Decentralised YouTube alternative Odysee no longer serving ads
Odysee, a decentralised YouTube alternative focused on free speech, is officially ending the serving of ads on the platform, starting today. The post:
"Dear friends of Odysee, Starting today, we're removing all ads. We don't need ads to make money as a platform and we are confident in the development of our own new monetisation programs that will help creators earn a living and at the same time keep Odysee alive. Ultimately, sacrificing the overall user experience to make a few bucks isn't worth it to us and nor is it even sustainable for a platform that wishes to make something truly open and creatively free.
As we take this decision, one thing is certain to us, media platforms (even ones that market themselves as 'free-speech') typically devolve into advertising companies and end up becoming beholden to their paymasters. It's been that way for centuries and is never going to change.
As we see YouTube become more aggressive with their ad deployment and 'Free Speech' platforms try to build their own ad businesses it's apparent to us that we're building a model for Odysee that will keep it sustainable not only financially, but in its ability to provide an incorruptible user experience.
Our approach may be considered niche or unconventional, that's fine by us. Odysee will be used by the world on terms that are agreeable to its users, and we know our users don't like ads.
Best, Founder & Creator, Chief Executive Officer. Julian Chandra"
Focused on “free speech”?
When I see that used multiple times by a platform operator it invariably means they’re right-wing wingnuts and/or the platform will devolve into right wing drivel while silencing dissent.
Yup. And on descriptive grounds, the whole thing falls into a false dichotomy: treating free speech as an all-or-nothing matter, instead treating freedom of speech as a scale. And that giving someone complete freedom of speech always means restricting the freedom of speech of someone else.
(I typically exemplify this through a guy with a megaphone in an offline plaza. Telling him to drop off the megaphone reduces his ability to reach willing listeners, thus his freedom of speech; but if you leave him alone nobody else can be heard, so their freedom of speech is lowered.)
Thank you, you put it better than I could. It’s not binary, it’s not all or nothing. You can have some freedom of speech and yet still not really have freedom of speech if you’re silenced by those who disagree.
Yes, your megaphone example is a special case of the paradox of tolerance. In this instance, tolerance of loud voices means quiet voices are drowned out.
It's related - Popper's paradox highlights that you can't compromise with some people, while my focus is that you need to impose some limits.
It's easy to tweak the example though, to be more like the paradox - if the megaphone guy is telling people to kick off the plaza some people, or saying stuff to make them leave.
Yes, or if multiple people get into a megaphone arms race and are all noise blasting each other so hard that no one can hear anything anymore.
The only way free speech can survive is with decentralized platforms like email and lemmy. Any time there is central control free speech isn't.
This isn’t even a true statement. Mods are human and can silence views they don’t like.
Go post some progressive and democratic views or criticize authoritarian support over on the grad.ml side. See how long it is before you’re shut down, blocked or even banned. There’s no free speech rule just because the platform is decentralized.
The only mitigating factors are that you can have a platform for opposing views, but even that isn't a guarantee here because the instance can be defederated and effectively silenced.
It's free speech in a federated environment because someone can't remove your voice.
It doesn't obligate anyone to listen to you. So federated instances having opinions about who they talk to doesn't contradict free speech.
People who want to talk about The Second Coming of the Space Pope are free to do so and don't require any third party to let them do so.
Couldn't that argument of different instances and their opinions be said about different centralised companies as well?
That’s what I said regarding starting your own instance to say what you want. I’m not sure why you felt the need to reiterate that.
And you also repeated what I said that nobody is obligated to listen to you - the instance can be defederated or admins can ban you.
So you essentially agree?
I disagree with you saying my statement isn't true.
Any system that is centralized, and requires a third party to "allow" speech will tend to not have free speech.
My argument is regarding the idea that the fediverse faces the same issues with control of who gets to see what you say because people are people and instances controlled by people that may not like what you say can ban you or defederate.
You want to narrow the argument to centralized control, but imo that isn’t relevant to the overall premise that people tend to equate “free speech” not just to saying what you want but also people’s ability to hear it, and the fact is that even on the fediverse people are still silenced whether or not you agree with what they’re saying.
The fediverse is a thousand little moderators on a thousand little hills, its distributed decision making.
Free speech is not having anyone stopping you from having your soap box, it has nothing to do with guaranteeing you a audience, as long as those who want to listen can get to your soap box then the speech is free.
You contradict yourself.
If you cannot get an audience then nobody can “get to your soap box”. That’s akin to sending yourself an email that nobody else will see, you’re shouting to the void. The entire point of free speech is the expectation to be heard, otherwise there’s no point.
Now we’re splitting hairs. Your premise is that being heard by anyone at all is free speech, but you disregard being silenced by those that don’t want to hear you.
My premise is that being silenced by anyone is not free speech regardless of the platform or workarounds. IOW there is no absolute freedom of speech even on a decentralized platform like the fediverse. I think that’s an objective truth.
From your definition if you speak and there exists one human who cannot hear you (asleep, in a different place, or deaf) then you have no free speech because you didn't have total distribution.
My definition is if a group of people want to talk about the space pope nobody can stop them from doing so amongst themselves.
I acknowledge we have different definitions, and i appreciate the discussion we have had, thank you for helping me see your viewpoint.
It’s not a binary choice, and that’s disingenuous to make it one.
Your second paragraph is not relevant because it excludes dissenting opinion that may not want to hear about the space pope. The anti-space pope league admin is not in the group of people you posit.
Thank you for the discussion.
E: ivxferre does a better job making the distinction than I do.
https://mander.xyz/comment/12562291
At the core of the human experience two people can talk about anything, all these machines and networks need to enable that same experience.
If three people get together and two want to talk about the space pope and one doesn't because they are part of the anti-space pope league, the third person can change the topic, argue with the other two, or leave the group.
If later 10 people come together in a group and half are pro-space pope and half are anti-space pope and they don't always have to talk about the space-pope. If people in the anti-space pope group decide to stop coming to the gathering because they don't want to talk space-pope anymore... this is normal behavior, and computers and networks should enable this behavior pattern.
As far as I can tell lemmy enabled all of this behavior patterns.
You think Lemmy has free speech? Some major mods here are quite liberal in controlling exactly what speech and ideas they allow their uses to be exposed to, and that is how it will always be by those desiring power over others.
Yes, Lemmy is 100% free speech.
We can make lemmy.spacepope.org and nobody can silence us. It doesn't prevent other instances from refusing to listen to the truth of space, but those who want to participate can.
And that's more-or-less what Odysee is working toward.
Link to an example where the platform in question has silenced dissent?
I didn’t say it did.
I said it’s a behavior that platforms like this have a habit of doing so.
It remains to be seen.
Most such attempts fail when not enough people subscribe to paying tiers. Good luck to them nevertheless, I hope they succeed.
Personally, I hope the platform that welcomes Nazis crashes and burns.
If anyone does want to support them, even by a small amount, and don't have much money, I personally recommend subscribing for a month or two to the Premium+ subsciption, which is only $2.99/month. It's all I can afford atm personally, so that's what I'm going to be doing. They deserve support just for this action alone.
I don't understand how that's much different than YouTube. If you pay for YouTube then you don't get ads either.
The difference is your favorite channel won't be destroyed by a corporate abusing copyright strike, they won't have to self-censor themselves from saying fuck or shit. A platform making money from ads means every content creator on that platform is a slave to the advertisers
...or "non-white people are degenerate inferiors".
Fuck Odysee.
My favorite channel wouldn't have millions of subscribers and a somewhat steady recurring income because of this.
It's a classic catch 22: Without viewers, no content creators. Without content creators, no viewers.
I think it's great that they try to get rid of what makes YouTube suck but I don't see that content creators are leaving YouTube anywhere soon.
They don't need to leave YouTube at all. That's because Odysee provides a YouTube sync feature, that syncs every upload from YouTube with the Odysee channel. They can set the sync and never touch Odysee again if they want to. Plus, if we collectively ask our favourite YouTubers to join Odysee, and actually make them realise that Odysee exists, more of them will eventually join. Once more have joined, it will be easier to convince even more YouTubers to join again. The cycle continues, and Odysee grows.
I'm sorry to be the guy that tried to ruin your party, but "if we collectively..."... How many people are you talking about?
100, 1000, 10000, 100000 ?
This is business. We're talking about someone's livelihood. Peace on earth is nice but it doesn't guarantee food on your table.
Syncing is an alternative as long as it doesn't mean that a view pays less on Odyssee than on YouTube. If it does, then the creator would not gain anything, just kidding income.
What is your selling argument for a YouTube creator with 100000 views on average to move to Odyssee?
100, 1000, 10000, 100000 ?
As many people as are willing to do it. If you're not; that's fine; I'm not telling anyone they have to; it's just an encouragement.
Syncing is up to the YouTuber, it's not hard to do, and requires no channel management after initially set up. They may not have a reason, depending on who they are, but it's better to get some people on board with it than none.
There is no "selling" point other than that it's easy to set up and may earn them some extra cash, even if it's not much in comparison to their YouTube pay. Other than that, there's the fact that YouTube false copyright claims videos all the time, and if the YouTuber can't get their video back up, their viewers can still at least view it through Odysee where the synced video did not get removed. If the channel is automatically taken down by false copyright issues, as has happened before, the video's aren't suddenly lost forever. Not all YouTubers keep a backup of all their videos on their own drives, and if their channel is taken down completely, "bye bye content". I'm not trying to say that these reasons are much for most YouTubers, but with dozens of millions of YouTubers out there making good money, there are bound to be at least hundreds of thousands of them who would sync with Odysee if they knew about it.
The point of the post is that Odysee no longer has ads. I'm not trying to say you needed the subscription to remove ads. That's how it was previously, until today. Free users don't see ads anymore.
The difference between YouTube Premium and Odysee Premium is mainly in it's reason for existing. YouTube Premium exists for the sole purpose of providing features that used to be free, with some extra things that most people don't givea hoot about and never use; and, you know... to make themselves richer. It exists so that people buy it for the value it specifically brings them.
So essentially; people buy YouTube premium for the features, while people buy Odysee Premium to support the growth of the platform, help fund the platform, and support free speech. The extra features they get are just a little bonus as thanks. Not only that, but the features Odysee provides are "Early-Access" features, which means that most, if not all of those features will become available for free users eventually. At that point, I'm not sure what Odysee Premium will provide if all the features become free; they'll have to figure something else out to give it more incentive. But as it currently stands, Odysee Premium is more like a donation than a service; which gives you extra features as thanks.
You're reading obnoxious levels of goodwill into the actions of a company that doesn't deserve it. This is just the video platform equivalent of "critical support to Russia."
Profits for big tech is never enough, and they will raise prices and introduce more ads forever. This is because in modern economy, having a quarter where the profits don't grow is punished severely on the stock market.
Is this not a neo-Nazi/far right platform? I only ever see them linking antivax and evropa content on Odysee. That’s where I’ve heard of it.
It isn't exclusively a Neo-Nazi platform, but it is a free-speech absolutist platform, so they have absolutely no problem platforming Nazis.
It's basically the 4chan of tube sites. All are welcome, but if you aren't a fascist you probably won't fit in.
If one Nazi is allowed into a bar, it’s a Nazi bar. I’ll continue to steer clear.
something something if there's a nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 nazis
To be honest, I've been using the website and I notice nothing of this. I can click a few links and get to said content, yes, but my feed and some of the categories I check are on par with YouTube. The only big difference I experience is that there's much more content of smaller content creators.
Great description, I may have to go chock this output. Any good android app for it, or is the mobile site a PWA?
Far right content is more common than on YouTube because of the guidelines, but in my experience the largest parts are crypto, privacy and similar, also a decent amount is gaming (at least that’s what I upload)
I've noticed that the Linux and open-source community is pretty big there, too; with a lot of them being part of the privacy community. I'm a part of this community on Odysee.
In my experience the Linux people are considerably more on peertube compared to its site, but this may just specific to the channels I watch
I don't use PeerTube much, but I plan to. This is probably why I didn't know it was bigger with Linux users. Though it makes sense since I tend to see PeerTube mentioned and linked to far more often on the internet than Odysee.
Its a mix of both in my exp. A deciding factor I think is money source for the creator. If it subscription (librepay, opencollective, patreon, etc) peertube is fine for them. If the primarily get paid more directly odessy is more enticing (because of its built in payment system).
I mirror my stuff from youtube over there and I do not fall into these categories. To be fair, I have the tiniest of audiences anyway, so... doesn't really matter either way.
Haven't checked in on Odyssee for a while though. Not sure if the auto mirror thing still works.
Same.
And I've noticed that there seems to be a very small user base there.
My videos and most in my niche only get 10s of views on Odysee.
When I go browsing around outside of my niche, I tend to find quite a bit of right wing conspiracy stuff. Not really who I want to be associated with, but it's not nearly as bad as some of the other (now failed) "free speech " video platforms that came before it.
I found your channel, and yeah, your latest YouTube uploads are still being synced to Odysee.
Thanks for checking :D that is pretty cool.
Cool. What's your channel? I have a gaming channel for no-commentary playthrough's. It's not synced from YouTube, though.
🤤👌 The best content.
Honestly, I might just have to think about getting into that type if thing. I am not one for editing anyway.
Go on!
Pretty much, unfortunately. And the people who run Odysee have repeatedly, time and time again, defended Nazis, white supremacists, far-right conspiracies, videos calling for genocide, etc.
Although in fairness, to my knowledge they haven't done what Musk has done for example and said "free speech [Unless you disagree with dear leader, then it's an account ban]!" Left-wing content is left alone (not that there's much of it on Odysee)
Ya that’s exactly what I would like to NOT support.
There may be content generators on there you can label that way, but that doesn't make the platform neo-nazi.
You take all of the stuff excluded from a big platform and put it on a small platform, and it'll swamp every other topic out. If as a platform runner you feel that you should not censor others, then this can happen.
On the flip side, there's nothing stopping other with less controversial opinions to post there as well. Nobody is going to be told their channel about supercars isnt racist enough, or their politics channel is too-left communist.
Strongly disagree with you. If you have a bar that tolerates Nazis, you’ll find that bar becomes a Nazi bar over time. To commingle with Nazis is to accept them and their ideology.
I’d have a very hard time sending people to my videos if they sit next to a white replacement theory video.
I think Odysee has created far fewer Nazis than sites with addiction exploiting algorithms that say they remove such topics.
You sometimes see that stuff on Odysee because they don't censor it, unless it promotes violence or hatred to individuals. They do have community guidelines after all, since they can't legally host... illegal content. In that sense there is censorship because they can't not censor things to some extent; but the free speech and large lack of censorship is their goal regardless. As an Odysee user for over 2 years, this is the minority of content on the platform. Where you do see that content that breaks the rules... that's what the report button is for.
All neo-nazi /far right content promotes violence and hatred to individuals, since groups are made up of individuals.
My understanding was that Odysee served the purpose to upload videos that could no longer be uploaded on YouTube due to YouTube’s community guidelines. The time I checked out that website the front page was full of manosphere types and the Evropa documentary and anti vax crap
Yikes. So if there weren't laws, they would let worse stuff fly than endorsing genocide.
Well I never happened to see anything related to these topics on Odysee. I mostly used to follow tech stuff as my other hobbies like cars and basketball aren’t really present on the platform.
If you have some favourite YouTube channels from the cars and basketball world, you should try contacting them personally and asking them to sync their channel with Odysee. Even if they choose not to; at least they've heard of it now, know at least some of their audience may want them to, and may consider it in the future 🙂.
It might not work asking in YouTube comments though, but it's worth a try. The reason I say this is I've personally tried it multiple times over the past year, and strangely I've been noticing that YouTube appear to be switching between banning the word "Odysee" spelled specifically that way, and not banning it. I would comment something with the word Odysee, and no matter what happens, it would immediately disappear the moment I refresh the page -- commenting anything else would work fine. A few months later, I tried it again and it worked. Some time after that, it stopped working again, and it was like that for quite a while. Fast forward a month or two, and I again checked it a few days ago, and it seems to be currently working again; and all my previous comments from the past about Odysee have reappeared in my comment history, when they previously would not appear in my comment history. So now could be a good time to comment. It wasn't a glitch with my account, because I tried it with two separate ones.
I can see my favorite channel now "I have zero interest in learning a new platform to have to figure out, I have a hard enough time with the mainstream sources" lmao
we went over this with Twitter, "I am not learning another social platform, when Twitter dies I will just not have any SM Presense except discord"
What are you quoting? I didn't say any of that.
I'm quoting what the last streamer who I followed stated when asked whether they would jump off Twitter when Twitter went to shit and everyone jumped ship.
"Associate your personal brand with the fringe-right/antivax/Nazi YouTube! What could possibly go wrong?"
I used to like Odysee until I saw them clearly promote conspiracy theories and far-right, almost Nazi rhetoric on the homepage.
Guys, just because the backbone of your site is decentralized doesn't mean your centralized frontend can't be modified by you.
They never even made a single attempt to help others develop alternative frontends too, so the decentralization there was more akin to decentralization theater.
Unfortunately that's one of the problems with a lot of alternative platforms.
You would think there'd be some decentralized video hosting thing popular with us Fediverse types but in practice they're all the low spots in the gutter in which the densest shit gathers. Most of the audience is on Youtube, and you only migrate to an alternative site if you've been banned from Youtube, and the folks who haven't been banned from Youtube don't tend to want to go stand next to the people who have so it's difficult for legitimate content creators to adopt those alternative platforms.
Dailymotion still exists and I think you can still upload there but I know of no "dailymotioners." Vimeo seems to have gone in a b2b direction, Twitch is mainly for live streaming, Tiktok succeeded where Vine failed, Nebula was some Youtubers starting their own Netflix with blackjack and hookers, Floatplane was LMG starting their own Netflix with blackjack and hookers, then you've got the several porn sites of varying dubiousness, and then down in the sump you've got the likes of LBRY and Odysee.
There are a few creators out there that publish multiple places. If it doesn't cost to publish, we could start encouraging more people to publish more places. The biggest problem is you do actually have a chance to get paid on Youtube. Most of the content worth watching is only doing it because they can make money
See that is what I think would eventually allow another platform to take off, is publishing to two sites at once.
Google's Adsense...I guess there are people making useful amounts of money with it? A lot of Youtubers seem to prefer having their own sponsors and do the ad read themselves and/or have some service like Patreon to allow their audience to fund them directly. Especially since that revenue won't just disappear on the whims of an algorithm like Adsense money will. "We've demonetized and age restricted this video. Reason? coin came up tails."
They never, ever stated the content on Odysee can't be removed; this is a misunderstanding spread by both people who don't use the platform, and even a lot who do use the platform but haven't properly done their research about how the platform works. They can't not have content removed since they are still legally required to remove illegal content, such as that which breaks copyright law, for example, pirates uploading full-length movies. Than when people find out that content can in fact be removed, they call Odysee a lair for something they never claimed.
Fair complaint.
As if Youtube didn't promote conspiracy theories and almost Nazi rhetorics that serve the country it's based in. They do, which they don't call as such. Everything else they'll call conspiracy theories and propaganda.
So that makes odysee's behaviour OK?
Nothing. But mentioning it, don't forget to mention Youtube as well.
I have no idea why you're being downvoted since you're 100% correct. I watch one video about gaming and YouTube's recommendations are all alt-right anti-feminist stuff with Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson.
Google surely knows enough about me to know I lean far-left but the algorithm is determined to feed me that slop.
I have no idea from a technical perspective if Odysee's algorithm is independent from or worse than YouTube's, but the criticism of YouTube is completely valid.
They’re being downvoted because one platform being shitty doesn’t excuse another from it.
See: Tu Quoque
I didn't read the argument as saying one platform's behavior excuses the other. I saw it as saying that both are bad.
It certainly doesn't come across as a defense of either platform to say they're both infested by Nazis.
I have watched super progressive content on Youtube but also watched conservative content as well. It's possible there are a lot of progressives who also watch content from the other side so the algorithm pushes it.
that's why you should be logged out of Google and also delete your cookies periodically :) To reset the memory of Google
The thing is that I do want to have my subscriptions and favorite channels, and as long as UBO blocks ads, I haven't fully made the switch to a different front-end.
But it still bothers me that it serves me far-right, religious, and conspiracy theory content given that I've never once engaged with any of those topics.
The difference between Odysee and YouTube is that YouTube doesn't claim to be a free speech platform that allows any possible statements on, and does often take down a lot of the harmful content. You only see the remainder, not the whole.
Odysee is quite small, and as such, could relatively easily moderate much more of the content on its platform, if they actually cared about doing so.
Odysee explicitly tries to allow as much speech as possible, claiming that they totally won't allow any bad content, while in reality, platforming LGBTQ+ misinformation, white nationalist rhetoric, anti-immigrant propaganda, etc.
All of those violate their Community Guidelines, by the way. But remember, it's guidelines, not actual policy as to what they remove.
Fox news seems to own YT's algorithm as far as I can tell.
Never a click from me, but 6 of the top 10 news vids every time.
i almost never watch news on yt, haven't gotten any.
I think that Chandra has a point - media platforms do often devolve into ad companies, once they rely on advertisement money to survive. Because once someone is paying for a platform's continued existence, they can dictate the terms, by simply threatening to stop paying for it.
And, granted, Odysee is a Nazi and crypto bro haven, but the point still stands - let us not be fools saying "Hitler ate bread so bread bad", and ignore a message that also applies to environments that [correctly] tell the Nazi to fuck off.
Nobody here is saying that ads are good. We're saying this disingenuous fascist is only saying these things because he can't make any money from ads. If he was making ad money he'd be saying exactly the opposite of all this. Fascists don't have any morals but power for power's sake. That's what fascism IS.
Regardless of why he's saying that ads fuck up media platforms, the reasoning itself is sensible. And, while nobody in this thread is saying "ads good", plenty people across Lemmy see advertisement as some sort of necessary evil when it comes to supporting online platforms, and they're willing to compromise, even if that would be a bloody mistake.
Then he would be saying something idiotic. (It wouldn't be noteworthy.)
It's actually worse than simple lack of morals: they have fucked up moral premises, that are immoral for anyone with a shred of dignity.
And even a broken clock is right twice a day. In this case, since Chandra got no financial support from ads, he stumbled upon a decent reasoning, regardless of doing so for moral or immoral reasons.
As a youtube premium member i wish youtube could cut out all ads for everyone and just keep the premium advantages for members. But i'm sure it's not that easy to keep the boat afloat. Hopefully they can get to a healthy balance of income for watch time and reduce ads for free viewers. But we all know they just want to see the line go up for the greed and would never reduce ads if people still watch with as many ads as possible.
Exactly - there's no such thing as "we got enough income, so maybe we should be kinder to our users", when it comes to Alphabet/Google/YouTube.
Alphabet?
Google's parent company.
Damn (thank you)
You're welcome!
The parent company is little known, because it's relatively recent (from 2015) and keeps low profile, so I'm not surprised that you didn't hear about it. I think that its main goal is to make it harder to sue Google for enforcement of vertical monopolies, given that other subsidiaries deal with AI and with broadband internet.
I've had a YouTube premium subscription for a long time as well, what advantages are there besides no ads that are actually worth having?
Youtube music comes with youtube premium wich i use a lot, listening with the screen turned off wich i use a lot for music and asmr, i saw that they added some kind of upscaling on some videos that i think are under 1080p to 1080p with increased bitrate or something like that, they added games recently wich i could not care less about. There might be other stuff but i'm not sure what else could be premium.
Yeah, I use YouTube music a lot. In terms of YouTube itself though, it's basically no ads, and the creators you do watch get a bit more coin than thru otherwise would.
I just noticed a new premium feature. I had a button pop up on screen to skip a sponsored segment in a video XD
Ooh, neato.
Adding to what has already been said, offline viewing in the mobile app, while still synchronizing the status of watched videos when you go back online. Already existed with new pipe, but now the creators get rewarded.
Good luck to them
Sure looks full of MAGA garbage. Conceptually it's a good idea, but I'll be passing since I don't need that trash in my life.
It definitely is, but it doesn't try to force recommendations on you like YouTube. You can mostly just subscribe to channels you like and view their content.
It doesn't force recommendations on you, and channels you don't like can be muted or blocked. I've only blocked a handful of channels (Most of them were synced from YT too). Than there are sections: if you only want to see content you like to see, use the respective sections. If you want to see technology content, you aren't going to click on the spirituality section.
Furthermore, recommendations aren't actually a free feature (yet), as it's still in early access and comes with Premium. 99.99% of the people who are upset about the "recommended content" being stuff they strongly dislike aren't actually even being recommended anything to begin with. The videos that appear on the side are "Related" videos. Their system for determining related videos isn't extremely comprehensive yet, so some other random content can slip through the cracks. For example, I was listening to a no-copyright music track called Icelanding Arpeggios, and I was shown a "Related" video along the side; a video synced from YouTube, which was of a man's voice reading aloud Psalm 4 of the Old Testament with Icelanding Arpeggios playing in the background. The reason it was classified as "Related" wasn't because some system was able to listen to the music in the video, but because the exact words "Icelanding Arpeggios" appeared in the description of said video about that Psalm. Here's an example of "Related" suggestions. In this case they are working well and as intended, showing more video's related to Solid-State batteries.
So the current unfortunate reality is that a video about, for example, how gravity works, occasionally may suggest "Related" content on the side about gravity not being real, that the earth is flat, and that the sun is 3,000 miles in the sky. Because, you know, it's about the sun and gravity. The video's are technically related in some way, but most people who are learning about the universe don't want to see that, because it has no real scientific basis, is not widely accepted, and gravity and the ball earth has already been proven to be true.
After all, Odysee is still being developed, and their system's for suggested "Related" content is still not fully matured.
I completely understand not wanting to see that there, and you don't have to see it, and besides, I see that all over YouTube too when I'm not signed in receiving good recommendations based on what I like.
I suggest reading my comment response to YTG123 (which is the other person who just replied to you), since you probably weren't notified of it. Sorry to not reply directly, but I understandably don't want to write another few hundred words, and the comment is relevant to you.
Thank you for this reasonable response.
Perhaps when things mature, I’ll give it another look. YouTube for me, when not signed in, does not have the sheer plethora of MAGA nonsense like this site does. Maybe it’s some regional algorithm, I don’t know, though I live in the south where MAGA idiocy runs rampant.
I take the path of least resistance when it comes to filtering out lies and garbage from my life. For now it’s simpler for me to just not browse the site than to weed out such content.
Internet is full of MAGA garbage. Bittorrent DHT is full of MAGA garbage. What's your point? There are ways to filter out what you don't want to see.
If you can’t see the point, then I cannot help you.
The point of course is that if you don't want to see it, you refuse to use any platform that allows others to see it. Which must make it awfully hard to use the internet. Surprised you manage to even use Lemmy.
Free speech is protection from government oppression. Last I checked, I'm not the government, neither is Lemmy, neither is any other site on the internet that doesn't end in .gov (typically), and this isn't a free speech issue despite what MAGA idiots would have people think. If the platform wants that shit there, so be it, and I won't use it when it's painted on their front page. I use Lemmy because I was here (on another instance originally) before the MAGA weirdos decided to join to spread their bullshit, so I've had time to curate -- apparently I have to do it again, or simply leave this instance. I was also alive well before the MAGA weirdos decided to spread their fascist Nazi propaganda all over the place. There was once a world war about that -- and they lost. I guess they don't like being losers.
Just because I use the internet (which I have been doing since only a few years after the WWW was invented), doesn't mean I have to tolerate bullshit when I see it. Perhaps if everyone was like this, the internet wouldn't be the shithole it has become.
And I'm done responding now, because clearly you and many others in this thread will never understand, or even care to understand.
This appears to be an argument against a position I wasn't taking. You just appear to be upset that alternative video streaming sites don't ban people you disagree with. Good luck with that.
Hey, you may been around longer than I have. Only had the internet since the mid 90s. So it depends on how you define "a few". It was a very different beast back then, and I for one miss the relative lack of concentrated corporate control and mandatory advertiser-friendliness.
I chalk that up to said concentrated corporate control and mandatory advertiser-friendliness, but then I don't think it's become a shithole because people I disagree with also have a voice, but because of aggressive monetization and the enshittification that that inevitably entails.
No, you are well understood. You are opposed to alternative video platforms (and apparently some other unnamed Lemmy instance) because those things do not necessarily reinforce your echo chamber, and you consider that reinforcement a vital feature. I'm waaay over on the far end of the spectrum, and chose my instance specifically because they do not defederate, they keep everything available and leave it up to the user to decide what they do or do not wish to see (and I to date have nothing blocked - no users, no communities, no servers).
Finally: ad-free Nazi Propaganda.
Isn't this the crypto bro, far right haven site? No thanks.
It split from LBRY, which originally pushed a cryptocurrency system kind of like Brave's BAT. They're now trying to go decentralized, but it's with a blockchain system, so I guess we'll see where that goes (blockchain isn't a problem, provided they're not pushing a currency).
I'm interested to see where it goes, so I sub to a few channels I'd otherwise watch on YouTube. But I'm not giving them any of my money until they earn it. I'm currently paying for Nebula because a few of my favorite channels are there, and I'd be willing to pay for Odysee if there was a decent value proposition.
Blockchain is innately stupid. There is no scenario where it would make sense to use blockchain over another technology.
I disagree. I think it makes a lot of sense for something like a distributed authentication system. Or perhaps a distributed voting system. Basically, if you want a distributed system with some sort of consensus, blockchain is your best bet.
Is this like…an actual commitment to free speech, or is “freeze peach” I.e. the right claiming they are being silenced online with no evidence and demanding they never be held accountable for what they say?
Unfortunately, it's probably the latter.
They have actively defended far-right content, even videos that have openly called for genocide.
For balance, though, they haven't purged left wing content like some "free speech" people do (not that there's much of that there anyway)
Do they also suppress left/socialist content?
If they did, then yeah it's a shit service.
I am by no means defending Nazi content. But if they are allowing any speech, I'd say this is closer to being "free speech" than Twitter currently is.
Speech doesn't exist in a vacuum, and all ideas aren't equal. The libertarian idea of absolute free speech is a half-baked notion that holds that Nazi philosophies are equal to Humanist philosophies, and they each deserve the same megaphone and chance to thrive.
Fuck. That. And fuck anyone who thinks that or platforms Nazis. Libertarian free speech is a myth that only benefits Nazis and other bad actors.
Yes, it goes both ways. And they aren't using the platform to push any of their personal believes either.
Why does that always end up being the case?
Because good people aren't free speech absolutists, because we understand the danger of leaving violent or dishonest ideas unchallenged.
Anyone who thinks Nazism is an idea worthy of consideration is just a Nazi. That argument was concluded in 1945, and the only people revisiting it are people who want a different conclusion.
TIL Odysee had ads. UBO FTW
Edit; tbf, I haven't been on it in a long long while. Generally too extremist for me.
That's kinda the issue for a platform like that, at least in the early stages. You'll get all the people who've been kicked off YouTube, and not the mainstream content.
Very true! Lemmy wasn't super like that, but then again, reddit allowed nearly anything (apparently including csam to a certain degree). Then the API debacle, and that crap came here. Yt is more strict on certain things, which pushes those scourges of society to these platforms that are in their early stages, giving them an abysmal reputation.
I mean Lemmy was like that though. After the exodus from Reddit most major instances defederated from hexbear which is like the OG Lemmy instance
This is ahistorical. The original Lemmy instance is lemmy.ml, and it was hugely tankie literally from the beginning - the .ml referring to marxist-leninism, years before Reddit’s API changes. It’s nothing to do with people being banned from Reddit, it’s just that the concept of a federated message board platform was appealing to communist software developers, who created and guided the project. If anything, the anti-tankie sentiment which is popular on instances like lemmy.world is what came to lemmy after the Reddit exodus.
Tankies have never really been regularly banned on Reddit in any real extent.
Lemmy got like that after the exodus. No? I mean, I saw some BS here and there, but not nearly as much as right before the hexbear nonsense. Granted, I wasn't on here much, and using a now defunct username, but I still didn't see nearly as much.
Lemmy sort of started with people that got banned from Reddit
You can get banned from reddit?? That doesn't bode well haha
I got perma-banned from a (mainstream, ordinary) sub for — and I'm really not joking here — criticising the "Caravan of Death", which was a fascist death squad used by Chilean dictator Pinochet to assassinate political opponents in 1973.
I asked the mod team if they could specify the rule I broke, and then clearly they asked a Reddit admin to block my entire account, because that's what happened.
Maybe I could appeal and get the account back, but I don't really care that much.
Let's see...I've been banned from subs I've never viewed so much as a single post from for having commented on other, entirely unrelated subs.
I've been banned from r/atheism for "egregious immorality" which ironically sounds like the sort of thing you'd be banned from a religious sub for.
How long ago was this? This sounds like actions that the past couple years worth of mods would take, but maybe I'm wrong.
Last week
Makes sense. Sorry that happened to you. Hopefully Lemmy won't becomes like that (I mean as a whole, individual instance still can and have become like that).
Yeah, just endorse punching Nazis, a friend of mine got banned from Reddit for that.
I mean, that is technically promoting violence against an identifiable minority political group.
Recently? Because that would make sense. That's basically who's left on the platform.
Like a month before the API changes, actually.
I left a couple months before the change (after the announcement). I was lurking here again, since I lost my password to my previous Lemmy account. Maybe others were doing similar things, and reddit was already emptying of its more friendly community.
E: autocorrect
You can get randomly banned on reddit.
Yeah, there wasn't much that didn't fly on Reddit, and banning a subreddit usually meant those users spread their bile elsewhere on the platform. The platform was self policing to an extent, in the fact that anyone too extreme became a topic of mockery elsewhere and weren't really taken seriously.
I’m so sick of hearing that odysee is only a nazi crypto scam. That content exists on every platform but by shitting all over every option that comes out and then whining when YouTube does more anti user crap is just ridiculous.
You don't need to just use odysee. You can use YouTube for your recommendations then be redirected for the content. Eventually when recommendations are there it will be an easy transition for the majority of people but until then, at the very least don’t step on the face of a working competitor that has good intentions.
P.s. You don’t need to use the token, it was mostly just given to viewers and creators for free.
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Exactly. Another awesome thing the extension provides is the ability to migrate all your YouTube subscriptions over to Odysee. You also have two options with the Watch on Odysee extension. You can 1: Make YouTube links immediately redirect to Odysee (default option), or 2: Have a "Watch on Odysee" button appear to the left of the subscribe button on every YouTube video that also exists on Odysee (Example screenshot). Choosing the latter option means you don't need to disable the extension every time you want to comment on a YouTube video.
Another thing people keep doing is acting like Odysee is a free speech absolutist platform, in that they allow you to say and post absolutely anything. This is not true, because they have community guidelines which do not allow hate speech and promotion of violence (two examples). It's just less strict and more fair in it's moderation practices than YouTube.
Some Links: Firefox extension (can't find it for Chrome, for some reason); Community Guidelines
Edit: If you want the extension on Chrome, you can get it directly from GitHub. You may need to view a guide if you don't know how to install extensions manually.
It's like 98% uncontrolled extremist garbage. I can take or leave the crypto but the actual content is just so awful. We have better options.
Odysee is is one of the few alternative platforms with a decent left wing audience. The only other majority progressive platforms are Mastodon and Lemmy, though Lemmy has a lot of neo-progressive tankies and angry conservative tankies.
"free-speech" ❌ "you can say shit uncontrolably" ✅
You cannot say things "uncontrollably" as there is still a community guidelines set of rules that just aren't as strict as YouTube's, plus the ability to report is there too. Despite being a free speech platform, it is still legally required not to host illegal content, and so these community guidelines absolutely must be there. If the comments or videos directly promote violence or hatred (just two examples), they are grounds for removal by site moderators. They are usually only removed when people report them, though, since the moderation team likely isn't very large at this point in time.
In my 2 years with Odysee, I've found one person earlier this year directly promoting extreme violence in a comment section. That's one time too many; but it's still a long time. I reported them, and they were removed. I don't know how long it took for them to remove it though, because I only checked if the comment was still there after a couple of weeks; and it wasn't; so I can't speak for the swiftness of the moderators in their actions yet.
One problem is when sometimes reporting doesn't work, and the shit stays there possibly forever, even after "human" review.
Well if you report a video about a conspiracy theory for example, it won't be removed unless it directly promotes or incites violence or hatred toward a particular person or group(s) if people. You may not like the content, but if it does not break the rules specifically laid out in the guidelines, it is not grounds for removal. The platforms goal is to allow as much free speech as is reasonable (and legal), not to allow people to say absolutely anything they want with no repercussions.
Nice, but the platform we need more is Peertube
PeerTube is great too
It never seems to load, is my hardened browser breaking peering ? What exactly needs to be whitelisted ?
I know it sounds like capitalist crep, but Peertube needs a solid form of monitization (I think).
Creating videos is expensive and hosting videos is expensive. Without a source of income for creators it cannot survive.
It's more market anarchism than capitalism IMO. The factors of production here are controlled 100% by its users, not whoever last bought the whole thing.
I'm going to try setting up an instance but one issue with it that I see is that instance owners will be the only permitted uploaders for most instances since storage and bandwidth is a huge issue when it comes to video hosting platforms.
Honestly, after all the shit YouTube is pulling with their ad systems, I wouldn't mind those old tiny banner strip ads that used to occasionally pop up at the bottom of a video. Compared to the current standard of 3 minutes of unskippable ads interrupting every other video, those little banners are downright unobtrusive.
Don't forget that ads used to be context aware instead of user aware. Which was perfect for privacy.
Hell, I never minded those in theory, it was only how obnoxious they were made that was the problem.
That's the issue with online advertising in a nutshell, isn't it.
Oh wow I forgot about those
Not familiar with Odysse, how's they're content moderation? We don't need another fascist platform.
I started digging into Odyssey some time ago when I found electro boom and big Clive were posting there. Immediately there was a lot of trash, like mostly trash. I went ahead and created an account where I could actually block content makers. I started off just blocking the wheel offensive ones anyone spouting libtards and woke. Moved into blocking clinate deniers and anti-vaxs, flat earthers. I just sit there and block 40 or 50 every time I logged in. Slowly, the content became less offensive overall. But you start running into the problem where they're all just videos from the same 30 preppers showing you how to make eggs in a $5,000 freeze dryer. I eventually started blocking the annoying and repetitive stuff. I haven't checked recently, but in its heyday the content just wasn't there even if you got rid of all the other crap you didn't want to see
You had me at the ability to block content creators. The fact that YouTube doesn't have this is insane.
YouTube has a "Don't recommend this channel" option. Which, as far as I can tell, does actually get them to stop recommending the channel on the main recommended feed. If you're subscribed they'll still show up in your subscriptions and will still show up in search if you look for them (to the extent that anything relevant shows up in search).
The option isn't prominent, it's in the "3-dot" menu next to a video on the recommended feed and I've been unable to find a way to view or manage the list of blocked channels, but it's there.
Edit: a word - "able" to "unable"
Yeah, this is an option on YouTube.
On Odysee, there's both the option to "Block" channels, or seperately "Mute" channels. You can also manage your blocked and muted channels separately under Profile > Settings > Content Settings > Blocked and muted channels. According to this page in the official Help Hub:
So basically, if you don't want to see their content (including comments); mute them. If you don't want them to talk to you or be seen in your own channels' comment sections by both yourself or others; block them. If you want absolutely nothing to do with them, you can both block and mute them simultaneously. Note: The article shows how to block/mute them from within the comments section. You can also block/mute them from the channel page itself or by clicking the 3-dots beside their video thumnail.
I did that, took me a couple weeks. There were a handful of content creators left.
Yeah, I find that since so many people watch such different content from each other, it means that whether or not the content on a smaller platform like Odysee is actually interesting to people, tends to be hit or miss. It still needs more growth fix that issue. I still watch a lot of YouTube though, and Odysee has their own official extension which allows you to choose to either redirect YouTube links to Odysee (if the same video officially exists there), or show a "Watch on Odysee" button right YouTube's "Subscribe" button.
I noticed there wasn't enough gameplay videos of the games that I like, and hardly any game soundtracks uploaded, so I started uploading my full game playthrough's and game OST's to a couple of channels for the people who also have my taste in videos. Oh yeah, fun fact: You can also have multiple channels on the same account and quickly switch between them. It's pretty cool. The extension even lets you transfer your subs over from YT.
go there, you'll se it immediately.. loads of maga terrorist garbage
It's depressing that bleating "free speech" has become a shibboleth, betraying the speaker's tedious far right contrarianism and a wish to express it without consequence. Racists, Nazis, x-phobes, bigots of all stripes; these are your target audience when your primary objective for your platform is supposedly "free speech", especially when it's in opposition to the censorship of your users' bigotry on other platforms. I wish it weren't so, but it fucking is, 100% of the time.
It's like on reddit, when you discover a splinter sub called r/FunSubReborn or something, where they post the same content as r/FunSub, but in this "reborn" sub you can also be an unmitigated cunt in the comments and make racist or phobic remarks without getting banned.
Tedious, tiresome, clueless wankers.
r/TrueUnpopularOpinion, r/TrueOffMyChest, r/GoodAnimemes (that sub was made after r/Animemes mods stated that "trap" was a slur, which made a bunch of manchildren angry who went to go make their own sub, so you can immediately guess how much of a misogynistic porn-oriented hellhole it is)
The mods are still wrong.
Trap is a slur, especially used often by weebs. Describing gender non-conforming characters who look feminine as "traps", including many canonically non-binary and woman characters, is pretty fucked up when you think about it. To them, "traps" and genderqueer people in general are sex objects, not characters with respectable identities. Most of the weebs that throw that word around are also the ones to do trans erasure, like denying that a character is transgender or otherwise gender non-conforming, instead treating any character implied not to be AFAB as a man; and then often ironically going crazy defending it as "not gay" because that'd be bad – there's a reason "traps aren't gay" is a meme, and it's an unironically defended position by these people. They convince themselves it's not gay by reducing queer people & characters down to sex objects, things to masturbate to, rather than people. If you don't see them as an equal person, it's not gay or immoral, is how they process it. Obviously they won't say that explicitly if you ask them though, they'll just say it's not gay because being attracted to things that look like women is straight or something.
That's why it's used a shit ton in, you know, porn. Not just hentai, but actual real porn. Usually in place of "bitch", "whore", or some other word used to dehumanize women. They're used in the same derogatory manner. It's pretty disturbing when men use "bitch" or "whore" to refer to women and female characters, it's dehumanizing. And it'd be pretty disturbing to well-adjusted people if someone described anyone feminine genderqueer as "a trap", but this is a slur that weebs are fine using amongst themselves.
This problem is made worse by the fact that generic animes started to play into this, that is, they created "trap" tropes (with a lot of objectified/token otokonoko or josoko characters popping up because weebs like it).
You would think those people wouldn't equate anime characters with real people, but this mentality transfers between fiction and nonfiction unfortunately. Often times the way you feel about character identities in media is representative of the way you feel about the identities of real people – just look at the backlash of the gamergate people about the woke "ruining games and movies" by putting minorities and women in them.
Now, I'm not saying everyone who's ever used the word "trap" is a bigot or anything. People use words without realizing the way others see it, and the impact it has. I used it in my weeb phase. But undeniably, "trap" is a derogatory word and a slur used to objectify queer people, and it always has been – it originated in 4channers & internet weirdos getting mad over trans people being at gaming events, posting pictures and labelling them "traps" ("they're trying to trick you into thinking they're a woman to trap you into having sex with them, when they're really not a woman"). It's no different than other slurs for queer people (like "fag" or "sodomite"). It's harmful and shouldn't be used. Persistence on using it shows a lack of respect for (or just plain ignorance of) genderqueer people and their identities.
Yeah it really does seem this way.
I've never been a "free speech absolutist". I acknowledge that censorship is problematic, but it seems much less so than the alternative.
And how will they support themselves? Another crypto scheme to battle out with SEC?
Are they still using LBRY? Or did they switch to a different protocol?
They officially announced they were switching to the Arweave protocol in a post a little under a month ago, but I'm not sure if it's happened yet; haven't looked further into it yet, and it was revealed by other sources a little while prior to that.
I was curious what Arweave was, so I went to their site.
Turns out it's yet another crypto scheme.
I thought this statement on their landing page was particularly funny:
It's a blockchain system, but that doesn't mean it's related to cryptocurrencies in any way. Maybe it is, idk, but blockchain != cryptocurrencies, many cryptocurrencies use blockchains though because it's useful for what they're trying to do.
I am aware that blockchain is not the same thing as cryptocurrency.
And they do have a coin:
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/arweave/
I was a big fan of odysee but once LBRY lost to the SEC I figured it would die or change horribly. Im not sure who owns odysee now, how hosting works on it now that LBRY has been dissolved, or whos mining rigs are running the decentralized lbry blockchain that still presumably powers odysee. I need to know the details in clear detail before I trust it again on a technical level. I am more skeptical of crypto now and think a paid patreon membership peertube instance may be the best way to go. Peertubes biggest issue is scaling hosting cost as it gets bigger and donations can't keep up as well as lifetime of an instance. If I host my videos on your site and a year later it goes dark or they were deleted because the server maintainer just didn't want them taking up space, thats kind fustrating.
Yeah, the onus is on us to keep the backups and perhaps reseed if necessary. The whole part where Youtube is a massive free unlimited hosting library is not sustainable eventually. Crypto has always been a grift with a variable lifespan, it just funds the services while it's in it's bubble.
Odysee was owned by LBRY before the LBRY company was dissolved. They were founded by the same team of people who created the LBRY company, and the LBRY network/protocol (the decentralised part), but are not themselves the same company. So the LBRY company going away was never going to dissolve Odysee also, which is why they still exist today. LBRY (the company) dissolving did not affect the content on Odysee because the LBRY network/protocol itself is open-source and decentralised; and LBRY being sued and dying does not somehow make the LBRY network/protocol illegal for Odysee (or anyone) to use. If Odysee had gone away, anyone else could have jumped in and made a new replacement frontend for the LBRY network/protocol (Odysee is a frontend for LBRY, after all).
About a month ago, Odysee announced that they would be moving away from the LBRY network over to the Arweave network. Now, I'm not sure when they are going to do this, but it appears that at the minute they are still using the LBRY network/protocol for content uploads. The reason I think they are still using LBRY at this very minute, is that when I uploaded a video to my Odysee channel yesterday, I noticed in my personal uploads page that it was still using the lbry:// at the beginning of it's address on the network.
ngl i should also post my yt videos on peertube and odysee
ngl you should 😂
I don't know if PeerTube has the option, but with Odysee, there's an option to automatically sync your existing YouTube channel with Odysee. It will bring over the video, the description, and will be uploaded in full quality; the comment section will be separate though, so the comments on Odysee are by Odysee users themselves.
ok that is life saving peertube its hard finding a server
How... How are they gonna pay for bandwidth if there aren't any ads?
They also earn money from the optional premium subscriptions, the 5% cut from channel donations, and 100% of the donations sent directly to them. The way the direct donations work is by going to a video, and just below it, clicking the "$ Support" button and making the donation either via cash or LBC. That's an option for all channels on the platform.
Otherwise, I don't know the ins-and-outs of how the decentralised blockchain system works, but they do not have to host all of the sites content themselves, as it is also voluntarily hosted by other users. I'm not sure how this works at the moment; it previously worked by being a user of the LBRY Desktop app, but after the LBRY company shut down, and the LBRY app went away, I'm not sure how other people host the pieces of that content anymore. They are moving away from the LBRY blockchain protocol, over to the Arweave protocol, so I imagine they will bring out an Arweave app that may replace the LBRY app which that was used previously.
Channels can still run they're own in-video ads tho, yeah?
It's less so, but not incorruptible.
Tbh I’m OK with brand deals from creators I like, it’s the forced 2 minutes of unskippable bullshit I can’t stand
I'm okay with it too. But it undoubtedly influences content.
It also breaks the flow of the video, which is why I have started skipping them. I noticed just how much nicer videos without any sponsorships are because you dont have to dedicate time to lead into and out of an ad and can continue the video without explaining everything twice.
I also dont see any value gained by me or the creator if I fully watch the 100th squarespace commercial, as I dont get to hear anything new.
But the most egregious videos are where they try to hide that they are transitioning into an ad, like by creating some minute long argument that leads from the topic to the sponsor. Which leads to me not only having wasted my time for the actual ad, but also the transition.
Yes, but usually it's the videos that are synced to Odysee directly from YouTube which contain these sponsored segments. I've never seen an Odysee exclusive video before that has a sponsored segment, because the platform isn't big enough for advertisers to care.
Legitimately first time hearing about Odysee... Impressed, this could actual be a YouTube replacement.
I'm glad my reaching out has helped find people who've never heard of it. It's got quite a lot of users, but has been growing very slowly in user-base the last few years, simply due to not enough people talking about it and allowing natural growth of the platform.
I just synced my youtube channel with odysee... Yeah a bunch of alt right trash is floating around but the only way to change that is to drown it out with actual content. The more normal content uploaded the less breathing room for the outrageous bullshit in feeds. Hopefully my library helps.
Awesome! What's your channel?
Unfortunately I can't share it on this account but it's a channel for the maker community and related tools :P
Cool, yeah that's fair enough. I was unsure about sharing my own channel here too, considering I'm very careful about my privacy.
Ditto lol I spent a long time changing accounts and setting up new ones to have a unified handle across the net I can just share my real opinions about lol gotta keep it up it's hard work out here.
That's great, now remove all your bloat and spyware.
Then they would need to bring back ads
What bloat/spyware?
What bloat? And Spyware...?
The only trackers they use are onetrust geolocation cookie, which determines the country and state/city, but not exact location, based on your IP address. Than there's googletagmanager, which I agree they should remove just for being Google.
Calling them spyware for the tiny speck of data-collection they do is petty, when you're completely ignoring the things that prove they specifically care about privacy. For one, you can sign up completely anonymously; secondly, you can comment and post videos under the name "Anonymous"; thirdly, according to their Privacy Policy:
Fourth: they are the only website I've ever known of to actually respect the "Do Not Track" setting that you can explicitly toggle in your browser settings. There is no standard way of managing "Do Not Track" signals in the industry, so 99% of websites have no systems in place to stop themselves collecting your data when this browser setting is enabled.
There's some tracking they were doing prior to their ads removal a few days ago in regards to what ads you were clicking on. But everything related to ads will likely be removed from the policy very soon, as the policy was last updated in 2021 when they were still serving ads. Example:
Odysee is not spyware, and nor is it bloated. Even if you could argue it has some amount of bloat (which is usually subjective, so you probably can); it still wouldn't be anywhere near the 50x more bloat that YouTube, the very thing they are trying to be an alternative to, have themselves.
Does it have an android app?
It does. You can get it on the Google Play Store or F-Droid. F-Droid version is very outdated though. You can always officially get the latest version directly from apk.odysee.tv.
I only found out about that link to the latest version a few days ago, and I was previously using the F-Droid version to avoid using Google services. I don't know how much better the latest version is, but my experience with the very outdated F-Droid version was that the app was very slow and laggy. I heard that performance tends to be quite good or terrible depending on your phone; my phone is just a cheap android phone from a few years ago, so it makes sense it didn't run well for me. I haven't tested the latest version yet.
It does! It's on the Google Play store. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.odysee.app
They served ads before? My librewolf didn't showed them tho
Nice! Yeah, I use LibreWolf too and never saw them. I started using the mobile app recently which didn't block ads though. I found them a bit annoying because the mobile app is very unoptimised atm, so the ads being there just made things worse.
The way they worked previously was that they would appear in the apps interface. They wouldn't play within the video's themselves, and a small advertisement would pop up at the bottom of the screen which you could cross-off manually.
Iv been using odysee for a couple years and never had an ad on the ios or android app. Nor in the browser. (In video sponsors dont count). Odysee ftw i much prefer when creators i watch use youtube and a alternative platform like odysee
Yes, I just remembered that I'm pretty sure the F-Droid version of the app on Android doesn't contain ads, because F-Droid probably didn't allow it; while the Google Play version did contain ads. I'm not sure why they didn't appear on your iPhone though, I don't have one to test that.
Good, ads sucks.
How do creators generate income? Is it just Patreon type stuff? YouTube is probably one of the few services I actually don't hate using other than its terrible algorithm.
I've never cared to generate income on my own channel, so I'm not sure how all of it works. But the main way that I know of is through channel tips. There's a ($ Support) button below every channel and content upload, which lets you directly tip the creator. You can use Patreon or anything else if you want to, but the functionality is built in. Odysee gets a 5% cut of all the tips sent to channels. There may be other ways of making money, but I'm not aware of what they might be.
Edit: Heres's their help page about monetization: https://help.odysee.tv/category-monetization/
This is extremely helpful! Thank you for the insight.
I stopped looking into Odysee after I heard LBRY was shutting down. There doesn't seem to be much transparency on what the future of the site is. Also echoing the concern that some have already raised, the complete lack of moderation is a double edged sword that seems to have fostered a home for right-wing extremists.
There is moderation, the ability to report content and comments, and community guidelines. Odysee having a complete lack of moderation is a myth, and I have personally had content removed by moderators before by reporting it.
"On terms agreeable to its users" In the meantime, uses Cloudflare... Good shit there are alternative front-ends
"All ads are removed" is written at the top of the site, directly under an ad.
Seems like that it's only a banner of the own platform incentivizing people to purchase memberships do the video creators can make money
Yeah, it's referring to the memberships you can begin as a monthly donation to specific creators, not the Premium subscription that directly supports Odysee.
Edit: I now know that this banner is not an ad for Odysee's premium subscriptions as it may seem to be. Memberships are separate to Premium entirely. Memberships are like the "Join" button you find on YouTube, where you pay a donation to that specific content creator and may get bonuses such as a badge next to your name in the comments, early access to videos, etc. depending on what benefits the creator chose themselves. Odysee only gets a 5% cut from this. This is completely justified as being the only thing that is arguably an ad on the site, as it is purely there to help creators thrive on the platform, and it can also be hidden permanently by clicking the X at the top-right of the banner; so they aren't even being forceful about it either. The ads being removed were mainly referring to the pop-up ads that third-parties could place on the website.