Also would allow you to take the key out of the ignition while the car was running and it would keep running so you could unlock house doors with your keys. My parents actually sent it into the shop to "fix" that. I still don't know why they spent money to get rid of a feature. Were they afraid I would leave it on without the keys? The engine would just die without someone to push down on the gas petal.

I had a car that needed gas, and was a stick shift. I called the technique three footing. Basically I jammed my heel on the brake and raked my toes on the gas pedal to keep the engine running at a light or stop sign.

The infotainment system in my friend's truck would periodically get wonky and he would have to pull over, turn the truck off, wait a minute, then turn it back on.

We always joked that he had to do a Ctrl-Alt-Brake Pedal.

Why do it want to do this?

you can share your screenshot with the mechanic before you go in for repairs

For the record, in 99% of driving scenarios, you probably don't want to press the brake and gas at the same time. For the 1%, you can do something called brake boosting. This is where on turbo cars, you brake to maintain a slower speed, at the same time you press the gas to spool up the turbo, which results in you having little to no turbo lag while racing.

You would also do this momentarily (with automatic) when starting from a stop on a steep upward incline, like certain San Francisco street intersections. Get the gas going slightly while holding the brake, then ease off to move forward without rolling back. Because the guy behind you is always too close for comfort.

Similar technique would be used for manuals as well. You'd heal-toe on a hill so you don't roll back, same with downshifting and slowing down quickly to make a turn.

In an automatic car. It's a good way to do a burn out provided the engine has enough torque and the breaking is biased to the front.

and the breaking is biased to the front.

What does that mean, the front falls off?

Nope, jus that the front breaks have more breaking force than the rear. The power from the engine will overwhelm the rear breaks, so for a standing burnout you need the strong front breaks to not get overwhelmed.

Now I kinda wish there's some equivalent graphic of someone doing heel-toe so you'd see all 3 pedals being mashed lol.