One of the last messages from the developer of Sync had said they were considering making a Sync for Lemmy... The guy's attention to detail and customizability of Sync for Reddit has me hoping real hard for that.
Oh my god if JDL made Sync for Lemmy I would buy it yesterday. I was a Sync Dev user for like 5 years, such a great app and the developer is amazing.
Absolutely! Sync was my favorite Reddit app. It's perfect. Take my money guys.
I'm 11 years into using Sync.
My first year of college, the only smart device I had was an iPod Touch. After I found Reddit, I installed Alien Blue on the iPod as my first Reddit app experience.
A couple years later, I bought my first real smartphone, which ran Android. And I was so keen to try to find "the Alien Blue of Android" I tried probably half a dozen Reddit apps. It didn't take me long to recognize Sync as the uncontested best of the lot, and I've been using it ever since.
Until now.
Considering the Reddit API changes are leaving an enormous amount of mobile dev talent flapping in the breeze, I'm really looking forward to seeing some really innovative apps in the nearish future.
I would actually spend money on Lemmy Sync. Though I'd also love if some of the Reddit app devs went grey hat and implemented token spoofing like Twidere on Android has for Twitter - that app lets me view my Mastodon "timeline" and Twitter timeline in the same feed by telling Twitter's API that it's totally the normal iPhone Twitter app.
I've been using Jerboa for Lemmy on Android. It's pretty good so far. Still getting the hang of Lemmy in general.
There are some bugs and an advance user may not like it but for a simple lurker as myself Jeroba has been working wonders. 100% recomend
Are you really a lurker if you're already commenting? (Speaking as a recovering lurker)
Totally fair. I'm brand new today so it's been nice to play around with to get used to Lemmy. Still no idea to view things I subscribed to but I'm sure I'll learn!
I'm on Android and it seems to me like there is no other app but Jerboa for Lemmy.
Same but its incredibility buggy and unintuitive for me
It definitely has bugs. I had to load this thread 8 times to get the correct comments to load. Some of this could be user error, buts it's a free app that works pretty dang well.
I'm pretty sure its the only actively maintained app on f-droid
Yeah, it's barely working for me at all, and I've been trying it for at least a week now. Sometimes I've written out long comments only for them to just vanish forever with a little error message.
Same here.
I've gotten in the habit of copying my comments before submitting them, just in case. Including this one.
Me2. But I do not see an option to add my kbin account nor my mastodon. I think it would be cool if this feels more integrative as in one app with different sections/views for the fediverse
I wish there was a way to have one account linked to multiple instances. Admittedly I don't understand this fediverse thing so i may be wrong about this but requiring a new account for every instance will get increasingly tiresome as the site grows and more instances are created.
FWIW, any account can subscribe to any (federated) community. Right now it's really difficult to do through Jerboa itself, so I usually do it through the web app.
Is kbin.social just another community? And kbin just another app which presents said communities a bit different?
I have a mastodon, Lemmy and kbin account and would love to have one place to view all my subscribed content...
Yes. On kbin they are called magazines, but they show up as communities for me in the jerboa app even though my account is with lemmyworld.
If you have an account on an instance, you can see anything on other instances it federates with
Same... I'm pretty confused about some stuff but it's close enough to reddit to where I'm kinda figuring it out
Using it too reminds me of infinity for Reddit
I used to use Relay for reddit, and jerboa feels really familiar. It's development really picked up last release too. Still having an issue getting back to a comment context from a reply in my inbox, but I think that's a bug from last release and there's a pull request already.
I assume there isn't really any app for Lemmy on iOS? I didn't find anything. I didn't expect to, but still disappointing.
I may be just a pie-in-the-sky optimist but I think the duplicate communities thing will die down eventually. Natural selection will do it's thing and we'll all eventually settle in specific communities on specific instances.
Based on the nature of life itself all living things become specialized over time. This includes creatures, jobs, products, communities, etc. So what's likely to happen is some communities will die out or be abandoned while others will thrive and yet others will simply become more specialized.
Hypothetical example: /m/gifs on Kbin might become the place to find perfect loops and high quality/serious stuff while /m/gifs on some other instance might become the place for animated silliness.
I think "duplicated" communities is a problem even on a centralized service, to a lesser degree, since you can create a community with same intentions, but different names (e.g. c/video, c/videos). I'm also optimistic they will sort out with time
Agree, the fragmentation of communities is a stumbling block for adoption and for the coalescing of users to solidified groups that adopt identities and cultures. This is a huge advantage when looking at centralized systems like reddit. My hope is that there will be some version of natural selection but that it occurs sooner than later
Even on reddit their were multiple subreddits that were very similar. r/oculus r/oculusquest r/quest2 r/virualreality and many more ar and xr subbreddits I was subscribed to. Much of the same content were on all of them.
As the user base here grows it won't be an issue, some similar communities will be bigger some smaller and there's room for everything.
Yeah i hope this happens I just hope sizable communities form faster so more adoption moves here.
Im not sure what you're saying.
Personally I want to avoid one huge centralized "community" as it no longer ceases to be a community.
It makes sense to me that different userbases have different /r/funny with different content that they find funny. Otherwise you just have one appeal to the lowest common denominator content.
My concern is adoption for most people is a matter of content to interact with and if the groups are too disparate they may not foster adoption.
It is, only that on reddit you had the possibility of one r/video and one r/videos but here you have the possibility of 20+ different c/video and 20+ different c/videos so it'll take much longer to form a main community and then you have the chance of an instance suddenly disappearing for whatever reason and then the whole process starts again.
One thing I'm worried about here with the duplicated communities though is the same thing that was happening on Reddit in the last couple years, new astroturfed communities popping up with a decided slant. Like how /r/economy came out of nowhere despite /r/economics being an existing huge subreddit, and /r/economy having a noticeable conservative bent. Lemmy doesn't seem a ton more susceptible to it than Reddit was, but discovering new popular communities does seem to be very much a desired feature here.
I don't think Beehaw has it figured out, but the idea of making signups more onerous definitely makes sense to limit bots, advertisers, and state actors.
There are plenty of duplicate communities on Reddit, it doesn't really matter.
I think so too, however we need some discoverability of these instances. At the very least we should be able to easily search for and subscribe to communities from different instances, and have some UI to easily navigate these.
The thing is, due to how federation works, this cannot work. Federation is not an automatic thing that happens to instances; instances can only know about other instances if they send a request to another instance or vice versa, to discover them.
The closest thing to a solution will always be things like https://browse.feddit.de, or some implementation of opt-in relays, like the microblogging platforms use.
I need to do some reading on how the fediverse works under the hood but if browse,feddit.de has visbility of all instances then certaintly there is a way for any instance that chooses to federate to have visibility into the fediverse
It doesn't have visbility of all instances in existence, as this is impossible. What it will do is crawl the "known fediverse", which is done by crawling known instances and then crawling known instances to those known instances, and so on.
Basically, the Fediverse is just separate websites talking to each other, there is no actual fediverse entity so to speak.
That makes sense, but I am failing to see the issue.
As long as one instance, or any single user from one instance makes that instance aware of the existence of another instance (currently by pasting the url of that instance in the community search), that is now visible and discoverable to all users.
Or worst case, your instance calls some aggregator, like browse.feddit.de to fetch all known instances.
All I am asking for a better UI for viewing content across these instances. What that looks like I am not totally sure. > Communities
I have to admit I'm not sure what you're asking anymore, what exactly would a "better UI for viewing content across these instances" be? You can already search for communities that your instance knows about (and force it to search for any instances that you know elsewhere) using the search system, and browsing the All feed will show you all posts from communities/instances that your instance knows about as well. Trying searching gaming to see what I mean
I will say the search page feels incredibly disjointed though; I think it should group all the same content (communities, posts, comments) instead of whatever it does right now.
It sounds to me like you're asking for some sort of discoverability/content recommendations, perhaps? If this is the case, the general Fediverse culture tends to be against this sort of stuff as they see them as systems that promote more screen time and unhealthy habits, instead of actually engaging with what you know you want to engage with.
That's because I am confused on what I am asking for myself, but I can't figure it out until I have discussions about it.
I will say the search page feels incredibly disjointed though; I think it should group all the same content (communities, posts, comments) instead of whatever it does right now.
This is one thing. Another is a being able to possibly toggle views of different instances within one UI. Another is something like multireddits, where you can view multiple communities contents together (/r/funny from one instance, and another).
It sounds to me like you’re asking for some sort of discoverability/content recommendations, perhaps? If this is the case, the general Fediverse culture tends to be against this sort of stuff as they see them as systems that promote more screen time and unhealthy habits, instead of actually engaging with what you know you want to engage with.
Thats a reasonable concern. The problem however I see is that if you don't have way to easily discover communities, or have a way in which communities link to each other, then you end up with a single or perhaps couple massive instances and were essentially back to where we started.
Back in the day, the single entry point of discoverability used to be Google. You'd search for some topic and come onto some forum of that topic. That's no longer really an option. If every instance is isolated on its own domain with no gateway between them, I don't see much point to the fediverse.
The biggest problem to starting a new social media alternative has been the critical mass needed. I see the fediverse as a way of solving this problem, as you already have a bunch of users/content which can be shared with new instances.
If every instance is isolated on its own domain with no gateway between them, I don’t see much point to the fediverse.
I only really want to touch upon this point, but the Fediverse platforms were originally designed as a return to the old forum-style format of communities, where you have your own little cozy corners of the internet, with your own rules and culture, while also being decentralised and resistant to the problems of centralisation.
The fediverse, however, allows you to reach outside of your own community and follow/socialise with people inside other communities seamlessly (which, in truth, it does do), negating the need of everyone having to make accounts and identities on every single site/community they come across.
The concept of having the fediverse just be thousands upon thousands of instances seamlessly all connected to each other for maximum content discoverability is only really a mindset that has occurred recently after Musk's acquisition of Twitter, and attention was put on Mastodon. Before this, people just resided in their own little communities and talked to people they knew rather than specifically looking for more people.
The developers of these platforms are looking into what they can do regarding this, but they don't want to stray far from the principles of these software platforms by making them into social media sites that are just clones of the social media sites they're trying to move away from.
I believe there's some discussion about this on the github.
I can't help. There is no license, so your app is proprietary. What are the goals and what needs to be implemented?
Just added the Apache License.
Goals:
Better UI (I am aiming for old.reddit) for lemmy with a new design (repetitive icons, hard to distinguish comments, terrible mobile UI) and fixing common issues, like freezing, spinners loading forever, etc.
Single codebase for web, native Android and iOS apps. This is possible with Svelte + Capacitor.
Svelte codebase which I believe will be far easier to develop on.
Rethink how communities are browsed/integrated as alluded to in this post. This is my end goal, but I need to have some discussions about what this will exactly look like.
My current goal is to just get the site working with all/most of the existing functionality. For that there is a lot to do. Profile/settings page, comment replies, community browser/subscriptions to name a few.
Sounds great!! I will be pendent of news about that project. Currently I'm using Jerboa. Not so bad and needs improve a lot of stuff, would be great could use Infinity for Reddit but for Lemmy. Is open source so I think it could possible, but I'm not a programmer yet. Good luck!!
Thank you! Would you be open to using a Copyleft license like GPL? Or is that not possible when releasing the app to mobile stores?
It seems like Jerboa uses GPLv3 as well, as does Bitwarden and some other open source apps. Its probably ok though it seems like it can run into trouble way down the line. Im going to keep the GPLv3 for now.
It seems that the lemmy-js-client library you are using is licensed under AGPLv3. So I'm not sure if you are allowed to use it with your current license. You might have to make your project AGPLv3 too.
The Apache License 2.0 is compatible with the GPLv3 and AGPLv3 but not the GPLv2: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#apache2. Using an AGPLv3-licensed library in an Apache 2.0-licensed program is allowed, but you must follow the AGPLv3 when conveying it, which is incompatible with the Apple app store ToS.
AGPL is a Copyleft license, so how can it be possible to use such library in an Apache licensed program? Isn't the whole idea of Copyleft to make that impossible? To make sure that nobody can take away users freedoms?
I think what they meant on gnu.org is that you can use Apache licensed code in a GPL licensed program.
The combination of an Apache-licensed program and AGPLv3-licensed library is covered by both licenses, meaning that both need to be followed. This does not change the license of the program itself - the library could be replaced. Somebody could take away the users' freedoms, but they would need to replace the library.
Just did some reading and it indeed does seem like GPL is not allowed in app stores as it does not allow any further restrictions (such as Apples store's requirements).
I have to do some research.
I might try my hand at contributing. I have yet to do any open source development but really want to work on something lemmy related.
Single codebase for web, native Android and iOS apps. This is possible with Svelte + Capacitor.
Interesting. Is this easier to work in than React Native?
I am not a fan of React, so in my opinion, yes. The substantial difference here is this isn't native, its just a webapp that looks and feels just like a native application. The nice thing here is its just vanilla JS/CSS/HTML.
Not a bad start! Best of luck.
I like that you chose Sveltekit, and the project structure seems pretty good. But there's a lot to fix. The page load takes way too long (you should be using #await whenever possible), and the design is very messy.
If I may suggest, I think you should be using a UI framework. It will keep you in-line, and give you good defaults, and maybe even save you time. I feel like Carbon is a good match for this sort of app. But If you don't like it, Skeleton also seems like a good choice.
Also, imho you should be using display: flex a lot more! (or grid)
Either way, I like the initiative. I might be able to help out a little bit here and there, but I can't make any promises.
Good luck!
My coding style has always been to get out the core functionality then fix everything up, definitely not for everyone. Might be something I need to reconsider when working with others.
I love carbon, but I chose Ionic is because its very suited for mobile development. On the other hand it seems to have very severe limitations for mobile so it seems I have to pull in something else in as well.
The page load takes way too long (you should be using #await whenever possible)
I will, though part of the reason its slow is because its hitting lemmys backend over the network, as opposed to just a local network in a normal setup.
Please let me know when you have a discussion place for lemmy-ui-svelte - want to keep up on daily and try to contribute
Is there a reason why you mixed js and ts?
Maybe he wants to live dangerously?
Where is the backend?
Right now its just fetching from lemmy.world. But I have my own instance on the same server as the front end client I can point it to.
Oof I can't do web dev. Good luck with the project though.
I'm attempting to set up a self hosted instance so that I can control who I'm Federated with or not. Probably will just keep it open though, and I'd have to be a real asshole to get my instance defederated anywhere lmao.
Can you do us all a favor and blog about your experience setting this up and running it somewhere? I'll follow you 👍
I was thinking about making my own Federated kbin-like server (writing the code from scratch) as an academic exercise. I'm a full stack developer and it's the perfect thing to hone my non-embedded (full std) Rust skills and freshen my JavaScript skills.
I have several side projects going on at the moment (that I've been working on constantly for almost three years straight) and I need a mental break from that. I'd love to learn what's a pain in the ass VS what's good from a semi-layman's perspective so I can make something better.
I'm currently running my own instance for this exact purpose, and have helped another user setup their public instance. It's really quite simple! Just follow the instructions in the lemmy-ansible repo and the script should do most everything for you.
I'm running my instance from a Linode dedicated 2CPU 4GB RAM instance, where the friend I helped is running on a $5/mo 1CPU/2GB RAM Linode instance. Both are running Ubuntu 24.04LTS as I found that the newer non-LTS version has some issues out of the box.
I setup the credentials per the Ansible instructions and the script did the rest for me.
Do you think you could do this using Oracle's "forever-free" tier?
I've never used anything Oracle out of principle, but there is an ARM build of Lemmy.
If you get it working then document your findings and share them
Just posted my compose for an arm oracle box. The other day. It works pretty well and if u switch to pay as you go but stay under ur limits I think they won't take you down as easily.
As someone who's been forced to use Oracle products many times in the past I nod to your standards and tip my hat for your sound judgement 👍
Hall-effect fediverse client when?
Ahaha, someone who knows
Adding over-engineered hardware into the mix isn't out of the question 😁
This is the solution. With enough small instances, not only do we provide a wide range of options to users, but we also distribute the hosting costs across the community.
Blacklisting is not the only problem. Some instances will white list and you won't be able to see them.
Yeah or you have to have a different opinion with some instances, but most of those you don't really want to be a part of
Hopefully we don’t end up with a few large instances that will only federate with each other, I’m seeing how things go for now but I might end up doing what you’re doing as well (especially if we get the option to migrate accounts)
Hopefully we don’t end up with a few large instances that will only federate with each other, I’m seeing how things go for now but I might end up doing what you’re doing as well (especially if we get the option to migrate accounts)
I feel for all the devs in any way associated with current activities. We need this and this and this and this. Bloody, hell, man. I know, know. Me too!
Thanks to all the amazing contributors out there!
Yes! I was just reading a post from the authors of Lemmy on lemmy.ml, and noticed I was not logged in. I assume that because lemmy.ml is another instance, I can't log in with my usual lemmy.world credentials, but since it is federated I should be able to post, correct? However, I am not sure how, and I think a lot of people would just try logging in normally, since it's just Lemmy, right? Lemmy.ml might be safe, but I think it could be possible to confuse people into entering their password for fediverse sites on malicious instances, which steal their credentials. It's a little bit confusing to noobs like myself to be honest.
An app that can manage credentials and post properly across compatible instances and show informative messages to notify the user if and why they cannot post would be very useful, managing multiple accounts seamlessly even more useful!
Well think about it with this crude kind of inaccurate analogy.
You have a windows laptop. Your friend has a windows laptop. When you're logged in to your laptop you can send your friend email. And see his emails to you.
But just because your laptop is windows and his laptop is windows doesn't mean your windows log-in would work on his right? Lemmy works more like that. Reddit is kind of like one large windows laptop and everyone gets their own keyboard. Your log in works no matter which keyboard you use.
You may notice that Lemmy communities have the @ symbol like an email. So tech@lemmy.world is different from tech@lemmy.ml (just like how robert@yahoo.com is not the same account as robert@gmail.com). They MAY be made by the same Robert but there's no guarantee.
You really just need one account. So in the communities tab from your instance (Lemmy.world) you can search for the community on the other instance (Lemmy.ml) for example tech@lemmy.ml.
Your account let's you post and comment on @lemmy.ml posts
Even when you understand all that, though, it does just feel weird and unintuitive that you have to search for the community you want to interact with from within your home instance, and can't just directly go to that instance's website, e.g. beehaw.org, and log in.
Having an app (including a desktop app) to point people to that would just consolidate everything for a given user so that it's more intuitive, and so that you can easily switch between accounts or set it up to see posts from all your accounts together, would make it a lot easier on newbies, and make navigation more convenient for everyone else as well.
Coming from reddit is fun app, I don't really understand how what you're proposing would work. You want the same functionality of having a separate account on each instance, but consolidated into one app to easy switch between accounts/instances, right?
If we translate this use case into the existing rif app layout, the subreddit selector panel on the left would need to have like lemmy instances instead of subreddits, with communities nested under each instance.
So you would have a different frontpage for each instance, which consisted of only the posts for communities hosted by that instance. Maybe I'm on the wrong track here, or you have a better idea of how it'd work.
How is that better or more intuitive than just having one personal frontpage for all of your subscribed communities? That way you don't even need to make a conscious decision to browse beehaw posts, they're just in the same feed as everything else.
I feel like it's more about the way you're thinking about posts being hosted on a particular server and what that means. In the context of Lemmy it only means something where the post you want is on an instance that's been defederated from for whatever reason, and even then only in terms of community discovery. Otherwise it's kinda meaningless in terms of your interaction with posts.
Thinking of the given community as a community 'on beehaw' per se is only really pertinent in cases where the fact it's on beehaw alone has some kind of impact on how you interact with it, e.g moderation style. But even in that case, moderation style could equally be an attribute you ascribe to the community itself, rather than beehaw. e.g. preferring r/games over r/gaming.
This way it makes more sense to think of the community as a lemmy community than a beehaw one, which seems fairly intuitive to me. Plus, that way the instance is doing the link aggregation and not your phone, which would be problematic for users and for scaling the ecosystem
GNU + Linux laptop
I assume that because lemmy.ml is another instance, I can’t log in with my usual lemmy.world credentials, but since it is federated I should be able to post, correct?
I think the difference is whether you’re viewing lemmy.ml directly (as in, the URL in your browser starts with https://lemmy.ml), or whether you’re viewing it through lemmy.world.
I wish there was a "log in from other instance" button, but I don't know how you'd implement that.
I expected the same and became confused trying to log in another instance.
I.w
for example, you can see other lemmy.ml community and post there by going to its @
like putting https://lemmy.world/c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml in the address bar, lets you access asklemmy on lemmy.ml via lemmy.world, and I think you can directly post to that community without login again with that instance's credential.
I have not seen the need to manage multiple accounts so far. I am logged into thelemmy.club but am subscribed to lemmy.world which works fine since it is federated. I am able to reply to you from thelemmy.club. Most of the content I follow is from other (non club) servers and have not had any issues interacting with people.
You would need a separate account to participate in instances your home instance isn't federated with, ie anyone logged into lemmy.world would need a different account to use beehaw
I think this is where I lucked out when I had so many issues creating an account on lemmy.world. I ended up making an account at thelemmy.club instead and it seems I can see and respond to all content from here so far.
View Lemmy.ml from the Lemmy.world instance
This is a non issue tbh.
We will get there. I'm having a shit load of fun on here with you guys.
The nature of this platform is so that what we need will gradually happen based on the work we put it. I'm not into tech anything so I'm just thinking here.
I'm literally here for the journey
Since instances love to defederate so much, we need an app to connect everything together again.
Since instances love to defederate so much
Hyperbole?
Not really
-Giuseppe Garibaldi
"The Federated Universe is neither federated nor universal" - Voltaire
Just like Random Variables
What about this Garibaldi
Lemmy creators are overloaded with the massive afflux of people generating 100s of bug reports and questions on top of all their work.
Make sure you donate to help them spend more time on the project!
This may be the (realistic) “fix” to duplicate communities in multiple instances. No fix on the server end, just* a reader app that can amalgamate the feeds so it is transparent to the end user.
* and by “just a reader” I’m naturally referring to a Herculean effort to make a simple, beautiful app that’s cross-platform capable and which a noob can navigate without having to actually understand the fediverse.
holy shit we're devolving back to rage memes? Last I saw this shit I rode a yellow bus to school
How long was this bus
as my girlfriend likes to tell me, length isn't relevant.
Is the bus purple now or something?
c/thebusispurple
We need a better solution for fedichains
I wonder if there is a country or municipality somewhere where the busses are purple. They can't all be yellow, surely.
@Lemmyin I just want that Infinity for Reddit get Lemmy and Kbin added to it.
By far the best Reddit client. I really love the gesture navigation on it.
There's no other app close to it.
For me it was Relay. Absolutely perfect in every way, and the gesture navigation was so intuitive. Currently using jerboa for Lemmy and excited to see where it goes or what other apps become available for it
I was looking the jerboa page and it called Lemmy a “federated” alternative to Reddit. What does federated mean in this context?
It's it's own platform, but there's other platforms that cross talk and are all one for the end user.
It's basically reddits within reddits within reddits all communicating with eachother. There is a connect point between them, the individual instances, and they are ran by people willing to do so, they control the flow of communication based on the communities needs, in theory.
Relay is amazing. At this point I couldn't give a shit if reddit ever goes back to "normal" but I'll hate giving up Relay. If only there was some way to log in to Lemmy on Relay.
Don't quote her on this but I think someone is or was working on a wrapper to translate API calls from Reddit to Lemmy. In theory that would make it possible for 3rd party devs like Relay to change the end points to Lemmy. Big if true.
Agree! You will pay thesubscription after 30 June? I don't want to because I don't want support Reddit new policies not even with a penny. Would be for the dev, but also would be money for the Reddit's dirty hands.
Why pay to use a platform that's already making money with my personal data or the data that I post on Reddit?
That's why paying makes no sense. Like paying for having online games on a console. I'm not into that stupid idea, that's why I play on PC and pay for internet to my ISP.
Paying to any console company to play online games is like paying to the mafia for "protection".
Same applies to Reddit.
I'm not falling in those mafia techniques.
I was looking at jerboa and it called Lemmy a “federated” alternative to Reddit. What does federated mean in this context?
It refers to the fact that communities belong to a specific instance. These instances can federate, as in "be a whole, made out of two", or stay separate and stay isolated
There is no central Lemmy servers. Everyone can run a Lemmy server, which is called an instance. The instances talk together and sync posts and comments between them.
The admin of an instance (usually the owner of the server) is in total control of what goes and what does not on the instance, and which other instances to federate (sync) with.
When you create a community, you choose an instance that the community lives on. The community is then in the hands of the admin of that instance and the mods assigned by the admin to that community.
I don't think this going to happen but we can wish
Jerboa does this. I get content from all instances and I can block and subscribe as I want. I have no complaints at all as of yet. If you are using android, I highly suggest using jerboa
I'm using Jerboa now with multiple accounts. Currently you have to select which account you're actively using. Each account has separate feed/subscriptions, which I prefer.
I don't see an option for 1 combined feed with all accounts subscriptions. Would be nice to have as an option though.
Also using Jerboa right now. Enjoying it
Also on Jerboa; I can only see your posts and comments.
Subscriptions should only be stored on your home instance (that's why Lemmy surfaces monthly active users instead of subscribers) and the instance owners could see it somewhere but they are not world visible, no. However, upvotes are world-visible as far as I know, it's just that the UI doesn't show them.
Jerboa works, but doesn't seem to handle the inbox well. I see replies to my comments, but I can't tap that reply to get to the thread
Jerboa has been great for me too!
mlem beta for iOS works this way, too, you just have to download TestFlight to use it
Disregard that, the beta’s full atm
I'm actually kind of enjoying the partitioned nature of the fed. I use the Jerboa app when on mobile to access Lemmy, and when I'm on my PC I use kbin.
When I was on reddit, I'd switch from mobile to PC or vice versa and just see all the content I just browsed on my other device. Now it's a fresh batch every time I make the switch (which is pretty regularly!).
That said, I wouldn't be opposed to a unifier. I remember back when AOL Instant Messenger and the 5 or so similar IM services were the cream of the internet, and keeping up with friends on each was a real pain in the ass. Then a program called "Trillian" came along and linked them all together with one clean interface, and it was fucking amazing. I could definitely see the fed benefiting from a similar service.
Trillian was good stuff. Then came Pidgin, which was free and open source if I recall correctly. At one point I had AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Gtalk, and ICQ all going at once.
Pidgin was the (bird) shit
Oh wow, I haven't thought about trillian in years!
I'm waiting for an account switcher like Sync has. You could log in to one, type a comment and before submitting choose one of your other logged in accts to comment from.
Pretty sure Jerboa on Android has the ability to add multiple accounts.
Yes, it absolutely does.
It does, but as far as I can tell it doesn't let you combine them into one feed.
It does. But what I want is say I'm browsing using one account and I see a post. I'd like the option of commenting from one of my other signed in accounts without logging into it and navigating to the thread again.
Been using sync for years and didn't even know this was a feature 😂
Maybe it's a pro feature idk. When writing a comment the sync buttons above your keyboard, the one that looks two people. Tap it and it let's you choose what account to temporarily post from.
I see, and understand the point you were making with your original comment now. It's only a matter of time before we get other app alternatives that add these features. Maybe the Sync devs will be releasing a Lemmy client following the implementation of Reddit's API changes.
You are suggesting we make the app better suited to astroturfing?
That's going to come back to bite us.
What? No. Maybe I wasn't clear with what I wrote. Can you explain what you mean and how you got that from my comment?
They may be thinking that you were suggesting a tool that would allow multiple accounts on a server (which would promote sock-puppeting). I assume that when you said "account" you meant "server" (with a single account).
Ah, I see how that could have been unclear. Thank you.
Oof, inbuilt sock-puppeting support. Not a great look.
If someone really wants to do that then a lack of this feature isn't going to stop them.
Commenting from the Memmy App beta for iOS.
Still early days, but it’s doing the basics quite well. They and Mlem are hoping for a 6/30 App Store release, so interesting times ahead.
I'm working on an Android app as well at the moment. Will also be trying to get a basic release out later this month.
Which app?
It's working like a charm. The developer is doing the best he can to fix and improve daily. I'm super impressed!
They are two different apps with different developers/contributors and different visions.
There's huge difference in where each are in their current stage of development, but keep in mind both of the apps will look & act completely different in a few weeks.
Mlem's beta test has met it's 10K user limit, but there's still room Memmy. Give it a try. Join the Discord after and talk to the developers/contributors about what you think - they're very responsive.
Who wants to write and test the code patches? ...
::silence so pure that it is almost a sound in itself::
keep up the posting, keep up the support, keep up the donations, and it’ll happen
Will come a day when instances advertise the number of other instances they are federated with and it becomes a feature, not a bug. I'm not a fan of nazis, but also not a fan of whimsical de-federation. The magazines or subreddits that prosper and thrive will be the best moderated ones. Defederating an entire server because of one poor sub/magazine is dumb.
Host Nazi shit, host it alone.
An equivalent of multireddits would suffice, I think.
Yeah it's so odd to me that your instance aggregates everything for you as opposed to the client doing it for you.
The instance doing it is what makes this work at scale. If there are 10 big instances where most of the content is generated, the traffic between them scales linearly with the number of posts.
If your client is doing the indexing, not only is this a lot of computations for a phone that runs on a battery, but the amount of traffic for each server scales with the global number of users, which is untenable for most servers.
If you really want to be immune to defederation (not quite literally, but in the ways that matter to you), your solution is to deploy your own home instance and federate with communities you browse. This is the client that will be doing the indexing. Of course you can get individually defederated but if you're not a nuisance I can't see why.
Love your avatar. I’m going to steal the idea :)
the safari iOS experience is not great
So I’m not the only one experiencing weird jittery scrolling that jumps around on its own for no reason?
Does this jumping around happen once you get past the first page? Because if you're on the front page it will load new posts automatically which will screw with your scrolling. Idk. Why it does this but once you're on page 2 it's fine.
It happened even while I was typing the above comment. Replying to you now doesn’t seem to do it, maybe because only 2 comments are visible in this view. I guess the full comment thread also tries to load new comments automatically?
Also, scrolling around sometimes abruptly loses momentum, which is very jarring on iOS.
Yeah, I’ve been on it for a few days while I’m traveling. It’s a lot better now that cloudflare has been removed. But it’s still not great. Mostly I need more magazines. m/all is filled with the same ones over and over and they aren’t quite my vibe.
Try Mlem, it’s amazing
Sadly, looks like beta is full for now. Can't wait until it opens, though!
Sad news, I wanted to try on my iPad. When it will be release on AppStore?
the iphone app is still in development, after that it would be the ipad app and vision pro apparently
Right. So, I DuckDuckGo for Mlem and get junk about stray dogs and other random garbage. What is Mlem?
Yes and this makes sense on the surface. Cat threads on one server should be merged with cats on another server, so that I get a whole cativerse subreddit equivalent.
But then what happens when you have ambiguous terms like Tomorrow? Or when one server changes the rules in protest (like r/pics right now)?
Don't want to hastily make decisions that could lead to awful user experiences.
If all people who like cat photos converge to one community on one instance about cat photos, it means that a server crash or one goofball mod can ruin everything. If all those cat photo lovers are subscribed to 10 different cat photo communities on 10 different instances... then they'll always be connected to share cat photos, will see all the content, and no one hardware pr human problem will crash the whole community of humans who just want to share cat photos.
We'll see all 10 communities as separate communities though. I'd love to have 10 separate communities and one browser site that treats those 10 communities like one singular cat community.
Wait... Did kbin defederatate too now???
I don't think this could be "fixed" client-side. Mainly because that's the fediverse just doing what the fediverse does; it's not really broken. I don't really like it myself, but even if we had an app that pulls it all together and hides the duct tape, the fact still remains that if you interact on Beehaw communities, Beehaw users are never going to see you, your posts or your comments. You'll just be talking to yourself until such time as Behaw's admins choose to federate with us again.
From a user-experience standpoint, IMHO, the only way to clean it up on our end is to unsubscribe from all Beehaw communities so that they dont show up in your feed until Beehaw chooses to lift the shadowbans (which may never happen). Its a bummer, but they just dont want to be friends right now.
Alternatively, you can start an account on an instance everyone still federates with, but that could change too. Maybe choose a smaller instance that flies under the radar.
They added a check to their cluloudflare essentially cutting themselves off from the rest of the fediverse. They did this because their servers were struggling from the new users. They do eventually plan to reconnect with the rest of the fediverse. Also, they did this way before beehaw (and for completely different reasons)
Edit: I had old info, looks like kbin is properly federated with the rest of the fediverse now!
I thought they changed thaat a couple of days ago, thats a mega bummer. I've been subbing to magazines left and right. :(
Edit: I just asked about it on kbin.meta.... I think maybe they're in the mix again?
Yeah I’m on kbin and I’ve been getting Lemmy stuff for a few days now.
I’d really like an invite if you have one. I’m u/iwouldlikesomecoffee on Reddit if you want to verify I’m not a jerk
I don’t think you need an invite for kbin! You may be thinking of tildes?
I’d really like an invite if you have one. I’m u/iwouldlikesomecoffee on Reddit if you want to verify I’m not a jerk
I’d really like an invite if you have one. I’m u/iwouldlikesomecoffee on Reddit if you want to verify I’m not a jerk
Yeah no cloudflare check anymore from my POV...also I am replying on kbin right now!
I'm on Kbin. That was the case a few days ago when I joined, but they've since rolled it back and most of the content I'm seeing here is from Lemmy.
All I need is an iOS client that fucking works!
Yes, buying an iPhone 8 was the worst decision I ever made
Could you not do this already? If your instance defederates something that you want to see, you can just hop to another.
Yeah, but looks like they want it on the same feed
Feed is not instance-dependent. You can have an account on a different instance and have the same feed as long as those two instances have federated with the same set of other instances.
I meant a combined feed from different accounts on different instances, eliminates the need to switch accounts, also looks like OP is a response to recent fractures in fediverse where some instances defederated from others
eliminates the need to switch accounts
Why do you need to to use multiple accounts? The only scenario I can think of to switch account is, if you had an account on beehaw.org and didn't approve of the defederation. If you're on lemmy.world this won't affect you much, except in fringe cases, where beehaw.org users won't communicate with you when you post there. Alternatively, you can switch to an instance that's not defederated from beehaw.org to get the benefits of both worlds.
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WHAT DO WE WANT?
AN APP THAT COULD FEDERATE INTO A SINGLE FEED ALL OUR LEMMY/KBIN/BEEHAW ACCOUNTS EITHER THE INSTANCES ARE FEDERATED OR NOT!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE! NO PRESSURE BUT... LIKE... SOON?
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Try Mlem, it’s amazing
I'm posting from mlem and no it is missing tons of basic features that jerboa has, which is also missing tons of features. And it doesn't do the thing in OP's image
I mean a lot of us would love to but the beta is closed
Mlem does not support kbin yet
It feels like every post on Lemmy at the moment is "Why isn't this Reddit? Make it Reddit!"
"Just an idea", if you want Reddit, go to Reddit.
There's a slight difference in wanting the fediverse having the same usability as Reddit and it actually being Reddit.
My brother in christ no one wants reddit premium
We had reddit. They are going to take it away on July 1st. We are looking for a replacement. Lemmy doesn't have to be that replacement, but that is what people are looking for.
What we want is our shit in one place, without one asshole controlling what we see. Is that really such an impossible dream?
I just got here from reddit and have no idea how this place works. All I know is that if you want all the reddit users to help this place grow someone needs to do a better job of explaining how it works or it needs to get way simpler.
If you don't want all the reddit refugees that's fine too. Carry on!
Well, you joined a big instance which could have downsides. As some communities will have alrwsy decided not to share content. Either way make sure you're sorting by "all" and not "local" to get the full experience.
And I initially liked lemmy because or the small friendly community but I'm starting to run into the same issues reddit had as more people come to lemmy. Oh well!
One of the last messages from the developer of Sync had said they were considering making a Sync for Lemmy... The guy's attention to detail and customizability of Sync for Reddit has me hoping real hard for that.
Oh my god if JDL made Sync for Lemmy I would buy it yesterday. I was a Sync Dev user for like 5 years, such a great app and the developer is amazing.
Absolutely! Sync was my favorite Reddit app. It's perfect. Take my money guys.
I'm 11 years into using Sync.
My first year of college, the only smart device I had was an iPod Touch. After I found Reddit, I installed Alien Blue on the iPod as my first Reddit app experience.
A couple years later, I bought my first real smartphone, which ran Android. And I was so keen to try to find "the Alien Blue of Android" I tried probably half a dozen Reddit apps. It didn't take me long to recognize Sync as the uncontested best of the lot, and I've been using it ever since.
Until now.
Considering the Reddit API changes are leaving an enormous amount of mobile dev talent flapping in the breeze, I'm really looking forward to seeing some really innovative apps in the nearish future.
I would actually spend money on Lemmy Sync. Though I'd also love if some of the Reddit app devs went grey hat and implemented token spoofing like Twidere on Android has for Twitter - that app lets me view my Mastodon "timeline" and Twitter timeline in the same feed by telling Twitter's API that it's totally the normal iPhone Twitter app.
I've been using Jerboa for Lemmy on Android. It's pretty good so far. Still getting the hang of Lemmy in general.
There are some bugs and an advance user may not like it but for a simple lurker as myself Jeroba has been working wonders. 100% recomend
Are you really a lurker if you're already commenting? (Speaking as a recovering lurker)
Totally fair. I'm brand new today so it's been nice to play around with to get used to Lemmy. Still no idea to view things I subscribed to but I'm sure I'll learn!
I'm on Android and it seems to me like there is no other app but Jerboa for Lemmy.
Same but its incredibility buggy and unintuitive for me
It definitely has bugs. I had to load this thread 8 times to get the correct comments to load. Some of this could be user error, buts it's a free app that works pretty dang well.
I'm pretty sure its the only actively maintained app on f-droid
Yeah, it's barely working for me at all, and I've been trying it for at least a week now. Sometimes I've written out long comments only for them to just vanish forever with a little error message.
Same here.
I've gotten in the habit of copying my comments before submitting them, just in case. Including this one.
Me2. But I do not see an option to add my kbin account nor my mastodon. I think it would be cool if this feels more integrative as in one app with different sections/views for the fediverse
I wish there was a way to have one account linked to multiple instances. Admittedly I don't understand this fediverse thing so i may be wrong about this but requiring a new account for every instance will get increasingly tiresome as the site grows and more instances are created.
FWIW, any account can subscribe to any (federated) community. Right now it's really difficult to do through Jerboa itself, so I usually do it through the web app.
Is kbin.social just another community? And kbin just another app which presents said communities a bit different?
I have a mastodon, Lemmy and kbin account and would love to have one place to view all my subscribed content...
Yes. On kbin they are called magazines, but they show up as communities for me in the jerboa app even though my account is with lemmyworld.
If you have an account on an instance, you can see anything on other instances it federates with
Same... I'm pretty confused about some stuff but it's close enough to reddit to where I'm kinda figuring it out
Using it too reminds me of infinity for Reddit
I used to use Relay for reddit, and jerboa feels really familiar. It's development really picked up last release too. Still having an issue getting back to a comment context from a reply in my inbox, but I think that's a bug from last release and there's a pull request already.
I assume there isn't really any app for Lemmy on iOS? I didn't find anything. I didn't expect to, but still disappointing.
I may be just a pie-in-the-sky optimist but I think the duplicate communities thing will die down eventually. Natural selection will do it's thing and we'll all eventually settle in specific communities on specific instances.
Based on the nature of life itself all living things become specialized over time. This includes creatures, jobs, products, communities, etc. So what's likely to happen is some communities will die out or be abandoned while others will thrive and yet others will simply become more specialized.
Hypothetical example: /m/gifs on Kbin might become the place to find perfect loops and high quality/serious stuff while /m/gifs on some other instance might become the place for animated silliness.
I think "duplicated" communities is a problem even on a centralized service, to a lesser degree, since you can create a community with same intentions, but different names (e.g. c/video, c/videos). I'm also optimistic they will sort out with time
Agree, the fragmentation of communities is a stumbling block for adoption and for the coalescing of users to solidified groups that adopt identities and cultures. This is a huge advantage when looking at centralized systems like reddit. My hope is that there will be some version of natural selection but that it occurs sooner than later
Even on reddit their were multiple subreddits that were very similar. r/oculus r/oculusquest r/quest2 r/virualreality and many more ar and xr subbreddits I was subscribed to. Much of the same content were on all of them. As the user base here grows it won't be an issue, some similar communities will be bigger some smaller and there's room for everything.
Yeah i hope this happens I just hope sizable communities form faster so more adoption moves here.
Im not sure what you're saying. Personally I want to avoid one huge centralized "community" as it no longer ceases to be a community.
It makes sense to me that different userbases have different /r/funny with different content that they find funny. Otherwise you just have one appeal to the lowest common denominator content.
My concern is adoption for most people is a matter of content to interact with and if the groups are too disparate they may not foster adoption.
It is, only that on reddit you had the possibility of one r/video and one r/videos but here you have the possibility of 20+ different c/video and 20+ different c/videos so it'll take much longer to form a main community and then you have the chance of an instance suddenly disappearing for whatever reason and then the whole process starts again.
One thing I'm worried about here with the duplicated communities though is the same thing that was happening on Reddit in the last couple years, new astroturfed communities popping up with a decided slant. Like how /r/economy came out of nowhere despite /r/economics being an existing huge subreddit, and /r/economy having a noticeable conservative bent. Lemmy doesn't seem a ton more susceptible to it than Reddit was, but discovering new popular communities does seem to be very much a desired feature here.
I don't think Beehaw has it figured out, but the idea of making signups more onerous definitely makes sense to limit bots, advertisers, and state actors.
There are plenty of duplicate communities on Reddit, it doesn't really matter.
I think so too, however we need some discoverability of these instances. At the very least we should be able to easily search for and subscribe to communities from different instances, and have some UI to easily navigate these.
The thing is, due to how federation works, this cannot work. Federation is not an automatic thing that happens to instances; instances can only know about other instances if they send a request to another instance or vice versa, to discover them.
The closest thing to a solution will always be things like https://browse.feddit.de, or some implementation of opt-in relays, like the microblogging platforms use.
I need to do some reading on how the fediverse works under the hood but if browse,feddit.de has visbility of all instances then certaintly there is a way for any instance that chooses to federate to have visibility into the fediverse
It doesn't have visbility of all instances in existence, as this is impossible. What it will do is crawl the "known fediverse", which is done by crawling known instances and then crawling known instances to those known instances, and so on.
Basically, the Fediverse is just separate websites talking to each other, there is no actual fediverse entity so to speak.
That makes sense, but I am failing to see the issue. As long as one instance, or any single user from one instance makes that instance aware of the existence of another instance (currently by pasting the url of that instance in the community search), that is now visible and discoverable to all users.
Or worst case, your instance calls some aggregator, like browse.feddit.de to fetch all known instances.
All I am asking for a better UI for viewing content across these instances. What that looks like I am not totally sure. > Communities
I mean if you look at https://lemmy.world/communities/listing_type/All/page/1, you can already see a bunch of communities from other instances
I have to admit I'm not sure what you're asking anymore, what exactly would a "better UI for viewing content across these instances" be? You can already search for communities that your instance knows about (and force it to search for any instances that you know elsewhere) using the search system, and browsing the All feed will show you all posts from communities/instances that your instance knows about as well. Trying searching gaming to see what I mean
I will say the search page feels incredibly disjointed though; I think it should group all the same content (communities, posts, comments) instead of whatever it does right now.
It sounds to me like you're asking for some sort of discoverability/content recommendations, perhaps? If this is the case, the general Fediverse culture tends to be against this sort of stuff as they see them as systems that promote more screen time and unhealthy habits, instead of actually engaging with what you know you want to engage with.
That's because I am confused on what I am asking for myself, but I can't figure it out until I have discussions about it.
This is one thing. Another is a being able to possibly toggle views of different instances within one UI. Another is something like multireddits, where you can view multiple communities contents together (/r/funny from one instance, and another).
Thats a reasonable concern. The problem however I see is that if you don't have way to easily discover communities, or have a way in which communities link to each other, then you end up with a single or perhaps couple massive instances and were essentially back to where we started.
Back in the day, the single entry point of discoverability used to be Google. You'd search for some topic and come onto some forum of that topic. That's no longer really an option. If every instance is isolated on its own domain with no gateway between them, I don't see much point to the fediverse.
The biggest problem to starting a new social media alternative has been the critical mass needed. I see the fediverse as a way of solving this problem, as you already have a bunch of users/content which can be shared with new instances.
I only really want to touch upon this point, but the Fediverse platforms were originally designed as a return to the old forum-style format of communities, where you have your own little cozy corners of the internet, with your own rules and culture, while also being decentralised and resistant to the problems of centralisation.
The fediverse, however, allows you to reach outside of your own community and follow/socialise with people inside other communities seamlessly (which, in truth, it does do), negating the need of everyone having to make accounts and identities on every single site/community they come across.
The concept of having the fediverse just be thousands upon thousands of instances seamlessly all connected to each other for maximum content discoverability is only really a mindset that has occurred recently after Musk's acquisition of Twitter, and attention was put on Mastodon. Before this, people just resided in their own little communities and talked to people they knew rather than specifically looking for more people.
The developers of these platforms are looking into what they can do regarding this, but they don't want to stray far from the principles of these software platforms by making them into social media sites that are just clones of the social media sites they're trying to move away from.
I believe there's some discussion about this on the github.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3071
Some interesting ideas in that thread.
I am working on this. But I need help, shoot me a message if you're interested. https://github.com/ando818/lemmy-ui-svelte
I can't help. There is no license, so your app is proprietary. What are the goals and what needs to be implemented?
Just added the Apache License.
Goals:
My current goal is to just get the site working with all/most of the existing functionality. For that there is a lot to do. Profile/settings page, comment replies, community browser/subscriptions to name a few.
Sounds great!! I will be pendent of news about that project. Currently I'm using Jerboa. Not so bad and needs improve a lot of stuff, would be great could use Infinity for Reddit but for Lemmy. Is open source so I think it could possible, but I'm not a programmer yet. Good luck!!
Thank you! Would you be open to using a Copyleft license like GPL? Or is that not possible when releasing the app to mobile stores?
It seems like Jerboa uses GPLv3 as well, as does Bitwarden and some other open source apps. Its probably ok though it seems like it can run into trouble way down the line. Im going to keep the GPLv3 for now.
It seems that the
lemmy-js-clientlibrary you are using is licensed under AGPLv3. So I'm not sure if you are allowed to use it with your current license. You might have to make your project AGPLv3 too.The Apache License 2.0 is compatible with the GPLv3 and AGPLv3 but not the GPLv2: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#apache2. Using an AGPLv3-licensed library in an Apache 2.0-licensed program is allowed, but you must follow the AGPLv3 when conveying it, which is incompatible with the Apple app store ToS.
AGPL is a Copyleft license, so how can it be possible to use such library in an Apache licensed program? Isn't the whole idea of Copyleft to make that impossible? To make sure that nobody can take away users freedoms?
I think what they meant on gnu.org is that you can use Apache licensed code in a GPL licensed program.
The combination of an Apache-licensed program and AGPLv3-licensed library is covered by both licenses, meaning that both need to be followed. This does not change the license of the program itself - the library could be replaced. Somebody could take away the users' freedoms, but they would need to replace the library.
Just did some reading and it indeed does seem like GPL is not allowed in app stores as it does not allow any further restrictions (such as Apples store's requirements).
I have to do some research.
I might try my hand at contributing. I have yet to do any open source development but really want to work on something lemmy related.
Interesting. Is this easier to work in than React Native?
I am not a fan of React, so in my opinion, yes. The substantial difference here is this isn't native, its just a webapp that looks and feels just like a native application. The nice thing here is its just vanilla JS/CSS/HTML.
Not a bad start! Best of luck.
I like that you chose Sveltekit, and the project structure seems pretty good. But there's a lot to fix. The page load takes way too long (you should be using #await whenever possible), and the design is very messy.
If I may suggest, I think you should be using a UI framework. It will keep you in-line, and give you good defaults, and maybe even save you time. I feel like Carbon is a good match for this sort of app. But If you don't like it, Skeleton also seems like a good choice.
Also, imho you should be using display: flex a lot more! (or grid)
Either way, I like the initiative. I might be able to help out a little bit here and there, but I can't make any promises.
Good luck!
My coding style has always been to get out the core functionality then fix everything up, definitely not for everyone. Might be something I need to reconsider when working with others.
I love carbon, but I chose Ionic is because its very suited for mobile development. On the other hand it seems to have very severe limitations for mobile so it seems I have to pull in something else in as well.
I will, though part of the reason its slow is because its hitting lemmys backend over the network, as opposed to just a local network in a normal setup.
Please let me know when you have a discussion place for lemmy-ui-svelte - want to keep up on daily and try to contribute
Is there a reason why you mixed js and ts?
Maybe he wants to live dangerously?
Where is the backend?
Right now its just fetching from lemmy.world. But I have my own instance on the same server as the front end client I can point it to.
Oof I can't do web dev. Good luck with the project though.
I'm attempting to set up a self hosted instance so that I can control who I'm Federated with or not. Probably will just keep it open though, and I'd have to be a real asshole to get my instance defederated anywhere lmao.
Can you do us all a favor and blog about your experience setting this up and running it somewhere? I'll follow you 👍
I was thinking about making my own Federated kbin-like server (writing the code from scratch) as an academic exercise. I'm a full stack developer and it's the perfect thing to hone my non-embedded (full
std) Rust skills and freshen my JavaScript skills.I have several side projects going on at the moment (that I've been working on constantly for almost three years straight) and I need a mental break from that. I'd love to learn what's a pain in the ass VS what's good from a semi-layman's perspective so I can make something better.
I'm currently running my own instance for this exact purpose, and have helped another user setup their public instance. It's really quite simple! Just follow the instructions in the lemmy-ansible repo and the script should do most everything for you.
I'm running my instance from a Linode dedicated 2CPU 4GB RAM instance, where the friend I helped is running on a $5/mo 1CPU/2GB RAM Linode instance. Both are running Ubuntu 24.04LTS as I found that the newer non-LTS version has some issues out of the box.
I setup the credentials per the Ansible instructions and the script did the rest for me.
Do you think you could do this using Oracle's "forever-free" tier?
I've never used anything Oracle out of principle, but there is an ARM build of Lemmy. If you get it working then document your findings and share them
Just posted my compose for an arm oracle box. The other day. It works pretty well and if u switch to pay as you go but stay under ur limits I think they won't take you down as easily.
Edit https://lemmy.death916.xyz/post/3068
As someone who's been forced to use Oracle products many times in the past I nod to your standards and tip my hat for your sound judgement 👍
Hall-effect fediverse client when?
Ahaha, someone who knows
Adding over-engineered hardware into the mix isn't out of the question 😁
This is the solution. With enough small instances, not only do we provide a wide range of options to users, but we also distribute the hosting costs across the community.
Blacklisting is not the only problem. Some instances will white list and you won't be able to see them.
Yeah or you have to have a different opinion with some instances, but most of those you don't really want to be a part of
Hopefully we don’t end up with a few large instances that will only federate with each other, I’m seeing how things go for now but I might end up doing what you’re doing as well (especially if we get the option to migrate accounts)
Hopefully we don’t end up with a few large instances that will only federate with each other, I’m seeing how things go for now but I might end up doing what you’re doing as well (especially if we get the option to migrate accounts)
I feel for all the devs in any way associated with current activities. We need this and this and this and this. Bloody, hell, man. I know, know. Me too!
Thanks to all the amazing contributors out there!
Yes! I was just reading a post from the authors of Lemmy on lemmy.ml, and noticed I was not logged in. I assume that because lemmy.ml is another instance, I can't log in with my usual lemmy.world credentials, but since it is federated I should be able to post, correct? However, I am not sure how, and I think a lot of people would just try logging in normally, since it's just Lemmy, right? Lemmy.ml might be safe, but I think it could be possible to confuse people into entering their password for fediverse sites on malicious instances, which steal their credentials. It's a little bit confusing to noobs like myself to be honest.
An app that can manage credentials and post properly across compatible instances and show informative messages to notify the user if and why they cannot post would be very useful, managing multiple accounts seamlessly even more useful!
Well think about it with this crude kind of inaccurate analogy.
You have a windows laptop. Your friend has a windows laptop. When you're logged in to your laptop you can send your friend email. And see his emails to you.
But just because your laptop is windows and his laptop is windows doesn't mean your windows log-in would work on his right? Lemmy works more like that. Reddit is kind of like one large windows laptop and everyone gets their own keyboard. Your log in works no matter which keyboard you use.
You may notice that Lemmy communities have the @ symbol like an email. So tech@lemmy.world is different from tech@lemmy.ml (just like how robert@yahoo.com is not the same account as robert@gmail.com). They MAY be made by the same Robert but there's no guarantee.
You really just need one account. So in the communities tab from your instance (Lemmy.world) you can search for the community on the other instance (Lemmy.ml) for example tech@lemmy.ml.
Your account let's you post and comment on @lemmy.ml posts
Even when you understand all that, though, it does just feel weird and unintuitive that you have to search for the community you want to interact with from within your home instance, and can't just directly go to that instance's website, e.g. beehaw.org, and log in.
Having an app (including a desktop app) to point people to that would just consolidate everything for a given user so that it's more intuitive, and so that you can easily switch between accounts or set it up to see posts from all your accounts together, would make it a lot easier on newbies, and make navigation more convenient for everyone else as well.
Coming from reddit is fun app, I don't really understand how what you're proposing would work. You want the same functionality of having a separate account on each instance, but consolidated into one app to easy switch between accounts/instances, right?
If we translate this use case into the existing rif app layout, the subreddit selector panel on the left would need to have like lemmy instances instead of subreddits, with communities nested under each instance.
So you would have a different frontpage for each instance, which consisted of only the posts for communities hosted by that instance. Maybe I'm on the wrong track here, or you have a better idea of how it'd work.
How is that better or more intuitive than just having one personal frontpage for all of your subscribed communities? That way you don't even need to make a conscious decision to browse beehaw posts, they're just in the same feed as everything else.
I feel like it's more about the way you're thinking about posts being hosted on a particular server and what that means. In the context of Lemmy it only means something where the post you want is on an instance that's been defederated from for whatever reason, and even then only in terms of community discovery. Otherwise it's kinda meaningless in terms of your interaction with posts.
Thinking of the given community as a community 'on beehaw' per se is only really pertinent in cases where the fact it's on beehaw alone has some kind of impact on how you interact with it, e.g moderation style. But even in that case, moderation style could equally be an attribute you ascribe to the community itself, rather than beehaw. e.g. preferring r/games over r/gaming.
This way it makes more sense to think of the community as a lemmy community than a beehaw one, which seems fairly intuitive to me. Plus, that way the instance is doing the link aggregation and not your phone, which would be problematic for users and for scaling the ecosystem
GNU + Linux laptop
I think the difference is whether you’re viewing lemmy.ml directly (as in, the URL in your browser starts with https://lemmy.ml), or whether you’re viewing it through lemmy.world.
I wish there was a "log in from other instance" button, but I don't know how you'd implement that.
I expected the same and became confused trying to log in another instance.
I.w
for example, you can see other lemmy.ml community and post there by going to its @ like putting
https://lemmy.world/c/asklemmy@lemmy.mlin the address bar, lets you access asklemmy on lemmy.ml via lemmy.world, and I think you can directly post to that community without login again with that instance's credential.I have not seen the need to manage multiple accounts so far. I am logged into thelemmy.club but am subscribed to lemmy.world which works fine since it is federated. I am able to reply to you from thelemmy.club. Most of the content I follow is from other (non club) servers and have not had any issues interacting with people.
You would need a separate account to participate in instances your home instance isn't federated with, ie anyone logged into lemmy.world would need a different account to use beehaw
I think this is where I lucked out when I had so many issues creating an account on lemmy.world. I ended up making an account at thelemmy.club instead and it seems I can see and respond to all content from here so far.
View Lemmy.ml from the Lemmy.world instance
This is a non issue tbh.
We will get there. I'm having a shit load of fun on here with you guys.
The nature of this platform is so that what we need will gradually happen based on the work we put it. I'm not into tech anything so I'm just thinking here.
I'm literally here for the journey
Since instances love to defederate so much, we need an app to connect everything together again.
Hyperbole?
Not really
-Giuseppe Garibaldi
"The Federated Universe is neither federated nor universal" - Voltaire
Just like Random Variables
What about this Garibaldi
Lemmy creators are overloaded with the massive afflux of people generating 100s of bug reports and questions on top of all their work.
Make sure you donate to help them spend more time on the project!
https://join-lemmy.org/donate
This may be the (realistic) “fix” to duplicate communities in multiple instances. No fix on the server end, just* a reader app that can amalgamate the feeds so it is transparent to the end user.
* and by “just a reader” I’m naturally referring to a Herculean effort to make a simple, beautiful app that’s cross-platform capable and which a noob can navigate without having to actually understand the fediverse.
holy shit we're devolving back to rage memes? Last I saw this shit I rode a yellow bus to school
How long was this bus
as my girlfriend likes to tell me, length isn't relevant.
Is the bus purple now or something?
c/thebusispurple
We need a better solution for fedichains
I wonder if there is a country or municipality somewhere where the busses are purple. They can't all be yellow, surely.
@Lemmyin I just want that Infinity for Reddit get Lemmy and Kbin added to it.
By far the best Reddit client. I really love the gesture navigation on it.
There's no other app close to it.
For me it was Relay. Absolutely perfect in every way, and the gesture navigation was so intuitive. Currently using jerboa for Lemmy and excited to see where it goes or what other apps become available for it
I was looking the jerboa page and it called Lemmy a “federated” alternative to Reddit. What does federated mean in this context?
It's it's own platform, but there's other platforms that cross talk and are all one for the end user.
It's basically reddits within reddits within reddits all communicating with eachother. There is a connect point between them, the individual instances, and they are ran by people willing to do so, they control the flow of communication based on the communities needs, in theory.
A greedy company can't block your access.
I'm constantly swiping on comments and posts.
Relay is amazing. At this point I couldn't give a shit if reddit ever goes back to "normal" but I'll hate giving up Relay. If only there was some way to log in to Lemmy on Relay.
Don't quote her on this but I think someone is or was working on a wrapper to translate API calls from Reddit to Lemmy. In theory that would make it possible for 3rd party devs like Relay to change the end points to Lemmy. Big if true.
Agree! You will pay thesubscription after 30 June? I don't want to because I don't want support Reddit new policies not even with a penny. Would be for the dev, but also would be money for the Reddit's dirty hands.
@solidsnake911 I'm not going to pay.
Why pay to use a platform that's already making money with my personal data or the data that I post on Reddit?
That's why paying makes no sense. Like paying for having online games on a console. I'm not into that stupid idea, that's why I play on PC and pay for internet to my ISP.
Paying to any console company to play online games is like paying to the mafia for "protection".
Same applies to Reddit.
I'm not falling in those mafia techniques.
I was looking at jerboa and it called Lemmy a “federated” alternative to Reddit. What does federated mean in this context?
It refers to the fact that communities belong to a specific instance. These instances can federate, as in "be a whole, made out of two", or stay separate and stay isolated
There is no central Lemmy servers. Everyone can run a Lemmy server, which is called an instance. The instances talk together and sync posts and comments between them.
The admin of an instance (usually the owner of the server) is in total control of what goes and what does not on the instance, and which other instances to federate (sync) with.
When you create a community, you choose an instance that the community lives on. The community is then in the hands of the admin of that instance and the mods assigned by the admin to that community.
I don't think this going to happen but we can wish
Jerboa does this. I get content from all instances and I can block and subscribe as I want. I have no complaints at all as of yet. If you are using android, I highly suggest using jerboa
I'm using Jerboa now with multiple accounts. Currently you have to select which account you're actively using. Each account has separate feed/subscriptions, which I prefer.
I don't see an option for 1 combined feed with all accounts subscriptions. Would be nice to have as an option though.
Also using Jerboa right now. Enjoying it
Also on Jerboa; I can only see your posts and comments.
Subscriptions should only be stored on your home instance (that's why Lemmy surfaces monthly active users instead of subscribers) and the instance owners could see it somewhere but they are not world visible, no. However, upvotes are world-visible as far as I know, it's just that the UI doesn't show them.
Jerboa works, but doesn't seem to handle the inbox well. I see replies to my comments, but I can't tap that reply to get to the thread
Jerboa has been great for me too!
mlem beta for iOS works this way, too, you just have to download TestFlight to use it
Disregard that, the beta’s full atm
I'm actually kind of enjoying the partitioned nature of the fed. I use the Jerboa app when on mobile to access Lemmy, and when I'm on my PC I use kbin.
When I was on reddit, I'd switch from mobile to PC or vice versa and just see all the content I just browsed on my other device. Now it's a fresh batch every time I make the switch (which is pretty regularly!).
That said, I wouldn't be opposed to a unifier. I remember back when AOL Instant Messenger and the 5 or so similar IM services were the cream of the internet, and keeping up with friends on each was a real pain in the ass. Then a program called "Trillian" came along and linked them all together with one clean interface, and it was fucking amazing. I could definitely see the fed benefiting from a similar service.
Trillian was good stuff. Then came Pidgin, which was free and open source if I recall correctly. At one point I had AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Gtalk, and ICQ all going at once.
Pidgin was the (bird) shit
Oh wow, I haven't thought about trillian in years!
I'm waiting for an account switcher like Sync has. You could log in to one, type a comment and before submitting choose one of your other logged in accts to comment from.
Pretty sure Jerboa on Android has the ability to add multiple accounts.
Yes, it absolutely does.
It does, but as far as I can tell it doesn't let you combine them into one feed.
Also MLEM on iOS
https://sh.itjust.works/c/mlemapp@lemmy.ml
It does. But what I want is say I'm browsing using one account and I see a post. I'd like the option of commenting from one of my other signed in accounts without logging into it and navigating to the thread again.
Been using sync for years and didn't even know this was a feature 😂
Maybe it's a pro feature idk. When writing a comment the sync buttons above your keyboard, the one that looks two people. Tap it and it let's you choose what account to temporarily post from.
I see, and understand the point you were making with your original comment now. It's only a matter of time before we get other app alternatives that add these features. Maybe the Sync devs will be releasing a Lemmy client following the implementation of Reddit's API changes.
You are suggesting we make the app better suited to astroturfing?
That's going to come back to bite us.
What? No. Maybe I wasn't clear with what I wrote. Can you explain what you mean and how you got that from my comment?
They may be thinking that you were suggesting a tool that would allow multiple accounts on a server (which would promote sock-puppeting). I assume that when you said "account" you meant "server" (with a single account).
Ah, I see how that could have been unclear. Thank you.
Oof, inbuilt sock-puppeting support. Not a great look.
If someone really wants to do that then a lack of this feature isn't going to stop them.
Commenting from the Memmy App beta for iOS.
Still early days, but it’s doing the basics quite well. They and Mlem are hoping for a 6/30 App Store release, so interesting times ahead.
I'm working on an Android app as well at the moment. Will also be trying to get a basic release out later this month.
Which app?
It's working like a charm. The developer is doing the best he can to fix and improve daily. I'm super impressed!
https://testflight.apple.com/join/6jaRU6rD
It's working like a charm. The developer is doing the best he can to fix and improve daily. I'm super impressed!
https://testflight.apple.com/join/6jaRU6rD
What is the difference between mlem and memmy?
They are two different apps with different developers/contributors and different visions.
There's huge difference in where each are in their current stage of development, but keep in mind both of the apps will look & act completely different in a few weeks.
Mlem's beta test has met it's 10K user limit, but there's still room Memmy. Give it a try. Join the Discord after and talk to the developers/contributors about what you think - they're very responsive.
Who wants to write and test the code patches? ...
::silence so pure that it is almost a sound in itself::
keep up the posting, keep up the support, keep up the donations, and it’ll happen
Will come a day when instances advertise the number of other instances they are federated with and it becomes a feature, not a bug. I'm not a fan of nazis, but also not a fan of whimsical de-federation. The magazines or subreddits that prosper and thrive will be the best moderated ones. Defederating an entire server because of one poor sub/magazine is dumb.
Host Nazi shit, host it alone.
An equivalent of multireddits would suffice, I think.
Yeah it's so odd to me that your instance aggregates everything for you as opposed to the client doing it for you.
The instance doing it is what makes this work at scale. If there are 10 big instances where most of the content is generated, the traffic between them scales linearly with the number of posts.
If your client is doing the indexing, not only is this a lot of computations for a phone that runs on a battery, but the amount of traffic for each server scales with the global number of users, which is untenable for most servers.
If you really want to be immune to defederation (not quite literally, but in the ways that matter to you), your solution is to deploy your own home instance and federate with communities you browse. This is the client that will be doing the indexing. Of course you can get individually defederated but if you're not a nuisance I can't see why.
Love your avatar. I’m going to steal the idea :)
the safari iOS experience is not great
So I’m not the only one experiencing weird jittery scrolling that jumps around on its own for no reason?
Does this jumping around happen once you get past the first page? Because if you're on the front page it will load new posts automatically which will screw with your scrolling. Idk. Why it does this but once you're on page 2 it's fine.
It happened even while I was typing the above comment. Replying to you now doesn’t seem to do it, maybe because only 2 comments are visible in this view. I guess the full comment thread also tries to load new comments automatically?
Also, scrolling around sometimes abruptly loses momentum, which is very jarring on iOS.
Yeah, I’ve been on it for a few days while I’m traveling. It’s a lot better now that cloudflare has been removed. But it’s still not great. Mostly I need more magazines. m/all is filled with the same ones over and over and they aren’t quite my vibe.
Try Mlem, it’s amazing
Sadly, looks like beta is full for now. Can't wait until it opens, though!
Sad news, I wanted to try on my iPad. When it will be release on AppStore?
the iphone app is still in development, after that it would be the ipad app and vision pro apparently
Thank you. I'll be waiting.
or better, join the development. It is open source
or better, join the development. It is open source
Right. So, I DuckDuckGo for Mlem and get junk about stray dogs and other random garbage. What is Mlem?
Yes and this makes sense on the surface. Cat threads on one server should be merged with cats on another server, so that I get a whole cativerse subreddit equivalent.
But then what happens when you have ambiguous terms like Tomorrow? Or when one server changes the rules in protest (like r/pics right now)?
Don't want to hastily make decisions that could lead to awful user experiences.
If all people who like cat photos converge to one community on one instance about cat photos, it means that a server crash or one goofball mod can ruin everything. If all those cat photo lovers are subscribed to 10 different cat photo communities on 10 different instances... then they'll always be connected to share cat photos, will see all the content, and no one hardware pr human problem will crash the whole community of humans who just want to share cat photos.
We'll see all 10 communities as separate communities though. I'd love to have 10 separate communities and one browser site that treats those 10 communities like one singular cat community.
Wait... Did kbin defederatate too now???
I don't think this could be "fixed" client-side. Mainly because that's the fediverse just doing what the fediverse does; it's not really broken. I don't really like it myself, but even if we had an app that pulls it all together and hides the duct tape, the fact still remains that if you interact on Beehaw communities, Beehaw users are never going to see you, your posts or your comments. You'll just be talking to yourself until such time as Behaw's admins choose to federate with us again.
From a user-experience standpoint, IMHO, the only way to clean it up on our end is to unsubscribe from all Beehaw communities so that they dont show up in your feed until Beehaw chooses to lift the shadowbans (which may never happen). Its a bummer, but they just dont want to be friends right now.
Alternatively, you can start an account on an instance everyone still federates with, but that could change too. Maybe choose a smaller instance that flies under the radar.
They added a check to their cluloudflare essentially cutting themselves off from the rest of the fediverse. They did this because their servers were struggling from the new users. They do eventually plan to reconnect with the rest of the fediverse. Also, they did this way before beehaw (and for completely different reasons)
Edit: I had old info, looks like kbin is properly federated with the rest of the fediverse now!
I thought they changed thaat a couple of days ago, thats a mega bummer. I've been subbing to magazines left and right. :(
Edit: I just asked about it on kbin.meta.... I think maybe they're in the mix again?
Yeah I’m on kbin and I’ve been getting Lemmy stuff for a few days now.
I’d really like an invite if you have one. I’m u/iwouldlikesomecoffee on Reddit if you want to verify I’m not a jerk
I don’t think you need an invite for kbin! You may be thinking of tildes?
I’d really like an invite if you have one. I’m u/iwouldlikesomecoffee on Reddit if you want to verify I’m not a jerk
I’d really like an invite if you have one. I’m u/iwouldlikesomecoffee on Reddit if you want to verify I’m not a jerk
Yeah no cloudflare check anymore from my POV...also I am replying on kbin right now!
I'm on Kbin. That was the case a few days ago when I joined, but they've since rolled it back and most of the content I'm seeing here is from Lemmy.
All I need is an iOS client that fucking works!
Yes, buying an iPhone 8 was the worst decision I ever made
Could you not do this already? If your instance defederates something that you want to see, you can just hop to another.
Yeah, but looks like they want it on the same feed
Feed is not instance-dependent. You can have an account on a different instance and have the same feed as long as those two instances have federated with the same set of other instances.
I meant a combined feed from different accounts on different instances, eliminates the need to switch accounts, also looks like OP is a response to recent fractures in fediverse where some instances defederated from others
Why do you need to to use multiple accounts? The only scenario I can think of to switch account is, if you had an account on beehaw.org and didn't approve of the defederation. If you're on lemmy.world this won't affect you much, except in fringe cases, where beehaw.org users won't communicate with you when you post there. Alternatively, you can switch to an instance that's not defederated from beehaw.org to get the benefits of both worlds.
Image Transcription: Meme Comic
['All The Things' variant - a four panel comic featuring an enthusiastic, wide eyed stick figure character shouting with an arm raised above their head, drawn in a simplistic style using 'Microsoft Paint'. The first and third panel feature the character holding a broom in their other hand and facing the right, with a bright yellow spiky backdrop, indicating excitement. The second and fourth panel are placed to the right, featuring the same character copied three times without the broom or yellow backdrop, facing left, to mimic a crowd responding to the original statement.]
WHAT DO WE WANT?
AN APP THAT COULD FEDERATE INTO A SINGLE FEED ALL OUR LEMMY/KBIN/BEEHAW ACCOUNTS EITHER THE INSTANCES ARE FEDERATED OR NOT!
WHEN DO WE WANT IT?
AS SOON AS POSSIBLE! NO PRESSURE BUT... LIKE... SOON?
^I'm a human volunteer transcribing posts in a format compatible with screen readers, for blind and visually impaired users!^
Try Mlem, it’s amazing
I'm posting from mlem and no it is missing tons of basic features that jerboa has, which is also missing tons of features. And it doesn't do the thing in OP's image
I mean a lot of us would love to but the beta is closed
Mlem does not support kbin yet
It feels like every post on Lemmy at the moment is "Why isn't this Reddit? Make it Reddit!"
"Just an idea", if you want Reddit, go to Reddit.
There's a slight difference in wanting the fediverse having the same usability as Reddit and it actually being Reddit.
My brother in christ no one wants reddit premium
We had reddit. They are going to take it away on July 1st. We are looking for a replacement. Lemmy doesn't have to be that replacement, but that is what people are looking for.
What we want is our shit in one place, without one asshole controlling what we see. Is that really such an impossible dream?
I just got here from reddit and have no idea how this place works. All I know is that if you want all the reddit users to help this place grow someone needs to do a better job of explaining how it works or it needs to get way simpler.
If you don't want all the reddit refugees that's fine too. Carry on!
Well, you joined a big instance which could have downsides. As some communities will have alrwsy decided not to share content. Either way make sure you're sorting by "all" and not "local" to get the full experience.
And I initially liked lemmy because or the small friendly community but I'm starting to run into the same issues reddit had as more people come to lemmy. Oh well!