Nazi supporters march through downtown Nashville
fox17.com
The group of more than a dozen masked individuals marched wearing red shirts and black pants, waving flags with swastikas on them. It is not clear at this time who the group is or affiliated with, though many of the shirts said "Blood Tribe."
Be like Captain America
'Tennessee Nazis.... I HATE Tennessee Nazis.'
The Tennessee chapter is rumored to be predominantly into children which is why they hide their faces
Free speech absolutism goes way too far.
Nazis marching is an implicit threat of violence and should be treated as such.
When free speech is implicit denouncement of equality it’s not free. It’s cancer and should be treated as such.
The absolutist view of "freedom" in general is the problem, in my opinion. Even more liberal/progressive/whatever people pay lip service to stopping the worst of people but we can't actually do anything about it because dems use all the same shady bs they complain about repubs using.
Of course somebody will throw a bitch fit about this idea, but the people who think freedom dies when you aren't allowed to root for genocide and slavery while threatening everyone are the same people who think it should be illegal for women to wear pants so fuck them - you don't get an opinion on freedom when your idea of freedom is restricting the freedom of others to live their life or threatening the lives of others.
Meanwhile Pelosi is accusing anyone who's critical of U.S. support for Israel as being a Russian plant. Here's a crazy idea, instead of considering walking back free speech rights in the name of security we try something less drastic? Like I don't know, maybe electing someone different than Biden in the 2020 primaries? Maybe not blocking worker strikes? Maybe not sending weapons to a country using them to commit war crimes?
Let's try all those things first before we jump to removing first amendment rights.
What on Earth does this have to do with Pelosi or Israel?
Right-wing ideologies moving inexorably to it's logical conlcusion has nothing to do with right-wing ideology moving toward it's logical conclusion?
Because according to Pelosi, criticism of U.S. support for Israel is a threat of violence as well.
Why should I give a shit what Pelosi has to say?
Dude is misquoting her anyway.
Lol, I hope this is a bot account. If not, how does it feel to have two brain cells fighting for third place?
Memorialize this bra so current and future generations have proof of your stupidity.
*brah
breh
The GOP. They’re affiliated with the GOP.
They should have said “it’s not documented at this time…” because like you said, it’s not exactly unclear.
Of course they were wearing masks. If they sincerely thought their beliefs were in the right, they wouldn't care if people knew who they were. They would proudly show themselves and stand behind those beliefs publicly.
Cowards.
Not defending them, but they can certainly think they are in the right and realize that most of society violently disagrees with them. I'd say they were smart to wear masks to avoid repercussions from their vile, awful, hateful behavior.
I hope that if their names come out that they lose their jobs, get their asses kicked, get disowned by family and friends, and get run out of town. They know that many people feel the same as I do so, even if they really believe the filth they represent, they are probably scared to show their faces.
Nazi scum.
Shoot them? I mean you have guns over there right, so for fuck sake use them at least once for a good reason.
Exactly. Americans are always going on about how they need guns to defend themselves from tyranny.
You have tyranny marching on your streets. Just go and shoot them with your guns. What’s the issue?
What's the issue?
You don't see any issue in allowing vigilante justice where civilians are free to murder people on the streets that have differing opinions from that of their own? Is this the world you want to live in? You think there's any chance the outcome might be something different than what you hoped for?
Being nazi is "having a differing opinion"?
I doubt nazis have any opinions that differ from his.
Opinion, world view, religion, sexuality, race ...
This isn't about just nazies. If one advocates for a world where common people are allowed to take justice into their own hands and just murder people perceived to be bad then that is a horribly violent world where nobody is safe. I would be making the exact same argument on a right wing forum where someone suggest we should just shoot the communists. That's a horribly ignorant thing to say.
It literally is just about literal nazis. Yes, they should shoot Nazis until Nazis go away again.
Pacifism didn’t win WW2, and it won’t win now. This “enlightened centrist” take is why this is happening again. Libs, socDems, demSocs, anarchists, Marxists and communists need to realize that fascism is here. It’s not going away with “talks.”
People here are literally advocating murdering others for thought crimes. They only need to hold a set of certain beliefs and that is a good enough justification to murder them. No, actually it's even worse; people only need to think you hold a set of beliefs and that's enough. One doesn't need a PhD. to figure out how a society acting in that way will go sideways in a heartbeat.
Not thought crimes. Marching in the streets with literal swastikas on flags. Their "set of certain beliefs" killed 17 million people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims) as part of their beliefs: and that's without counting the deaths they caused by starting a war.
It's not some clever gotcha to pretend this is a grey area. It's not folks saying to go after GOP members, people in militias that are dogwhistling, or even the Proud Boys. It's not folks that loudmouths on twitter are claiming are nazis. The issue here is literal fucking nazis. I actually have a PhD, and I consider it wise to chase literal goddamn nazis out of town with violence. Tolerating the most extreme intolerance is not a path toward a good future.
Ask Heather Heyer if she thinks Nazism is just a thought crime?
Read about the Paradox of Tolerance before the leopards eat your face.
They're Nazis you prat.
Nazis, dude. "Perceived," my ass.
I'm not talking about just nazies.
Also, vigilante justice like this means there is no court process and investigation about wether said person actually is guilty of the crime they're accused of. Innocent people will fall victim to it aswell. I'm sure there are more that one people in this thread thinking I'm a literal nazi aswell but I'm not and murdering me would mean murdering a person for "crime" they did not commit.
Cool. What other groups are you talking about?
Yes, you fucking are.
Making death threats is already illegal in the US, i don't see how waving nazi flags doesn't fall under that.
You're not allowed to murder people on the streets for making death threats either.
Yes, unless you share that same opinion, then it's just the same. Welcome to the world, some people suck and you might not agree with all of them. That doesn't give you the power to be supreme leader over all of nature.
They. Are. Nazis.
They are Nazis. Vigilante justice is the reason for the 2nd amendment.
if it's only Nazis I'm completely fine with it. Shot those fucks.
We tried calling in the police but strangely they were all busy with some other event.
Laundering their white hoods, of course.
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Yeah, I don't know if free speech covers this.
We (Allies) never made peace with the Nazis. We crushed their military and hanged any officials that didn't eat cyanide, but there was no treaty or surrender. We didn't even let the Germans govern themselves until we could figure out who wasn't a Nazi.
I would argue that anyone who flies that flag is effectively pledging allegiance to an enemy. And like... The enemy. The guys who industrialized genocide and literally tried to take over the world.
So idk about shooting them if they're just jerking each other off in the street. But I would like to channel Aldo Raine and carve swastikas into their foreheads.
Dude come on. Plenty of officials in West Germany after the war were Nazis. We took Nazis and used them in NASA. The US loves Nazis if they serve the ruling class or are the alternative to socialism.
The west made peace with nazis when they saved nazism by filling Germany's post-war intelligence services with them. That, and the fact that the ruling elites in the west never gave up it's admiration of them in the first place.
And something tells me these nazis ain't bright enough to get paperclipped.
The cops get really pissy about that for some reason. Guns for me (and my Nazi buddies) but not for thee, i guess.
I fucking hate Tennessee Nazis.
yeah. They taste much worse than even Texas Nazis.
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i heard
People have to step up and denounce this stuff publically, openly and loudly enough everywhere. And I don't mean causing violence, attacking or assaulting anyone in any way. I mean more people should step up and just state how they do not accept this and pressure their government representatives to act and do something and say something to discourage individuals like this.
If people are silent, and don't know about it then they are just the ignorant masses.
If they are silent but know that it is happening but still say nothing ... then they are complicit, because their silence is an acceptance of movements like this.
American is slowly diving into a rabbit hole that the world already visited almost a century ago.
It's easy to deal with now and it's easy to stand up and tell everyone you don't accept this.
The longer everyone stays silent and passive, the more their chances of saying anything evaporates.
When it goes on for too long and too far .... it takes far more energy and activism to stop this ugly movement.
The last time it went too far ... it took a world war and millions of dead everywhere in order to stop it ... and even then, it wasn't stopped, it was just merely controlled and brought down to a manageable level because it never really disappeared.
I liked when they just marched along side the nazis blaring circus music
I'm personally a fan of this one- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs4P1kKK-5k
"Why a tuba?"
"A calliope's too heavy."
Sprinkle in a little bit of "Loser" by Beck.
Well said.
Principiis obsta et respice finem — 'Resist the beginnings' and 'Consider the end.'
Thank you for sending me down this path of little research
They Thought They Were Free, by Milton Mayer (written in 1955)
Some notes taken from this blog - https://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2005/11/they-thought-they-were-free
Milton Mayer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Mayer
They Thought They Were Free - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Thought_They_Were_Free
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Thanks for sharing this little tidbit ... Now I have to go a read the book for myself
I really should have mentioned that book is where I got that from, glad you were able to find it and for spreading awareness of it with your update.
Overall I enjoyed the book but it wasn't what I was expecting going in based on that large block (mostly included on that blog link) about the slow boiling of fascism. Super depressing subject to be reading about not out of historical curiosity but increasing modern relevance :(
The Brits didn’t defeat Mosley and his fascism with denouncements.
The idiots in the news story are a small group of masked thugs that don't even want to be identified. So they would be far easier to denounce with words and counter protest.
Mosley was an open political leader that plastered his name everywhere and led mass public rallies that had a sizeable following. He also had a lot of political support and funding by wealthy backers who believed in this movement. Even the royal family had deep and sympathetic connections to fascist and far right ideology. At the point in history at the height of his movement ... there was not much else to do than to throw a stone at his face to stop him from going further.
Why not denounce them while throwing stones?
Then you would be no better than them
100 people denouncing 10 people is far more convincing than 1 person using violence against 10 opponents because those ten people now have the excuse to use more violence to promote their movement.
Start with education, awareness, promotion, public support and campaigning against these movements .... violence only comes when there are no more options left and there is no longer anything else to lose.
Nice pontificating. I don’t disagree. I’m glad you still have that luxury. I’ll find a nice brick and save it for you if the shit hits the fan.
Edit: See ya in 7 months.
This is an article on a local Tennessee FOX News page. The comments on the article have some disgusting whataboutism brain rot being posted trying to distract from the fact that THERE ARE LITERAL NAZI FLAGS BEING MARCHED UNIRONICLY IN PUBLIC. Tennessee has some filth within its borders..
These people are in every state.
Yeah but try this in Queens.
yeah, but i don't know of any states that don't.
these guys definitely should've caught a lot more hate than they did though. if some horrible accident befell those people, it'd have been a net positive for everyone else.
personally i've always hated Illinois Nazis, and i think i hate Nashville Nazis more.
Illinois has very few. Come try this in Chicago.
People also unironically go to Kid Rock's bar in Nashville.
Conservatism is a plague of oppression, sickness and death. It should be outlawed entirely.
We could at least take a page from modern Germany's laws and prohibit public expression of right wing ideologies. They know first-hand what happens when you don't deal with an infestation early.
How about we take a page and a box of .45 from grandpa and his lessons about how to deal with Nazis. You don’t ask, or deal, or outlaw it.
The 1911 should be cleaned and oiled regularly.
Hear, hear!
The entire German political establishment is right-wing (just like every other formal political establishment on the planet) - so obviously those laws don't mean squat.
How fascist of you
Incorrect. Working toward the mitigation of oppressive ideologies (like conservatism) is not fascism. It is the exact opposite.
Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation.
Hateful AND fascist. Double whammy!
You continue to prove me right. Good job, Sparky! Lol
The infuriating part is when everyone on the Right goes on Twitter and pretends they are "feds" pretending to be Right Wing for...reasons? "Feds" was trending on Twitter as this happened, and the last time there was a fascist March, the one with the khakis.
Like I'm glad they are disowning these guys but doing it by calling them Feds is actually not saying it would be bad if it was real, seems like only a matter of time before one of these groups gets into a Waco-style shootout with police and they become martyrs for some reason.
The cops and FBI are riddled with right wing nutjobs. There's not been a Democrat to hold the position of FBI director, afaik.
Like how "antifa" did Jan 6? It's just every person who got caught and put on trial was the MAGA exception they "tricked" into the insurrection.
But simultaneously if they DID get arrested or something else happened Republicans would IMMEDIATELY be demanding their release.
Just like how J6 was all Democrat agitators but if Trump wins he'll be pardoning them all Day one.
Trump ain't gonna pardon shit. Do you know how much effort signing something takes, especially if it's helping out poor people? He'll leave em to rot except maybe one high profile case to make a show of things.
The Party of Personal Responsibility seems to be full of people who believe that any time someone agrees with them in public, it's part of a nefarious government plot to make them look bad.
I miss when Nazis weren't such cowards they covered their faces. How else are we supposed to ostracize them from society.
It shouldn't be that hard.
It shouldn't be that fucking hard to be at least the slightest bit of a decent human.
The first time MAGA wore masks of their own volition.
For anyone wondering, the group is the "Blood Tribe" led by Christopher Pohlhaus.
https://www.adl.org/glossary/christopher-pohlhaus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Tribe_(neo-Nazi_group)
Dickless losers.
Yo that's kinda demeaning to people without dicks.
They're spineless and witless and heartless and brainless and feckless. But the presence or lack of a dick has no bearing on character.
Thats offense to invertebrates
Because they identify as male, and yet they may as well not have a dick, for all the value they bring to society.
Most people without dicks are not losers.
Granted, I accept that there is a subset of people who do not have a dick and are also losers, and most of these people do not deserve to be associated with these scum.
However, ultimately, the purpose of my comment was quite clearly not to insult those people, but to dig into the core of what the people in the march hold valuable and insult them.
If you're not a member of the march, you're not a dickless loser. However, if you are in the march, then in reality you are a dickless loser because neither you nor your penis (or lack thereof) has no value to society.
I don't think there were any women in this march.
This is a rally of Donald Trump supporters.
If this was 1945, these people would be shot on the streets.
Nazi’s did not stop becoming the enemy just because the war ended. The Nazi party being abolished was a condition of surrender.
As far as I’m concerned, a Nazi on US soil is an invading enemy soldier and should be shot on site.
Speaking of Nazis, we don't use apostrophes to pluralize words.
My fone did it.
There was a Nazi Party of America which was quite popular before the US entered WWII and there are still millions of them today (based upon Trump voters).
Doubt
Canada was mass importing Nazis after ww2 to counter communism, I imagine the US did the same considering they imported their scientists
Patton wanted to push onward and take the fight to the Soviets after the defeat of the Reich, and iirc he was amenable to joining forces with the Nazis. Or I could be thinking of Churchill and Operation Unthinkable, I don’t know. Either way, people were a-okay to cozy up with right-wing authoritarians to fight left-wing authoritarians (or just the left in general, I guess), and that continued all throughout the Cold War, from Latin America to Central Asia, so you can’t be far off, if not just right.
They did, and along with the Catholic Church, also facilitated the escape of numerous war criminals to South America for the same reasons. Not only Nazis, but their allies from other occupied countries.
So...they are neonazis and they somehow name themselves after a primitive type of group, a tribe, that belongs to an inferior civilization, according to their views? Are they incapable of proper thinking or what?
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Tribes are just a human thing. The Vikings were basically a tribal society and they fucking love them.
Still, they were barbaric primitives who had an inferior civilization to the usual stuff from those times. Ew.
You seem to have a fundamentally incorrect view on how they view these things, but quite frankly it's way too complicated to explain in a comment, so, idk.
Read a book that discusses fascism and its love of syncretism, or listen to the Behind the Bastards episode on Hitler's favorite novel series or something if you want to understand why Nazis love tribal warrior cultures, or at least things they can pretend are their ideas of such.
barbarian was just the word romans to describe non-romans. It's simply roman propoganda to call any tribes that weren't roman barbarians. The implication that their customs were somehow cruel compared to modern standards is also way off base. It's simply a way to dismiss a people and a culture because it's not your own, which if you ask me is pretty fucking barbaric.
Glory to Rome. They should make a comeback
Oh my bad, I didn't realize I was talking to someone of your intelligence.
I don't know what about their actions makes you think they are capable of complex thoughts.
They want to hate. They don’t care about why.
Insert krombopulous Michael quote here
The American police is busy tacking real anti-semitism
That is one of the scarier things I have seen in a while.
Wait what are we seeing here? What's the antenna thing?
It's a camera. They were doing laps for hours taking pictures of all the protestors.
"There are dozens of us! Baker's Dozens!"
Lots of these people driving around and honking in Ontario.
You sure those weren't geese?
Judging by the comments in this thread; we should try talking to them.
It is MORE THAN A DOZEN!!!! Like 14!!!! Maybe even 15!!!!
I think the best thing to do is to let them humiliate themselves.
The best thing to do is punch them and toss them in the deepest hole you can find. The second best thing to do is to let them humiliate themselves. You just have to be careful with that second one though because of the saying about a nazi drinking at a bar.
If you see someone punch a nazi, no you didn't. That nazi fell.
I agree about punching them in the deepest hole.
I disagree. You can fight them not descending to their level. You are better.
I could sit at home jerking off with Cheeto dust on my titties and be better than them, but that doesn't get Nazis off the street. They already understand that their actions are wrong that's why they wear masks. They are not humiliated, humiliation won't work.
You don’t tolerate intolerance.
If they just marching, they have not done anything unlawful or even installer at except speech.
Except when the intolerance is directed at people/groups we don't like
When you have to be a contrarian so fucking bad you turn nazi for it
They are Nazis. Fuck sakes.
Read up on the paradox of tolerance.
It's not clear that you don't like them.
I kind of think if they got punched in the fucking face on a regular basis maybe we would see a lot less of them and their evil bullshit.
be better all you want. but personally just fucking them up on sight would be ok with me.
let other people be better, but the being better part is what allows these kinds of people to freely march in the first place.
these people thrive on confrontation, and feel that confrontation will make others flock to their side. i think we should give them all the confrontation they want, basically at every opportunity. being better than them is good in the long run. being worse than them will get them off the streets.
this is Nashville, we can do both.
Punching a Nazi isn't sinking to their level. Shooting a Nazi in the head and burying them in a shallow grave would be sinking to their level. Punching them in the face and reminding them that they never should have crawled out of whatever rock they'd been hiding under is just being a good American. It's what Captain America would do after all.
If every time a Nazi pokes their head out they get punched in the face, one of two things will happen, either they'll stop poking their head out, or they'll reevaluate their life choices and decide to stop being a Nazi. Either option is a win for everyone else.
Dude they're fucking Nazis
They wear masks because they know what they do is unacceptable and would ruin their livelihood if it could be traced back to them personally.
They are still out there matching as Nazis.
Humiliation is not enough.