UN Human Rights Office - OPT: Unlawful killings in Gaza City
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I swapped the original article at the request of a mod to from a source deemed more reliable, but to avoid confusion when reading the comment section prior to this edit, here is the link to the original article. I chose the Relief Web source listed by some who commented. Cheers!
WSWS isn't a great source because it's based on a cause.
However, here's the report.
It's uh... Not good.
At what point does the Foreign Assistance Act's ban on sending aid to countries in violation of human rights standards come into play? It seems like we're getting a report on a new war crime every few days, which is a breathtaking rate for a professional Army.
when it's politically convenient and not a moment before
Too true.
Sad but true
I just saw a report that the US is going to agree to a UN resolution to let more aid into Gaza. I wonder if this is why.
It's looking like Biden is trying to score brownie points for Christmas season so people stop talking about him committing genocide in the birth land of Jesus during family diners.
If it helps Palestinians I'll take it, regardless if it's just for political points or not.
It won’t be popular here - but that report is just a report of allegations and is also not substantiated by anything?
If the UN says it, it's always true.
The report includes the sources.
The report is just repeating allegations and asking for an investigation. Did no one else read it?
It is not a finding of fact or anything similar.
The report here also does not include sources or evidence.
The current membership of the HRC is: Albania, Brazil, Bulgaria, Burundi, China, Côte d'Ivoire, Cuba, Dominican Republic, France, Ghana, Indonesia, Japan, Kuwait, Malawi and the Netherlands.
Do with that what you will.
It literally tells you exactly which NGO did the original information gathering. And if Israel wants better treatment at the UN they should stop running an Apartheid government.
That is neither evidence nor a source.
It is literally a source. And you won't see actual evidence without going there yourself.
Genocide Joe removed any restriction of human rights violations on the aid for israel so until you vote him out
Oh yes because Trump would use our forces to do it instead.
Look, don't counter with 3rd party. That's literally throwing your vote away.
Biden is the only way to beat Trump. There are backwards racists in the Democrats too. You're not going to get support for anything than an old white guy until at least 2028....
Isn't what you're doing straight up "whataboutism"?
Not when presented with "vote him out." At that point, you have to look at what that realistically looks like. If just pointing out what's wrong with Biden, then bringing Republicans up would be. But if you're looking at the choice between the two, it only makes sense to talk about them.
See you in the camps!
Who are you to tell people they are throwing THEIR votes away?
A person with an understanding of math
Americans will vote for two genocide enabling people before they even realize that they always had a choice. You people are so brainwashed it's scary. The democracy you have is a farce
No matter what you think is the proper way to approach change, in the meantime you are better off not voting for the authoritarian.
Yup, and voting third party.
They are completely free to say that
I read it as it's not up to somebody else to decide if your choice of vote is a waste.
It's up to each person to decide what to do with their own vote.
Sure, they're free to say it and the other person is free to point out that it's not up to "Anonymous Internet Person" to decide what is the right way for me to vote.
From my point of view in a system that's nowehere as undemocratic as the US, these "things are the way they are, so we have to accept these constraints" kind of responses to that post sure look like the kind of passive acceptance of injustice so common in dictatorships.
Go ahead, throw your vote away!
Just don't cry when you're in the camps .
What camp? Is this related to the rape centers from a few posts back?
It's one of the possible activities. I'm looking forward to basket weaving.
Probably a place where there's a lot of concentration on finding solutions. You know, the final kind?
Just say "I don't care about Genocide I only care about my student loans. Fuck Arab babies they can all die if I get some money. I am as morally reprehensible as every single billionaire I condemn".
Take your mask off already and stop pretending.
Friend I don't want to be raped to death in a 2025 US concentration camp so I'm voting for Joe. I'm sorry this is what it's come down to for many of us.
Yeah they said this shit in 2016 and you're all still alive. You can drop the fear mongering act now and just say you want all Arabs to die.
Thank you for explaining myself to me. I have never been more ecstatic to be a woman than after hearing this enlightened kind sentiment.
I'm just glad you don't give a shit about babies, kids and women ACTUALLY being mass murdered by Biden.
Children's hospitals full of little kids with already blown off legs are being bombed by Genocide Joe just to make sure they all die. But your fears are the only thing that matter in this world.
It's hilarious you're pretending you care about "arab babies" while parroting bullshit about "Genocide Joe" to try to have some moral high ground. It's very obvious to everyone, you're probably just mad the "wrong" people are getting killed.
It's hilarious how much mental gymnastics you will do to justify a Democrat committing LITERAL NAZI STYLE GENOCIDE.
I thought voting for Biden was supposed to prevent this kind of shit from being happening. Both parties are foreign agents. You vote 3rd party or you vote Nazi.
If only the world were as black & white as you seem to believe. I can vote my heart in the primary; I'll vote to win and stop the progression of far right Christofascism in the general election.
I recommend you do the same if you actually care and aren't just trying to discourge Biden voters.
Are you implying Biden isn't a Christo Fascist? He said he is a Zionist himself. Biden is a Nazi. Either the dems replace him or it's third party.
You just told a woman genuinely afraid of getting raped to get over it and that she actually hates xyz people.
You need to pause for a moment and ask yourself where you've gone wrong.
You just justified Nazism and Genocide by saying "vote for Genocide Joe else something bad might happen to me instead of brown people I don't know!"
Ask yourself that question. Where are your morals?
Hitler would have loved the current Americans in WW2.
So what are you gonna do genius? Vote for Trump which will make it 100x worse? A third party is never gonna have enough votes to win right now.
Yeah, when the entire country believes "third party isn't going to win, I have to vote for genocide :(" then obviously nothing will change.
Dude, chill.
I hate Trump but the stuff these people make up is absurd. How does voting for Trump lead to rape centers; except for the ones that already exist for Mexicans...
This is a good video if you're asking in good faith.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1M6CXhUS-x8
It's an interesting video. I suppose you are referring to the part where Trump does not care about your rights if he considers you part of the opposition? Is this going back to keeping the Mexicans in cages or something else?
Once an enemy or vermin has been dealt with, a different scapegoat is chosen. Eventually you or someone you care about becomes the scapegoat. The point being to recognize it before it gets to you and stop it.
Oh yes Trump, well known for opposition to authoritarian overreach.
What you should have said was nothing.
If anyone is still wondering why Hamas and other resistance factions are fighting, this is what happens when the IDF wins.
Fuck Hamas. They are not "resisting", they killed innocent civilians, women and children, and don't give a flying fuck about the Palestinian civilians either (cf Moussa Abu Marzouk's declaration that they are not responsible for defending the civilians in Gaza). They are a creation of the Israeli apartheid regime's own making when they were hoping to destroy the credibility of the PA, to perpetuate their colonialist narrative. Hamas and the Israeli apartheid are two sides of the same brutal, inhuman coin. Fuck Hamas as much as the Likud and the ultranationalist Israeli right to the seventh pit of hell.
on the radio I heard two scholars discussing recent polls that reveal a surprisingly strong level of support for Hamas among gazans even now, despite the level of backlash that has resulted. when asked why, they said that Palestinians have long given up any hope that negotiations could achieve their goal of freedom and independence. they said that since negotiating has clearly failed for decades, Palestinians feel that the only remaining option Israel has left them is aggression and violence. and Hamas is the leadership that is willing to resort to violence.
while I certainly feel awful about any innocent Israelis getting caught up in the original attack, I can't help but feel like Israel has done this to themselves. they have caged an entire group like wild animals for decades and somehow have the audacity to blame them for lashing out.
but let's be honest here. we have all heard these points and most of us have already made up our minds about it.
That's what trauma does to you. Initially, support for Hamas had dwindled before October 7th, but after you literally drop bombs and bombs on people until they have to carry whatever is left of their children in blankets and plastic bags, well...
It's hard to not let your emotions take over, but Hamas only exists because of the hatred of Israel.
Hamas exists because Israel doesn't want Palestines to exist.
Terrorist organisation typically don't continue to exist for extended periods of time without external assistance.
That's what I said:
This is silly, not mentioning Iran as the actual people training and funding Hamas is either very deceptive or evidence you have no idea about anything happening in the middle East.
Also acting like Hamas are the only terrorist organisation in the middle East and a total novelty is absolutely absurd, when people call them freedom fighters without any reference to what they're actually saying they're fighting for is again totally deceptive or from a total lack of understanding - they don't want freedom they want a theocratic dictatorship and death to all non Muslims.
That's not too say everything Israel have done of good or moral but painting Hamas as innocent people just fighting for their freedom is laughable
Oh blah blah blah, this whole situation is alot simpler that Israeli defence Muppets like.
Israel is NOT a poor developing nation. Their military is on par with the UK. Their economy is doing fantastic. Quality of life in Israel is growing.
Israel wether you like it or not are always going to be the bad guys in the situation simply because they should know better. They have been taunting, attacking and murdering Palestinians for 70 years. The only countries other than Israel that are to blame are the US and the UK.
So being successful when everyone is trying to kill you makes them bad but rich countries like Iran failing repeatedly to complete the genocides they fund makes them loveable roagues who can do no wrong?
You'll excuse me if I don't subscribe to your philosophy of life.
No, it's when you keep trying to slaughter Palestinians for colonial and racist reasons and succeeding at it continuously.
Israel is a country where Palestinians queue in cages and are strip searched only to be humiliated.
Fuck Israel today and every day until it stops what it's doing.
Because you're acting like it's an army Vs an army, it's not it's an army Vs civilians
Bastards killing civilians one direction. Bastards killing civilians in the other direction.
If the bastards could fucking kill the other bastards and not involve civilians, that'd be pretty swell. If the IDF and Hamas actually fight each other and no civilians are hurt, everyone wins.
When IDF wins? They could have done this years ago with Hamas started their raine of terror over Israel following Israel trying to do a good will gesture in Gaza. Instead Israel agreed to ceasefire after ceasfire that Hamas continously broke with thousands of rockets fired at civilians. This last massacre by Hamas was simply the straw that broke the camel's back.
You know why Hamas are fighting? Because their goal is to murder every jew they can. They don't want peace, they want blood.
For fucks sake, Hamas is not a "resistance faction" and pretty much nothing was happening until they decided to poke the bear. They're a bunch of worthless shitstains who don't give two shits about the welfare of Palestinians.
No, this is what happens when you give them an excuse.
There is never an excuse for blatant warcrimes.
Israel is worse than Russia, at least going by the numbers.
Israel has killed more civilians in 2 months than Russia has killed in 2 years.
To be fair though, the Russian army is a joke, and say what you want about the IDF, they're good at their job. Their job is to mostly murder innocent civilians, and they're quite good at that, much more efficient than the Russian army
Well they've been trained well
Yeah, but that's what we know of. It's suspected that there's a record breaking (for modern Europe) mass grave outside Mariupol. I doubt the numbers will get as high as the IDFs, but we can't get any independent journalists or investigators past Russia's front line from my understanding.
Also, like the other guy said, that fight is a bad professional army vs a better smaller professional army.
The IDF vs Hamas is an okay but cruel professional army against a relatively bad terrorist organization.
"Okay but cruel" seems like a weird way to say bad
Weird way to say "war criminals"
I think they meant good and bad in terms of skill level, not moral alignment.
Throwing American money on Children isn't skill though.
Skill would have been preventing 7 Oct with "worlds best intelligence agency". There is no skill in the IDF.
They likely arranged it, that would take skill.
I think he means their performance in combat, going by the way he spoke of Ukraine/Russia in the comment.
The Russians are far more Humane than the IDF.
Yeah, I wasn't sure how to phrase it. Well trained but bad is a better phrasing I suppose. I find it hard to use the word "bad" when both sides are "bad" idk. I get where both sides come from in the fight 🤷♂️
"Okay" means they are not as cool as they think. A good professional army would wipe its arse with them. Naturally Hamas is not that, nor anything threatening them.
IDF was literally created by combining terrorist organizations, Haganah and Irgun being the big ones. So, unless the militant wing of Hamas is the cruel, professional Army, it's terrorists vs. terrorists.
This opinion makes no sense to me. The US Army was also formed during a terrorist action, so was the Russian red army. We wouldn't have called the Russian red army in WW2 a terrorist organization, and we certainly wouldn't call the US military a terrorist organization. We could call them cruel or bad or whatever based on personal opinions, but we wouldn't call them terrorist organizations.
For a more extreme example, the Nazi military was far far worse than Hamas or the IDF and I still would call them a professional military. They were still state sanctioned, trained to a specific common standard, paid a wage, internationally recognized as a military force, etc. etc.
Mariupol
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casualties/
9000 killed 17000 injured in Ukraine in total. Sources are usually ~1000 above or below this number.
Israel killed more civilian in one month than Russia did since the start of their invasion.
Israel has already killed twice as many civilians now as Russia has in Ukraine.
Israel is wayyyy worse than Russia. The israelis are actual Nazis but Jewish.
Russia says "special military operation" instead of "war".
Israel says "war" instead of "Genocide".
Oh, i was expecting another cero after the flatenning of the city... thanks
Last month when Hamas terrorists were alleged to be doing the same, according to IDF, American diplomats were pressuring other countries to stop crying fro human rights and just condemn Hamas.
Can we start condemning IDF as a terrorist and genocider organization under control of a rogue government lead by a tyrant now? Just a little bit, please? We will condemn Hamas again, too, if it matters.
Spoiler: it never mattered.
"Those are Self defence mass executions you fucking antisemite" - Israel probably.
Coward yanks
When the culture and the legal system that is supposed to punish illegal activity like this, fails to do its job, the message to each individual is clear if not codified.
Behave as you want, because your leadership controls the information coming out to the wider world. Journalists are intimidated and killed.
If you are discovered, you will be quietly reassigned but not actually disciplined. Protests from the UN or other nations are dismissed using various tired phrases or tactics.
If you actually go to trial, the state will bow to pressure from the public and government officials and not sufficiently punish you for even crimes like murder. 18 months for a summary execution that was clearly premeditated and filmed. It doesn’t matter if the prosecution proves mens rea or that you were filmed loading a weapon first before slow walking over to your victim. You will get a downgraded charge to manslaughter and the broad public will push for your immediate release.
Funny, how you alter the source to make it seem more clear than it is. So here is the part you altered, as reported by the OHCHR:
'OHCHR has confirmed the killings at Al Awdabuilding, although the details and circumstances of the killings are still under verification.'
Just so you're clear, the person you replied to directly quoted the article word for word
The articles miss quoted then, and should therefore should be considered heavily biased.
Cool. But you went full tilt accusation at that guy. Like FULL tilt. Just trying to throw some humble your way.
Maybe he should double check if the source he quotes is trustworthy. BTW: he hasn't corrected his made-up quote.
There was no made-up quote. The quote was from the article, which left the end off a sentence, saying that the circumstances are under investigation, although the killings have been confirmed. So we have survivors accusing the IDF of slaughtering these people and we have the bodies, but it has not definitively been proven that the people were killed in the way the survivors claim. People can make of that what they will. I'm not trying to twist anything.
Here is the report (PDF):
https://reliefweb.int/attachments/e429c0e7-9da4-4d50-9c4d-d367e91aea12/unlawful%20killings%20in%20Gaza%20City%20copy.pdf
The correct way to to cite it would be: 'OHCHR has confirmed the killings at Al Awdabuilding [...].'
Its simply wrong to not do it. Especially cutting of the sentence at a ','.
And the last time a crime against humanity was still under investigation – where it was obvious that a rocket hit a hospital, but the exact circumstances where still unclear – it was later confirmed that Hamas hit the hospital.
OP 100% correctly cited the article. The quote ended there IN THE ARTICLE he was quoting from.
So maybe the article should have included that extra bit. However, my point is you're being a complete asshole and were wrong in your first post that accused him of altering the quote. You keep doubling down and moving the goalpost as to why you attacked him in the first place. Now, you've decided that he should have done more research.
The kinder, more conversational behavior would have been along the lines of "Sorry I accused you of changing the quote, which you didn't do. I was wrong. However, that quote sucks because..." And he might have said "oh damn, good catch. I still disagree though because..." And we could talk and not be shitty.
I mean at this point, these people basically want the whole report quoted in the article 🤣
Sorry but please read this again. The killings are confirmed, the exact details are under investigation. We have several witnesses attesting to the crimes and a pile of bodies riddled with IDF bullets. The killings are confirmed.
Also when you write articles, you can't include every detail for brevity. They provided the direct link to the report so you are able to read it yourself.
Killings are confirmed, but no one knows why and how.
No one? "No one" except for the survivors of it.
And the killers, obviously. Both parties directly involved, so their recountings have to be investigated.
So not no one.
My first reaction was just "what the fuck". I still can't believe what I'm reading, although I probably should have. I thought the IDF was better than a mass execution of civilians, but apparently not. They really want that Nazi comparison.
They genocide because they know any criticism can be shut down immediately and unequivocally with screeches of antisemitism.
"You think wiping Palestinians off the planet is bad? Clearly you want to wipe out the Jews!"
It really is that simple.
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/un-human-rights-office-opt-unlawful-killings-gaza-city
The actual report from the United Nations.
It just says allegations, and it calls on the IDF to investigate.
Of course the IDF should investigate itself. I'm sure they are completely unbiased.
Clearly you're right. But the UN report did not say what the article said it said. Which means it's biased reporting.
The article prefaces every item with the word "alleged" or "alleges", just like the report. How is this biased?
Because that word is not in the title
What are you expecting from "World Socialist Website"? Fact-based reporting? I don't think so.
For a site calling itself "socialist", it sure is scared of unabashedly calling out an apartheid ethnostate.
It really isn't, look at the other articles on that site
You're right, ig that article was a rare miss then.
I would like the articles referenced here in this community to be fact-based, and I would like our discussion to be based on reality. The situation is bad enough as it is without having to make things up
While I see what you mean by that, is the title being "biased" equal to the article being biased? Seems like all doubts are resolved upon reading the first paragraph.
Most people don't read the articles, they read titles and they take the inference and go to the comments and fight. Titles that are misleading are effectively lies.
In the propaganda war, titles are ammunition
Okay, good point, like I said, I know what you mean about the title, but does a bad title necessarily mean the article is not factual?
Yes. Misleading title is a lie. Putting that lie into the title of our community makes this entire discussion premised on a lie. Most people are not going to read the article, and the hasbara / propaganda of the title still gets the eyeballs. So it is a net negative
So yes that a bad title necessarily means the article is biased?
At this point, with the US influence on UN reporting bodies, I believe independent reporters over UN reports concerning the atrocities committed upon the Palestinian people.
And that's totally fair. And probably correct. But this article says the UN says something that the UN is not saying. Which means it's a bad article
It doesn't though. Only the headline does that. That's not good, but the article itself is not bad because of its headline.
If the majority of people only read the title, poisoning the title is effectively making the article bad. Even if the article itself is sufficiently conditioned.
So I will stand by my conviction that this is a bad article for this community.
Hmmmm, I find it strange that you are being pedantic and insistent on the title spoiling the whole article. The article does an excellent job being factual, linking to all its claims, and backing them all up.
I read the title again and again and I believe this is just a disagreement on the meaning of "report", between you vs. the rest of the readers who had no issue with it + the authors themselves.
Now I'm starting to think using the word "report" was actually more accurate... they literally mean that there was a report from the UN.
Reading the article again helped me realize this. Maybe it can help you too?
I think they'd just rather it said "UN reports Israeli forces are alleged to be carrying out mass summary executions in Gaza."
Still doesn't make the IDF look good, but it's a fair point.
Cool, no problemo. Can we now go back to discussing the killings?
What? The article says exactly what the report says. 'Allege' is legal shorthand for 'we say this is true'
The title does not say allege. The title says something very different
No, the title says precisely the same thing. To 'report' something to be true is the same as to 'allege' something to be true.
To report something is to make a finding. You may have an interesting definition of report, but the common usage is about findings. The UN did not make a finding that Israel committed a mass killing. The implication of the title is the UN made a determination which it did not do.
The UN is calling on Israel to investigate an allegation but it did not make a finding.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/report
I feel like this is quite pedantic.
considering you and I have both agreed the title is misleading. I'm not being pedantic. You understood what I meant, and you have acknowledged it.
So when the question of what the title actually means came up, it seems like a worthwhile discussion
Actually I read it again and changed my mind... wrote you another comment, do check it.
I think we've moved out of 'not understanding' and into the realm of 'you don't want to believe and you also don't want others to' territory.
Which would be fine if you were more honest about it. Have a nice day.
Fighting over dictionary definitions is the least interesting type of discussion. That's why we have dictionaries
We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong
When OHCHR drops a report like this it means they consider the allegations to be credible. It's the same level as the news calling someone an alleged murderer after the guy killed someone on national TV. The report in this case is based on witness statements and an investigation done by a human rights NGO out of Europe.
Thanks for sharing
Does not surprise me. A military force that stoops so low that they kill white flag wielding civilians in cold blood has already reached rock bottom.
Hamas is shit for putting terror and attacking Israel above taking care of their own civilians. Israel is shit for mass-execution of innocent civilians.
They're both shit, but we all know this will only end with Israel exterminating an entire population, which is even shittier.
The reason Hamas is in existence is because their peoples' homes being taken and the Palestinians being killed constantly, for years. What would you do if your nation has lived in their land for ages, and a people came and took your family homeland and killed your family, and took neighborhoods and whole swaths of areas, then penned you up so that you couldn't exit or enter your country without their permission...don't you think you'd rise up with some other warriors to do something, anything? That's what Hamas is. It is not a terrorist organization to go out and cause terror and trouble. It is the fighting representative of a beaten people.
Did you not notice the events that started this recent shit? Hamas certainly engages in terrorism, as does the IDF.
There’s an old adage that one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist.
Allowing a label to dictate your view of the events is naive at best.
I always say "if you look at it from the current government point of view, Luke Skywalker was just a terrorist."
Darth Vader blowing up Alderaan with the Death Star was justified self defense.
Uh, it's a nice saying, but it's not really that true. There are some defining differences in terrorists and fighting a war
Anyone or government can call an individual or group “terrorists.” To the British, American revolutionaries were terrorists. Every movie you’ve seen where the hero fights back against an evil government is a terrorist. Jason Bourne is a terrorist.
Did you not notice the giant wall around Gaza and the starvation and israeli bombing of their infrastructure before October the 7th?
Are you gonna call the Ukrainians terrorists too for blowing up the train track that connects Russia to China?
Good analogy.
It's so goddamn hilarious that because of history and The Holocaust we aren't allowed to bring up how deliciously ironic it is that a group of people that were rounded up for extermination are summarily rounding up a group of people for extermination.
I can't wait to see how this plays out in history.
Who's not allowed to bring it up? I'll say it all day. I give no fucks that Israel doesn't like it, fuck them.
Keep in mind the Holocaust was all Jews, and Israel here in no way represents all Jews, as much as they'd like to.
It fits in perfectly with history unfortunately. Members of group A inflict horror on members of group B. Some time passes, and some members of group B choose to inflict horror on group C and/or group A.
It's all just radical subsets of the population, who would love nothing more than to represent their whole group.
I would just like to point out that the Holocaust was not JUST Jews. Other people were persecuted as well (such as LGBTQ+ peeps)
Disabled people and political dissidents too. But LGBTQ+ people is especially apt to point out in this day and age.
And black people.
The Nazi campaign was mostly focused on Jews because they were the biggest and easiest to target minority but the Nazi's killed everyone that wasn't from "their group of people" and tried to replace that population with their own (expanding the Lebensraum)
Pretty much. If you weren't white and straight and a sycophant, you were on the chopping block. Normally women would probably be too, except they wanted that to have more Aryan babies 🤮
The Roma (aka Gipsies).
Everybody forgets them, strangelly.
I noticed that the holocaust page on Wikipedia conveniently forgets to state the other non-Jewish victims, then I realized that the Holocaust with a capital H only includes Jewish victims according to Wikipedia itself:
I don't really know what to think of this.
Apparently some don't like to include LGBTQ, the disabled, and non-Jews under the term "Holocaust" despite shit like this:
If anyone is well versed in genocide studies and history, please enlighten us!
Thanks for remembering.
Isreal is nothing but a continuation of the holocaust. The mass migration of jews from their nation of origin to a colony is genocide from all the European nations and America who supported and funded its creation. It was final solution part 2. Not even an original one, the nazis had the Same idea first for Madagascar
That’s ahistorical and makes no sense. So, the UN created Israel to genocide the Jews?
Don't agree with the comment you replied to, but I guess they meant “created Israel to get rid of the Jews in Europe”
Correct. Thank you for the positive interpretation. I can offer sources if you like.
It doesn't hurt to add sources in any case. I know that UN created the state but I doubt anyone documented the reason for doing that especially such one
Technically, Hamas aren't Palestinian in origin to begin with, they're from a group that once controlled Egypt and their power over Gaza Strip was maintained by the Israeli Government via various means including directly being funded by them and neighboring nations. So, it isn't their people. The don't give a fuck if Palestine faces genocide, never have.
[citation needed]
The Society of the Muslim Brothers first founded in Egypt in 1928 was able to establish in the neighboring nation in 1973 as Mujama al-Islamiya Islamic charity affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood, which later became Hamas in name in 1987. They also were the most prominent political group in Egypt from 1967 until 2013, when their president over Egypt was overthrown.
Hamas is from Suuni Islamist Egypt, for Suuni Islamist Egypt.
Yeah but that doesn't support your claim.
My claim is that Hamas' Origins were outside of Palestine, that Hamas doesn't give a fuck about Palestinian Genocide. I gave you a concise uncontested timeline of their formation. Maybe you're just too stupid to get it.
If that was your claim then you phrased it quite poorly. You said they aren't Palestinian in origin, which is blatantly false. I reocmment you rephrase your original comment so that the rest of us stop misunderstanding you.
The only solution I see is to build a wall around the whole area and just waiting for the shooting to stop eventually.
From the UN report cited.
Are organizations keeping track of those responsible for war crime trials? I would love to see a list of those responsible, from the lowest ranks to the highest.
I know of this one: https://www.commondreams.org/news/icc-israel
That's to the unwavering diplomatic cover and military help of the US, it's no surprise the far-right racists who are the elected government of Israel are turning the Gaza ghetto into a concentration camp, complete with mass executions.
I mean, even those who dispute them being actual Fascists, can hardly claim to be surprised that a racist ultra-nationalist government whose leader already tried to take over the Judiciary, engaged in an anti-insurgency operation in an occupied territory populated by people from a different etnicity who they call "human animals" and were they've already killed tens of thousands - more than 40% of which children - would end up doing mass executions. I mean, these are people who have more than once said they need a Final Solution for Gaza. The only surprising thing here is that they're still using bullets for it rather than cheaper methods of bulk killing.
The entirelly predictable consequence of the US veto at the UN was exactly to embolden their favorite Fascists to be ever more Fascist, since it made clear to them that the US would always have their back no matter what and any "words of condemnation" by the US Administration were nothing more than hot air.
Make All Gaza Auschwitz hats still available.
"Make Auschwitz Happen Again"
That slogan requires new hats to be made.
You mean to say those hats exist in our material reality?
They seem to be forgetting that the hats don't say "MAGA"
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Tropic-Hats-Adult-Embroidered-MAGA-Donald-Trump-Adjustable-Ballcap-Red/637262194
You're right. MAGA it is then.
I had only ever seen these before:
I think that there is more than enough justification for the Arab League to launch a retaliation at this point. I for my part would support it.
The Arab League is as divided as ever
Yep. The Arab league is a joke at this point, it has lost relevancy.
Instead of more slaughter, I'd like to see them provide land and assistance for a new Palestine in a safe place. Instead they won't even take in refugees.
It would probably be safer for everyone involved for the Israelis to move away instead.
Palestinians should get to keep their land.
If someone broke into my house, I wouldn't entertain moving out so as to reduce the risk of further violence.
They're mostly American puppet states such as Saudi and Egypt. Their government doesn't care about anything but pocketing money. American puppet Sisi was just reelected in Egypt by arresting everyone running against him.
Insurgency groups are growing though since their governments doing nothing really pisses off the civilians. They're not directly attacking israel but instead attack israeli or American targets close to them
Saudi has America, not the other way around. They knocked America's towers and they sold them weapons and shook their hands.
No Osama went out of Saudi to Afghanistan to fight the Russians with a group of Saudi Jihad warriors under American support.
Then when Russia was defeated in Afghanistan, Palestine cried for help against the Israeli genocide so Osama turned against America which was (and is) massively supporting the Israeli genocide.
The previous Saudi ruler Faisal did turn against America for Palestine and turned off the oil. Then he subsequently was assassinated by his nephew which loved America and had an all American get up. Most likely a CIA intervention but no evidence for it.
Now we have MBS, the current Saudi Leader. Hevonly wants money and will do whatever will give him the most money. He will not wage any wars (for Palestine for example). And his morals change at a whim to whatever provides the most money. He's basically Mr Crabs.
Wasn't it the Saudi funded radicalist Islam sect that were behind the attacks?
The Bin Laden family is a rich Saudi family and Osama was just one member. They cannot arrest someone's entire family for something that a random uncle did on his own
Radical Islam wasn't behind the attacks. It was vengeance for America ruining many countries and stealing their oil. I'd suggest you read his letter. https://www.newsweek.com/osama-bin-laden-letter-america-transcript-full-1844662
(He did use the word Jews instead of Zionists sometimes which was completely wrong and anti semitic)
Just like 7 Oct, 9/11 didn't just happen because someone picked up a Quran and disliked "freedom" as much as the American government likes people to believe so
The civilians of Saudi are Muslims but their government (the Saud family) are not that interested religious. They just wanna make bank selling oil. Problem is that if they go too much against the will of their population they risk a coup.
MBS still wants to recognize israel in order to make more oil money, but if he does so now without the Palestinians getting any rights back in return, his population (and worst case the military) will turn against him because he's just a greedy POS without any morals. Last thing he wants is a coup.
Only group doing that are iran proxies or Hamas affiliated terrorists.
Against a country with nukes?
If they’re afraid of attacking a country with nukes, they’ve already lost.
Please provide corroborating story link from a credible source. I will have to remove if the story link can't be updated to a more reputable source.
It was already removed by a mod and then restored. But yeah, no problem, I will find a better link and switch it now.
Edit: done
Thank you. We were getting reports on it, and I didn't want to remove it if it was a credible story.
ESH
That's eleven men.
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/un-human-rights-office-opt-unlawful-killings-gaza-city
This is bad and I don't want to justify or defend it. But this does not indicate mass executions of civilians as policy. It could well be a platoon leader who overstepped authority.
As the report states, the UN is calling for a formal investigation. As well they should.
What is the definition of a mass execution or massacre to you?
When I responded, the submission went to the World Socialist Web Site. I linked above to the actual report. If you read the actual report, you see that eleven civilians were murdered. And that's terrible. The report rightly calls for an investigation.
You ask, what is a mass execution or massacre? Well, what happened here is unlawful killings. It's a massacre. But my point was that an investigation was needed to determine if these killings were the result of Israeli policy or an event on the ground out of the hands of actual policymakers. Which would look something a whole lot more like the Katyn Massacre, where Soviet troops murdered 22,000 people in Poland during WWII.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
This doesn't diminish those eleven lives. But that's the difference between state policy and a military commander gone rogue.
Yeah, no need to explain that, it was well understood the first time.
I don't know if we can assume that anymore. The whole IDF is the former. Many Palestinians aside from those died in custody in circumstances the IDF wants to investigate, and then these 11, and in the upcoming months we will hear about a lot more.
You didn't answer the question. Your point was clear from the first comment I responded to. There was no need for over explaining it all.
I suggest you Google mass killing and massacre and summary executions. "Mass" doesn't imply thousands of people necessarily.
I'm not debating your point on mass executions. Even or 22,000. They're bad.
But if you claim these were murdered as policy set by top leadership, you need evidence. Not speculation.
The evidence is the collection of IDF crimes committed every day. Sorry the list is too long to put in one post. I suggest you use Google.
No. That is not relevant to this crime. At best, it is circumstantial.
What is needed are documents from official sources. Witness testimony from within the high command attesting to orchestration of this crime. Actual specifics.
You are on a witch hunt.
I don't think any of what you are saying here is a logical conclusion to "11 men"
Yes, just a completely consistent series of platoon leaders who systemically "overstep authority". These are fully and totally autonomous actions... that are culturally mandated. Why everyone is so upsets?
I assume some people think MASS KILLING and EXECUTION are just shocking words being used, when instead they just describe the ugly reality.
On one hand I can't tell Russia or Israel apart in the headlines anymore. On the other hand polls state that Palestinians want this to happen by their support of their Government causing this?
Do you think the Gaza government caused this mass killing of Palestinians?