Has the Reddit exodus killed the former Lemmy culture?

Hotwarioinyourarea Ⓥ@slrpnk.net to Asklemmy@lemmy.ml – 151 points –

When I first started using Lemmy it seemed like such a nice place with interesting discussions. It seemed like the first group of people to join after the app exodus were being quite careful to be respectful of the existing culture.

Now, it seems as though the culture from Reddit has completely replaced it. Toxicity and all. I will say I do follow a lot of communities from a wide range of instances so it's clearly not everywhere.

Am I the only one who's feeling like we've just stormed in and bulldozed Lemmy?

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I came to Lemmy from reddit and I find it an incredibly nice place to be, full of polite discussions and fun posts. I haven't seen any of what you're saying.

When the rightwing communities started getting defederated, their users started making alts on the main instances.

Then you've got lemmy.grad which I still have trouble believing aren't just all trolls.

I've never seen a logical comment from any of them. And they agree with the rightwingers waaaaay to often for it be a coincidence.

Like, there was a thread the other day filled with people saying Islam is a violent religion and no other religion encourages violence. And all 1.7 billion Muslims support terrorist extremists.

Maybe because China and Russia have also been oppressing them for centuries so lemmy.grad has to act like that's the right move?

Like, there was a thread the other day filled with people saying Islam is a violent religion and no other religion encourages violence.

Any links for that one?

No idea how to link so other instances see it on theirs but:

https://lemmy.world/post/3293542?scrollToComments=true

There was like double the comments from last time I looked at it tho, it's been a couple days

Thanks!!

I’m struggling to find any anti-Islamic sentiment in there from lemmygrad users?? (which is what I was interested in seeing … ordinary Christianity > Islam isn’t too surprising to see anywhere I’d say, however shallow it is).

EDIT: All I could find was this one comment from a lemmygrad user (along with a small exchange afterwards) that seemed to me entirely sympathetic to the Afghans and not at all anti-islamic.

Internet leftist gets spooked when they see comments that don't perfectly subscribe to their cult. Their brains don't know what to do but call them right-wingers and Nazis. This really is reddit.

I'm honestly not sure what you're talking about, but I think you could work on being respectful and sincerely engaging.

No idea how to link so other instances see it on theirs but:

I’m not sure there is a way right now.

lemmygrad existed before all the reddit people

Just like the rightwingers instances...

They never federated each other, so they were nice to their own in their safe spaces.

Then normal people started joining on "mainstream" instances. And both groups don't tend to do well with an average person. Because they've had their echo chambers so long, they're usually the ones complaining that Lemmy has "changed" when they venture out of their own instances.

Their safe spaces are still the same, they just want all the new instances to conform to what their Lemmy experience has been instead of just sticking to their safe space where it's still like what they remember.

Seen this. I commented on the lemm.ee meta discussion about considering defederating from Hexbear. I mentioned some of the things I've seen from Hexbear users and that I wish they'd just take a chill pill. Cue Hexbears (I assume), refusing to take chill pills.

People I disagree with all around me!! Oh the horror!!

I guess I'm just not seeing that part. Hopefully the admins do something.

I don't feel like I see that many people from the alt right or tankies with my instance being defederated from theirs, so I don't think them creating alts is that much of an issue, but maybe it's because I don't see that much political content on All/top 6h 🤔

Ha same. When I first started lemmy, every time I would accidentally stumble upon a lemmy.grad post I would be so confused. At first I thought it was trolls, i thought it was satire.

And yeah I also remember that post from yesterday, all the comments underneath were people telling eachother to fuck off and that every single Muslim was a violent terrorist who wants to oppress woman. I think these people probably don't get outside much is my best guess . I have noticed quite the lack of civility in some of the threads here...

I agree. Came from reddit in June. Lemmy has been a very friendly place. I just posted for advice with a typo in the title. Noone even mentioned it. No belittling advice or bickering. Just kindness and helpfulness.

Did the same and was helpfully informed that unlike Reddit, you can edit the title if there's a typo in it :)

Firefish is also incredibly sweet. Honestly the fediverse makes me feel good about the Internet for the first time in years.

It’s scale.

Scale is the enemy of social networks. All of them, including Lemmy.

Let’s say 0.1% of the population are just straight up assholes who ruin everything.

If you only got 100 people on a site, no one is an asshole.

1000 people? Well now you got that asshole Andy in the group. Fucking Andy. But we can deal with him.

But we scale up to 1,000,000? Well now you got 1000 fucking assholes to deal with!

So you're saying it's proportional all the way up and not a big deal, or people love assholes and upvote all their material and comments for greater proportional impact?

If anything I would argue that the first and early adopters are less likely to be assholes, to where eventually you reach that tipping point and move back towards the average, which feels worse in what is a collection of niche communities, because the average engages slightly different content than early adopters.

Moreso, I think it's just confirmation bias. OP is hyper sensitive to a change in the culture so every example of it weighs a little more.

To be clear, like most things, I don't think it's one thing or another; a little from A, a little from B, and probably a slew of other factors.

The bigger an asshole someone is, the more theyre going to comment....

One asshole is just one asshole, but 100 assholes are going to make more comments than 1,000 normal users.

Which makes it look like there are 10x as many assholes as there really is.

I want to jump in and say that people do love assholes. You need look no further than celebrities and the people that hang on their every word.

It makes sense.

Most people who came here two months ago did so because they explicitly wanted to leave Reddit, but not because of Reddit content or the site culture. It was because admin decisions on third party apps and the API.

They still wanted Reddit, just with different Admins and different apps. Ideally, they'd have wanted communities to fully migrate over.

lemmy.world specifically became basically a lifeboat, having been linked to from original third party apps.

Yes, it was created and had the technical and resource requirements to keep up with the new influx of users without constantly crashing (in the beginning), but nonetheless, that meant it got the largest influx of the migration.

It's honestly a bit strange for me to see people in here with two month old accounts saying "oh yeah the culture has just changed so much".

You all were the change. It's that influx of users that basically brought Reddit here.

Anyone who came here before the API changes did so either because they had some kind of issues with Reddit, whether it was the dominant culture or what, and wanted an alternative or because they were interested in the open source and federated nature of the project regardless of Reddit's own decisions.

Though tbf, pre migration, this place was basically dead. Posts would have a handful of comments at best and it was mostly Lemmygrad users and also FOSS enthusiasts. Hexbear was the most active Lemmy instance and was a chapotraphouse lifeboat formed in 2020 but it didn't federate so it was really mostly just Lemmy.ml as a general instance and Lemmygrad unless you explicitly knew and cared for Hexbear. Neither was very "toxic" in their own communities and there really wasn't much inter instance fighting, even if there still were people on lemmy.ml who didn't care for grad, as far as I remember. I honestly mostly lurked and didn't participate often.

The apps also were much worse.

Things started picking up as the API announcement happened. That's probably when we had the best balance of positivity and user growth.

It exploded when the API changes went into effect and voila.

Still, I would say it's mostly still a bit better than Reddit and there's more effort in commenting for the most part.

I don't think I've seen a pun chain or a "he's not your buddy, guy" or anything like that.

And that's only the first migration. Expect a way bigger one once Reddit sunsets the old reddit interface.

This is exactly what happened to Reddit with the Digg shitshow and then gradual public adoption. Reddit used to have thoughtful conversation and was where I could go to get interesting perspectives. Eventually enough people joined that the quality went way down.

Always depends on the community/sub though. Niche subs specific to the subject will have good discussion. Big subs that tend to be a bit more generic content will have the generic subs.

I don't think it's a Lemmy/Reddit thing and more of a small/large community thing.

Oh, I agree completely. As the masses arrive conversation generally gets less nuanced and less thoughtful. Group think becomes more obvious too.

Tbf many of us, myself included, had had a problem with the general reddit culture for a very long time (in my case dating back to 2011)

The API change and Sp*z's libelous lies (egregious even by his abysmally low standards) finally gave me the motivation to leave, and I'm genuinely happy that I've never checked back on my old account (which is still up, but has been mostly scrubbed of content)

I didn't come here to find more reddit. In fact, I tried switching back to tumblr at first before learning more about the potential of the fediverse

I don't think I've seen a pun chain or a "he's not your buddy, guy" or anything like that.

And no Schnoodle guy either! No more annoying pseudo-emotional poems followed by celebrity worship, which didn't add anything to the conversation, except for making threads long and wasting screen space on mobile devices.

I changed my account to reduce traffic on my my former server when the Reddit refugees came

This is such an "us vs them" mindset and it just doesn't work that way.

Reddit dominated internet culture for ~15 years. Reddit culture is just what internet culture is now. Any internet community that grows to a sufficient size will begin to exhibit the dominant internet culture.

Things aren't black and white.

Reddit used to be "nice". Then it became toxic. And now the toxic asshats are here and the moderators do nothing.

After blocking most of the meme subs, I find it a pretty nice place.

Ive been thinking about doing just that. Its just the ratio of memes to news to interesting stuff is so bad on here. To many memes man.

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I'm one of those Reddit refugees. I can't say anything about how things were before I got here, but I would like to add that I treat Lemmy a whole lot different from Reddit. When I joined there was plenty of talk about the lack of content, people only upvoting but not commenting, that kind of thing.
So I took this as a sign that I should be more of a participant and not the three-posts-to-my-name lurker that I was at Reddit. And I saw similar motivations with other users. So I do hope that at least part of the refugees have added a positive influence, and more so than they ever did when they were still using Reddit.

Also, to add to this: culture is a living thing, like people and ecosystems. Change is inherent and healthy.

It's totally reasonable to debate whether an event brings good change or bad change, but complaining about a community being different is, imo, not healthy or rational.

We can, through collective effort, precipitate change away from or reverse negative change, and the first step to that is complaining about it.

Same here. I vote on almost every post I see, even if I'm not interested, based on if I think it's a good fit for the community. On Reddit I just upvoted things I liked

I meant more like writing comments and posting things, but I like that you’re making a conscious effort to do better so do whatever you feel comfortable with :)

Votes don't matter much here, because there isn't enough content in the first place. Votes mattered on Reddit because there was too much content, and small posts would never be seen unless you're browsing by new. Also, people farmed karma so that they could resell their accounts, or access karma-restricted subs. No such incentives here.

Lemmy doesn't have a collective culture. Each instance has it's own culture or will develop it over time, even though a lot of reddit vestige remains. (It's only been like 2 months)

I don't think toxicity ever will get too bad here, for the simple fact that if you don't like the say, c/politics of one instance, you are always free to go to the c/politics of another instance or even start your own.

Eventually, the toxic instances/community will bleed users and die out, defed is a factor but doesn't have too much to do with this.

As communities grow from obscurity to populated change is inevitable. I used to use reddit and the #1 thing I hated was the condescending, holier than thou attitude that was rampant. I have seen it occasionally on here but for the most part Lemmy is a breath of fresh air, so I personally don't think reddit culture has replaced it. I can definitely see a strong cultural influence from reddit but I personally think Lemmy culture is significantly different, in a good way.

Yes!

I’ve noticed it in political discussions especially. I often find the nitty gritty of my political opinions at odds with much of the apparent consensus on both Reddit and Lemmy. But on Lemmy I generally find people to be a lot less dogmatic, and more open to constructive discussion, rather than repeating the same slogans over and over. Not that it doesn’t happen on Lemmy, but I can’t really remember the last time I heard someone say “It’s not a bug, it’s a feature” unironically.(I have heard “orphan crushing machine” thrown around a bit, but at least that one is kinda funny.)

Overall, the mainstream on Lemmy feels like an upgrade from Reddit, though I do miss more niche communities catering toward my interest.

As a Digg migrant now Reddit migrant, the "has \ killed our culture?" thing is a heavy dose of deja vu. No mockery intended; I think it's a reasonable question.

Can you link to a few comments or posts that you think represent this nasty reddit culture?

lemmy.ml on a good day had like 15 to 30 upvotes on the front page. There wasn't much of a culture before.

See the traffic in April this year, a little over 4 months ago. Lemmy.world only been around for like 2 and a half months now. That's the most active it's been since before the exodus. The exodus definitely helped jumpstart the site.

Yeah, my answer to "has the Reddit exodus killed the former Lemmy culture" is "what culture lmao"

Not that i was on Lemmy before, but i was on Mastodon before Elon bought Twitter and it was a ghost town.

Hexbear and lemmy.grad were there before and are as toxic as any reddit sub I’ve ever been in.

The important thing to understand is that Lemmy doesn't have an inherent culture. Nor does Reddit, or Twitter, or Mastodon, or any other platform.

They are communities, and communities naturally change as they scale.

So yes, of course Lemmy had changed. But I'd argue that the inherent strength of the whole concept of "federation" is that any one particular instance only has to witness as much or as little of that change as they want to.

If you don't like where Lemmy as a whole is going, find (or create) an instance that agrees with you and de-federates from most others. win-win.

The point is that you are responsible for your own particular Lemmy experience in ways that you never were on Reddit.

It's quickly getting more toxic and aggressive. But we're not counting karma, so as soon as you recognize that someone is arguing with you in bad faith just block them.

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Nice. Lemmy is finally big enough for "Lemmy sucks now, the old days were better" posts 🥲

I thought the point of Lemmy was that people could make their own instance if they don't like what's on offer. It can be whatever people want it to be, and none of those are mutually exclusive.

I think it’s still much too small to have that problem honestly

I think I agree. When I first moved here everyone was so nice, respectful, and willing to have an actual dialogue. Now it feels more like Reddit where when you say something every just immediately jumps to shitting on you, even if they interpret what you said wrong, or if they disagree. I also feel like there are a lot more of the “well, akshewally….” Types here now. There also seems to be people who honestly can’t grasp this isn’t Reddit, and brought the same mentality/trends with them.

The smaller communities are still very nice. I keep my subscribed to mostly smaller communities and then I go to all if I feel like it. Try that and see if it help!

I definitely agree. I pointed out that asklemmy@lemmy.world is becoming more and more like AskReddit and I got downvoted and got these sarcastic and obnoxious responses that are typical for reddit

I find Lemmy much better than Reddit. But this comes down to what communities you follow in my view.

I can't compare the two, since I swore off political munis at the same time I migrated. That alone makes for a much better experience.

I felt that way until I found out the bigger instances aren't even much older. Lemmy World itself apparently started as soon as the changes were announced but before any big protests began. Instances that were around even before those either were not very active to even have an established culture, or are so niche they're not really affected.

Also, it's likely that anyone on Lemmy had tried reddit prior. Lemmy doesn't exist in a vacuum. Lemmy culture is former reddit culture to some extent, for better or worse.

Except for a few power-tripping mods and admins I haven't seen much of Reddit culture here. And the blatant copy of r/place was a little cringe (especially as it was introduced with "let's create our own customs!").

I read that some people on here go about it by blocking accounts that are repeatedly toxic. I like this approach since it directly improves your own feed and if a lot of people do it with time the reduced exposure these accounts get could improve the platform as a whole.

I, myself, have a blocklist a mile long. Communities as well as users. It’s made my mental health go way up. Some may argue I’m in an echo chamber but I much prefer conversations with pleasant and/or likeminded people to getting verbally shat all over.

Personally I did notice a change in tone, but it wasn't the reddit influx, it was a couple weeks later, around the time the hacks started.

Beehaw is still pretty nice :) The moderation is part of why I joined it. I’ve definitely noticed other community getting toxic comments in the past few weeks, though

If a place is moderated so heavily that is has no nasty comments, I wonder what else is being moderated away?

Just look at the modlogs and you can see what is deleted

You mean the circle-jerk of six tankies talking about how the West is the definition of evil? Is that the former Lemmy culture you're talking about? I don't remember there being anything worth mourning.

I love when people say they are glad they are bot on reddit anymore and create a new one. Suddenly everything sounds like reddit again. Artporn, foodporn, earthporn we get it you are 16

💀

I mean, all of those communities are for cheap consumption of content. There's a difference between wanting to discuss food and wanting to see and endless feed of bacon cheddar loaded fries.

As a movement/fandom/website gets bigger the more bad actors there will be within it. There's also less consequences to ones reputation for being rude to others when a community gets larger because there are more people in the community you haven't been rude to yet that you can still have positive interactions with.

I don't think it's something carried over specifically from reddit or its community but rather just what naturally happens (which also happened on reddit,) as communities get larger. They become more and more reflective of people at large, and right now people aren't doing so hot.

Everyone wants to pretend like the ones who left reddit where the good guys. Most of them just want the same thing: attention, controversy and bad memes. We where a part of reddit and as such, we brought reddit here too. Maybe is not you or me, but there's people out there who will bring their toxicity everywhere they go. Be it Reddit, Twitter or Lemmy

I came at the beginning of the Reddit exodus in June and I haven’t noticed necessarily a shift to Reddit’s culture as it’s grown but more of just the general toxicity that comes along with a platform growing to a certain size.

There is a lot more trolls and likewise people who won’t engage civilly with someone who has an opposing view (because why would you when there is a good chance the other person is just a troll?). I feel like the reaction to Lemmy.world blocking piracy communities or most instances degenerating from Hexbear have shown me that.

Lemmy culture still seems to be intact. A lot of posting is still tech focused and the is still a lot of good discussion. It just seems like a lot of posts that make “Hot” on the All feed tend to be more combative or politically charged.

Things are fine man. There's just a lot of de federation lately which I don't think is exactly right.

That depends entirely on what instances we are talking about. Lemmy.grad and Hexbear users have no business existing anywhere but their own shitty tankie bubble.

Are those the super communists that are like fuck any place that's not Russia and China? Lol

If so I guess I feel the pain but I just give em the block

I do too but my fingers are starting to hurt with them infesting every corner of the fediverse.

No. Apart from the relentless political posting, you-know-what-instance and a small handful of other people being obviously bad faith actors, I actually think it's a chill, relatively nice little place. A bunch of people will have Opinions and not be too shy about them, I figure that's fine as long as they're not aggressively off-topic, offputtingly angry or shared in a douchebaggy way. I haven't seen much outright incivility so far, whereas Reddit is a fucking constant shit blizzard.

I do hope we'll stay vigilant about astroturfing and bad faith participation, though, because it wouldn't take much to ruin the whole thing. "Redditism" is a natural-ish development for any large website if there's not a strong culture for resisting it, but it did become abruptly and noticeably worse once it turned into a pawn in the 2016 US election. Politics, as always, is the mind killer.

It's the politics, and the siloing as a result.

Anything politics related is incredibly toxic. I've received death threats for having the wrong political opinions.

Maybe don't go around expunging your weirdo transphobia, hate against Muslims and refugees, and you won't encounter as much toxicity.

Lots of people think "free speech" means they can say anything they want and everyone has to pretend it's a rational well thought opinion...

Their version of "free speech" ends when they stop speaking, and they want to force everyone to listen to it and not call them a dumbass or bigot.

It's that low empathy thing.

They want free speech for themselves but not anyone that disagrees with them.

Not to mention social media is private corporations. Like, if you go to Walmart and start screaming about how birds aren't real, Walmart don't have to let you stand there and scream all you want. They can just make you leave. Which is the equivalent of banning.

It's always the 'phobes that have the biggest hard-ons for free speech. I wonder why that is.

It’s always the 'phobes that have the biggest hard-ons for free speech.

Until there's a book about gay penguins in a library.

Ah yeah I'm afraid we don't take the high road anymore. It's not worked. Probably because "the libs" have realised that y'all don't have a better nature to appeal to.

(And something tells me you're projecting)

I have received a death threat for having opinions about medical conditions, so... it's just sort of how it works talking to the public on the internet. People who work in retail may now and then receive death threats for serving coffee.

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I don't think so. I used to post every day so there would at least be some content. Now I don't feel like that's necessary anymore. I like it more now.

I am relatively new here, having embraced Lemmy after fleeing reddit in June. During my short tenure I have observed a change in culture and decline in politeness and respect for others. However, I think that some claims about the rise of toxic behavior are overstated.

In any event, it’s like a city growing from 500 people to 5,000, or from 50,000 people to 500,000. Of course the culture is going to be changed. Such growth is important to avoid stagnation and death by attrition, however. I think at this point Lemmy has achieved a critical mass where it is likely to continue growing. When people ask “how can we grow Lemmy faster or further”, though, I question whether that is really a good idea. Sites like reddit are somewhat too large, which is great for niche interests but fairly horrible for the most popular communities.

Yes it has. You can see this in political discussions very easily. There are too many people (mostly Americans) who are accusing everyone of being a Russian bot. This did not exist a year ago.

People very often decide and insist that someone is a “repost bot!” with absolutely no evidence, as if someone couldn’t do that manually. Repost? Sure. Automated? Not necessarily.

American here and I’ve seen it. The biggest turnoff is “tankie” bashing.

I had heard the term before, but I never figured out wtf a “tankie” was supposed to be until about a month ago when I joined Lemmy. It seems to be part of the Europification of US politics, which is interesting but perhaps not a positive trend.

My point is, you don’t have to accept an idea to consider it. I’ve heard good and bad from them. You know, like most people.

I haven't seen a platform that can have political discussions in good faith.

It's the circle of life. Something awful, the digg exodus, reddit, Twitter/x. Think of us shit posters as a sign of lemmy success.

Echo chambers are echo chambers, no matter the platform. As the voices grow, it gets louder. Just because it's an alternative to the mainstream, I wouldn't consider the members here smarter, more enlightened or savvier as a whole. Lemmy just got louder, that's all.

Kbin user here. It does not federate downvotes from lemmy. So far, I have a total of two (2) downvotes and every single interaction, including the one I got downvoted for, was quite positive.

No toxicity in normal interactions so far. The only (slightly) toxic comment sections were regarding meta topics of users complaining about toxicity elsewhere and/or wanting to defederate more communities. Even those discussions were nearly entirely polite and productive.

The only somwhat toxic topic I participated in was when one car-enthusiast complained about the fuckcars community and got called out throughout the comment section. Piling on like that was probably not the best way and they deleted their post some time after.

From what I can gather it isn’t true that Reddit culture has completely supplanted what came before, but it has definitely shifted things overall, both mixing to some extent. Scale is part of that though, as is the filtering mechanisms provided by a relatively niche platform.

Antagonistic downvoting (I’m now basically against downvoting I think), superficial statements, especially those that are dismissively in disagreement to the point of unpleasantness or abusiveness … I’d say I’ve seen more of all these things.

One effect, I think, is the establishment of Reddit replacement communities and their gaining large membership which has shifted the centre of gravity here. The whole of lemmy.world being an example.

Besides all of that, I’d say I’ve seen the generally or more frequently presumed set of “obvious” opinions shift toward the mainstream, which isn’t surprising at all, but with a slightly ruder and superficial form of engagement (at times at least), it’s rather tiring.

Unpopular opinion, but I really hate the soft bubble space every social media is becoming and welcome the freedom of speech. I'm not saying people should be harassing each other, but it is nice knowing I could call someone a fucking dumbass when they're being one and not expect an IP ban.

What if instead of that we asked why someone thinks a way, and what led to their conclusions?

The first step is allowing others to think a different way. On Reddit, using the wrong word can see you banned from 20 of the top subreddits and even earn you a site-wide ban.

I recall that 5-6 years ago on reddit, veering into a disapproved sub and saying anything at all, such as "Wow, I really disagree with this", could result in automatic bans from other subs for participating in the disapproved sub. Also, the widely disapproved sub would quickly permaban you with a hateful message containing various insults.

True. I got an automatic ban from r/BlackLivesMatter, as sub I participated in regularly, for calling out a wrongheaded comment on r/conservative, a sub I'd never visited before. And while the mods at the BLM sub were happy to review and correct this ban, it was still a bit jarring.

Getting banned by a bot and having to beg somebody to actually read what you posted is an experience.

Yes and no. I’d prefer user choice/curating your own list of instance you interact with.

However, each community also adds further burden on moderation. The communities you allow affect the culture, and some are very clearly more trouble than others.

My current solution would be to have multiple accounts for different sections of the fediverse. Currently I only have a generic Kbin and a Lemmy account, but if you find a Lemmy instance that’s federated with the broader free-speech spectrum without just veering into insane territory itself, I’d be interested.

I think radical and hateful people should be called out but just insulting each other is going to radicalise them even further. The best way is to have a civil discussion and see the other’s pov, and when they can’t do anything but be an asshole, just ignore them.

I think that anywhere that welcomes bigots is truly welcoming only to bigots. Not every site needs to pretend forever that bigots are just misguided souls who just need a lil' more understanding before they stop being bigots out of the goodness of their hearts because they've attained satori. Bigots can and do take advantage of sites like that.

If you want to engage with bigots, there's plenty of places for you to go do that. reddit, facebook, threads, xhitter, truth social, 4chan, the comments section of any youtube video, hell even lemmy has exploding-heads.

There's too many nazi bars already. Not every bar needs to be one.

Definitely agree, some people are just not worth even engaging with.

People can and do undergo change and become enlightened. Certain people, however, are not willing and do not engage in any sort of good faith exchange of ideas, and I agree - it’s useless. I’m not here to provide angry psychopaths or government shills with therapy.

Yes. The old culture has completely been replaced. I still haven't formed an 100% opinion on whether that's good or bad. Maybe it's neither.

You aspects of Reddit's toxic culture have you observed on Lemmy?

SFW community with a "-porn" suffix. "updoot".

I've noticed trends like AttackBunny has described. Either you post a copy and paste response in a thread or risk the wrath of like 4 or 5 people just waiting to shit on your beliefs. Certain people aren't looking for discussions just opportunities to stroke their egos.

It's most likely just a phase, though it doesn't help I made something for it.

I don't quite get what you made that community for?

Linking to bad content, that was downvoted, and then participating in a celebratory culture of them seems like an inherently toxic and negative thing? I don't see how it'd help the issue.

though it doesn’t help I made something for it.

Are you saying you made it to help the issue, or irrelevant to it not helping?

I'm saying I made something that's more becoming of something that's not a phase, and the way you describe it isn't accurate at all. It's not celebratory in the least, it exist to examine the why's, and your perception having been cast, I will demonstrate for you and all your upvoters who probably have either never been on Reddit or want to taunt for the sake of it.

You actually posted a screenshot of these comments? The -2 on your original comment counts as "downvoted into oblivion" as per the communities rules?

The community description says nothing about celebratory vs exploring as you claim it to be clearly one over the other here. And your example does not help that distinction either. It makes it more confusing / less indicative of your supposed intention - because rather than facilitating an open discussion and exploration you use a passive aggressive tone, and use this comment chain that was critical and started a discussion. You seem to be doing the opposite - specifically what I talked about - a toxic elevation.

It’s because of what it’s based on. It should be noted OP asked a question based on a real issue, and I answered optimistically only to be have it deceptively demoralized, especially considering the whole point of Lemmy is to be another, hopefully better Reddit, and for that to be rewarded more than the optimism, all the while the post grading system many promised wouldn’t exist. Hence I said (not passive agressively) that I would use this as an opportunity to demonstrate what the average Redditor would already know, since it did leave the door open to interpret everyone as taunting me “for the safe of [demonstrating the community]”.

The Reddit refugees came to Lemmy and made content. And everyone had a good time, except the occasional people that bitch about toxicity.