‘You’re Telling Me in 2023, You Still Have a ’Droid?’ Why Teens Hate Android Phones / A recent survey of teens found that 87% have iPhones, and don’t plan to switch
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87% of US teens. Here in Germany I see a big mix of devices in teenagers and grown ups hands and nobody seems to care about it.
Yep. The popularity of iPhones in US doesn't represent the rest of the world. iPhone users are the minority in Finland. No one is complaining about green chat bubbles because iPhone users have to use WhatsApp aswell.
same here, hearing about green chat hate was completely bonkers to me.
It's annoying that people have to use a Meta program.
Why? It's easy to use, there's no ads, has many features, etc.
Is it only because it's owned by a big corp?
Meta is not just a big corp. They are known for misusing the data they illegally gather. It's no secret that they admitted to trying to change the results of political elections. That's no entity I want to have my data.
Considering they are probably on the side of iMessage, I’m going to venture a guess and say the company size has nothing to do with it.
Meta is deeply unethical, even for a giant company.
It's because it's owned by a personal data vacuum corp.
I did ask my teen, who said that while the bubble color is fun to tease someone about, it really doesn’t matter since they’re more likely using SnapChat or some other app, rather than texting
There are still enough people who are obnoxious about it, and most of them seem to be iPhone users interestingly
Drummed up marketing.
I still remember Apple's 'Mac vs. PC' campaign and even then I thought it would just encourage (even more) elitism amongst Apple users..
That was a hilarious campaign since it ran while Apple computers were just regular x86 IBM clones.
They also always refer to it as "my iPhone", never "my phone", at least all the users I have met (NL). I find this very odd.
Like the vegans of smartphones
As an iPhone user who was not obnoxious about it I’ve seen a fair share of pushy android user in school. Then again so were the Xbox vs PlayStation kids. They’ll grow out of it.
One would hope. But there are two many adults who need to pick sides.
Casually observed anecdotal evidence is even more worthless than a survey.
It is an American problem.
It's almost entirely due to peer pressure created by apple. They bully people who can't use ichat. My family does this to me, and I'm way too old for that shit.
I troll them back by writing out: Liked "Copy-paste-of-your-whole-message"
The peer pressure isn't created by Apple. It is creation of their own mind. Their own lack of self confidence.
No. Apple literally refuses to make iMessage display Android messages correctly. It's not even peer pressure. Apple probably already has a solution, but fixing thier software isn't worth the possibility of losing customers.
87% seems insanely high unless the survey was being done inside an apple store or something. But the article just keeps asking if I'm a robot, so I can't actually read it.
At some point you'll just have to come to terms with it.
Ah, the easy days of being an obnoxious asshat while mum and dad buy your expensive tech for you.
Let them enjoy it, they have yet to grasp how dire the situation is.
When I was that, I became a Linux user the moment I realized I can't just use XP or 2000 (what was on our home PC) on a laptop coming with 7, cause no drivers. Some literacy followed.
What I really felt bad about - everybody around carrying that expensive tech without any understanding of it, as if it were normal to use a portable personal computer for Instagram, Facebook, making photos etc. Like hitting nails with a microscope.
It's actually become less disgusting today. Back then (around 2012) normies would aggressively behave as if progress looked like Instagram, Facebook etc, with their dumb screen poking, and my idea of how computing would be cool is something stupid and old and imaginatory , as if they had any understanding to evaluate that.
OK, just a little flashback.
87% of teens are lazy fucks who don't know how to download an app that isn't TicTok, surprised?
It's scary how tech illiterate most teens / young adults are. Despite the fact that they live their lives through digital interfaces, the majority do not know how to use a keyboard properly.
I wrongly had assumed that by being surrounded by so much tech, young people would just soak it in and strive to optimize it's use through early mastery. It turns out that despite everyone using tech all the time now, it's still the same thin slice of the pie that scratch the tech any deeper than the top surface.
I feel like we’re getting old. Is this our “kids these day can’t even change their own oil” moment?
I couldn't imagine any of these kids having to deal with a dos prompt.
Then again the thought of having to be on instagram robs me of control over bodily functions.
They are the new boomers now. Like even basic folder navigation is something that is difficult for them.
https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z
Holy shit, yes. I took over some job stuff from a younger guy and when they passed me his files they were all in one giant folder on his Mac. I couldn't find anything!
It's like having everything from your house in a single room with the toilet next the the oven.
Tbf, I don't use prefer clicking thro a series of folders. I rather have a fuzzy finder that help me open any important documents regardless of its format.
No kidding. I'm in my late 30s and regularly have to help 18-24 year old coworkers with connecting their phones to the bluetooth speakers or help with stuff on the computer. I never thought that would happen when I was growing up. I always thought they'd be much better than me!
It feels like a bell curve of technological literacy… most boomers knew jack shit, gen x has a decent amount of tech literates, Millenials are the peak, and then it seems to have started dropping back down from there.
But that kinda makes sense. They never had that period where tech sucked and you had to struggle through it. Even as a developer I'm noticing the junior developers amazed at the stuff i know how to do and they ask how i soaked it all up. It's cuz i had to just to get basic shit to function.
I think these days either being into PC gaming, streaming, video editing, etc is what provides the motivation to become tech literate with how lot of people these days may not own a device that runs a desktop OS and either uses a phone or console for gaming. Otherwise, being in an ecosystem that just hands people everything by design makes even folder navigation something that can be confusing for new generations as it was for boomers.
https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z
But even those motivations only get you surface deep. I'm glad technology has gotten better but what streamer today has bought a new camera only to find the drivers haven't been updated and had to go into the system registry to add a new vendor id? Not that this individual task is important but it's the mentality of being about to fix and manipulate their system when things don't work...computers aren't walled gardens. That's totally lost on this generation.
Young gen Z here. I remember time when casual adults (not nerds interested in tech) considered kids the experts. From perspective of time I can guess it was because they didnt have any 'digital sense' and saw kids playing on mobile devices.
However these days... I everyday see peers using tech in ways we living in tech bubble consider inproper. They use proprietary software, charge battery to 100% and discharge it to full 0, dont care about privacy, accept bloatware instead of flashing rom/uninstalling with adb, they dont know what bootloader is, dont check repairability of devide before purchase, accept everything soldered into motherboard, they think LLM arent just large next-word suggester, they dont boycott companies shitting on them, they use trademarked words while meaning generic things like 'googling' and 'ipad', post their real profile photos on facebook, they accept predatory monetization models.
I dont want to say Im smarter than everyone, but Im just sad that this gen fell so low.
Part of what happened is schools stopped teaching the muggle kids basic computer skills, assuming "they're young so they must innately know this," and went all-in on locked down Chromebooks for everything. The average household doesn't own a computer, just uses phones, and schools took away the only opportunity for them to have exposure to real computers.
I agree with the first part, but knowing about bootloader and flashing rom to a new phone is hackerman level, not a regular tech-savvy user.
New generations having hacking skills is more like a cyberpunk novel, reality is lower attention spans, worst reading skills and over-simplified UIs. People gravitate to the simpler way.
Exactly, I feel like what used to be a "ask a 14yr old" type tech question is now an "ask a 40yr old"
Using "to google" actually invalidates the trademark eventually, since it becomes generalized
This is only in the US I assume? The article isn't very up front about it.
From the article.
I'm personally so tired of defending android to iPhone users. At the end of the day, it's personal preference. IPhone is a walled-garden, curated and closed system that has features that are more uniform and well developed across the whole brand. Android has custom options for a huge variety of things that iPhone can't match simply due to the nature of android's open system. Android also tends to have significantly cheaper modern options, but iPhone tends to get OS and security updates much longer.
They both have huge market shares and neither can fill the other's niche well enough to bump the other out. It's not a competition, it's just preference. Is it really such a big deal to point out that teens prefer one over the other? Once the next generation comes to an age of owning phones, we might just find that they find iphones lame and old and swap back to android. That's kind of how generations tend to work.
I would prefer my phones to work well with other phones. If your phone requires that everyone else buy the same overpriced phone, it is not a better device. Anyone can make something that talks well with itself.
I'm on the same page as you. It should be noted, however, that the kind of exclusivity you find repulsive actually works as a selling point for apple. It's like, "Buy an iPhone! All your friends have them and you want to be able to talk to them right?" Peer pressure is a hell of a drug
I'm aware, it's why I inherently don't trust them. They are anticompetitive to a fault. It is unethical no matter what code of ethics you go by and I vote with my wallet.
Using Apple devices isn’t just about the communication it’s about the whole ecosystem working together. No one does that as well across phone, tablet, laptop/desktop, watch, tv box, and speakers. That’s what sold my tech-illiterate wife and that’s why they’re so popular.
I'm not disagreeing with you. But the trade off is price. When you pay $2.5k more for a phone/tablet/laptop/desktop/watch/tv/speaker setup than you would for all of those things individually with industry standard features, they freakin better work together seamlessly.
Wise man once said: but expensive, cry once.
Easy to say if you have several thousand burning a hole in your pocket.
You robbed Apple of the true superiority of their offering: the hardware. There isn’t a phone out there that comes close to being as well designed and beautiful as an iPhone. That’s important to some people.
That's a silly take.
The hardware offerings outside of Apple are just more diverse. You could buy a $40 Motorola or LG and get exactly what you'd expect. Or you could get the flagship Samsung or Google and blow the iPhone out of the water.
I’m not one of these Apple salespeople, but I was a latecomer to iPhone. Started with the 12. It was the first device I owned as far back as I remember that didn’t feel like it was lagging/dying at the end of year one. And consequently I didn’t replace it as I had with years of Pixels, Nexus, Samsungs, etc prior. I think their hardware design is better. And I think the hardware + software tightness results in extending the life of the hardware. And I say this still wishing I could get the new Pixel devices - but I simply haven’t felt that feeling of my phone becoming irrelevant as much as I did with my various android devices.
Same story repeated with tablets -> iPads seem to last forever / until the wheels fall off. I’ve owned Galaxy Tabs, Nexus 12s, etc -> they do not have the same longevity period. It’s sad honestly I wish that weren’t true.
I have a MacBook Pro 2013 that still runs like new (one battery replacement along the way). I can’t even imagine what a 10 year old Dell or Lenovo or HP would be right now. A paperweight?
The laptops are subpar, miss me with that soldered SSD bullshit
Fuck Apple for normalizing the removal of 3.5 mm jack.
Well designed and beautiful are two very subjective words for a discussion about objective differences.
I think that iphones are bland and kind of ugly for their caliber of technology. My last phone was the sage-back pixel 5 and I absolutely loved the design of that thing. The thing is, looks alone don't constitute superiority.
I don’t care about the beauty and I think some android phones are prettier, but iPhone hardware is ludicrously fast and that’s one of the reasons I have one.
Samsung equivalents have better hardware for the same price
E: I can guarantee you the downvotes are from people who have never even looked at the hardware in their phone. Nobody will even engage with the numbers.
Versus.com is useless. There’s no value in their comparisons.
This stuff always makes people defensive, but it's better to make informed decisions. There is no dismissing this data, period. It's not just a number score, the specs are there for you to read. The equivalent Samsungs have twice the RAM and two more processor cores than their apple counterparts.
You aren’t informing yourself when you read versus.com You’re comparing numbers and those numbers are often not comparable because they either aren’t counting the same thing or they’re an implementation detail that doesn’t affect the actual outcome. Versus.com is essentially worthless search spam.
For example, comparing cores and clock cycles between different architectures is useless.
The A16 chip in iPhone 14 is an ARM chip, same as the snapdragon.
Is not that simple either. Hz don’t equal hz and cores don’t equal cores.
That's not a statement based in reality, there's no magic going on here. It's just cycle speed and information per cycle. If your argument is that the versus.com comparison leaves out the less significant factors, I've looked at those comparisons before I made my first reply and the S23 beats those too.
No one said there’s magic. You’re just flat out wrong.
But really, an AI generated spam search result isn’t something you should use as proof of anything.
That wasn't my only proof though, it was just a convenient method to quickly provide hardware comparisons. If you don't like looking at the numbers behind your device hardware that would explain why you make claims that iPhones have better hardware even though all the numbers are smaller. There must be some Apple wizard somewhere making up the difference.
Not the same, Apple doesn't use snapdragon
The iPhone 14 cpu uses ARM architecture, the S23 cpu uses ARM architecture. How would you come to the conclusion that I'm saying they're the same chips?
They used to use the same chip, and now they don't
Until the battery gets old lol. iPhones are fine; they're simple phones for simple people.
Preferring simplicity in your smartphone doesn’t make you simple.
And what phone doesn’t need a battery replacement after a few years?
Sure it does.
Every phone needs a battery replacement after a few years, but not every phone will perform worse because of it. When your iphone battery wears out, your phone slows down. You have to replace the battery to both improve performance and battery life. When your android battery wears out, your phone does not slow down. It just runs out of battery sooner. Replacing the battery will not improve performance as it never slowed down in the first place unlike an iphone.
That’s because with any phone, an old battery stops being able to provide enough current to the phone when it gets old. So Apple throttles the phone. Phones that don’t do that become unstable, while the iPhone remains stable, but slows down.
Maybe if you keep using it once it doesn't hold a charge for more than an hour, but I've never done that. When my batteries have gotten low, the phone didn't start crashing more or acting weird, just running out of battery sooner.
Generic ass glass slab with a very short service life
Miss me with that clown shit.
Very short service life compared to what? It has a very long service life relative to other smartphones.
Ok pal. Take it easy. I simply expressed an opinion.
A truly lost generation
Gen Z here. Even if I could (somehow) afford an iPhone, I can't imagine buying them because they're just so locked-down... How can you use a phone you can't even access file system on? Hell, even load apps the manufacturer doesn't like? AND sell a kidney for this? Around me, iPhones are a minority but still prevalent, but I am living in a major, pretty wealthy city.
Stock android doesn’t want you to access the file system either. And the stock file manager on iOS/iPadOS is more than enough to do any kind of reasonable file management. And their are legitimate security and data privacy/protection reasons to want to use an abstracted file manager and give apps limited access to the underlying file system.
As far as sideloading, you can do it with a developer account or you can use web apps to fill in the gaps for a big chunk of those use cases. But if you need better performance from sideloaded emulators or virtualization host or programs of those sorts which apple doesn’t allow on the App Store, you will have better luck on android.
iPhone makes a design choice to be more restrictive by default than android but it’s for good reason. If full control of your privacy is something you value then you should definitely consider running an open source ROM on an android phone but you should also consider why you are doing something and consider if it is something that is secure and if there isn’t a better workflow to accomplish the same task.
For instance, on device ad blocking. Do you really trust that ad block developer with permission to inspect network traffic on your device and potentially modify ui elements to block ads (but maybe more). Or is that something that is better left on the edge of your network on a device running pihole.
Sorry to get so wordy on you, but I always getting slightly amused when someone criticizes an iPhone for being locked down and then runs stock pixel ROM with like a couple pirated apps and a shady web blocker on it
My mom was given an iPhone as a gift years ago, so I remember my reaction to this. When you connect it to a computer, you can only see the photos folder. So you can't even drag-and-drop music there. How is this "more than enough"? Maybe something has changed, I don't know.
You just spoke in favor of not being so strict, lol. But also there are far more common cases where this can impact regular people, such as bank apps being deleted due to sanctions. I personally don't use mobile banking, but that's pretty important for a lot of people, isn't it?
If its code is open to be inspected by anyone - why not?
That's not the only alternative. I personally don't yet use a smartphone properly so haven't tried, but there are options for custom, more private OSs. Also pixels are pretty expensive so not the best comparison for "common" user.
I don’t remember when it changed, but it was quite a few ears ago. The solution is iCloud. Your phone has iCloud files enabled, and seems to prefer it (at least for me), and your Windows laptop can be configured with iCloud, similar to how you might use OneDrive or Google Drive. Once you have it setup, you don’t have to think about it. It just works.
That's not access to the file system lol. That's just apple's cloud storage/transfer solution that requires an account and Internet. I mean you can do the exact same thing on Android with Google drive or whatever storage/sync cloud service you prefer.
I really can't agree when you say Pixel phones are expensive. Just look at the value proposition for the 7a. It is currently $444 on the Google store with all the features of the 7 except for a slightly smaller screen and just slightly worse water resistant (we're talking literally one step down). The closest competition would probably be the Zenfone 10 in terms of value,
$444 is pretty expensive for me. More than half a price of my LAPTOP. Most people I know cannot really dish out this much cash for a phone. Maybe it's different in the West.
You can transfer music via iTunes and it doesn’t have to be music with DRM from their store. You can rip MP3’s from any source and transfer them via iTunes. You don’t need direct file access and prevents a third party device from potentially transferring malware to it.
On device, the files app gives you access to the “on my iphone” directory (basically the users home directory) as well as app data directories, and extensions for browsing installed cloud storage. You can create directories, move and copy files, rename and change extensions, or whatever else you might need to do to the files on the device. That’s more than enough for managing files on device.
Android is better for certain workloads and use cases. I’m not advocating that anyone replace android. I’ve used both operating systems and I don’t think either are better than the other. As for banking apps, banks block root on android as well, and they ought too. In the US, by regulation, banks have to reimburse customers for fraud losses from any unauthorized transaction. And the CFPB is very liberal in their definition of unauthorized. So even if you download an app called “Definitely Malware, This app will steal your banking info”, you can get your money back when the hacker logs into your account and drains all your funds. So it’s better for banks to block devices that have root or are jailbroken. As for trusting ad blockers, unless you are downloading and building each update yourself. You are still susceptible to a supply chain attack or bad actor even by using open source. Just because it’s on GitHub doesn’t mean it’s secure. If you are putting your trust in a project just because it’s open source without verification you may as well put your trust in Apple or Google.
I’d recommend everyone look into running an open source, degoogled ROM on android. Whether that’s AOSP or GrapheneOS or something else. I’m just trying to make the argument that iPhone isn’t inferior to android and vice versa
What malware lol. ClickForFreeMoney.apk? Even then, the applications are sandboxed pretty well. Even if you install "malware" it won't be able to do much unless you also grant it permissions to access personal data.
Most adblockers (all the good ones) don't require frequent updates. They frequently update filter lists, which don't execute any code and therefore can't do anything malicious. And what you said applies to every application ever. Anyone can have their credentials stolen and used to publish a modified application.
I don't disagree, Androids and iPhones are pretty much at feature and quality parity nowadays. But it sounds like you're starting from a conclusion and working backwards, which is not a good way to think.
It seems like one of the differences is, is your phone a tool to run your life or is it your playground? Those are very different requirements that ought to be separate
My phone is a tool to run my life, so it is important to just work. Similarly, my laptop is pretty vanilla because I want it to just work, my router is out of the box because it’s critical for my network to just work, and my home automation is a default install on a physical box because it is a tool I need to just work. For playtime I have a lab network, an AWS account, servers, a rPi cluster and VMs, and a bunch of old equipment I could resurrect to varying degrees. I can play all I want, without destabilizing my tools
Disposable society at the max. They done got the new generation to accept planned obsolescence...
Fuck that, Right To Repair!
And being able to easily side-load apps. Also being able to just use a USB C cable like every other device. ( will not apply to future EU, but will probably remain relevant other places ).
I just really fucking hate apple and thier walled garden bullshit.
Ha, I forgot about USB-C. My niece's iPhone was dead and we had nothing to charge her phone with. We were absolutely surrounded with tech but not a single Lightning cable. Forced incompatibility was having a leopards ate my face moment.
Apple has the longest support of any phone maker by far.
Name one Android phone that gets 5 years of the latest OS, without rooting or installing a third party OS, followed by another couple years of security updates.
The Fairphone. Fairphone 2 was updated from Android 5 through 10 (5 years on the latest version) Fairphone 3 started at 9 and is currently on Android 13, that's five years, and hasn't had it's last update yet.
That's two Android phones with at least 5 years on the latest OS, and Fairphone 2 got patch updates until this year, giving it support and updates from 2014 until 2023
Interesting. It's great that Fairphone is actually living up to their promises!
FairPhone 3 user here. It's true, just updated to Android 13, came with 9.
Additionally: Micro-SD, Dual-SIM, replaceable battery, can be repaired by myself at home, cheap/fair priced replacement parts and ethically sourced ressources.
It. is. possible.
Granted, Fairphone had to entirely do the BSP and entire update themselves because the SoC vendor doesn't support A13.
The real issue here isn't with the OEMs it's the chip set vendors not supporting Android as long.
Why you want the latest OS anyways? Just to lock you out of features your device is otherwise capable of?
That's the way things are going. Try keeping up would ya?
Sure, if you don't care about being able to install new apps. Apple has many faults, but planned obsolescence is not one of them, especially since they OFFICIALLY support their devices 2-3 times as long as every single Android device out there.
Also, every iOS update has added functionality. I feel like I get a new phone every fall.
There’s no point in arguing with folks like that. They’re way more interested in platform wars than an honest argument. When they stick to the tired “planned obsolescence” lines from 10 years ago and try to argue that having a 2 year old phone that no longer gets security updates is a good thing, you know they jumped the shark years ago and are just posting in bad faith at this point.
Haha agreed, I just can't resist sometimes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Believe me I get it :) It’s hard for me to resist too but sometimes there’s no winning. And winning isn’t even what we’re after usually. Just an honest back and forth about the pros and cons about the tech we all enjoy. It’s too bad that kind of discourse is so hard to come by these days :/
Oh no, no platform wars from me. Whatever operating system works for you, awesome!
But these companies that have gone so far as to glue or epoxy their batteries in, well that's totally planned obsolescence.
Guess it's only a coincidence which operating systems work with which devices... 🤔
You're joking, I hope. Does "batterygate" ring any bell?
Or maybe you want to look at Macbooks?
Or Airpods?
"Batterygate" was a PR issue. They should have been transparent that replacing the battery fixes it. Lithium ion batteries have a finite lifespan.
MacBooks and AirPods are a right to repair issue, not planned obsolescence. Right to repair is something that the industry as a whole sucks at and it's getting worse because every company is going down this path, not just Apple.
Right to repair is my biggest issue with Apple. They need to do better at this, especially if they're claiming to be so "green." However, I'm not letting everybody else off the hook when one and two year old smartphones are rendered obsolete by the other OEMs through software.
Maybe I want my phone to run the battery down quickly and get the full performance of my hardware. In typical Apple fashion, they've decided what's best for the user without giving them a choice or explaining what's happening or why.
Our shop literally wasn't allowed to purchase new iPhone batteries, because of US Customs. My boss had us using scrap batteries from spare parts devices, while still selling them off to customers as though they were 'new' batteries.
Any wonder why I quit in 2017? Wanna try again?
Again, name ONE other smartphone that is supported by the manufacturer for 5+ years.
As far as smart phones, what, are you trying to defend planned obsolescence?
Seriously, if the old tech could last 8+ years, why should the new tech be so shitty to only last a few years or so?
Shouldn't we be upgrading to devices meant to last 20+ years?
My definition of "planned obsolescence" includes devices that either come with outdated software from the factory, or devices that stop getting OS updates after a year or two. To accuse Apple of planned obsolescence in this context is absurd to me when all of their competitors are objectively worse at supporting their phones.
Well my definition of planned obsolescence is when they epoxy the battery into the phone. It's a well known fact that lithium batteries will wear out in a few years or so..
The EU recently voted to make it law that phone batteries and such need to be replaceable in the future.
Like, why would you want a battery you can't pull out or replace? It's like the first thing to wear out, and the most dangerous part.
Samsung epoxies the batteries in their phones, not Apple. Apple uses Command pull tabs. But, you know, Samsung is always innocent on the Internet.
When Apple switched from aluminum to glass, they most certainly now do epoxy them together.
https://piped.video/watch?v=X07j5deVIfU
Also, Samsung isn't even on my radar, F Samsung too. Samsung is most definitely not the only company that makes Android devices.
This video has nothing to do with battery replacements.
My roommate's dumb flip phone lasted 8 years.
Thinking about framing the parts actually.
Only reason it quit working was because they shut down 3G service here.
I don’t get this. Are you saying that iPhones are more disposable? iFixit says iPhones are more repairable than almost all android phones.
The software situation is no contest. My iPhone 6s, released in 2015, is still getting security updates in 2023. It got its last OS update in 2021. Meanwhile, most premium flagship Android phones don’t get security updates for more than 3 years, much less OS updates, and even that’s a recent change.
Not to say iPhones couldn’t be better, but I left Android specifically because of longevity. I wish all phones were as repairable as Fairphone.
Bruh, it takes a specially made and programmed laser to disassemble their epoxied phones these days. Where you been?
Check out the iFixit link in my previous comment. iPhones might suck for repairability, but they’re better than almost every Android phone. Where’s your evidence?
I don't need evidence, I spent over 7 years repairing them. I can reassemble certain Apple devices in my sleep, but you won't catch me dead with one.
Like WTF? They start off in the device setup like 'Please enter your CC number'...?
Adding a CC to your wallet is optional, Android offers similar card storage too so I don’t really see your point. It stays on device fully encrypted anyway.
No, that's not optional on iPhone, you can't even use their app store even for 'free' apps unless you enable their app store with a CC number.
Unless something seriously changed since 2017 when I gave up on Apple...
Didn’t even consider the App Store, I was busy thinking about the wallet. You’re right.
Actually not true. I just set up a device for a friend the other day and absolutely skipped adding any payment info and was able to download apps. Why are you spreading so much misinformation?
I did say 'unless something has changed in recent years'
Back when I was rebuilding and repairing iPhone 5/6 series and iPad 2/3 series this was most certainly true. Couldn't use the app store for anything, not even free apps, without first entering in a CC number.
Made absolutely no sense to me why it was that way, but it was.
So your anecdote is more reliable than the analysis of the biggest repair site on the internet? (Ugh, I hate internet debates sometimes.)
I have never had a problem getting my iPhone fixed. But with 3 years max software support on Android, that’s not only planned obsolescence, it’s guaranteed obsolescence. Disposability is what your original comment was about.
Think you meant to reply one comment up the chain
Did you not look at the link they provided? iFixit is a pretty well respected site and the iPhone 14 and 14pro are both rated more repairable than the most popular Android phones. Looks like Fairphone and a few other niche Android brands are the only ones that have Apple beat.
Depends on the device you get. Guess what?
Out of my 4 fairly new Android devices, not a damn one of them are epoxied together.
Why does epoxy matter for it being “disposable”? No one has a problem getting their iPhone fixed.
You are either a troll or an idiot. Maybe both. I hope I'm wrong though.
You must not know anything about the R2R movement, the Right To Repair. Apple certified techs aren't allowed access to schematics or parts, their entire goal is to sell you a new device.
No need to be rude.
Again, youre wrong. Both Apple and Samsung release repair manuals and provide replacement parts. Literally no one has a problem getting either phone repaired.
I’m all for right to repair, but android phones suck for planned obsolescence so acting like they’re better about this is delusional. Don’t give them a pass.
Apple doesn’t provide parts, they’re providing assemblies. Those are easier to install, but way more expensive.
That’s a good point. If iPhones are more expensive to repair, then many people will dispose of them rather than repair. But I looked this up, completely expecting you to be right, and it looks like android phones like Samsung are often even more expensive to repair. So I’m still not seeing the justification for the original claim that iPhones are more disposable.
Yeah, I didn't do a comparison to Android phones, just DIY repairs like Louis Rossmann provides. He can replace single chips when they're broken, making a repair cost a few cents in parts rather than hundreds of Dollars.
They only claim to do this, in reality people who own repair shops don't think they are doing it in good faith
Are Samsung and Sony providing repair kits in “good faith”? I think they’re all horrible, but no one has a problem getting their phones fixed.
You need a lot more effort. For example, an iPhone repair kit comes with 3 different screwdrivers. One of mine didn't work well, so I have up and paid $10 to someone with a better screwdriver. Do they NEED 3 different screws?
Also see Louis Rossman, since he actually runs a repair shop, he has complaints about apples repair program
I don’t doubt that iPhones are harder to repair than they need to be. What I seriously doubt is that other major phone manufacturers are better about building with repairability and longevity in mind. (Remember, the beginning of this comment thread is claiming iPhones are especially disposable.)
In this case, it really is the children who are wrong.
We've let Apple buy its way into our school systems. Of course kids are going to gravitate toward iPhones. Part of their schooling every day from Kindergarten is using iOS.
I don’t know what you’re talking about. My kids school is all Chromebook and I think many are these days.
Seriously there has never been so many different options for tech in schools these days.
When I was in school the computers were all original macintoshes with the school upgrading to the iMac G3’s in the early 2000. (I loved the design of those computers except that damn hockey puck)
9-12 was MS office and Windows 2000/XP though
Now the same school uses chrome books, windows 10, google workspace and classroom and the only apple products are just a cart of iPads they let kindergarten and first graders use
I'm sure it varies by state and maybe district, but around here, it's iPads K-5, then MacBooks 6-12.
That sounds really expensive.
Probably. My quick search is only turning up articles from 20 years ago when the partnership started: "The deal is worth US$37.2 million over the next four years."
Because Apple did a dick move and targeted with paid influencers that segment of population because they are the most succeptible to fashion trends and easy to manipulate due to their natural tendency to buckle to peer pressure in order to integrate and feel accepted?
I think Apple marketing has a role in it. Their commercials and packaging gives the iPhone an elitist aura. Kinda like a calone, jewelry, fancy watches, fancy cars.
A important thing, that a lot of people here seem to forget: teenagers are more likely to be influenced by fashion trends, than reason, but they aren't stupid.
I dunno, I'd call that one of the definitions of stupid. Not that they are necessarily overall stupid, but IMO being influenced by fashion trends without reasoning about it is a stupid trait (in kids or adults).
Not really relevant. The majority of teens isn't able to make an informed decision about which is better anyway, and in fact none of the 2 is recommended anyway unless you count in AOSP-based distributions (based off of the open source Android without Google apps), then Android wins of course. But when you compare iOS vs. proprietary Android, it's like comparing 2 different forms of diseases.
So yeah while statistics are interesting it's important not to interpret too much into some. Like, "majority of teens dislikes Jazz music". Well, it doesn't really matter whether they dislike it or not. Popularity doesn't represent quality necessarily. Sometimes, but certainly not always.
In Germany the mobile landscape is more "diverse", I'd say closer to 40%/60% iOS/Android from my own observations. And since we "care" "more" about privacy in schools or public institutions (we still care plenty little but I guess Germany is on average at least known for being a country that does more for data protection than others, so maybe that counts as something?), it's also probably less iOS infested, although I do know that some schools and public institutions do use iOS devices. But I don't think everyone does.
You’re approaching this entirely as a contest of what’s the best kind of phone. Of course a survey of teens is not a great way to decide that.
However it’s incredibly important to any company whether their product is / isn’t liked by the younger generation that’s coming up right now.
Old customers die off and younger ones grow older and wealthier, so you’d better pay attention to what the youngs think, because it will inform your business.
Android enthusiasts can refute this result a million ways, but there’s no question that this headline is not great news for Android.
I don't think so. Android has been marketshare leader for a long time. Maybe iOS is massively popular in USA, but outside of USA it isn't. Also, as long as marketshare has a sort of "critical mass" it's fine. Look at OSX for example, it has around 20% marketshare and that number is still high enough that it can't be ignored. So I think both are here to stay whether they have 20% or 80%.
This is a US survey. It isn’t relevant to this discussion that India is 96% Android. Now you seem to be approaching this from a “who will win global market share” angle. Again, that was never the question here.
This is an ill omen for Android’s fortunes in the US. Not a dramatic death knell or anything like that. But certainly a bad sign. And whatever happens around the globe, the US is an important market. If you can’t accept that much, then you must be defending some deep biases.
P.S. And by the way it’s incorrect to say that iOS isn’t popular outside the US. Many of the worlds most developed markets, like France and Germany, are, like the US, a lot closer to 50/50. Android’s global lead is due to extreme budget phones in massive developing markets like China and India. So yes, Android has global market share, by virtue of capturing the least profitable and least influential markets in the world. Many rightly say that that is a battle not worth winning.
Also I question the accuracy of this data anyways, according to the article it's only a sample size of a little over 7k people. Also anecdotally as a current college student I have not had any exclusionary behavior towards me as an android user, and know that some of my friends also use Android but tbh it just doesn't come up in conversation either.
I have no issue with iPhones, but I've never owned one, and have no intention of buying one in the foreseeable future. "It just works" has never appealed to me as a marketing tactic. I want to know how things work, and have access to get in and play around with things.
After getting an iPhone for my mom, and running into multiple issues just setting up the account, including an apparently rare known UI bug*, I can't say I am convinced by the "It just works" slogan.
I really don't see the difference in experience for an average person buying any big brand android phone vs an iPhone.
*something about an old account re-setup not working on the phone and apparently some steps had to be done in the web interface. The phone UI was just giving an unspecified error and I had to dig deep into Google to find out wtf is wrong. A non-tech person would have no chance of solving it on their own.
My beef is with Apple playing the good guy when anyone with half a brain knows they are just as bad as everyone else. Their whole ecosystem lock in without caring about anything else is what really gets me. They are literally opening up their users to potential privacy issues because they would rather force people to use an iPhone than implement basic RCS capabilities.
There’s a spectrum of answers here.
— As a tech guy I prefer to know how stuff works and to be able to play around with them. That’s critical for my servers and automation projects
— However as a person, I want my phone to just work, and to be secure and private by default, as far as those things go in current times. I also want a company that stands behind their products, even if I never need it, I want a tool that is well built, I want to count on security updates for several years, and there is quite a bit of built-in functionality that I like
— as a parent, I want to take advantage of secure family functionality on the iPhone, I want their phones to just work and to default to secure and private, as far as that goes. I want phones to be well built and well supported, to survive a teenager. And most of all, I don’t want to have to show my kids how to use a phone I don’t have, or to help them recover from their mischief.
I have an iPhone, but I’d probably prefer an Android just because you can install things from outside the App Store.
After disabling a million warnings, being constantly reminded you should not do it, and i wont be surprised if future versions will require rooting for doing so.
I have always been an android user, but honewtly, if libre android OSes didnt exist, i would have been an iphone user already.
With all my due respect, iOS is even worse. They don't provide access to the file system of their phones/tablets, still refuse to open iMessage to rival OSes, they don't even release their apps for other operating systems.
You can't for example backup WhatsApp on Android and restore your backup on iOS.
They don't support Bluetooth file transfer and they are/were requiring to develop their apps on macOS. Not to forget all those lawsuits they filed against Samsung and other Android manufacturers at the beginning of the smartphone revolution.
It's literally just one toggle? It's been the same for over a decade.
The constant reminders are untoggleable.
Reminders? Like the "this app can't install unknown apps" notice for installation? Because those only happen for if you execute through a browser or app other than the file explorer for the first time.
Probably the same teens paying stupid money for trainers that someone scribbled on with sharpie!
I own both, a iphone X for work and a cheap Motorola G series phone (200 euro).
I prefer my Android phone, the customization, ease of use. With Android you feel more like an Admin, iphone you are just a user for overpriced stuff
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About five years ago, non-tech folk would switch from Apple (which was paid for by family) to Android (which is what they could afford entering the job market). As a tech geek, I actively pursued Android offerings with the latest stuff (waterproofing! encryption!) and got good results from it. The general rule was to buy a phone from the manufacturer and use the base OS rather than the hobbled offerings from the telecommunications stores.
Idk where they got this data from. In my kid's school almost everyone has Androids. Granted I live in a poorer area of the country where apple shit is rare and most people have cheap Chromebooks.
I'm sure it's highly variable by region, I live in a, I suppose you couldn't call it rich, but not a poor area, and nearly everyone in my school has an iPhone. Not only an iPhone, but usually the latest one or at least within a couple generations.The district also provides us with MacBooks. (Writing this from a Pixel 6 though!)
If people give me shit about my Android phone, I point out that their phone can fold exactly once before they'll need a new one. Android is still the only option for power users.
Effective marketing.
Modus operandi for apple, too. "Get one because everybody has one" is one of the biggest marketing tools they push to sell their tech.
only reason I have an iphone is that the mini's are so awesomely small. Never will return to a phone larger than 5.4!
but that's for convenience and I never ever see a phone as a status symbol. I mean the are basically all the same and can do all the same, so why the fuzz?
Please tell me that I'm not the only person who immediately thought of this when reading "droid"
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87% of teens are mentally ill (speaking from experience)
I do agree with right to repair, but I tried to leave apple. And it was fucking miserable.
3 different places to change settings. Some don’t have all the settings to change so you have to go to another. Fuck all that.
And the auto correct adapts to your fuck ups, and changes them to your fuck ups? No thanks.
I’m not a fan boy. I just want it to work or know where to fix it.
Get a different keyboard, bro. Changing your default keyboard has been a thing on Android for like a decade and a half. Even so, most keyboards these days have a shortcut that's basically 'long press the wrong prediction -> don't predict again'
Also, the android settings menu has had a search function for a few years now. You don't have to know where to look to find most things.
Google Keyboard will do the same, adapt to your quirks of typing. I actually find that semi-useful sometimes as I occasionally write software, but yeah you should always carefully monitor your text before you post it.
But you can also clear the saved autocorrect entries and start again.
I actually did that a couple months ago. For whatever reason, GBoard is still acting up lately, like it takes 20 seconds or so before I can even type the first character sometimes.
Thinking about perma-switching to Hacker's Keyboard
The analogy I have always used is that it's like trying to cook in someone else's kitchen and all of the things you need aren't where you'd usually look.
I have the same theory that I always mention to those who are hesitant to switch devices!
I used to be annoyed about not having my Android devices work like iOS.
Enjoying new tech was a lot better after I started viewing them as different devices instead of pure replacements.