Bitcoin is Stupid and Does Not Deserve an Emoji (blog post)
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35 crypto companies got together to make a change dot org petition called "Bitcoin Deserves an Emoji".
F that
35 crypto companies got together to make a change dot org petition called "Bitcoin Deserves an Emoji".
F that
I don't mind there being an emoji for cryptocurrency. It's a relevant thing in modern society whether we like it or not, so there's no reason it should be excluded. But just not Bitcoin, specifically. Even though Bitcoin is the one that kicked off crypto, it's still a brand name, which would result in auto-rejection according to the Unicode Consortium's guidelines.
If there was a more general-purpose icon/symbol that could represent cryptocurrency in general, that'd be more appropriate. But it can't be Bitcoin.
They already have that, ๐ฉ
๐ฉ๐ช
Poopmoon?
Its a coin emoji, but its one of those emoji that get rendered wildly different depending on which device (and software version) youโre viewing it on
Wait it is a coin! What the what!
Hah, poop coin! For me it's like realistic moon without face, just like Samsung quality moon photo.
lol shitcoin
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I mean it has its issues but a non regulated currency not controlled by a government is cool imo
Its supposed benefits are vastly overshadowed by their only practical application: allowing online crime to flourish.
Criminals use what works. So therefore that means that crypto actually does its job as a real currency that cannot be controlled. Criminals also have a habit of using auto mobiles, guns, computers, shoes, etc.
If criminals only used cars from brand X and nobody else used brand X, it would be viewed the same.
There are plenty of currencies out there, which normal people use. Cryptocurrencies are mainly used by criminals though.
Chain analysis companies whose whole reason for existing is selling exchanges and governments software to track illicit cryptocurrency transactions show that less than 1% of transactions are illicit in nature. So I don't know how that means the majority of crypto is used for illicit finance.
Had to go out and find a source myself.
https://www.europol.europa.eu/cms/sites/default/files/documents/Europol%20Spotlight%20-%20Cryptocurrencies%20-%20Tracing%20the%20evolution%20of%20criminal%20finances.pdf
Private companies say less than 1%. Academia says around 20%. That's a huge difference to only cite one side of the story.
That's a good point. It's pretty safe to assume that private companies would want to downplay it as much as possible and academia for governments and shit would want to play it up as much as possible. So the real number probably truly lies somewhere in between those two.
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ drug users gotta get their drugs
The main issue is that it tries to fix government trust issues with private actors trust issues. It's still trust issues
I wouldn't think Bitcoin has, or can, be trademarked or copyrighted, as it is an open-source protocol/technology where even the creator is unknown?
Either way there isn't a generic symbol for cryptocurrency. This emoji will go the way of the save icon, where in a couple generations most people will have no idea what it relates to, but know that it's a symbol for cryptos.
It's still the name of a specific product/service. The issue is partly trademark/copyright, but also partly a matter of neutrality. The Unicode Consortium want to ensure that they're not directly or indirectly endorsing any specific products. If they added a Bitcoin logo, then you'd see every other crypto lining up to get their logos permanently installed on every person's devices, too. Free advertising for life on 99.99% of phones would be hard to pass up.
I mean, we have a symbol for effectively any currency that anyone can or wants to fill out the paperwork for and can demonstrate the basics of "this is a meaningful symbol with more than transient relevance".
They added โฟ in 2016.
https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/category/Sc
So, if there's already a symbol in Unicode, the petition doesn't make any sense. They should ask Google and Apple to display the symbol in the emoji list, with a control character to force it as emoji.
Totally. It's double weird, because it's not a petitionable issue, it's a form where you make your case and a committee decides, and they already have the symbol and they just seem to want it to be usable like ๐ฒ, which isn't a thing.
Surely the Tokyo tower is a specific product then? ๐ผIt costs money to visit, aren't the other towers jealous?
https://unicode.org/emoji/proposals.html#Faulty_Comparison
It was added when Unicode Consortium had different guidelines. They donโt accept specific buildings anymore.
Under automatically declined:
Thanks for the explanation
https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/20bf/index.htm
Satoshi Nakamoto.
https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
The creator of bitcoin is as unknown as batman's identity. The folks at the center of the main blockchain companies and stuff like that all know pretty well who created it, they just play along with the story.
if this is true, there would be some evidence
Satoshi Nakamoto is some kind of consipracy...?
https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf
The problem with having cryptocurrency as emoji is agreeing on the specification how it should be drawn, and also make it different enough from already existing emojis such as coin ๐ช. It is not exactly a tangible thing.
I don't think it should have an emoji either, but how does this rule apply to real currencies being emojis? I mean there is dollar banknote ๐ต and yen banknote ๐ด and euro banknote ๐ถ as separate emojis, not just a general money one. And honestly, even most of the emojis referencing anything that has to do with money uses dollar signs, i.e. $. Were these rules made after these emojis were already added?
It probably falls under faulty comparison:
https://unicode.org/emoji/proposals.html#Faulty_Comparison
Their guidelines change, and itโs possible these emoji were added with old guidelines. They canโt remove old emoji, which means specific buildings like Tokyo Tower๐ผis an emoji, even if they prohibit the addition of specific buildings nowadays.
I saw this get brought up a lot. I think the difference is that currency symbols generally don't refer to a specific currency. USD and AUS both use the $ symbol, for example. "Dollar" and "American Dollar" aren't the same thing since other types of dollars exist, and the symbols are still technically multi-purpose, whereas the โฟ symbol technically refers only to Bitcoin.
That's my theory on the reasoning, at least.
Why in the world would you have "emojis" as part of Unicode anyway?
We already have a way to have endless "emojis" without administrative stupidity, it's called JPEG.
If you need to show text as that, we've had smileys since 90s.
Would you rather send an entire JPEG over text message for an emoji? Or just 4 bytes of unicode right inline where you want it? Unicode having a standard set of emoji is actually incredibly useful and reduces complexity. I guess it would disincentivize ๐ emoji ๐ spam ๐ to use JPEGs tho.
Just send the file hash and only download a copy if you don't have it.
I'd send :-} and :-\ and =P and D= instead of an emoji. As the founding fathers intended.
You do that. ๐
There's even more use cases that come up, like being able to use emoji and other fancy symbols anywhere unicode is supported. So you can even program with them. People have taken that idea to the extreme just for fun: https://www.emojicode.org/
We also need a McDonaldโs emoji, Pepsi emoji, Windows emoji and Mastercard emoji. These are also brands that are heavily ingrained in our culture. Probably even more so than Bitcoin.
Or we accept that brands like Bitcoin shouldnโt use emoji as a marketing tool.
probably? shitcoin isn't even in the same
ballparkuniverse as something like McDonald's or Pepsi.bitcoin is not a company.
Also not a brand, in the trademark sense
๐ <<< Only one brand sells French fries / Chips in this format. And it's the super-size format.
Unicode Consortium decide which emoji should be included. Itโs up to each vendor themselves to come up with how they should look like. I donโt think Unicode Consortium explicitly state it must look like McDonaldโs fries.
No. But the description of the Emoji is French Fries in a red carton.
Now I can't be absolutely certain only McDonald's sells french fries in a red carton, nor do I know if red french fry cartons are trademarked (answers to these questions evaded simple websearches) but I have never seen french fries sold in red cartons outside of McDonald's.
If you do find non-McDonald's french fries sold in a red carton, please point them out.
At KFC theyโre in a red plastic box of the same format. Canโt buy them cuz of reusable packaging laws in France, but thatโs what I thought first when I saw this emoji
That's fair. I had forgotten KFC made their own version of fries and boxed them in red.
Red carton is chosen because thatโs how itโs commonly depicted in cartoon images.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=french+fries+cartoon&t=h_&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images
The red and white stripes are the generic 50's era diner fries. Flat red was introduced by McDonald's in the 1980s extra-large and super-size cartons. (Before that McDonald's fries were sold in white waxed-paper envelopes.
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hail emoji?
It already has a codepoint. โฟ
You don't get a new Emoji by creating a change .org petition lol
You need to write a proper proposal and send it to the Unicode consortium: https://unicode.org/emoji/proposals.html. If it gets rejected, it's four years until you can reapply for the same Emoji.
A Bitcoin emoji was rejected in 2020 i doubt it will be any different this time.
Yeah I doubt it'd be approved... I was just saying that there's an actual process that has to be followed. The Unicode consortium aren't going to care about a Change .org partition that gets maybe 20k signatures at most given billions of people use Unicode and they've got proper processes to go through.
I absolutely agree with you.
Overnight a terrible proposal on the first day, get it rejected for everyone for four years
(I know theyโd look at others)
Short reminder that Bitcoin was created as a reaction on the world finance crisis and to allow people like Assange to receive donations, because PayPal and similar just blocked them...
That does not mean that Botcoin is perfect, but: If the alternative system was perfect, there was not bitcoin.
Now, do we need an emoji? I don't care TBH..
I don't mind a system like bitcoin existing but bitcoin itself has way too many problems to be useful and actually is detrimental to the environment. It takes way too long to process a transaction, it is massively energy intensive for what it is, and it's been hyped up like the Californian gold Rush.
Sure it was created to solve a problem but it doesn't actually solve that problem very effectively. It also introduces an infinite number of new problems that no other currency system has ever experienced.
Infinite problems, eh? Can you name like 10?
Bitcoin is terrible for that though. High transaction fees, slow transaction speeds, everyone can see your balances and transactions (and with KYC requirements it's very easy to link a wallet and a coin to a person).
Monero is the only digital currency worth having.
Monero is great. Except for the fact that when the dev team dislikes what miners are doing, they introduce a new arbitrary rule, and everyone just goes with it. Having a process to introduce such changes unilaterally is a bug that needs to be fixed first.
Also, there's a lightning network which allows you to transact bitcoin fast and cheap. Although the privacy aspect is still not solved there.
If boobs don't have their emoji, bitcoin doesn't deserve it either!
We have an established tradition to represent sexual characteristics with fruit. ๐, ๐, ๐ ๐.
To be fair, I whenever I go to market and see the eggplants, I feel inadequate. Also in the last decade many of the more classical substitutes have emerged in the emoji library. ๐ถ๏ธ, ๐ฅ, ๐ฅ๐ฅ, ๐ฎ, ๐ช, ๐, ๐๐
what's the cookie supposed to mean?
I think the same thing as ๐, or ๐ฎ, but in the context of pleasantly getting a peek due to a brief wardrobe malfunction. At least that's the context in which I've seen it.
Emoji? Why not unicode character like $ or โฌ?
Edit: Dear OP, please stop popularizing these โฟrat's marketing ideas
This is how you end up with weird Unicode characters like ๐ก.
Your comment lead me to this overview:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Unicode_chart_Bamum_Supplement
Here you'll find all the evergreens such as these, among many others:
๐ ๐ก ๐ข ๐ขฏ ๐ฃ ๐ฃ ๐ค ๐ฅ ๐คซ ๐ง ๐จฐ
โฟ like this?
That actually makes sense, that's why
Like this? โฟ
This will likely be rejected for one the same reasons that they decided they would not add any new flag emojis. Flags come and go. Bitcoin hasn't even been around for 20 years yet, and its future is highly uncertain.
Also, considered as a currency, it would be better as a regular text character, not an emoji. Like $, โฌ, ยฅ, ยฃ, etc.
I actually don't mind it being added as a text character because then I can actually use it. Using it as an emoji is useless to everyone other than the crypto bros that want to spam it on Twitter.
It already exists: โฟ
Where are you unable to use emojis?
I don't know about strictly "unable" but there are a million contexts where it is a bad idea and simply not done. Like a spreadsheet or financial document. Or anywhere you want your text to behave like text โ with a consistent font, color, style, etc. The difference between $ (text) and ๐ฒ (emoji) is pretty stark in most contexts.
For example, on the dark background of the UI I am viewing your comment on, The $ symbol is in white colour (as the font has been set).
But the emoji is dark grey, and wouldn't be visible if I had a cheap, low contrast monitor.
For me it looks like this:
So the text one appears the same for both of us but the emoji one appears differently which could possibly change its meaning if they were different enough
Probably because the emoji fonts don't change their colour with the
font.color, which normal characters do.And your browser is using a different font from mine
Technically, emoji doesn't even have specific flags, they just have country codes, conforming to the ISO list - actually choosing which flags will be included is up to the individual implemeters. Regional flags got a little bit complicated because they need to establish the conventions first.
Cryptocurrency is speedrunning ruining everything. We might as well have a laugh at the cryptobros' expense in the meantime.
I loved the concept at first, the idea of a decentralized currency all handled by encryption, and transactions permamently stored in a public ledger for all to see.
Then the cryptobros and the scammers caught wind of it and it's all downhill from there.
If you want the name of a payment techology that isn't snake oil, isn't blockchain-based, isn't a cult, doesn't claim to be a currency, doesn't work on proof-of-work or proof-of-stake, but actually does provide certain privacy guarantees for your basic purchasing needs, is cryptographically secure, and can be used with only FOSS, I recommend looking into GNU Taler.
The only downside is that it's not really supported anywhere at all yet. But I do hope it becomes a real thing some day.
Thanks, I'll read on it :)
AFAIK there's a lot of talk about making GNU Taler the basis for the 'digital Euro' which is curently being debated at the EU Parliement.
Yea, that is interesting! I don't really understand a lot of it though. Wonder how censorship-resistant it can be, and whether the receiver would be able to cash it out anonymously.
I'm not an expert on it, but I've done a certain amount of study on it.
I'm pretty sure there are no privacy guarantees for money receivers. Merchants/sellers would still be identifiable by banks and governments and such. So Taler isn't what anyone selling heroin or doing murder for hire would want to be using as an accepted payment method. (At least not any more so than credit/debit card transactions will help the seller with keeping their doings secret.)
But Taler can keep the buyers' identity secret. Unless you're doing things in ways that reveal information about yourself, your bank and your government wouldn't know you were buying fursuits even if they knew the merchant was selling fursuits.
So all that to say that no, the merchant couldn't cash out anonymously.
What I don't understand is whether it is like "Taler is obtained and cashed out only in a bank, but the link between two events is unknown" or if Taler can change hands during said "link".
If the former - I really hope it gets implemented as a card replacement, but it would need to coexist with something like Monero (which is what I use now) that is more akin to cash. But I really hope that somehow non-blockchain full-on "digital cash" could one day be invented, so wonder if this could be it :)
How I understand it is:
I'm leaving out some details, but that should give you a decent idea of how things work with Taler.
Now, as for this bit:
That, I'm not sure of. It might be that you can transfer Taler from your wallet to someone else's wallet (that they could then spend) without any identities being revealed, though they wouldn't be able to get real USD or whatever without working with your bank which would generally insist on confirming their identity. But I'd think in order for the recipient in that situation to know that they actually had real Taler and not Taler that you had already spent and that wouldn't actually work if they tried to spend it or cash it in, they'd have to make basically an API call to your bank, though unless the bank blocked all traffic from every VPN and traffic anonymizer (like Tor or I2p) in existence, I see no reason why it couldn't be done in a way that preserved the recipient's anonymity.
So yeah. Not sure. But even if that bit isn't a thing, I still want Taler to take off.
Ah, so probably would not work to evade censorship/sanctions. I would REALLY love to use such a thing instead of my card though.
Scammers use the technology because it actually works and does what it says it does. And criminals and scammers and such are generally the first ones to adopt a new technology. Such as bank robbers adopting the automobile in order to get away faster.
I liked the idea for awhile as well. But for me, learning about the "proof of work" underpinning is what changed my mind. That - and the fact that cryptocurrency does not actually have any of the strengths that it claims to have. It's definitely and interesting idea... but in practice it's all just scams and incentivised waste.
That's interesting. I've initially written it off as a scam. Until I've learned about the proof-of-work.
Did they or did a bunch of media get pushed that told us all what these crypto bros were doing like shitting on beaches and taking our jobs.
Seriously though I'm picking up on a trend that a lot media has a greater influence on opinion then I've ever seen before
Bitcoin is over 15 years old now, that's not a particularly fast speedrun.
I would rather point my finger at wall street or financial institutions not at the tools that offers a viable option to avoid these
Suggestion: We do with the Bitcoin emoji what people did with the eggplant emoji. The B stands for butthole. So now we can do [eggplant emoji] [bitcoin emoji].
I'm sure the TOTALLY NOT HOMOPHOBIC tech bros will love it.
We must do this if it happens.
fighting for bitcoin to get an emoji is stupid, but fighting against it might be even stupider. surely there are more important things to spend your time and energy on. it's a fucking emoji. who cares?
normalizing scams, by laundering their image via standards organizations, pollutes our communications environment. Both an emoji and a petition are symbolic - and our symbols are in fact important.
millions of people who use emojis would constantly see it. It would slowly start to feel more familiar to them and increase its acceptance. If that works, others would try to do the same and we would have every and any company put their logos in. If it doesnt then it doesnt matter that much, but i dont want to risk yet another avenue for corporations to worm into peoples minds.
Personally i dont care about emojis at all but i do care about general mentalspace.
It would create legitimation and that could further increase its popularity
#bitcoinscam #tetherfraud
Can't believe I wasted brainspace reading that garbage
Lack of emojis and also having an emoji are both good for bitcoin.
Being stupid is good for bitcoin too, probably.
It was a mistake that the Unicode people started to add emoji of their own at all ever in the first place.
My understanding is that emoji were originally added because they existed in other preexisting standards. They should have kept it at that. Now we get public discussions what concepts are important enough to "deserve" emoji, which is a stupid, pointless discussion that could have been avoided if they had not started doing that. We were able to communicate just fine before emoji were a thing.
I disagree with your opinion.
I think I should post a 1000 word essay about why I dislike the merman emoji.
Bitcoin already has a unicode sign, which is plenty. We don't need an emoji, we need better user access to the full unicode set. (To date, on both mobile and desktop, I have to sometimes websearch specific characters and copy-paste, and not all emoji are displayed on my PC Firefox browser, though it's better now than last year). Also curiously, the Lemmy website text editor emoji picker only places an emoji at the end of the text, not where the cursor is (and adds a space I don't want).
The current Emoji library has a frog face, ๐ธ not a frog body. That's a higher priority than a bitcoin. I could see some kind of generic crypto coin, maybe. Maybe.
On a parallel subject, I do think the international community would do well to create a decentralized currency, and I do think blockchain may figure into this, but it needs to be secure and allow for anonymous transactions, and not allow for tampering with the ledger. Bitcoin has failed on all three accounts. We need a better, more robust system, but it seems all current cryptocurrencies are practice, and toys for prospectors and gamblers until we make a robust one.
I absolutely do not want to encourage the ransomware industry.
Absolutely agree. Unfortunately, it would probably be negatively stigmatized for [insert illegal hot-button topic] like encrypted messaging is.
Lol what? No legitimate bitcoin critics make these claims against Bitcoin. The ledger is immutable and the transactions are pseudo anonymous. In fact your typical bitcoin critic lists these as downsides ("no way to reverse mistakes" and "cannot prevent money laundering") right after the criticisms about energy consumption.
You legitimately have no idea what you're talking about.
I'm not a Bitcoin or crypto expert (though I remember news about a decade ago about unrelated data, including pictures, ending up in the ledger. Maybe they fixed it?) Rather I think about what I'd want in a currency that we don't have in state-backed currencies.
And yes, anonymity of transactions is one of the, money laundering is about justifying gains to a surveillance state on the grounds that only state-approved transactions should be allowed. Like the internet, the economy is and should be bigger than the regional states we have, unless you want Hollywood telling you what content you are allowed to watch and how many times before your license expires.
One of the problems with state-proprietary banking systems is that they can be manipulated for political purposes. It's nice when this means depriving dicks of their money (say Putin and Russian Oligarchs) but it's not very nice when it's used to silence journalists who embarrass the ownership class (e.g. Wikileaks) or is used by industrialists to block competition (e.g. the MPAA and RIAA arranging for the freezing of Kim Dotcom's assets, and those of Megaupload, which was about to release a new music distribution system).
The point is to create a currency that states cannot control or regulate.
Yes, there are matters like the black market. CSAM transactions have become more difficult to trace while cryptocurrencies are stable, but I suspect these can be addressed piecemeal when we actually confront problems like drug abuse and porn production. As it is, the people who do the most damage, cause the most cost and death have enough influence on state regulators of currency so as to not need to launder money. (Though they may fold conflict diamonds into ones mined from legitimate sources.)
You said the Bitcoin ledger is mutable. It's not. You said Bitcoin isn't anonymous and that's mostly true because it's pseduo-anonymous which can be fully anonymous if you want it to be.
Proprietary money is a scam.
I agree but I'm not sure BTC fit the definition of proprietary money I'm finding online. How does BTC qualify in your opinion?
Libre
Don't buy Bitcoin. It's going to crash!
How is it like to have nothing going on in your life so you create a petition about emojis?
If we're not getting an asshole emoji this will suffice.
It'll make it easier to filter out spam. If it contains this emoji, delete it.
Should just be a generic crypto currency symbol with a rug being pulled from under it.
Woah way too many emojis already!
๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐คฃ๐๐๐๐๐๐ฅฐ๐๐คฉ๐๐๐๐๐
There's an emoji for nonbinary zombie๐ง
There's an emoji for "I can't get my map to fold back up"๐บ๏ธ
There's even an emoji for a pregnant super Saiyan I think๐ซ๐ผ
But there's no emoji for riding two giraffes at the same time, so hieroglyphics still wins ๐ฌ
This message right here โคด๏ธ
This is the same thing as saying "there's too many music!", "there's too many art!"
You can't have enough emojis. Ever.
Oh it's on!
Still not many enough for actual emotions.
All right. I have prepared for this over the last day. I've copied and reformatted this full list of Unicode single emojis! You asked for this!
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โฐ๏ธ โฑ๏ธ โฒ๏ธ โณ๏ธ โด๏ธ โต๏ธ โท๏ธ โธ๏ธ โน๏ธ โบ๏ธ โฝ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โก๏ธ โจ๏ธ โณ๏ธ โด๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โฃ๏ธ โค๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โ๏ธ โก๏ธ โฐ๏ธ โฟ๏ธ โคด๏ธ โคต๏ธ โฌ ๏ธ โฌ๏ธ โฌ๏ธ โฌ๏ธ โฌ๏ธ โญ๏ธ โญ๏ธ ใฐ๏ธ ใฝ๏ธ
ใ๏ธ ใ๏ธ ๐ ๐๐ ฐ๏ธ ๐ ฑ๏ธ ๐ พ๏ธ ๐ ฟ๏ธ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐๏ธ ๐ ๐ฏ ๐ฒ ๐ณ ๐ด ๐ต ๐ถ ๐ท๏ธ ๐ธ ๐น ๐บ ๐ ๐
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ก๏ธ ๐ค๏ธ ๐ฅ๏ธ ๐ฆ๏ธ ๐ง๏ธ ๐จ๏ธ ๐ฉ๏ธ ๐ช๏ธ ๐ซ๏ธ ๐ฌ๏ธ
๐ญ ๐ฎ ๐ฏ ๐ฐ ๐ฑ ๐ฒ ๐ณ ๐ด ๐ต ๐ถ๏ธ ๐ท ๐ธ ๐น ๐บ ๐ป ๐ผ ๐ฝ ๐พ ๐ฟ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ก ๐ข ๐ฃ ๐ค ๐ฅ ๐ฆ ๐ง ๐จ ๐ฉ ๐ช ๐ซ ๐ฌ ๐ญ ๐ฎ ๐ฏ ๐ฐ ๐ฑ ๐ฒ ๐ณ ๐ด ๐ต ๐ถ ๐ท ๐ธ ๐น ๐บ ๐ป ๐ผ ๐ฝ๏ธ ๐พ ๐ฟ ๐ ๐ ๐
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐ ๐ก ๐ข ๐ฃ ๐ค ๐ฅ ๐ฆ ๐ง ๐จ ๐ฉ ๐ช ๐ซ ๐ฌ ๐ญ ๐ฎ ๐ฏ ๐ฐ ๐ฑ ๐ฒ ๐ณ ๐ด
๐ต ๐ถ ๐ท ๐ธ ๐น ๐บ ๐ป ๐ผ ๐ฝ ๐พ ๐ฟ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐ ๐ก ๐ข ๐ฃ ๐ค ๐ฅ ๐ฆ ๐ง ๐จ ๐ฉ ๐ช ๐ซ ๐ฌ ๐ญ ๐ฎ ๐ฏ ๐ฐ ๐ณ๏ธ ๐ด ๐ต๏ธ ๐ท๏ธ ๐ธ ๐น ๐บ ๐ป ๐ผ ๐ฝ ๐พ ๐ฟ
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ก ๐ข ๐ฃ ๐ค ๐ฅ ๐ฆ ๐ง ๐จ ๐ฉ ๐ช ๐ซ ๐ฌ ๐ญ ๐ฎ ๐ฏ ๐ฐ ๐ฑ ๐ฒ ๐ณ ๐ด ๐ต ๐ถ ๐ท ๐ธ ๐น ๐บ ๐ป ๐ผ ๐ฝ ๐พ ๐ฟ๏ธ ๐ ๐๏ธ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ก ๐ข ๐ฃ ๐ค ๐ฅ ๐ฆ ๐ง ๐จ ๐ฉ ๐ช ๐ซ ๐ฌ ๐ญ ๐ฎ ๐ฏ ๐ฐ ๐ฑ ๐ฒ ๐ณ ๐ด ๐ต ๐ถ ๐ท ๐ธ ๐น ๐บ ๐ป ๐ผ ๐ฝ ๐พ ๐ฟ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ก ๐ข ๐ฃ ๐ค ๐ฅ ๐ฆ ๐ง ๐จ ๐ฉ ๐ช ๐ซ ๐ฌ ๐ญ ๐ฎ ๐ฏ ๐ฐ ๐ฑ ๐ฒ ๐ณ ๐ด ๐ต ๐ถ ๐ท ๐ธ ๐น ๐บ ๐ป ๐ผ ๐ฝ ๐พ ๐ฟ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ก ๐ข ๐ฃ ๐ค ๐ฅ ๐ฆ ๐ง ๐จ ๐ฉ ๐ช ๐ซ ๐ฌ ๐ญ ๐ฎ ๐ฏ ๐ฐ ๐ฑ ๐ฒ ๐ณ ๐ด ๐ต ๐ถ ๐ท ๐ธ ๐น ๐บ ๐ป ๐ผ ๐ฝ๏ธ ๐ฟ
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ก ๐ข ๐ฃ ๐ค ๐ฅ ๐ฆ ๐ง ๐จ ๐ฉ ๐ช ๐ซ ๐ฌ ๐ญ ๐ฎ ๐ฏ ๐ฐ ๐ฑ ๐ฒ ๐ณ ๐ด ๐ต ๐ถ ๐ท ๐ธ ๐น ๐บ ๐ป ๐ผ ๐ฝ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ก ๐ข ๐ฃ ๐ค ๐ฅ ๐ฆ ๐ง ๐ฏ๏ธ ๐ฐ๏ธ ๐ณ๏ธ ๐ด๏ธ ๐ต๏ธ ๐ถ๏ธ ๐ท๏ธ ๐ธ๏ธ ๐น๏ธ ๐บ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐ ๐ ๐ค ๐ฅ๏ธ ๐จ๏ธ ๐ฑ๏ธ ๐ฒ๏ธ ๐ผ๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐ก๏ธ ๐ฃ๏ธ ๐จ๏ธ ๐ฏ๏ธ ๐ณ๏ธ ๐บ๏ธ ๐ป ๐ผ ๐ฝ ๐พ ๐ฟ
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ก ๐ข ๐ฃ ๐ค ๐ฅ ๐ฆ ๐ง ๐จ ๐ฉ ๐ช ๐ซ ๐ฌ ๐ญ ๐ฎ ๐ฏ ๐ฐ ๐ฑ ๐ฒ ๐ณ ๐ด ๐ต ๐ถ ๐ท ๐ธ ๐น ๐บ ๐ป ๐ผ ๐ฝ ๐พ ๐ฟ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ก ๐ข ๐ฃ ๐ค ๐ฅ ๐ฆ ๐ง ๐จ
๐ฉ ๐ช ๐ซ ๐ฌ ๐ญ ๐ฎ ๐ฏ ๐ฐ ๐ฑ ๐ฒ ๐ณ ๐ด ๐ต ๐ถ ๐ท ๐ธ ๐น ๐บ ๐ป ๐ผ ๐ฝ ๐พ ๐ฟ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐๏ธ ๐ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐๏ธ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๏ธ ๐ก๏ธ ๐ข๏ธ ๐ฃ๏ธ ๐ค๏ธ ๐ฅ๏ธ ๐ฉ๏ธ ๐ซ ๐ฌ ๐ฐ๏ธ ๐ณ๏ธ ๐ด ๐ต ๐ถ ๐ท ๐ธ ๐น ๐บ ๐ป ๐ผ
๐ ๐ก ๐ข ๐ฃ ๐ค ๐ฅ ๐ฆ ๐ง ๐จ ๐ฉ ๐ช ๐ซ ๐ฐ ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐ค ๐คก ๐คข ๐คฃ ๐คค ๐คฅ ๐คฆ ๐คง ๐คจ ๐คฉ ๐คช ๐คซ ๐คฌ ๐คญ ๐คฎ ๐คฏ ๐คฐ ๐คฑ ๐คฒ ๐คณ ๐คด ๐คต ๐คถ ๐คท
๐คธ ๐คน ๐คบ ๐คผ ๐คฝ ๐คพ ๐คฟ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅ ๐ฅก ๐ฅข ๐ฅฃ ๐ฅค ๐ฅฅ ๐ฅฆ ๐ฅง ๐ฅจ ๐ฅฉ ๐ฅช ๐ฅซ ๐ฅฌ ๐ฅญ ๐ฅฎ ๐ฅฏ
๐ฅฐ ๐ฅฑ ๐ฅฒ ๐ฅณ ๐ฅด ๐ฅต ๐ฅถ ๐ฅท ๐ฅธ ๐ฅน ๐ฅบ ๐ฅป ๐ฅผ ๐ฅฝ ๐ฅพ ๐ฅฟ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆ ๐ฆก ๐ฆข ๐ฆฃ ๐ฆค ๐ฆฅ ๐ฆฆ ๐ฆง ๐ฆจ ๐ฆฉ ๐ฆช ๐ฆซ ๐ฆฌ ๐ฆญ ๐ฆฎ ๐ฆฏ
๐ฆฐ ๐ฆฑ ๐ฆฒ ๐ฆณ ๐ฆด ๐ฆต ๐ฆถ ๐ฆท ๐ฆธ ๐ฆน ๐ฆบ ๐ฆป ๐ฆผ ๐ฆฝ ๐ฆพ ๐ฆฟ ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง ๐ง
๐งก ๐งข ๐งฃ ๐งค ๐งฅ ๐งฆ ๐งง ๐งจ ๐งฉ ๐งช ๐งซ ๐งฌ ๐งญ ๐งฎ ๐งฏ ๐งฐ ๐งฑ ๐งฒ ๐งณ ๐งด ๐งต ๐งถ ๐งท ๐งธ ๐งน ๐งบ ๐งป ๐งผ ๐งฝ ๐งพ ๐งฟ ๐ฉฐ ๐ฉฑ ๐ฉฒ ๐ฉณ ๐ฉด ๐ฉต ๐ฉถ ๐ฉท ๐ฉธ ๐ฉน ๐ฉบ ๐ฉป ๐ฉผ ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช
๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ช ๐ชก ๐ชข ๐ชฃ ๐ชค ๐ชฅ ๐ชฆ ๐ชง ๐ชจ ๐ชฉ ๐ชช ๐ชซ ๐ชฌ ๐ชญ ๐ชฎ ๐ชฏ ๐ชฐ ๐ชฑ ๐ชฒ ๐ชณ ๐ชด ๐ชต ๐ชถ ๐ชท ๐ชธ ๐ชน ๐ชบ ๐ชป ๐ชผ ๐ชฝ ๐ชฟ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซ ๐ซก ๐ซข ๐ซฃ ๐ซค ๐ซฅ ๐ซฆ ๐ซง ๐ซจ ๐ซฐ ๐ซฑ ๐ซฒ ๐ซณ ๐ซด ๐ซต ๐ซถ ๐ซท ๐ซธ :::
Thank you! This may come in handy later!
Stupid indeed.
๐ฉ
โฟuttcoin (( should have an emoji too then!
Fuck Emojis
Does anyone remember when one of Maine's US Senators lobbied Unicode to create a lobster emoji?
That's the majestic and ancient lobster, and having an emoji for such a fine creature makes sense.
This is Bitcoin
Yeah I just think it's funny a Senator took time out of his day to be like "we need a lobster emoji"
https://emojipedia.org/bitcoin-sign
Bitcoin is stupid, but the point of Unicode is that we have a symbol for everything that has a commonly recognized symbol or representative value, or even uncommonly recognized.
If โ gets a character, or all the symbols of the Byzantine musical notation system, I'm not sure why a typically recognized symbol for a cryptocurrency shouldn't.
The weird bit is that they put together a petition. All you really need to do is submit a proposal and show that it's a notable symbol and not owned by anyone in particular or a brand icon.
Here's the proposal to add "goose" to Unicode. They even added a few joke-y bits, but they made a valid argument that "goose" is a symbol that people recognize. And now... ๐ชฟ
I don't disagree with the overall comment, but there's a difference between character and emoji. โ got a character, but so did โฟ already.
There really isn't a difference between a character and an emoji beyond an emoji being a stylized rendering of a character, or a character whose use is intended as a pictograph.
https://www.unicode.org/reports/tr51/#Introduction
They're all just Unicode code points, although I suppose there's some distinction between the characters with more context specific meaning or the ones that are more apt to modification a la ๐งโโ๏ธ๐ฉ๐ฟโโ๏ธ. But you've also got ๐ฒ and $, where "bold dollar sign" is often represented as green, but "dollar sign" tends to be represented in contextual style. Is โฃ a character or an emoji? What about the thousands of "other symbols" as defined by the Unicode spec which may or may not have special character renderings depending on your platform and font?
And yeah, I didn't know that character existed, so now it's doubly confusing why anyone is asking for anything. The symbol has meaning, and it's in the big book of meaningful symbols. Not sure what more they want.
There's no ambiguity.
Emoji are characters in the emoticons code block (U+1F600..U+1F64F). Emoji are indeed a subset of characters, but anything outside that block is not an emoji.Edit: jumped the gun on that definition, just took the code block from Wikipedia. But there is no ambiguity on which character is an emoji and which is not. The Unicode Consortium publishes lists of emoji and guidelines on how they should be rendered.
Gotcha, so โ(U+231A, miscellaneous technical block) isn't an emoji, despite it clearly being a pictograph, and there are only 80 emoji?
I feel like this definition isn't in line with either the lay definition of emoji, nor the technical definition
Emoji are seriously just Unicode characters that sometimes get rendered as a fancy image. That's it. There's an entire bit about how different characters have different conventional presentations and a codified system of "default" for image or "text".
That's why there's things like โฃ๏ธ and โฃ. Same codepoint, but different presentation hints. (I'm assuming that our various systems will do the right thing and capture the presentation hints, otherwise I'm going to look very odd putting the same symbol over and over :-) )
I rushed to just grab that codeblock from Wikipedia. But the selection of which characters are considered emoji is not arbitrary. The Unicode Consortium (their Unicode Emoji Standard and Research Working Group to be exact) publishes those list and guidelines on how they should be rendered. I believe the most recent version of the standard is Emoji 15.1.
Edit: I realized I'm going off track here by just reacting to comments and forgetting my initial point. The difference I was initially alluding to is in selection criteria. The emoji. for assigning a character a Unicode codepoint is very different from the criteria for creating a new emoji. Bitcoin has a unique symbol and there is a real need to use that symbol in written material. Having a unicode character for it solves that problem, and indeed one was added. The Emoji working group has other selection criteria (which is why you have emoji for eggplant and flying money, and other things that are not otherwise characters. So the fact that a certain character exists, despite its very limited use, has no bearing on whether something else should have an emoji to represent it.
I am aware of the lists and guidelines, I've been linking and quoting them to you. :)
It's their report on the standards that highlights that they don't think there's a clear distinction between "emoji" and "character", and that it's mostly a matter of user expectation.
Hence some pictograph characters having a default "text" presentation, and some having a default "emoji" presentation. They also clarify that some things with a default "emoji" presentation aren't in the set of characters people would associate with emoji and shouldn't be counted if you're trying.
I understand what you're saying, which is that the selection criteria is different for a "language symbol" as opposed to a "pictographic symbol", so they're different things.
I disagree and think that "default presentation" might be a better metric, but that ultimately it's about user and platform expectations. The same character can be presented "emoji" style or "text" style depending on context.
In any case, I'd also agree that there's no viability to the notion that people use the Bitcoin symbol in a way that's independent of the one meaning that it has, so a colorful cartoony rendition becoming an option doesn't really fit. "His Christmas gift was $$$" is a sentiment people might express. "The hotel is โฟโฟโฟ" just ... Isn't.