The way my daughter's middle school health class classifies drugs is insane.
Marijuana is its own special category, but club drugs (which for some reason include date rape drugs), inhalants and steroids are all in a "miscellaneous" category together?
Also, note all the ridiculous drug propaganda lies.
The people who blabber incessantly about weed being a gateway drug are the exact REASON that I agree with them, but we VERY much disagree on the specifics.
Think of it this way:
Every adult in your life has told you that weed is JUST AS BAD as heroin and cocain and meth. You hear it repeated ad nauseum, ESPECIALLY if you were in DARE.
Now one day someone you have known for a long time offers you some because "it's not that bad, trust me you'll be fine" and they go ahead and take a puff or twelve. Turns out it's not that bad. They were fine after some initial uncoordinated attempts at doing something.
So if weed is this interesting, maybe heroin isn't that bad either?
Yeah turns out heroin IS that bad, and lumping it in with weed is like tossing the kindergarten bully into a maxsec prison.
So yeah, it's only a "gAtEwAy dRuG" because you fucks lied for decades and made false equivalence of things and taught kids they can't trust you.
Turned out, the gateway drug was tobacco...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6754186/
While drunk, I got insane cravings for cocaine and nicotine
While high, I get insane cravings for pizza and Tame Impala
Weed is a gateway drug to the fridge.
lmao
What specifically stands out to you as a ridiculous bit of probaganda?
It's certainly not the most accurate or clinical, and some of the categories are a bit "eh", but nothing popped out to me that I would describe so strongly.
If nothing else, it's a lot more objective and grounded in reality than what they gave me in that dumb dare program. Might be why my reaction is just "close enough".
Marijuana being a gateway drug.
Also being the most abused drug. I'd say that would be caffeine. There are more people who take caffeine daily than cannabis. But this seems to be about "bad" drugs, not "good" drugs.
I'd give it to alcohol, not caffeine personally. I wouldn't say most people "abuse" caffeine, they just drink it.
Abuse to me implies having a negative impact, and I can think of more people who have been negatively impacted by weed than by caffeine, but way more from alcohol than either, and with a significantly more negative impact.
I know people who smoke too much and it's definitely made them stagnate in life and gain a lot of weight.
I know people who drink way too much caffeine and get insomnia, leading to a cycle of discomfort and heartburn from all the coffee.
I know people who drank too much alcohol and died, or developed terrible health complications.
Most people are totally fine with all of them, but alcohol is easily the worst and most common.
It doesn't say that I'm the text. It literally says that it is CALLED a gateway drug because of what SOME people do.
Yup, that's a good one. Gateway drug notion is generally iffy at the absolute most generous.
This one wasn't as "smoking the weed will make you do heroin and die" as others, just "some people do other things after doing this one", but it's still not super worth mentioning.
What are you supposed to do? Start with meth?
Yeah, that's the thought. That or ecstacy or something.
In reality, it's mostly that it's so common that everyone who might do "hard drugs" would have been exposed to pot as just background noise, like alcohol or chocolate ice cream.
It only gets a shade of credence because there have been studies indicating that some people start with pill based drugs and then just leave it at that with a "hard drug" incidence rate lower than someone who smoked pot.
The sample sizes are so small that the only real conclusion someone can draw is that it's not definitely false and it needs more study. But it's not that important, so funding is slow and unlikely.
Yeah my bullshit detector is going off for the pills thing as well. The fact that they're pills (small, compact, no smoking/smell) would skew it heavily.
It is funny to picture the hypothetical person they need to find to interview for the data though.
This is Larry.
Larry once took a Valium he wasn't prescribed at a friend's house, but Larry respects his body too much to smoke weed.
Larry is addicted to intravenous heroin.
Larry takes the L
That was the only thing that popped out to me.
I mean that's been a "thing" since at least the late 80s. Not that i think its accurate but its all too common an opinion you will find that isnt completely batshit crazy.
DARE came to my HS in the mid-late 80s. A cop was standing at a table with various things on it. One of which was a big bag of weed. I said,"Damn! That's a big bag of weed!" The cop replied, totally seriously,"THAT'S ENOUGH WEED TO KILL YOU!!!" My friends and I just laughed and walked away.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. It's close enough for the target audience. Doesn't go the any extreme.
The information in the hallucinogenic section about acid flashbacks is incorrect. This was a false rumour spread in the 70s to demonize the political opponents of Nixon.
Hrm, I always thought it was just a mis-name for PTSD after an excessive dose.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder
It looks like there's at least a degree of clinical validation to it being a combo of PTSD and "sometimes colors stay funny for a while".
Are you sure you're not thinking of "the entire war on drugs, but particularly pot and heroin"?
That's what I thought was an invention by the Nixon administration.
Oh, HPPD is definitely a thing, but extraordinarily rare.
I may have misspoke about the brown acid - this was a legit warning resulting from "home-brew chemists" attempting to make their own LSD and failing to create it properly. Most of the supplies back then were direct from Sandoz (Novartis) and basically were being given away to the scientific community for novel testing. Fun stuff.
I'm talking about the hyperbole of "acid flashbacks" which was a narrative introduced to discourage and demonize LSD usage by the political and intellectual opponents of the Nixon administration. "Rots your brain permanently" and all that other garbage.
Turns out regular LSD usage by the "hippie" community and by many people involved in high-level education (particularly college and university professors) was making people feel more connected and empathetic towards one another, and that just didn't do for the Republicans who needed everyone to fear "the other".
What they also did with marijuana and heroin, and subsequently with crack cocaine, was truly abhorrent.
I agree too. Just the classifications alone seem close enough, and GHB is absolutely a 'club' drug that also happens to be a date rape drug. Back in my heyday, I knew several people that would use it recreationally when we'd go out to an EDM show (or in the hours after we got back to the crash pad to keep the party going).
I didn't read the whole thing, so I can comment on specific content like 'weed being a gateway' drug, but that's been disproven time and time again and this type of propaganda is common from schools and the government as they're bound by archaic laws to portray drugs in such a way.
GHB is so fun.
I honestly never tried it simply because the connotations with it being the "date rape" drug (and also because I was already enjoying myself with other stuff).
Fair! It’s kinda like being a little drunk, but also REALLY horny for food (it makes food better than even weed does), and also reeeeally enhances sexual stuff. My partner and I would take it and get weeeeird.
If you're active, you can stay active forever. GHBike Rides are fantastic.
If you’re laying around, you WILL fall asleep. Your brain will crave sleep more than a junkie craves heroin (fent now, I guess.)
Marijuana is not a gateway drug.
Having to deal with a drug dealer that wants to also sell you actually addictive drugs is the gateway.
Legalize pot, sell it at the grocery store, and you will watch the number of addicts in general fall precipitously. I guarantee it.
Weird how cigarettes and alcohol are not 'gateway drugs.'
That's because from a health perspective, alcohol in particular is an "end state drug". It's what you die with. It ruins you. Not as fast as heroine, but just as thoroughly.
So if I just occasionally have a beer with dinner does that mean I could also enjoy a bit of light recreational heroine for dessert?
The best dessert.
Don't forget shampoo!
My D.A.R.E. officer made sure we all knew that shampoo is a drug because it's a chemical compound that physically affects our bodies. I definitely had fewer issues with drugs after learning that I was already a 'drug user'.
I had fewer issues with drugs after doing drugs, having a great time, feeling better the next morning than if I'd had 4 pints of beer.
That's actually a pretty good way to think about it though. Drugs are just chemical compounds and different compounds have different effects on the body.
Are you sure that D.A.R.E officer was not secretly cool?
D.A.R.E. has been proven to increase drug use, so I don't think it was just him. The entire 'scare tactic' just doesn't work.
Yeah, I really wonder who writes these, and what their outlook on their job is. They have to know that the content has some pretty strong omissions or false inclusions there for political reasons.
The "gateway drug" thing was a lie in 1985 and its a lie now.
I buy THC drinks online from 3Chi. I haven't had an urge to try anything harder (in fact, I'm a bit scared of anything that might affect my heart (aside from booze becaus3 we all do at least one very stupid thing), and the only thing I do want to try but only with a good support group around is shrooms).
I wonder what the stats in Canada look like now.
Marijuana is addictive though. Maybe not as addictive as some other things, but pretending it's completely non addictive is disingenuous and misleading. It's more addictive than say LSD or psilocybin for example.
That isn't to say it should remain illegal though. Legalisation has positive benefits even for harder, more addictive substances than marijuana. See the history of alcohol prohibition for example, or the disaster that is the war on drugs.
Clearly marijuana has some serious kind of habituation, and it's equally clear that many people that use marijuana are problem users. Addictive? No, not by any strict definition of addiction, since you won't suffer serious adverse effects if you stop. OTOH, I've known at least as many problem marijuana users as problem drinkers
The question isn't whether Marijuana is habit forming. Obviously for some percentage it is. The question is whether Marijuana use in and of itself encourages or preface additional drug use. My position is that it does not and by legalizing Marijuana we would find that it is the interaction with black market drug dealers which correlates instead.
I would argue that in many ways it does. Marijuana is--or was--illegal. Alcohol is legal, but age restricted. If you are willing to use a substance that is (was) entirely illegal, you are more likely going to be willing to try other drugs that are legitimately addictive, because you've already crossed one of the major hurdles. If alcohol had been illegal for the same amount of time that marijuana had been, then I would agree that alcohol was likely a gateway drug as well.
I'm in favor of de-scheduling marijuana entirely. But I think that it's disingenuous for people to act as though there weren't serious problems with chronic and underage marijuana use.
You're saying that it has nothing to do with marijuana itself that make it a gateway drug, only that we've made it illegal.
That means anything we make illegal is a 'gateway X'.
After a quick search through us history, alcohol was banned around 1920 and lasted for about 13 years. The marijuana ban that we all know of happened, get this, in 1970, and states began pushing back only 3 years after. So, alcohol was banned far longer than marijuana. The d.a.r.e. campaigns and other propoganda coupled with the inability to do scientific studies on the drug created the mass panic. There were not serious problems, other than some politician needing a platform.
...What? The 1970s were 50 years ago. And marijuana was illegal long before it was classified as a schedule 1 drug under the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970.
You're going to have to provide some source for it being illegal. Arguably, it was contentious in the 30s, but the first official ruling was 1970.
It also seems like you don't understand that it being banned 50 years ago is not the same as it being banned for 50 years.
It was banned in 1970, but 3 years after, states pushed back.
Alcohol was banned in 1920, and 13 years later, it was unbanned.
You are coming across as very emotional about this, but you are showing how little you have researched. I don't have time to bring you up to speed if you are only going to keep your fingers in your ears while you shut your eyes and scream how right you are.
Have a good day.
Dude, it is literally illegal at the federal level at this very moment. If you use marijuana, and you buy a firearm, you are a felon. The ban may not be fully enforced in some states right now, but the feds can, at any moment, and on a whim, go into California and Colorado and arrest every single person working at a dispensary and charge them under federal drug trafficking laws, and send every single one of them to prison for life.
I would ask what you're on, but I'm pretty sure I can guess.
Ironic.
1951-56:
Stricter Sentencing Laws
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/etc/cron.html#:~:text=Enactment%20of%20federal%20laws%20(Boggs,fine%20of%20up%20to%20%2420%2C000.
The prohibition was protested long before it was finally repealed.
https://www.mcny.org/exhibition/protesting-prohibition
You do realize that your providing sources for someone else who didn't doesn't make them less emotional, nor my original post "ironic" for not knowing your sources.
I stand by my original post, which was a cursory google search of us history.
Thanks for providing sources.
However, my ultimate point that it was never a gateway drug and bans were consistently protested remains.
Is your point that I'm wrong for not knowing everything because I said "Here's what I found, stop being emotional and show me what you found."?
Good day.
It wasn't, or you're horrible at it.
"when was weed made illegal" produces
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_cannabis_in_the_United_States
This
Which opens with
Which indeed makes your attempt to mock someone for poor research / knowledge very ironic indeed
It's honestly rather ludicrous to still see 60's propaganda being parroted. You're on the internet, dude. There's no need for you to be that ignorant.
I bet it’s a useful plant and that’s why people use it daily.
Oh, guess what, it’s time to take my meds, I’ll be back after a few bong hits before I go back to work.
The fact that LSD and shrooms are in the same category as PCP.
I've always seen it classed as a more of a dissociative. If it were actually in the same class as shrooms and LSD then I'd have tried it by now.
I have never in my life heard anyone actually call weed "dope."
"Dope" is heroin, and its derivatives and relations.
I heard it called that back around 1985.
As in; when this was written...
I do all the time and my son makes fun of me for it. That's how we rolled in the late 70's/early 80's
Old crew checking in. I still call it dope, and get side eyed for it.
In pineapple express they call it "the dopest dope I ever smoked"... But I now realize that movie is almost 20 years old.
Yeah i only heard it called that ironically or as an in joke
Dope is 100% also used for weed. Maybe just less common for the younger gens.
Smokin' on the finest dope, ay-ay-ay-ah
I get the sense that the author hasn't tried many or any of these substances and is trotting out the standard line. I didn't see alcohol, cigarettes and Oxycontin mentioned.
If we're going to have an adult conversation about addictive substances we should first talk about sugar and junk food. We should also discuss the dangers of a sedentary lifestyle, lack of healthcare and community, ignorance of mental health, motor vehicles, pollution, the criminal justice system, Judeo-Christian culture and being a person of colour. Those will form the major risk factors for human health.
Absolutely not. Cigarettes are way way way more dangerous than sugar and junk-food
I mean yes but at least in the US the latter two are overwhelmingly more common.
Issue with the US is that HFCS is heavily subsidized, and thus added to everything.
False. Heart disease is the number one killer.
Yep that certainly is exactly the bullshit I was taught in the Midwest.
I wish schools were able to use the categories of “do your research” “probably a bad idea” and “definitely a bad idea”. There are drugs kids need to be warned about and by being honest about marijuana and lsd you build credibility when you tell them to never try opiates and that poppers may not ruin your life, but like there’s never a situation where they’re a good idea.
We also need to be honest about how we got into our opioid epidemic and how most heroin addicts got hooked after getting prescribed.
Kids are stupid but they aren’t stupid how us adults think they are. When we lie to them they remember to discount everything we say, even to not smoke cigarettes.
Well said. I made sure I told her all about the opioid epidemic and she already understands how shitty our healthcare system is.
Where is the alcohol section that causes probably the most deaths per year?
It was in a separate lesson, which was similarly filled with bullshit.
GHB and rufies are used recreationally, not just for date rape.
The purpose of drug education programs in schools is to scare kids, not to genuinely educate kids so they can make informed decisions in their own lives. They also can't cover everything because the education system is fucked and drugs would require a semester to teach to an appropriate degree and serve harm reduction. They also need to not tell kids enough because it could backfire and make drugs seem interesting to try. Try making DMT not sound awesome.
The whole topic of drugs could easily be covered in 30 minutes. The only thing people under 18 need to know is this:
There are a large variety of different recreational drugs, each of which make you feel a different way, and which come with their own set of different risks and benefits
At some point when you're older it may be reasonable for you to try some particular drugs, but there are some drugs which are never safe for anyone at any age
No drugs are safe for you to do yet. Your brain is still in a developing phase, and drugs that might be safe for you to do later will be very harmful to you at this age. Even though taking a drug might make you feel good in the very short term moment, it very likely could make your growing brain become depressed as soon as you come down from the drug, and this can become intense sadness that you feel for the rest of your life.
So for now just know that drugs is a complex topic that you can learn more about later when you're older, but for now the details don't matter because all drugs will be harmful to you right now while your brain is still growing
2.1 before you do try something, find out how to test for contaminants/counterfeits. You don't want to do battery acid
From what I hear the best way to make dmt sound not awesome is to describe the taste
Used corn oil, tortillas, and a hint of a taste like new car air conditioning smells with an aftertaste of a little bit of brake fluid. Yeah, I can kind of see how that would be off-putting but you won't mind it and you can just swallow it with a liter of black current juice and spend some quality time with machine elves instead of vaping it.
The taste aspect of DMT is like a partner who is 10/10 that will blow your mind in every way but who has farts that smell like a rotting dumpster of seafood and offal on fire outside of a wastewater treatment facility. You can't just write them off because of one manageable issue.
Your child is lucky to have you as a parent.
I'm glad I can be around to tell her what is and is not bullshit or propaganda. Even when it's about alcohol and cigarettes. They don't even discuss medication options for alcohol and nicotine addictions despite those being real options that work well for some people.
Did they even tell her about alcohol? I didn't see it in there at all
They did. It was a separate lesson. It was also full of nonsense.
The fact it still teaches the "gateway drug" shit tells me it's outdated as hell.
Hmm, I went looking around and it seems opinions are mixed?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gateway_drug_effect#History suggests one longitudinal study found a causal link, but another meta-study found a correlation without enough evidence to indicate a causal link?
I'd argue that if there is any gateway effect, it's solely related to the propaganda taught to the public that falls apart once you've actually tried some of them.
I don't think there's anything inherent about the drugs themselves that would drive you to try anything stronger. It's more that the misinformation makes people think "if they lied to me about this, what else were they lying about?" after trying something like weed and realizing it doesn't turn you into a psychopath or make you want to jump out of a window.
When you gotta hang out with people (who most likely do/sell other drugs), no risk that you're going to get an offer to try something else.
Not really true at all in Canada. Once again this is just the side effects of weed being illegal being mistaken for the fault of the substance when it's not.
Where did I say otherwise? If you're able to go to a normal licenced shop and buy it, of course the example I gave wouldn't happen.
And they're making a fucking mess of the pharmacological and social definitions of "drug". It's the propaganda version of that "ackshyually tomato is a fruit, not a vegetable" brain-rotting idiocy.
Depressant, stimulant, those refer to the pharmacological activity; it'll include even things not socially considered as drugs, such as caffeine (stimulant) and alcohol (depressant). In this sense marijuana is not its own class, it's THC is a depressant.
That "club drugs" category is a fucking mess in both definitions. Ketamine is an anaesthetic, thus likely a depressant; ecstasy is mostly a stimulant with weak hallucinogen properties, pharmacologically they're nothing alike. And socially they're closer to caffeine (as things that you ingest willingly) than to date rape drugs (things that people give you against your consent).
And even the division in social drugs depends on usage. Marijuana for example can be used for clinical or recreative reasons; abuse is of course bad, but frankly I wouldn't be surprised if most marijuana smokers had better lungs than I do (I don't smoke weed but I smoke tobacco - nicotine is a
depressantstimulant BTW). Same deal with the date rape drugs, alcohol could be used as one.Aaaaah, sorry for the rant. What I want to convey is that yeah, I get why this infuriates you. It infuriated me too.
I could have sworn nicotine was technically a stimulant because it has vasoconstrictive properties.
And I don't know anyone who has ever put off going to sleep in order to take more depressants.
Nicotine is absolutely classified as a stimulant.
This isn't the first time I've heard a user misclassify it—I imagine it has something to do with smoking or dipping mitigating withdrawal (thus relaxing) more than the drug's actual effects.
I fucked it up - thanks for pointing it out, fixed it. (I switched them because smoking a cig relaxes me quite a bit.)
Not only can alcohol be used as a date rape drug, it’s the most common one. It’s safer for the assailant to give you a stronger drink than you think you’re getting than to give you something like roofies. Additionally bartenders will gladly do it as it’s not uncommon for someone to want a double.
You sound really judgey about forget-me-nows
"I've made a huge mistake..."
The “gateway” drug thing was taught to me through DARE in the 90s. But has been confirmed propoganda for decades. Calling Cannabis (marijuana is not the proper name) a “gateway” drug is like saying water or air are “gateway” drugs. Sure, a crack head has probably smoked weed, but that isn’t what got them into crack.
I would guess that these materials are, either, very old or they categorize cannabis differently because it is so common. It doesn’t help that it is illegal in half the country and legal in the other half. So any state with cannabis not, at least, decriminalized will still have the talking points for the 1930s.
Thankfully, she knows from her father, who uses cannabis medicinally, that it is not a "gateway drug." Especially since the pain I am using it to treat now was one which a doctor originally tried and failed to treat by throwing multiple opioids at it and I'm not doing fentanyl today despite that. Two days of withdrawal was a bitch though.
I’m glad to hear you are off the opioid train. Have lost family members to it and my father is currently been on them for years. I tried to get him on the THC train, he even has a medical card, but he claims to not like the effects. I live in a recently legal state so I’m waiting until I can show him a store with a wide variety to try. I know there is some strain that will help with his pain and suffering without the effects he didn’t like.
I'm luckier than others in that I hate the effects of opioids, so unless it is actually doing some pain killing (fentanyl did wonders when I was in the ER with kidney stones), I just wouldn't want it in my system.
But I also know that there are plenty of people it does work for who use it because they are legitimately in pain and either were hooked on them by a doctor and can't get off or just can't afford an alternative other than to score something illegally to solve their pain issues due to our capitalist healthcare system.
I realize you have to simplify things for kids sometimes, but this is not the way to do it.
Are you sure you're taking enough?
Taking enough what, weed or opioids?
Yes
I'm begging everyone to watch the intro script of Reefer Madness, its honestly comedy gold how horribly its aged
Seriously. How undereducated is the general population to still be willfully ignorant that "marijuana" is literally BS Spanish "Mary Jane" and not what anyone prior to the utter failure that still is the "War on Drugs" has ever called any part of the plant? FFS. 🤷🏼♂️
brb, going to the club with my friends so we can do steroids, hopefully I can find some psychotic marijuanas too
They put pcp alongside shrooms and LSD. That's insane.
Should be with GHB and DXM. Dissociatives are fun.
Do they go on to mention any negative effects?
I love the idea that this isn't a smear campaign but a promotional one haha. You're right this article mostly reads "Apart from some shakes and wanting more later, these are all a great time" lmao.
I remember my old boss asking me what the effects of cannabis were. I was like "which cannabis? Indica, sativa, high CBD, high thc, etc" Cannabis is like wine, but different strains have different effects. There are stains that I use at night that leave me happy and couch bound, and there are strains I use on a weekend morning that make me clean my entire house
Being able to pick your strains sounds nice
At least it's broadly kind of informative in description of some of the categories before the 'continued' section. That may seem a low bar but I guess efforts to educate on this topic have set such a drastically low bar in decades past that it's encouraging to see it lifted slightly off the floor. The categorisation scheme takes a bit of a nosedive when they get to marijuana which for some reason has its own category, also for all the drugs and categories they describe they make the mistake of failing to describe the effects that make people want to use the drugs in the first place. I can see why they might be hesitant to do that, you don't want to actively encourage people to use the drugs, but I remember when getting similar lessons on the topic thinking that it was an obvious omission because it's hardly like people took the drugs, repeatedly, because of how much they enjoyed the "impairment" especially as I has my own first hand experience running directly counter to it. The failure to address the positive sensations taking such drugs produces that have caused people throughout all of human history to seek drugs out, damages the credibility of the information since it clearly sought to discourage at the cost of objectivity.
It's better than D.A.R.E. which is what a lot of us got.
I had D.A.R.E. and we also had "Officer Friendly" come to our elementary school and tell us all the ways drugs would kill us horrifically.
shnertin a faaat line in my D.A.R.E. shirt
I'd argue that it's not better if they don't get a sweet, ironic T-shirt to wear to the dispensary after the fact.
Impaired mobility on weed? Then why am I setting top rank scores in project muse while high as fuck?
Shit! I totally forgot that weed is a gateway drug.
Quick someone get me some black tar heroin!
Decades ago, my school's drug info was similar: every drug had a single entry ('euphoria') in the Pros column and a massive list (ending with death) for the Cons column.
YOU EVER SUCK DICK FOR WEED? BOO THIS MAN BOOOOOOO!!!
This reads like an ai response. The first part is reasonably accurate, much more then my own classes thats didnt differentiate at all.
The continued part is a gptchat tell I think someone continued with “write another section on weed and club drugs like x y”
Its another tell that this section 2 is alot more unhinged then the first.
It is biased , probably the prompted “for a school to discourage” but its far from the worst ive seen and heard
It's propaganda to support the war on us and the legal slavery of 1% of the whole population. It's not education
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No worries there.
Seems mostly correct to me. What’s the problem with it?
I think op doesn't like how they are grouped. Weed has an own group, which is kinda stupid. I would classify it as a depressant. Also that they classify stuff like ecstasy and Ketamin and GHP AS "Club Drugs". I mean yeah, they are quite common club drugs, but they are stimulants(or for Ketamine maybe a hypnotic).
Ketamine is a dissociative, like nitrous and PCP
GHB is a depressant.
Neither of them are stimulants or hypnotics.