Well i am certainly not using reddit on my tablet anymore.
Honestly Reddit doesn't infuriate me anymore. I haven't been on reddit for 2 weeks now and I no longer feel the urge to check that site. I expect I'll still end up there occasionally when I search for stuff, but gone are the days when I spend an hour or two every night on reddit.
Why would I go on bad lemmy?
That’s actually been my experience as well lol.
I did actually deliberately jump on reddit on desktop recently, just to check on a few things and see how the protests were going.
There wasn’t really anything informative on the front page that hadn’t already been posted here. The quality of posts actually seemed worse overall
The quality of the posts being worse makes sense, I'm guessing some of the Reddit power users moved here and they were generating the majority of quality OC on Reddit.
I also feel like it's become more right wing. Or at least now that some people have left, the balance has shifted further to the right. I went on yesterday, and r/WhitePeopleTwitter, a fairly left wing sub, is now having a lot of Republicans. Really killed my desire to go back. It was something I know a lot of people predicted would happen, but still sad in a way to see.
Edit: Also the fact that the main niche subs I went to are dead. They used to be pretty active, but since they reopened, a lot of users were not happy. So now it's a post every few days. I think one of the subs just got completely deleted. Sadly they're not as active here.
I opened Reddit, saw no bean posts so I immediately closed it.
Same for me. When RIF stopped working I went into Lemmy and haven't went on Reddit since. The FOMO I thought I'd get isn't there because I'm active and welcome here. I have people to connect with, and that's what I really only wanted out of a social site like this.
There's still quite a few subreddits I miss. Plus the larger community. Some communities are here, but they're dead with no users, and I don't really have what to contribute.
I wanted to try listing all of them, but I realized there's like 40 of them.
Mostly, I miss r/batteries, r/ElectroBOOM, r/linuxmint, r/ManjaroLinux, r/LinuxMasterrace, r/SpaceXMasterrace, r/pcmasterrace, r/computers, r/laptops, r/amateursatellites, r/whatisthisthing and r/RTLSDR which also had cool people like developer of noaa-apt and Ryzerth, the developer of SDR++, plus many more.
Edit: Oh, how could I forget dereksgc, another cool guy who puts out lots of useful info.
Things will slowly grow if we all stick with Lemmy though. It's really just a matter of time until it reaches a critical mass.
Yes that's the only thing I would miss from Reddit. The wealth of knowledge that lives on their servers and the community until they more over here
It’ll come with time.
Personally I have no idea why there's too little activity of Linux users moving over to Lemmy.
Edit: I take it back, a simple search for "Linux" using wefwef and sorting by Top shows !linuxmemes@lemmy.world with a very active userbase.
I still get a little heartbroken seeing the Apollo icon on my dock. 😭
I couldn’t bring myself to uninstall it completely so I just removed it from my Home Screen, it can live out its retirement in the app library
The only sub I go to now is my local city's subreddit for a good stream of local news and happenings. That hasn't migrated to Lemmy yet and I don't want to moderate it so I'm not making it here lol
Can we please stop with all the posts about reddit? Jesus christ you guys it's a website, not your crazy ex. Lemmy is never going to surpass reddit in popularity when the only thing on the frontpage besides beans is "reddit this, reddit that".
You sound mildly infuriated.
He should make a post about it!
This too shall pass. Also. Welcome to the internet!
Have a look around.
Anything that brain of yours can think of can be found.
And if it can't, and you've reached the edge where there is nothing further, you write a Tutorial.
we’ve got mountains of content
Some better, some worse
If none of it's of interest to you, you'd be the first
Weeelcome, to the internet!
come and take a seat.
Would you like to see the news or any famous women's feet?
Honestly, I'm really trying to like Lemmy. I feel like none of the good communities came over here, just the one's you mindlessly scroll through. I just looked for a fitness community yesterday and the one i found had like 5 posts. There is basically no communities for any of my hobbies. It seems like most people stayed on Reddit, except for the techy people. It's a shame because I really want to support the idea of federation and I do like the website.
Be the change you want to see. There are probably other people looking for those coversations, but see low engagement and move on. The more you post the more attractive it makes the community for other people.
I have also found that even if there are fewer comments, other people tend to respond and have more discussions.
I do have alot of hope that well see the community continue to grow & hopefully more activity as people search out reddit alternatives.
it's only been like a week, people will come
If you build it they will come.
I heard that same advice about The Bunny Bar down the street, and you know what? They were right!
It's been three since the exodus became measurable. And it is markedly better.
I initially had the same lament, but since we're early adopters of this tech, it really is on us to build the communities here. If you want to discuss something, just post a thread. Even if no one replies right away, as people start coming they will start engaging with posts that are already there.
That's a fair point, I noticed if I open baconreader, I can still see my subscribed sub list. I need to learn how to make subs on here, and as you suggest, either find them, or get off my ass and make them myself.
On a nice side note, being an early adopter, I was able to get my username back without some damned number stapled on the end.
The endless scrolling communities are the easiest to move. They're low hanging fruit. One of the other replies to you here nailed it... without a massive community of millions, the future of Lemmy rests on the more modestly sized community here willing to actually come out of their lurk and not just respond to posts, but to start posts on their own and actually drive the content.
I feel the same way about music production-related communities here. I just don't have much to ask and I suck pretty badly at it so I don't feel like I'm good enough to drive content/discussions lol
music production-related communities here.
Probably not what you mean, but if you wanna start doing anything, I've got a com specifically for sheet music and tabs, and God Almighty does it blow. It could use a fresh insight.
I'm one of the unwashed, ignorant music production hobbyists who can't play a lick of anything on an actual instrument, and certainly can't read sheet music (I figured out tablature a long time ago when I was trying to teach myself guitar and have forgotten since). I can noodle around on a 25-key MIDI keyboard well enough - like I have a good handle on the patterns for different keys and scales on the keyboard, but I can't actually play. I'd take you up on the invite, otherwise.
Check out some of the yellow mandolin tabs. The way I've been doing it is a matching game and MSpaint.
Which fitness subreddits need growth? I have arrived.
The only real community I saw that migrated was r/piracy. Otherwise, I've experienced basically the same thing you have.
Even from 3 weeks ago, this place has grown hand over fist. Just give it a few more weeks and it'll be pretty much new Reddit.
It's less than a week after the largest website in the world shit the bed. It's still topical.
sad bean noises
Yeah it seems most of the posts on the front page are about Reddit or about how proud people are of using Lemmy etc I just want to see some actual content :(
It’s classic tribal or “sports team” mentality. Ex-redditors want to see reddit fail just as much as Lemmy succeed.
It's not a sports team mentality. The CEO pretty much disparaged a lot of users who were actively engaging in profit-making ventures for Reddit. Moderators, being unpaid spam filters, were lauded as entitled brats (landed genetry). He also explicitly got mad that people were using "his" content, content that Reddit never made yet is happily wants to profit off of. He did all of this while basically calling third-party app developers leeches despite them making apps with features Reddit's native app lacks.
People want to see Reddit fail because Reddit pissed off the people that generated their value. People want to see Lemmy succeed because it is federated and cannot be abused like a central platform.
I’m only explaining the behavior. There’s very good reason for it, and I very much also want to see both Lemmy succeed and Reddit fail.
I do imagine those type of people exist too, but probably not that much on Lemmy. Think of the 4chan type that love their "tribe" stirring up drama in other "tribes". Lots of that still on Reddit too, and hopefully it stays over there.
Not gonna lie, I'd absolutely love to watch reddit implode while eating some popcorn.
It's an online community that people have been using for decades. The fact that many of us can't use it anymore is a real issue, even if it isn't relevant to you (believe it or not).
I can for sure see both sides of this one. I had ditched all other social media years ago, and baconreader was my one guilty pleasure.
If I had my phone in my hand, I was catching up with other old skaters like myself, reading about the latest trends in tech, or browsing the daily news.
The tag line of "Front page of the internet" was quite literally true for me. That was the portal through which I found content.
In the weeks leading up to the June 30th, I felt a strong sadness, what was I going to do with my screen time? I had created a very custom space using baconreader that neither the reddit app, or to be fair, Lemmy, could provide.
While I am really enjoying learning about Lemmy, and I feel the quality of the post and comments here are far better, it's going to take time to find and/or develop those niche communities again.
I do however agree, and the ex analogy is spot on, that the last thing I want is for this community to just be a bitch fest about what once was.
Give people a bit of time to vent, it hasn't even been a week since a decades long experience came crashing to a halt through no fault of ours.
It certainly is crazy, and some people spent more time there than with the grilfriend they never had, so...
Ouch
Can we please stop with all the posts about reddit? Jesus christ you guys it's a website, not your crazy ex.
But, if my ex isn't crazy, then I must've been the crazy one... and that just couldn't be possible, right?
Fucking same. If folk don’t miss it please stop telling every cunt how much you don’t miss it.
Tbh you all need to get used to it for a while, every day new people join and they wanna talk about their migration, it's what's going on for them right now, you had your moment let them have theirs
Redditors still talk about the great digg migration that happened over a decade ago.
It'll get less important and prevalent but for the time being let people enjoy their new toy.
Digg was rarely brought up on Reddit until valid comparisons were able to be drawn between platforms. The elevated Reddit talk on this site will naturally subside in due time.
Agreed. I saw your post and reddit.
This is why I eventually left Mastodon after a month of use. People are not moving on 😬
Can we all just leave the Reddit chatter to the Reddit or Redditmigration communities at this point please? If not yet, then maybe soon? This ex-partner behavior is just going to turn off new people from joining in the long run.
Yes! It seems that half the community posts on here are just Reddit-bashing and that isn't going to drive engagement at all.
What is that app possibly made of that it cant run on literally anything? It's just an app for text and images. I dont get it, is it optimized like an actual potato?
is it optimized like an actual potato?
Back when it was still in beta, it went through a period where it drained my battery from 100% to dead in under 30 minutes.
Just by being installed, not even actually using it.
Facebook still does this to me. I log in via Web app now.
Could be a library or feature that the devs didn't consider worth maintaining on older devices.
For context, the OP appears to be using Android 5 or 5.1, released in 2014/2015 respectively and is used on 1.1-1.3% devices worldwide.
What a stupid anti-human shit, I hate it. All my devices from 10 years ago are still perfectly fine and operational, and I can't use them because of some people's laziness. They are used on 1% devices not because they are necessarily bad or broken but because it's impossible to use them now for arbitrary reasons.
This really has nothing to do with being lazy, a lot of modern software just straight up isn't supported anymore on such old systems. Making it compatible and testing it on those old platforms makes no business sense at all. Far too expensive with little to no benefit overall.
If anyone is to blame here it's the phone manufacturers that don't provide updates to those devices.
Exactly. Rag on Reddit all you want, but a company maintaining compatibility with an almost 10 year old OS version is a bit much.
Windows 8.1 Release: October 17, 2013
Windows 8 EoL: January 10, 2023
Exactly, they EOL it after 10 years. And that's MICROSOFT. Reddit is smaller by many orders of magnitude.
If anything, backward compatibility is Google's fault.
Bingo. For a lot of devices, especially anything made after 2015-ish, there's no real reason why mid to high-end devices couldn't be running the most recent OS version outside of "it's a lot of work to certify updates for so many devices". Thankfully Android has a custom ROM scene which keeps devices going for a few years longer.
I've never seen such an aggressive take on maintaining backwards compatibility haha
Well, true. But it is more reasonable to hate the manufacturer who refused to update, not the app devs who would have to do more work for small gain.
Or unofficially update your own device, if possible.
I'm not hating on the developers, I'm hating on the whole situation
Mobile devices have become like 20x more powerful in the last 10 years lol. Found my Dad's old Galaxy S3 while cleaning the house, and it was still in working condition. Just soo freaking slow cause all the websites and were made for better hardware.
Yeah, except for the fact that modern Samsung s20 is not really that much more powerful than your s3. Sure it has more RAM, significantly more, but the processor is barely twice as good.
10 years old device has plenty power to run whatever website can offer, apart from maybe some battery degradation. Hell, I have 20 years old laptop that can do that. The reason it doesn't is not technical, it's almost exclusively economical, by which I mean "lazy cheap bastards don't give a flying fuck about the mountains of e-waste we produce"
This is just an ignorant take on things. The S20 has like 4x the core count, and each one of those is at least 2x as energy efficient, and 4x more powerful.
No way the S20 is only slightly more powerful than an S3. If you're not using any CPU intensive apps, such as games, then yeah, you aren't going to see a massive difference. My S7 still runs well enough for browsing, music, and videos, but my S10 will run circles around it if I actually leverage its capabilities.
One of the reasons is security, older Android APIs let your apps do whatever they want. You probably could try to find an apk that would work on older devices, but google has minimal API requirements that involve permissions and data access, and if your app doesn't support them it wont be allowed on the Play Store. So even if devs supported other devices, you wouldn't find the app on the store.
Probably the same team that used to make the Snapchat Android app back in the day
What makes it even more ridiculous is that it was originally a perfectly functional 3rd party app that they bought out. AlienBlue worked on ipads. A decade ago.
I mean, look at the facebook app. They had to do "optimizations", because they ran into limits of Android's Dalvik a few years back.
More than a few years back - they've long since replaced dalvik with ART.
Or i confused dalvik with art. Don't know anymore. Facebook app got leaner?
No, it's just been about 10 years since they had that issue. Facebook mitigated it by splitting its services into multiple apps.
Huh, time flies.
Tell me about it. Dalvik was replaced by the ART in Android 4.4 Kitkat IIRC, which is what my Nexus 7 shipped with back in 2013. Feels like 3 years ago rather than 10.
What is this redit you are talking about? I don't know what that is.
Well now how are you going to see all those ads?
They detected that you must be too poor to be worth supporting. It's simple economics. They needed to be able to balance out the incredible infrastructure costs you were bound to incur.
Great news.
I only ever used Reddit in Firefox on desktop anyway - but now I use it a whole lot less (maybe just one reply per day trolling people with interesting posts they'd be better posting here).
Lemmy is a shit-show... but it's OUR shit-show and we'll adjust, and clever people will develop.
Right on man. My last comment on R3dd!t told people the amount of time they spent figuring out how to still use 3rd party apps, they can direct that effort into learning how to participate in the Fediverse. Got a hundred-ish downvotes so that means a hundred people now know Lemmy exists.
you mean poop-show
MY shit-show ya commie bastard. NEXT.
The app is named joey but the icon is of a koala??? 🤔
Although commonly known as a baby kangaroo, a joey is basically a baby marsupial. So that can include koala, opossum, wombat, etc.
TIL
And baby Monotremes (Echidna, Platypus) are called Puggles.
And then there's eutherians (placental mammals)
Which have all sorts of names for their bubbies.
Kits, kittens, cubs, pups, lambs, foals, kids, piglets… etc, etc.
Consider it a blessing.
A blessing, a blessing from the Lord!
And there was much rejoicing.
Boost and infinity still work, but not for long
Edit: Mixed up sync and infinity lol
No they don't? They haven't worked since july 1st.
Reddit didn't keep their deadline for the API implementation. I've still got Boost installed and it's still working, nsfw posts however went away yesterday. You can still get nsfw if you use revanced apparently but I'm just checking reddit now out of curiosity.
Sync hasn't worked since 30th June.
I'm still using the patched version at least until they kill it.
I can still see NSFW on boost WDYM?
Perhaps it's not completely implemented everywhere. You can go to r/BoostforReddit if you want to read more about it. Idk and honestly idc either, the whole thing is kind of a shitshow. When Boost stops working without patching I'm out of the reddit ecosystem for good.
your right Infinity also still works, but I like it here.
Boost never stopped working. Sync did, but you can get past it with revanced at least until they break it.
I had trouble with sync so I uninstalled and came to lemmy
It still possibly work if you use your own api client id (less than 100 calls/min should be free irrc) but it needs patch from revanced.
If you look in their respective sub reddits, you'll see reports that they do still work for some.
Relay too
RIF also still works if you're not logged in
Probably for the best.
I may use Reddit through the browser on occasion while googling (but without logging in). My Reddit activity has dropped 99%. The 1% is lurking the World News thread to follow Ukraine war updates while logged out.
Exactly what I’m doing. That and the UkraineConflict subreddit. Have to use old subdomain to get in without logging in. I won’t comment anymore.
Did you think they cared about accessibility?
they'll call you a POS for not being part of the pc master race
Nah, more like they call you a POS for not buying into the latest and greatest corporate need to sell you the newest hardware at top dollar - I think the last time I saw a tablet for sale it was about $1100 or something stupid like that.
Where are you shopping? Samsung has several great tablets available in a wide range of prices. The S series has the S6 lite, a great tablet with stylus, for $350. There are cheaper tablets without the stylus for cheaper.
Cheap tablets and phones legitimately suck. At this point $350-400 is the new $250.
That being said, I live in Australia - $1100 was just my estimated conversion - I think the full price of it was A$1300. It was at a JB Hi-Fi that I saw, I think the cheapest one I saw was A$600.
pc master race is hilarious, informative, and outright unhinged.
Even the PCMR community understands there are times a computer is overkill. You gonna lug your desktop around in your pocket for daily communication? Set up your laptop on a TV tray in from of your recliner? No, there are literal devices meant for both those situations.
You dodged a bullet homie.
No xprivacy or adblockers allowed you filthy hacker now go watch 2 hours of ads on YouTube to support people with billions of times more money than you.
I'm gonna miss Joey, spent a lot of time scrolling. I'm still using it for now until the API changes kick in, then I'm probably gone from Reddit for good after I sort through the saved content that I actually care about.
Reddit app is the only app on my phone that doesn't like Samsung's multitasking and the good lock taskbar for the folds. It crashes the entire systemui sometimes if I try to open it from the task bar, and it breaks multitasking until a reboot sometimes if I try to set it next to another app that's open. Even if it "works" and I resize it it picks some arbitrary post I commented on some earlier time the app was open to fling itself back to maing me lose whatever I was doing before.
LMFAO that's special
On a more serious note, your tablet might just be too old. Reddit's official app requires Android 8.0+, while Joey only requires on Android 5.0. So that might be the reason why.
How is it infuriating? We came to lemmy and kbin to get away from Reddit ?
Kiwi + Ublock + RES + old.reddit.com
On a tablet?
Yes, exactly.
firefox can use some extensions on mobile. Worth a try?
It gets slightly annoying when you want to use a non-recommended extension (like RES). You either need to swap to Nightly or something like Fennec (on F-Droid). Then you must curate your own collection of extensions on addons.mozilla.org and finally set your browser to pull from that collection.
more like c/mildlyReliefed
What's your device?
Looks like an old samsung tablet running Android 5 or 6
good reason to ween yourself off reddit and help build up lemmy by doing what you were going to do
holy fuck, Android 8? My Android phone is only just compatible (8.0)
You're probably better off.
I'm on LineageOS sans gapps, so not even Google Play available. If it's not open source, it's not there.
Is Joey still there?
Still works!
You're not missing out on anything...
Maybe you can use an earlier version?
This is like 15 steps beyond shooting yourself in the foot.
I’ll bet Reddit would allow a 3rd party client that supported ONLY old phones / OSes that they themselves have decided to drop.
I'll bet they wouldn't.
I would bet against that, not enough userbase to be worth them even concidering the exception.
They wouldn’t do it to retain the small audience. They would do it so they could safely deprecate even more old devices. It makes life easier on the app engineers when they can focus on fewer devices and OSes. Less testing. You can use more modern libraries without a bunch of “if” forks. Sometimes the oldest 2% of your users can represent 15% of your effort. But 2% of users is a lot to drop.
That’s where the 3rd party app would come in. It would quiet complaints and allow content contributors to be retained, without any maintenance. Basically it would de-risk some moves like only supporting phones from the last 4 years, and nothing older.
What's your device?
Well, the official Lemmy App also requires Android 8+. Again, no support for my not so old phone...
Is there an official app for Lemmy? Jerboa is popular, but I don't think it's official. Connect for Lemmy supports Android 4.4+.
I was speaking about Jerboa.
Don't think that's official. It was just one of the only ones about when people started migrating.
Yes, but Lemmy block unofficial apps that may support your phone.
did you look if there is lineageOS or another custom ROM, who is based on a newer android?
Not so old? Android 8 was released 5 years ago
Might be old in modern times, but I dont want to have to buy a new phone every 5 years. Especially if it is still working very well...
Also OP made the point that the official Reddit App requires Android 8+, so it's the same thing
Android 8 came out 6 years ago. And if your device is locked to Android 8 that means it probably shipped with 6 or 7 which means it's a 7 or 8 year old phone at this point. I have trouble believing a 6-8 year old android phone is still working very well.
You are right, it is from 2017. Beside not being able to use Android 8+ I have no issues with it
Not to rag on you, but do consider security risks associated with using an unsupported OS. Take care.
Honestly Reddit doesn't infuriate me anymore. I haven't been on reddit for 2 weeks now and I no longer feel the urge to check that site. I expect I'll still end up there occasionally when I search for stuff, but gone are the days when I spend an hour or two every night on reddit.
Why would I go on bad lemmy?
That’s actually been my experience as well lol.
I did actually deliberately jump on reddit on desktop recently, just to check on a few things and see how the protests were going.
There wasn’t really anything informative on the front page that hadn’t already been posted here. The quality of posts actually seemed worse overall
The quality of the posts being worse makes sense, I'm guessing some of the Reddit power users moved here and they were generating the majority of quality OC on Reddit.
I also feel like it's become more right wing. Or at least now that some people have left, the balance has shifted further to the right. I went on yesterday, and r/WhitePeopleTwitter, a fairly left wing sub, is now having a lot of Republicans. Really killed my desire to go back. It was something I know a lot of people predicted would happen, but still sad in a way to see.
Edit: Also the fact that the main niche subs I went to are dead. They used to be pretty active, but since they reopened, a lot of users were not happy. So now it's a post every few days. I think one of the subs just got completely deleted. Sadly they're not as active here.
I opened Reddit, saw no bean posts so I immediately closed it.
Same for me. When RIF stopped working I went into Lemmy and haven't went on Reddit since. The FOMO I thought I'd get isn't there because I'm active and welcome here. I have people to connect with, and that's what I really only wanted out of a social site like this.
There's still quite a few subreddits I miss. Plus the larger community. Some communities are here, but they're dead with no users, and I don't really have what to contribute.
I wanted to try listing all of them, but I realized there's like 40 of them.
Mostly, I miss r/batteries, r/ElectroBOOM, r/linuxmint, r/ManjaroLinux, r/LinuxMasterrace, r/SpaceXMasterrace, r/pcmasterrace, r/computers, r/laptops, r/amateursatellites, r/whatisthisthing and r/RTLSDR which also had cool people like developer of noaa-apt and Ryzerth, the developer of SDR++, plus many more.
Edit: Oh, how could I forget dereksgc, another cool guy who puts out lots of useful info.
Things will slowly grow if we all stick with Lemmy though. It's really just a matter of time until it reaches a critical mass.
Yes that's the only thing I would miss from Reddit. The wealth of knowledge that lives on their servers and the community until they more over here
It’ll come with time.
Personally I have no idea why there's too little activity of Linux users moving over to Lemmy.
Edit: I take it back, a simple search for "Linux" using wefwef and sorting by Top shows !linuxmemes@lemmy.world with a very active userbase.
I still get a little heartbroken seeing the Apollo icon on my dock. 😭
I couldn’t bring myself to uninstall it completely so I just removed it from my Home Screen, it can live out its retirement in the app library
The only sub I go to now is my local city's subreddit for a good stream of local news and happenings. That hasn't migrated to Lemmy yet and I don't want to moderate it so I'm not making it here lol
Can we please stop with all the posts about reddit? Jesus christ you guys it's a website, not your crazy ex. Lemmy is never going to surpass reddit in popularity when the only thing on the frontpage besides beans is "reddit this, reddit that".
You sound mildly infuriated.
He should make a post about it!
This too shall pass. Also. Welcome to the internet!
Have a look around.
Anything that brain of yours can think of can be found.
And if it can't, and you've reached the edge where there is nothing further, you write a Tutorial.
we’ve got mountains of content
Some better, some worse
If none of it's of interest to you, you'd be the first
Weeelcome, to the internet!
come and take a seat.
Would you like to see the news or any famous women's feet?
Honestly, I'm really trying to like Lemmy. I feel like none of the good communities came over here, just the one's you mindlessly scroll through. I just looked for a fitness community yesterday and the one i found had like 5 posts. There is basically no communities for any of my hobbies. It seems like most people stayed on Reddit, except for the techy people. It's a shame because I really want to support the idea of federation and I do like the website.
Be the change you want to see. There are probably other people looking for those coversations, but see low engagement and move on. The more you post the more attractive it makes the community for other people.
I have also found that even if there are fewer comments, other people tend to respond and have more discussions.
I do have alot of hope that well see the community continue to grow & hopefully more activity as people search out reddit alternatives.
it's only been like a week, people will come
If you build it they will come.
I heard that same advice about The Bunny Bar down the street, and you know what? They were right!
It's been three since the exodus became measurable. And it is markedly better.
I initially had the same lament, but since we're early adopters of this tech, it really is on us to build the communities here. If you want to discuss something, just post a thread. Even if no one replies right away, as people start coming they will start engaging with posts that are already there.
That's a fair point, I noticed if I open baconreader, I can still see my subscribed sub list. I need to learn how to make subs on here, and as you suggest, either find them, or get off my ass and make them myself.
On a nice side note, being an early adopter, I was able to get my username back without some damned number stapled on the end.
The endless scrolling communities are the easiest to move. They're low hanging fruit. One of the other replies to you here nailed it... without a massive community of millions, the future of Lemmy rests on the more modestly sized community here willing to actually come out of their lurk and not just respond to posts, but to start posts on their own and actually drive the content.
I feel the same way about music production-related communities here. I just don't have much to ask and I suck pretty badly at it so I don't feel like I'm good enough to drive content/discussions lol
Probably not what you mean, but if you wanna start doing anything, I've got a com specifically for sheet music and tabs, and God Almighty does it blow. It could use a fresh insight.
I'm one of the unwashed, ignorant music production hobbyists who can't play a lick of anything on an actual instrument, and certainly can't read sheet music (I figured out tablature a long time ago when I was trying to teach myself guitar and have forgotten since). I can noodle around on a 25-key MIDI keyboard well enough - like I have a good handle on the patterns for different keys and scales on the keyboard, but I can't actually play. I'd take you up on the invite, otherwise.
Check out some of the yellow mandolin tabs. The way I've been doing it is a matching game and MSpaint.
Which fitness subreddits need growth? I have arrived.
The only real community I saw that migrated was r/piracy. Otherwise, I've experienced basically the same thing you have.
Even from 3 weeks ago, this place has grown hand over fist. Just give it a few more weeks and it'll be pretty much new Reddit.
It's less than a week after the largest website in the world shit the bed. It's still topical.
sad bean noises
Yeah it seems most of the posts on the front page are about Reddit or about how proud people are of using Lemmy etc I just want to see some actual content :(
It’s classic tribal or “sports team” mentality. Ex-redditors want to see reddit fail just as much as Lemmy succeed.
It's not a sports team mentality. The CEO pretty much disparaged a lot of users who were actively engaging in profit-making ventures for Reddit. Moderators, being unpaid spam filters, were lauded as entitled brats (landed genetry). He also explicitly got mad that people were using "his" content, content that Reddit never made yet is happily wants to profit off of. He did all of this while basically calling third-party app developers leeches despite them making apps with features Reddit's native app lacks.
People want to see Reddit fail because Reddit pissed off the people that generated their value. People want to see Lemmy succeed because it is federated and cannot be abused like a central platform.
I’m only explaining the behavior. There’s very good reason for it, and I very much also want to see both Lemmy succeed and Reddit fail.
I do imagine those type of people exist too, but probably not that much on Lemmy. Think of the 4chan type that love their "tribe" stirring up drama in other "tribes". Lots of that still on Reddit too, and hopefully it stays over there.
Not gonna lie, I'd absolutely love to watch reddit implode while eating some popcorn.
It's an online community that people have been using for decades. The fact that many of us can't use it anymore is a real issue, even if it isn't relevant to you (believe it or not).
I can for sure see both sides of this one. I had ditched all other social media years ago, and baconreader was my one guilty pleasure.
If I had my phone in my hand, I was catching up with other old skaters like myself, reading about the latest trends in tech, or browsing the daily news.
The tag line of "Front page of the internet" was quite literally true for me. That was the portal through which I found content.
In the weeks leading up to the June 30th, I felt a strong sadness, what was I going to do with my screen time? I had created a very custom space using baconreader that neither the reddit app, or to be fair, Lemmy, could provide.
While I am really enjoying learning about Lemmy, and I feel the quality of the post and comments here are far better, it's going to take time to find and/or develop those niche communities again.
I do however agree, and the ex analogy is spot on, that the last thing I want is for this community to just be a bitch fest about what once was.
Give people a bit of time to vent, it hasn't even been a week since a decades long experience came crashing to a halt through no fault of ours.
It certainly is crazy, and some people spent more time there than with the grilfriend they never had, so...
Ouch
But, if my ex isn't crazy, then I must've been the crazy one... and that just couldn't be possible, right?
Fucking same. If folk don’t miss it please stop telling every cunt how much you don’t miss it.
Tbh you all need to get used to it for a while, every day new people join and they wanna talk about their migration, it's what's going on for them right now, you had your moment let them have theirs
Redditors still talk about the great digg migration that happened over a decade ago.
It'll get less important and prevalent but for the time being let people enjoy their new toy.
Digg was rarely brought up on Reddit until valid comparisons were able to be drawn between platforms. The elevated Reddit talk on this site will naturally subside in due time.
Agreed. I saw your post and reddit.
This is why I eventually left Mastodon after a month of use. People are not moving on 😬
It's a huge !lemmymoment@lemmy.world to karma farm about the downfall of reddit
Well, karma for all, then.
Can we all just leave the Reddit chatter to the Reddit or Redditmigration communities at this point please? If not yet, then maybe soon? This ex-partner behavior is just going to turn off new people from joining in the long run.
Yes! It seems that half the community posts on here are just Reddit-bashing and that isn't going to drive engagement at all.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100904001007/http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/d7i0o/ok_enough_is_enough_keep_the_digg_news_in_rdigg_i/
What is that app possibly made of that it cant run on literally anything? It's just an app for text and images. I dont get it, is it optimized like an actual potato?
Back when it was still in beta, it went through a period where it drained my battery from 100% to dead in under 30 minutes.
Just by being installed, not even actually using it.
Facebook still does this to me. I log in via Web app now.
Could be a library or feature that the devs didn't consider worth maintaining on older devices.
For context, the OP appears to be using Android 5 or 5.1, released in 2014/2015 respectively and is used on 1.1-1.3% devices worldwide.
What a stupid anti-human shit, I hate it. All my devices from 10 years ago are still perfectly fine and operational, and I can't use them because of some people's laziness. They are used on 1% devices not because they are necessarily bad or broken but because it's impossible to use them now for arbitrary reasons.
This really has nothing to do with being lazy, a lot of modern software just straight up isn't supported anymore on such old systems. Making it compatible and testing it on those old platforms makes no business sense at all. Far too expensive with little to no benefit overall.
If anyone is to blame here it's the phone manufacturers that don't provide updates to those devices.
Exactly. Rag on Reddit all you want, but a company maintaining compatibility with an almost 10 year old OS version is a bit much.
Windows 8.1 Release: October 17, 2013 Windows 8 EoL: January 10, 2023
Exactly, they EOL it after 10 years. And that's MICROSOFT. Reddit is smaller by many orders of magnitude.
If anything, backward compatibility is Google's fault.
Bingo. For a lot of devices, especially anything made after 2015-ish, there's no real reason why mid to high-end devices couldn't be running the most recent OS version outside of "it's a lot of work to certify updates for so many devices". Thankfully Android has a custom ROM scene which keeps devices going for a few years longer.
I've never seen such an aggressive take on maintaining backwards compatibility haha
Well, true. But it is more reasonable to hate the manufacturer who refused to update, not the app devs who would have to do more work for small gain. Or unofficially update your own device, if possible.
I'm not hating on the developers, I'm hating on the whole situation
Mobile devices have become like 20x more powerful in the last 10 years lol. Found my Dad's old Galaxy S3 while cleaning the house, and it was still in working condition. Just soo freaking slow cause all the websites and were made for better hardware.
Yeah, except for the fact that modern Samsung s20 is not really that much more powerful than your s3. Sure it has more RAM, significantly more, but the processor is barely twice as good.
10 years old device has plenty power to run whatever website can offer, apart from maybe some battery degradation. Hell, I have 20 years old laptop that can do that. The reason it doesn't is not technical, it's almost exclusively economical, by which I mean "lazy cheap bastards don't give a flying fuck about the mountains of e-waste we produce"
This is just an ignorant take on things. The S20 has like 4x the core count, and each one of those is at least 2x as energy efficient, and 4x more powerful.
No way the S20 is only slightly more powerful than an S3. If you're not using any CPU intensive apps, such as games, then yeah, you aren't going to see a massive difference. My S7 still runs well enough for browsing, music, and videos, but my S10 will run circles around it if I actually leverage its capabilities.
One of the reasons is security, older Android APIs let your apps do whatever they want. You probably could try to find an apk that would work on older devices, but google has minimal API requirements that involve permissions and data access, and if your app doesn't support them it wont be allowed on the Play Store. So even if devs supported other devices, you wouldn't find the app on the store.
Probably the same team that used to make the Snapchat Android app back in the day
What makes it even more ridiculous is that it was originally a perfectly functional 3rd party app that they bought out. AlienBlue worked on ipads. A decade ago.
I mean, look at the facebook app. They had to do "optimizations", because they ran into limits of Android's Dalvik a few years back.
More than a few years back - they've long since replaced dalvik with ART.
Or i confused dalvik with art. Don't know anymore. Facebook app got leaner?
No, it's just been about 10 years since they had that issue. Facebook mitigated it by splitting its services into multiple apps.
Huh, time flies.
Tell me about it. Dalvik was replaced by the ART in Android 4.4 Kitkat IIRC, which is what my Nexus 7 shipped with back in 2013. Feels like 3 years ago rather than 10.
You're not missing much
What is this redit you are talking about? I don't know what that is.
Well now how are you going to see all those ads?
They detected that you must be too poor to be worth supporting. It's simple economics. They needed to be able to balance out the incredible infrastructure costs you were bound to incur.
Great news.
I only ever used Reddit in Firefox on desktop anyway - but now I use it a whole lot less (maybe just one reply per day trolling people with interesting posts they'd be better posting here).
Lemmy is a shit-show... but it's OUR shit-show and we'll adjust, and clever people will develop.
Right on man. My last comment on R3dd!t told people the amount of time they spent figuring out how to still use 3rd party apps, they can direct that effort into learning how to participate in the Fediverse. Got a hundred-ish downvotes so that means a hundred people now know Lemmy exists.
you mean poop-show
MY shit-show ya commie bastard. NEXT.
The app is named joey but the icon is of a koala??? 🤔
Although commonly known as a baby kangaroo, a joey is basically a baby marsupial. So that can include koala, opossum, wombat, etc.
TIL
And baby Monotremes (Echidna, Platypus) are called Puggles.
And then there's eutherians (placental mammals)
Which have all sorts of names for their bubbies. Kits, kittens, cubs, pups, lambs, foals, kids, piglets… etc, etc.
Consider it a blessing.
A blessing, a blessing from the Lord!
And there was much rejoicing.
Boost and infinity still work, but not for long
Edit: Mixed up sync and infinity lol
No they don't? They haven't worked since july 1st.
Reddit didn't keep their deadline for the API implementation. I've still got Boost installed and it's still working, nsfw posts however went away yesterday. You can still get nsfw if you use revanced apparently but I'm just checking reddit now out of curiosity.
Sync hasn't worked since 30th June.
I'm still using the patched version at least until they kill it.
I can still see NSFW on boost WDYM?
Perhaps it's not completely implemented everywhere. You can go to r/BoostforReddit if you want to read more about it. Idk and honestly idc either, the whole thing is kind of a shitshow. When Boost stops working without patching I'm out of the reddit ecosystem for good.
your right Infinity also still works, but I like it here.
Boost never stopped working. Sync did, but you can get past it with revanced at least until they break it.
I had trouble with sync so I uninstalled and came to lemmy
It still possibly work if you use your own api client id (less than 100 calls/min should be free irrc) but it needs patch from revanced.
If you look in their respective sub reddits, you'll see reports that they do still work for some.
Relay too
RIF also still works if you're not logged in
Probably for the best.
I may use Reddit through the browser on occasion while googling (but without logging in). My Reddit activity has dropped 99%. The 1% is lurking the World News thread to follow Ukraine war updates while logged out.
Exactly what I’m doing. That and the UkraineConflict subreddit. Have to use old subdomain to get in without logging in. I won’t comment anymore.
Did you think they cared about accessibility?
they'll call you a POS for not being part of the pc master race
Nah, more like they call you a POS for not buying into the latest and greatest corporate need to sell you the newest hardware at top dollar - I think the last time I saw a tablet for sale it was about $1100 or something stupid like that.
Where are you shopping? Samsung has several great tablets available in a wide range of prices. The S series has the S6 lite, a great tablet with stylus, for $350. There are cheaper tablets without the stylus for cheaper.
Cheap tablets and phones legitimately suck. At this point $350-400 is the new $250.
That being said, I live in Australia - $1100 was just my estimated conversion - I think the full price of it was A$1300. It was at a JB Hi-Fi that I saw, I think the cheapest one I saw was A$600.
pc master race is hilarious, informative, and outright unhinged.
Even the PCMR community understands there are times a computer is overkill. You gonna lug your desktop around in your pocket for daily communication? Set up your laptop on a TV tray in from of your recliner? No, there are literal devices meant for both those situations.
You dodged a bullet homie.
No xprivacy or adblockers allowed you filthy hacker now go watch 2 hours of ads on YouTube to support people with billions of times more money than you.
I'm gonna miss Joey, spent a lot of time scrolling. I'm still using it for now until the API changes kick in, then I'm probably gone from Reddit for good after I sort through the saved content that I actually care about.
Reddit app is the only app on my phone that doesn't like Samsung's multitasking and the good lock taskbar for the folds. It crashes the entire systemui sometimes if I try to open it from the task bar, and it breaks multitasking until a reboot sometimes if I try to set it next to another app that's open. Even if it "works" and I resize it it picks some arbitrary post I commented on some earlier time the app was open to fling itself back to maing me lose whatever I was doing before.
LMFAO that's special
On a more serious note, your tablet might just be too old. Reddit's official app requires Android 8.0+, while Joey only requires on Android 5.0. So that might be the reason why.
How is it infuriating? We came to lemmy and kbin to get away from Reddit ?
Kiwi + Ublock + RES + old.reddit.com
On a tablet?
Yes, exactly.
firefox can use some extensions on mobile. Worth a try?
It gets slightly annoying when you want to use a non-recommended extension (like RES). You either need to swap to Nightly or something like Fennec (on F-Droid). Then you must curate your own collection of extensions on addons.mozilla.org and finally set your browser to pull from that collection.
more like c/mildlyReliefed
What's your device?
Looks like an old samsung tablet running Android 5 or 6
good reason to ween yourself off reddit and help build up lemmy by doing what you were going to do
holy fuck, Android 8? My Android phone is only just compatible (8.0)
You're probably better off.
I'm on LineageOS sans gapps, so not even Google Play available. If it's not open source, it's not there.
Is Joey still there?
Still works!
You're not missing out on anything...
Maybe you can use an earlier version?
This is like 15 steps beyond shooting yourself in the foot.
I’ll bet Reddit would allow a 3rd party client that supported ONLY old phones / OSes that they themselves have decided to drop.
I'll bet they wouldn't.
I would bet against that, not enough userbase to be worth them even concidering the exception.
They wouldn’t do it to retain the small audience. They would do it so they could safely deprecate even more old devices. It makes life easier on the app engineers when they can focus on fewer devices and OSes. Less testing. You can use more modern libraries without a bunch of “if” forks. Sometimes the oldest 2% of your users can represent 15% of your effort. But 2% of users is a lot to drop.
That’s where the 3rd party app would come in. It would quiet complaints and allow content contributors to be retained, without any maintenance. Basically it would de-risk some moves like only supporting phones from the last 4 years, and nothing older.
What's your device?
Well, the official Lemmy App also requires Android 8+. Again, no support for my not so old phone...
Is there an official app for Lemmy? Jerboa is popular, but I don't think it's official. Connect for Lemmy supports Android 4.4+.
I was speaking about Jerboa.
Don't think that's official. It was just one of the only ones about when people started migrating.
Yes, but Lemmy block unofficial apps that may support your phone.
did you look if there is lineageOS or another custom ROM, who is based on a newer android?
Not so old? Android 8 was released 5 years ago
Might be old in modern times, but I dont want to have to buy a new phone every 5 years. Especially if it is still working very well...
Also OP made the point that the official Reddit App requires Android 8+, so it's the same thing
Android 8 came out 6 years ago. And if your device is locked to Android 8 that means it probably shipped with 6 or 7 which means it's a 7 or 8 year old phone at this point. I have trouble believing a 6-8 year old android phone is still working very well.
You are right, it is from 2017. Beside not being able to use Android 8+ I have no issues with it
Not to rag on you, but do consider security risks associated with using an unsupported OS. Take care.