Alex Jones is profiting from his new game on Steam — while refusing to pay the Sandy Hook families he defamed
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Following his trial for defamation of the families of the children and school staff killed in the Sandy Hook massacre, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones is using Valve Corp.’s Steam, the world’s largest digital distribution platform for PC games, to sell an Infowars-themed video game. Jones claims to have earned hundreds of thousands in revenue from the video game, yet he has refused to pay the Sandy Hook families. Alex Jones: NWO Wars also mirrors and cartoonishly repackages the conspiracy theorist’s regularly violent, hateful rhetoric despite the platform’s policies against hate speech.
I mean, why aren't his assets seized and bank accounts frozen at this point?
Or is it only the poor that have to pay their fines?
The court is trying. He’s just playing a lot of games. Lots of the money is held by his parents or hidden in different shell companies. The court established that he and InfoWars are basically the same thing as far as the money is concerned, so he’s been trying to start new shows and businesses to further complicate things.
Court orders don’t automatically happen or always get enforced. Going through a divorce right now - lawyer told me that even if I do get an order that some of the shared debts are paid, he can just not. I’d have to go back to court and still get dinged on my credit.
If you're poor though they just put you in jail while they figure that stuff out. If they figure it out.
These are civil cases.
That's honestly just worse if true. How is this not criminal? He doesn't go to jail unless the state is what he's ripped off? You know, the one by the people for the people?
The 1st Amendment presents a very high bar for criminal prosecution of speech.
A bar over which he took off into fucking orbit! It's 100% because of rich, famous, right wing white guy privilege that he isn't in prison right now.
On the contrary, the more unpopular the speech, the higher the bar.
There's unpopular and then there's "no way someone without his immense privilege could ever get away with saying the exact same things without being tried in criminal court."
This is without a doubt the latter.
There isn't even a criminal law to charge them with.
How about harassment? Inciting violence? Reckless endangerment?
His disgusting crusade against the parents were undoubtedly all of those things and more.
They will not. This is a civil case its not like he owes the IRS. Man you said that so confidently and its got like 20 upvotes while being so clearly and easily serachable to be proved completely false. Lol this thread is full of morons
It may not apply to this case, but it certainly does apply in a wide way.
There is also this.
these days, if you say you are English they will lock you up in jail.
Of all the things that never happened, this didn't happen the most.
What, where?
There are lots of ways to hide money and protect your assets, and many of them perfectly legal.
Lot of it stems from laws made to protect regular people in debt (bankruptcy laws, getting rid of debtors prison, etc) but people with money use them too
Imo it's a worthwhile price. Otherwise credit cards would just take money straight from your wages if they could.
Because America is entirely broken.
Completely empty comment just shitting on America, overwhelmingly upvoted. Lol what a fucking joke this place can be.
You’re free to leave. Unlike what America is becoming… you’ve got that freedom here.
Bye.
You're right, I can leave. Although I have that freedom in America too, so I'm not sure why you think that statement made any sense.
And just like with America I can stay and try to make it better. But I just regularly get reminded how low the common denominator is here. Keep defending it. Really proving what an intellectual independent thinker you are.
Yawn.
Whatever you say; Captain America. Should you be ironing your cape in preparation for the next big battle with…. everyone that thinks differently than you?
I call out an empty comment and you interpret that as attacking anyone who thinks differently than me? Brilliant. Lol
Maybe you should try to stop being so angry moving forward. I would like that for you.
You're projecting.
ROFL… k.
It's one of the shittier things about Lemmy.
Explaining the many reasons why America is broken could take quite a while. Some sentiments are best summed up in a few words.
The post isn't about America, they could have easily explained why this particular system is broken. But, hey, empty shitting on America is simple and sure to get some upvotes. Definitely what we should all be aiming for.
You've somehow missed that Alex Jones is a US citizen, and part of the reason he can earn money from this game is because the US is so broken.
None of that is hard to understand.
Lol I love how I missed something that wasn't even said. Why not just admit you really don't know what's wrong? Or that, for all you know this could be progressing normally and reasonably?
He's jumping through all the hoops rich folks use to hide their money, which means the courts have to jump through the hoops to get at it, and the court system is slow by comparison.
Sad when you realized who wrote the rules. Fairness is a dream.
Because in the US we have laws. Thankfully so or armchair lawyer loons like you would be running a muck. It doesn't really matter if he's a shitbag, but you can't just fuck with people because you don't like them.
It doesn't matter if I like him or not.
Court has ruled he needs to pay the fine, but instead of paying he is spending more money and doing ridiculous stuff like making this game. He is going against his court order. That shouldn't be allowed. Any less wealthy person would have had their assets seized at this point.
Yes the US has laws, but he is breaking them.
It doesn't really matter though if he has a pending court fine and he chooses to spend his money on something else. If he fails to pay the fine, there are repercussions. But this simply isn't grounds for freezing someone's bank accounts.
It's not illegal to buy something while you have court fines due. It's stupid maybe, but not illegal.
He makes his living by fucking with people he doesn't like and he certainly got off easy compared to the damage he's caused.
k there captain butthurt
Amok*
Found AJs account
Valve allows this?
Not sure this is a valve problem. The courts are simply going to have to seize his assets.
This is an absolutely a valve problem.
I mean, it’s just a game. The shitty part isn’t on Steam’s side; It’s on Alex hiding funds and refusing to pay for the lawsuits he lost.
Valve will allow anything if they can profit from it.
Valve is a soulless corporation that only cares about money. Why wouldn't they?
Yeah true
Valve allows a lot of games I’d question like the Kyle riddenhouse game or whatever that loser is that went across state borders to shoot people.
i just don't see how hard it could be to assassinate alex jones. pretty sure 3 or 4 intelligent people could coordinate the whole thing.
It’s more complicated than that. Probably best he dies of normal causes so no insane conspiracy’s pop up. Even then that’s too good for him.
oh no. let his idiot followers think it was a conspiracy. the more riled up they get, the more likely they'll do something stupid that ends with them in prison or dead. no, let's stir the pot.
I don’t think my sanity can tolerate more insane shit. Living in the US sucks.
i think the next time they grab up torches and pitchforks, the military will intervene. that's probably our best hope since most of the good citizens of the left are cowards. the sooner we get it over with, the sooner this country can go forward.
3 or 4? 1 person is with a $300 Walmart hunting rifle could pull it t off.
People don’t realize how much one dedicated person and a decent rifle can do, especially when no one is expecting it and the assassin doesn’t care about their future or anything but their objective
Hell do it dc sniper style, park a car and modify the trunk.
No one would see anything but an empty car parked down the block from his house or office.
Why not? It’s not like the kids are going to boycott them. Boycotts are only for easy to refuse things. Or things that sound good in a instagram post.
Not for actual thinks they like and can’t live without.
That's how boycotts have always worked. Boycotts have only been successful when people already didn't like the thing they were boycotting.
I looovvveee tollhouse cookies, crunch bars, KitKats and stouffer’s French bread pizzas but I still don’t buy them, even though they are like the only people to make a wide range of frozen dinners, and I am not even a little bit salty about it, definitely, not at all…
So yeah, some people do stick to their morals over creature comforts.
Even when it really sucks.
I did just remember Schwann’s is a thing though, so maybe nestle is good for something at least.
And you're just one person. Clearly, your boycott is ineffective against Nestlé. Nestlé seems to be doing fine.
ROFL…. So boycotts are only for people who lack the balls to stand up against the things they like?
Yes and no. They're obviously more universal, but historically, they only actually work against things people already don't like.
True… god I hate people so much.
@politics @GilgameshCatBeard Hate is a pretty strong world
You’re stalking me now? I’ve reported all of your spam comments- including the ones you deleted.
Edit: Nvm I understand now!
Valve allowing that dingus to sell a game while refusing to pay his victims families?
Sounds like a good reason to boycott to me.
But no one will.
Oh, I understand now! Yes, that would be an excellent reason for a boycott, but it never works because people never seem to be willing to sacrifice even the smallest amount of convenience for the greater good. I'd be in, and a lot of others probably would be too, but how does one even organize something like that? I think that's another part of the problem. For a boycott to work, it has to be well planned and organized.
Exactly my thoughts. Well said. Though, under normal circumstances, people would be absolutely outraged by this and the shockwave would be spreading across all platforms to boycott immediately-
but mUh gAmEz?!
So…. It won’t happen.
I boycott Nestlé, and I have ran into someone in the world who does the same.
So in my little town if there is a chance that the two of us ran into each other at the same Walmart, right as I was explaining to my kid why we couldn’t buy that type of bottled water, I think that there are a bunch of us boycotting nestle while unorganized.
Overtime cents add up to dollars, even if we can’t bring them down, we can still help them not grow as quickly.
To the best of my knowledge Valve allows basically everything that's not outright illegal. They aren't nearly as much of a "good" corporation as they're often framed as. They'll happily provide a platform for and take their 30% from anyone, including racists, misogynists, homophobes, etc.
Or maybe they don't see it's their place to gatekeep the store based on their own morals. If you start - where do you draw the line? Some examples like such games may be obvious, but there will be a lot more that are less so.
If people disagree with the message - nobody forces them to buy it after all and you can block any game from even showing up for you in the store, in my opinion it's plenty enough from the valve's part. I'd rather be the judge myself as to what I want and what I don't want to see and play, rather than any corporation.
I find the "where do you stop" argument to be riddled with holes. Laws are essentially written to explicitly outline boundries and moderation policies are basically just internal laws. Like Canadian law has very specific laws regarding what constitutes hate speech, here is what that looks like.
First you outline protected grounds. In Canada this is race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, marital status, family status, genetic characteristics, disability and conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted. (note: pardons are only available via democratic votes or through appeals in Canada)
There's a stage where you determine what context stuff is in. Like whether it is being performed publicly or privately but marketing a video game is definitely publicly so in tgis context we can skip to it's last part where you explicitly define hate speech. Hate speech is rhetoric that :
Describes group members as animals, subhuman or genetically inferior
Suggests group members are behind a conspiracy to gain control by plotting to destroy western civilization
Denying, minimizing or celebrating past persecution or tragedies that happened to group members
Labelling group members as child abusers, pedophiles or criminals who prey on children Blaming group members for problems like crime and disease
Calling group members liars, cheats, criminals or any other term meant to provoke a strong reaction including usage of known slurs in the context of intended harm to group members.
These rules likely wouldn't touch some hateful rhetoric that sneaks through under the wire disguised in very abstracted metaphor but it creates a pretty distinct pass fail bar that would catch explicit hate speech on their platform.
By those rules we can’t even criticize Hamas or Houthis
Yes you can.
Those groups are not fully in religious in nature but represent in part a political movement with a history of violence. As long as the ire is not placed on the entirety of the faith, a particular sect that is enacting it's ideology based on violence is not a criticism based from the religion but by the actions of the group as a political and military force. Still not cool to infer they are genetically inferior or sub human or even that they are all pedophiles or something but the fact that they have been actually commiting specific crimes as an organized group means that they are free game to be critiqued for their crimes.
You can also actively critique the writings and dogma of a religion itself but the hate speech portion doesn't kick in until imply that the people who follow it are mentally ill, inferior, predisposed to crime or all going to enact all the practices listed in their holy texts that represent a modern illegal practice etc. etc. etc.
There is a distinction between nationality and government/ politics as well. You can absolutely exercise free critique of someone as long as it is not based on the criteria of their national origin. As long as you stick to talking about the facts of what specific individuals or political groups have actually been accredited as doing you are in the clear.
The problem with that is that providing a platform and a revenue stream is providing support. Whatever the intent is, that is the result. The issue isn't what I see on the Steam store, it's providing a platform at all.
And yes, obviously there's the question of where to draw the line. But not drawing one at all means providing support for the Alex Joneses of the world. There's no way around that. And I don't think that that's a worthwhile trade.
Unless it pisses off the Chinese government, like the game Devotion that was released from a Taiwanese developer. But I don't think Steam has a high ground so much as it has good PR while not being extremely greedy. In contrast, GOG also removed it, which sort of discredited any high ground they had.
This is too bad, but yes. They are like any other large corporation, I suppose -- motivated primarily by greed.
I'll take this opportunity to plug a tiny podcast that I stumbled onto called "Some Dare Call it Conspiracy". It's hosted by two English guys that were hard-core conspiracy theorists for 15 years.
They now discuss, debunk and interview people around the conspiracy life. It's really fascinating to learn about Pizzagate, Chemtrails, Hunter Biden's Laptop and Jeffery Epstein from very knowledgeable people but in an environment of debunking.
Their latest episode is an interview with Rob Jacobson, a former staffer for Alex Jones that worked for him for 12 years. Jacobson ended up testifying against Jones in the Sandy Hook trial. The episode is on their Patreon at the moment but will roll out to the general public in a few days. Fascinating stuff and Jones is every bit as shady as one expects.
I'm a huge Knowledge Fight fan. And your recommendation sounds right up my alley.
KF is a podcast done "the dollop style" with the broadcasts of Alex Jones, both modern and years old episodes. Dan Freissen has listened to 1000s of hours infowars, has read None Dare Call It a Conspiracy (which is why the recommendation perked my ears), has read Protocols of the Elders of Zion, "you name it".
He shows how AJ's Globalizist conspiracy is just a reskinning of old antisemitic writings.
Dan was flown to Texas to help the lawyers of the Sandy Hook defamation trial. I can't say enough about how much I respect him.
Btw, by "the dollop style", I mean comedian Dan Friessen tells his findings to comedian Jordan Holmes who is naïve on the topic.
Edit: Knowledge Fight has zero ads. Never has. No paywalls. They have no interest in sensationalizing. It feels very honest.
I'll link the episode most inline with this article. #602 with Sandy Hook lead counsel Mark Bankston.
It seems like you folks like Behind the Bastards. They've been guests a few times. Here's one Part One: How The Rich Ate Christianity
Edit: I wanted to clarify the relevance of #602. That came out in 2021, right after the default judgement was issued in Texas. I believe the lawyers never gave interviews until that ruling. I listened back. It's a neat little time capsule. Just skip ahead until you hear Mark Bankston speak if it's your first taste.
I'm a policy wonk!
This, Q Anon Anonymous and Behind the Bastards were my favorite podcasts for a while.
QAA is absolutely brilliant reporting. Liv Agar's ep on superfascism was so great that I had to listen to it three times to make sure I absorbed everything. The interview with Marcus Gilroy-Ware, in which the author makes the case that we live in a fake democracy, was similarly mind-expanding. I tried to listen to Liv's personal podcast, but she's too smart for me. It required more active-listening that I want when enjoying a podcast rather than being relaxing. Big brained af.
Sadly I haven't listened in around 4 years now, I should get back into it. I was relatively early though as I remember talking to friends/family about this crazy thing called q Anon before there was any news coverage.
I'm getting info-dumped by a pizzagater elsewhere in this thread in case you want to join the fun. I bet you're better equipped.
Oh, haven't heard of it. I'll check it out. The Some Dare guys are pretty informal and raw, but they seem like guys you'd want to have a pint with if you met them in the UK. One if them is a rapper and the other is a death metal guy but they're both pretty smart.
They talk about that actually. About how they think to get really deep into conspiracy theories it helps to be a creative type because you kind of have to be to get so far up everything's butt and see such tenuous connections everywhere.
I'm very excited. Thank you. KF plus British accents sounds so fucking good to me.
Can you link directly to the pizzagate one. I've never heard a good debunk beyond "there is no basement so nothing is true".
The short answer is no. I can't think of when tried a pizzagate debunking. (They are going on 900 episodes.) I do distinctly remember an early episode when they analyze an undercover Periscope video inside Comet Ping Pong.
For a hopefully longer, but slower, answer, I made a thread asking the small community on lemmy.world.
I don't believe Pizzagate was ever bunked, or debunked. The problem is that there are so many claims made that a rigorous debunk is difficult and time consuming.
The best attempt was NY Times that covered some details but cherry picked the claims it could debunk and completely ignored others.
Rolling Stones made a feeble effort spending most of the article on how the story spread, not it's veracity.
In the body of the thread a posted on c/knowledgefight, I bring up that I didn't care about pizzagate because there really no damages. No victims coming forward. No suspicious activity. Nothing.
The only thing interesting about pizzagate is how strongly people can hold on to beliefs with zero backing. I'm sure 99% of posts about pizzagate are LARPing really. (I think the same of Flat Earth. At least, way back when.) But we know how seriously some people belief it.
In fact, I'd go as far as to say, the fact there is no evidence backing it up is precisely why this stuff is so dangerous. If some one is mentally unsteady enough to accept any reason to hate their enemies, they are probably pretty dangerous to be around already. Now use a massive media operation so that person need no other source of news. He (sorry to be sexist, but I'm going to stick with "he" for the easily influenced viewer's pronoun) knows he's right. He hears nothing but that he is right. However, out in the dangerous part of the world, no one cares about this. It's so fucking easy to dismiss this stuff. Why would anyone believe it?
This feels like persecution, gaslighting, and like "they" are all in on it. That's fucking powder-keg as we saw in this matter.
I'll take a listen to the podcast, but I think you are right in that it's only tangentially relevant. Although it's existence shows the topic won't die easily.
Such a bad argument. Are you expecting an abused kid to file a police report? Look at Epstein's Virginia Giuffre who is now 40! At least the guardian's of the kids in the Instagram photos should have been questioned.
There was enough to send 4chan and reddit into a frenzy. I think you mean that there was no definitive proof.
I thought the most interesting thing was how hard the pushback was. Pizza owners on the news, 10 min features on Colbert, NYT and Rolling Stone articles, banning of subreddits and censoring of search results. Try to find the steemit article I linked above. There was a well organised PR campaign against "nothing".
I suspect some of the conclusions being drawn from highly circumstantial evidence were too close to the truth for some influential people's comfort.
Initially all politicians were suspected (e.g. Hastert is republican). It turned into a right wing topic after qanon stoked the fires.
True. On the other hand, vigilantism occurs when the police say they've investigated but actually haven't. (Sorry impossible to back this statement in 2024. If you doubt me, find some official DC police reports unrelated to the gunman attack)
It happened in Belgium, UK, France, Portugal etc. People there cared. Why not also in the US?
Podesta and Alefantis have certainly been persecuted by the Internet. And probably still are being 8 years later. Their no comment policy certainly backfired.
Omg, you're one of them! Lol. Take me to your magic kingdom.
One of who?
Pizzagater.
You misunderstand.
My position is not that pizzagate is true.
It's that people claiming it is certainly false are misinformed and illogical.
Oh, you mean you're a dumbass. Noted.
Just wanted to drop a rec for Oh No, Ross and Carrie! It's a long-running podcast where the hosts go undercover to investigate all sorts of fringe theories, cults, alternative medicines, etc. They're very professional; highly recommend it.
I love that show. Although I'm admittedly a lapsed fan, I was listening to them on my walks to grad school in 2013 or so.
Incidentally, I love looking for Ross Blocher's name in Pixar credits.
So digging way back in the memory machine, I can even remember hearing Carrie on the inKredulous podcast #014 from 2012. I think that might be when I started listening to her and Ross's show.
That show was from what I consider the glorious lo-fi days of podcasting. I'm not even going to listen back to it to see if it holds up before posting.
That is a blast from the past! I actually didn't start listening to ONRAC regularly until pretty recently—although it feels like longer, since I've been hearing their promos on other Maxfun shows for years. Circa late 2016-2020, I had a pretty strict embargo on any entertainment that made me dwell on how god-awful things were–or just seemed like it might—so it took me a good long while to get around to listening.
Thanks for the recommendation! I'm a huge Behind the Bastards fan, anything in that vein is super fascinating to me.
I love that podcast. I’ve been listening to one that a trucker recommended to me recently. It’s full of inside jokes so it takes a minute to be all in, but it’s really fun. It’s called Timesuck with Dan Cummins. Not every episode is perfect and it’s a bit long, but I love it.
How do you debunk Epstein? He was convicted
Did OP say anything about Epstein's crimes? No. He may be referring to the fact that people think that he didn't kill himself (I don't have a specific opinion on the matter.)
Edit: I just looked up the episode's description: "Welcome to part one of episode 7!! The big question we're asking today.. Did Jeffrey Epstein kill himself?? Everyone has an opinion on this, what's yours?"
Probably meaning the "Epstein Didn't Kill Himself" theory.
Ugh, I was so excited for this ... And at about 20 minutes into the first chemtrail episode they say contrails are the exhaust fumes coming out of engines :facepalm:
That doesnt square with the fact that these guys were hard-core conspiracy theorists? 😂😂
Haha good point, at least they are trying 😏
Look, people need something to play after they've finished Hogwarts Legacy.
What's up with Hogwarts legacy? It's one of the most progressive minded games I've ever played, so much so that J.K.Rowling herself tried to taint it by saying money that went to that game supported her views instead of the views in the game. Even though she doesn't get any residuals from sales. She tried to tank sales to get back at them for making an open minded game instead of one that aligns with her views.
Lots of TERFs and anti-LGBTQ+ knuckledraggers made it a point to “play wizard game to own the libs” after many people decided not to play it on grounds that, regardless of whether or not it directly supported JK Rowling, it certainly indirectly supports her by spotlighting Harry Potter.
Also, as you said, JK Rowling tried to fuck with it because she’s a pissed off TERF, and some people just want to distance themselves from that whole mess.
In other words, Hogwash Legacy became a virtue signal for the fragile snowflakes on the right to stand cucked in solidarity with their astroterf queen.
Right... But how is that the games fault if it's a good game with a very progressive message? If anything you would want people on the right to be tricked into playing a game that supports what they fear.
That is such an incredibly low bar. What passes as progressive values in AAA games is just a shoehorned and saccharine checklist progressiveness. I can almost understand why the chuds get annoyed because playing some games can be like bad corporate DEI training.
Right wing ideology meanwhile is baked into gameplay. It doesn't matter much if the themes are anti-racist so long as every problem can be solved with the right gun. It doesn't matter if you're a socialist state in a strategy game who's economy is straight out of the Chicago school.
A couple games get it right. "This War of Mine" shows you what's happening in the out of bounds areas of Call of Duty. "Darkest Dungeon" is a microscope on the exploitation of capitalism. But good luck finding something like this in the AAA space.
Welp, so much for me trying to cite Wolfenstein 3D as a progressive-minded AAA game.
Guns are only for the right. Clutch my pearls and call me a swine if any leftist movement ever used violence, let alone gasp guns to accomplish their goal!
Leftist here with a gun, but I do not believe in using violence unless someone is using violence against me or mine directly. I wouldn’t dream of using a gun to accomplish any goal other than eating or recreational shooting. I believe that we’re intelligent enough to accomplish political and social goals without violence. Violence is a lazy way to do that and just creates more violence down the road. That’s just, like, my opinion though.
No matter what side you're on, this is a quality joke.
And unfortunately, that Stormfront Doom mod isn't on Steam afaik.
Fun fact the game can be beaten in 45 minutes and steam refund policy allows returns on games played 2 hours or less
If you read the reviews for it, you can 100% beat the game in about 25-35 minutes and return it for a full refund. I was tempted to do that but I didn't want to enticed anyone else to buy it who may not play such a game on the devs.
But then you could also review bomb it right?
I think reviews from users who refunded aren't counted in the overall score.
They really should be.. If you're refunding because a game is shit then it makes sense to review it as such to warn others
Too bad- if a game sucks and you return it, you should be score to thumbs down and write a review of why.
You can do anything if you believe in yourself.
Lock him up (for life, 0 chance of getting out), Access his bank accounts, pay out the damn families already, forget about him and let him rot in there.
Defamation is a civil matter, so there's no chance of this. There's really only one case in the US where someone can be locked up for failing to pay what they owe from a civil court decision, and that's child support.
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Ooooo TALKING = LIFE SENTENCE . Maybe you should talk a therapist and let the anger out peacefully. Don't involve your emotions. Surely a rational person cannot think that is a reasonable punishment.
Depends on what they're talking about.
e.g. "Let's plan a murder" vs. "Let's plan dinner"
Do you like Alex Jones?
(Most sane supporter of him)
Do you think he did the shooting himself?
.
Anyone know if it would it be worth reporting this as Defamatory on Steam? There are options for Legal Violation, Harmful, Fraud, Defamatory...without having played it it's hard to throw it in any of those specific categories, because they mostly have to do with the software itself, though Defamation might work since I'd be surprised if the content doesn't contain defamatory statements (even if they're wrapped in attempted irony for legal wiggle room).
I flagged it as harmful because it isn't directly related to the defamation case. But I'm sure either gets your point across, and if Valve gets enough complaints maybe they'll actually realize they don't need a man criminally liable for misusing media, to benefit spreading media on their platform.
I flagged it as Child Exploitation for the simple fact one of the screenshots says Epstein Island...
Dont forget to report Google too they have the gall to host this on their servers!1!1 man I bet if any realtor tries to list it for sale we can get them too!! We should never see anything about it existing ever again so people forget about it! /S if it isnt painfully obvious.
https://www.google.com/search?q=epstein+island&sca_esv=f9536568f210c1d3&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACQVn0-aA8RhIzXcA050geQDDBsEsCV0CQ:1705935097775&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjk3Yy8n_GDAxXYmbAFHVn4C74Q_AUIBigB&biw=226&bih=489#imgrc=AiYobCbnzJPBPM
Shit, better report me too! I shared a picture of Epstein Island from google search!!
I'd report you just for not removing everything after the ? in your dumb link
Please do explain how showing a picture of Epstein Island is child exploitation. I would love to have that make sense. If there was a daycare that hurt children and I had a picture of the outside of the daycare how in the fuck is that Child exploitation? Its a game about conspiracy theories and political events. That dude who ran that island mysteriously died with no cameras on him and some new guards that were asleep. A lot of people know he did not kill himself so that being unprovable makes it a conspiracy theory which is no surprise it would make it to a game about conspiracy theories. Fuck Alex Jones but also fuck a bunch of dumbasses wasting Valves time and reasources reporting shit that isnt happening. God you people are STUPID I dont understand how people can be so out of touch with the reality around them. Also harmful reportings? Go take a look at the top games on steam especially the Hentai ones where the thousand year old characters look like children THATS child exploitation but showing a picture of espstein island is not child exploitation. You can google pictures of Epstein Island right now, pages upon pages should I report Google for child exploitation? Common sense is dead
M O N E T I Z A T I O N
(And yes Japanese anime pedo culture is gross too but that's just a red herring regarding this)
Also, "wasting valves time" gtfo... They made a billion dollars off skins in loot crates, they have plenty of fucking "time."
Jesus you and everyone who commented on this comment is dumb fuck I hate the dude too and he should pay his debts but my god dude how is it anymore harmful than like a million other games that exist? Pirate the shit. But reporting it for child exploitation like that one dude said because it showed Epstein Island is moronic as fuck its a game about conspiracy theories and it isnt any more harmful or defaming than a million other games that exist right now on steam. It doesnt show children being exploited. One thing I notice on Lemmy a lot is people who are like "well I dont like this so other people shouldnt get to like it either." Fucking christ just pirate the damn game so you dont give him money or dont play it if the courts dont get bought off then their should be no problem with them seizing the money he made off the game. But to report it for child exploitation and defamation is mega fucking stupid my god
You said, in your comment to my comment...
Look: you're putting so many words in my mouth, it's probably not worth replying, so...
You're reporting a game youve never even played for made up reasons because you dont like the guy who made it. I read your comment and didnt put any words in your mouth
Read my comment again then, because I didn't say I had reported it, or even that i would. I still haven't.
I was specifically asking if it's even worth reporting, since it would be mostly because he's a grifter and this seems shady. Again though, I offer no solid reason why, other than wanting him to just go away.
If they know where money is coming from, aren't there legal mechanisms to take it directly from Valve?
This article invests a lot of effort trying to make it look like it's all Steam's responsibility.
Can't they just garnish his shit and empty his bank accounts?
They will, but he threw up roadblocks that the court has to move through. He moved his money behind dummy corporations that the court has to investigate first before they can “pierce the corporate veil,” for example.
Surely that could be interpreted as being in contempt of court. Just lock his ass up and throw away the key.
Yeah, that makes sense. Thx
If this was a fair and just county, sure
if
They just hate our freedoms cause they anus
Well I'm glad I didn't buy that, I didn't know he was actually associated with it financially. Figured it was the right kind of joke, not something tacky, tasteless, and stupid
When I was looking through the discussion hub for it there are so many banned accounts lol. It's a 'joke' only as much as people say they were joking when they say 'jews control the media' or something, it's full of racist memes.
very cool America
I'm curious. What would you like "America" to do in this situation?
Have an actually functioning legal and economic system so people like this can't be created nor have this sort of power in the first place? When you have criminals running businesses making bank, multi-millionaires even, while not giving his victims the compensation that they're supposed to be getting, you've fucked up. Seize his assets and distribute them to the people who he defamed, take all of his earnings except for the bare minimum he needs to survive until this debt is paid off (which it won't be since it's far more than he could ever pay anyways). That's what he should expect if he disobeys legal orders and refuses to do the bare minimum in paying victims out.
They already froze his assets and are in the processes of collecting for the families. They already ruled bankruptcy is not an excuse not to pay.
The legal systems seems to agree with what you want the desired outcome to be. I guess the only difference is you want to government to be able to have full control over everything, so they can take it instantly?
America removed the fairness doctrine under Reagan - that action is a direct line to allowing for an Alex Jones. "America" had somewhat functioning structures to prevent unchecked, rampant disinformation on the airwaves, Reagan removed it.
On the brighter side, every time I mention the fairness doctrine I get a brief reminder that Reagan and rush Limbaugh are now both bloated, rotting corpses. The more time passes, history will only remember them as the monsters they were. Their propagandists die off more by the day and eventually only the facts of the damage they did to society will remain
Did Alex Jones ever hold a broadcast license for the fairness doctorine to be applicable?
Pretty sure he got popped a few years ago for his pirate radio. And then got popped with the biggest defamation fine ever.
An alex jones doesn't become an alex jones without a rush limbaugh and a fox news. And you don't get a rush limbaugh or fox news at the scale of influence they had without what reagan did to the Fairness Doctrine.
They would have otherwise stayed on the fringe, where they belong (if anywhere) to make their spurious, wholly unfounded claims about how the children that were shot in the face with an assault rifle weren't shot in the face with an assault rifle.
As in the US justice system? Actually follow his money trail and stop it where ever he hides it until he has payed back every cent of the bill he owns.
I'll stick to playing Broforce
He is a shameful human being. Nothing else to say here.
I'd classify him as a big fleshbag of bacon grease moreso than a human.
Piracy and possible donating to the game studio is the morally correct choice.
So here's the problem with piracy as a protest... It doesn't cost the publisher anything. Which has always been kind of the point of piracy.
Unfortunately when you pirate this game you receive an item of negative value, so I would recommend just staying away from the whole thing.
The game studio only has one game...
Let's hope it stays that way.
George W. Bush still hasn't been charged for war crimes
Great, so we can just let every other criminal off the hook until that happens? What a wonderful idea.
Both deserve jail time for the rest of their lives. And even that's too good for them. What's your point?
I guarantee the kids will not boycott Steam. That’s a line drawn too far.
"The kids"?
Millenials and younger are all kids.
Nevermind that a not-insignificant portion are entering middle-age.
Elder millennials are now in their 40s.
Kid is objective and subjective.
It’s a paradox
Anybody younger than me is a kid. One of the few remaining things I have to look forward to in life is calling the new residents of the retirement home 'kiddos' and 'youngsters'.