Who’d have thought BoredApe NFTs would be such an actual eyesore?
"All 5 attendees were treated on scene. Paramedics were originally very concerned about brain damage but were relieved when they saw the name of the event. 'Can't fry an egg that's not there,' stated one."
the event’s DJ later discovering lighting used mainly for disinfection purposes had been installed at the venue
idiots
This was referring to a different event at a different venue. While it seems likely that they made the same mistake, it's best we wait for more info before jumping to conclusions.
Similar symptoms, which include sunburn and waking up to severe, burning eye pain, were reported in 2017 by partygoers who attended a Hypebeast event at The Landmark commercial complex also in Hong Kong, with the event’s DJ later discovering lighting used mainly for disinfection purposes had been installed at the venue. The Landmark venue did not feature on the ApeFest event plan, and the two incidents appear unrelated.
Good news everyone! You have been permanently disinfected!
You'll never see another germ!
Read the full paragraph:
Similar symptoms, which include sunburn and waking up to severe, burning eye pain, were reported in 2017 by partygoers who attended a Hypebeast event at The Landmark commercial complex also in Hong Kong, with the event’s DJ later discovering lighting used mainly for disinfection purposes had been installed at the venue. The Landmark venue did not feature on the ApeFest event plan, and the two incidents appear unrelated.
Yuga Labs says it’s currently investigating reports of impeded vision and skin/eye injuries believed to be caused by unprotected exposure to UV lights during ApeFest 2023.
Jesus Christ.
Anyway, I'm... Actually somewhat impressed they're still having Monkey PNG meetups. I kind of assumed every NFT was a scam but this one is just a very expensive buy-in to a cryptonerd club, I guess.
I also kinda figured the people who are into the Monkey PNGs aren’t exactly the ones who go to meetups
I think it's more that they tend not to get invited to non-monkey PNG meetups. Possibly in part due to their habit of turning any meetup into a monkey PNG one.
Have to go out there and put in the work to proselytize their Lord and Savior Blockchain.
Blockchain and NFT are not synonymous. All Camrys are cars but not all cars are Camrys.
Eh, the relationship isn't quite the same as that one.
It's more like the relationship between a video game framework and a video game. Pygame, Unity, or Godot are not games you can play; they're tools for programmers to build games with.
Similarly, blockchain is a technology for implementing scams; NFTs are one specific scam.
Similarly, blockchain is a technology for implementing scams
By that logic the US dollar is a means for facilitating crime. It's certainly used for that, a lot, but that isn't what it is for. A blockchain is for keeping an immutable and verifiable record by way of cryptography. That there are a lot of scams doesn't change what it is.
By that logic the US dollar is a means for facilitating crime.
See, the difference is that dollars have legitimate uses.
As does Blockchain, which is widely used for such purposes already.
Not really, unless you think ransomware is a legitimate use.
Nope, you can go and check common usage of blockchain tech, plenty of legit uses, especially in banking.
Like what?
As I said, in banking, often to confirm that transactions are real.
Yeah, you're hating for the sake of hating with no clue why. I'm just going to go ahead and block you, kthxbye.
It's not for the sake of hating, it's because blockchain / cryptocurrency / NFTs / etc. are problems in search of a legitimate solution. So far all they've found is massive energy wasting and ransomware.
blockchain
You are conflating the ideas for some weird reason. It's like blanket arguing against the internet because things happen on it which are illegal.
I'm not sure what you mean. Are you not aware that NFTs are built on top of blockchain tech?
Yes, and? There are other usages as I've said.
blockchain is a technology for implementing scams; NFTs are one specific scam.
No. Blockchain is a technology where you generate a hash of an event that happened - e.g. garage door opened at 7:00am, and then you hash another event - garage door closed at 7:02am, continue doing that for years, hundreds of thousands of garage door movements, and just by looking at the last hash in the event chain, you can verify, in less than a millisecond, that two copies of the blockchain are identical (e.g. the working data set and a backup copy of it).
It's just a simple and efficient data integrity checker and it's shit for scams - because there's no way to hide your tracks when the feds investigate you... as Sam Bankman-Fried just learned.
Pretty soon the scammers will realise they're better off with cash and paper books which can easily be doctored (or simply misplaced - "sorry your honor, we can't find records for July 2021 anywhere!").
Yep. It's hard to feel sorry for anyone who got grifted, who knew that buying the equivalent of a graffiti'd up CVS receipt would turn out to be worthless.
Bullshit and horseshit are different, but they're both shit.
It's all the same to the cryptobros
Sure they are, they're just always nervous Chris Hansen is going to be there already.
I kind of assumed every NFT was a scam
This one hasn't yet proven that it isn't, just that the people who bought in had a lot of disposable income to begin with.
Sunken cost fallacy at this point. They have to keep believing it's a thing otherwise they have to face the reality that they were duped.
Or the opposite, they know it's dropping like a stone so they try to keep it relevant for potential buyers to offload it to?
Sunk cost, I guess. A lot of people in the crypto industry are still here because they don't want to admit that they were wrong about it.
NFTs have a number of interesting legitimate use cases. Jpeg pump-and-dumps are, however, not one of them.
The thing about the jpg ones is that the jpgs can't be stored in the blockchain, so what is actually stored is a URL to some server (and that URL endpoint could be redirected elsewhere, the server could go offline, etc).
The other major use case I see touted is "own your game objects and bring your objects to different games" but 1) why would a company spend resources supporting an object they did not sell you and 2) could this not be handled more simply on e.g. Steam? (yes, locked into a service, but that's just the way the industry is and I don't see why it's worth the time and effort for them to change that)
I do see how potentially a blockchain that stored actual data, e.g. some JSON, could be of more use. However, I struggle to find cases where just a regular database wouldn't be more practical. I guess it would be limited to cases where auditability and visibility of changes are topmost concerns, and where it's important that anyone can have a local backup copy at any time.
If you have some examples of where this technology could be one of the best solutions, I'd love to hear them. The blockchain does fascinate me but I feel like it's often a solution in search of a problem rather than the other way around.
Blockchains can absolutely store a jpeg. There's no data size or format limit on an entry.
They chose not to store it.
Oh, fascinating! I wonder if it's more concerns about the size of the blockchain itself then. I had assumed, clearly incorrectly, that it was a platform limitation itself. This makes the ways NFTs have been implemented even dumber. 🙃
It's just impractical and expensive to store more than a Textstring in a Blockchain, because everytime the Blockchain is updated with new data, you have to send a copy to all the other databases that share this Blockchain. This will get very resource heavy I'd you get 100000 10MB files each day and must keep them in sync with 200 other databases, who also received a similar amount of data from different users.
This makes the ways NFTs have been implemented even dumber. 🙃
... No. Think about it for more than a second before assuming it was done in a stupid way. If you have to update with an image each time it's updated you're going to run out of storage everywhere and overload networks.
I have an example but it's not necessarily the best and most practical solution, it's just one very good solution to a problem that not everyone experiences, so it's generally shot down as unnecessary.
In countries where buying a car or house involves an asynchronous exchange of money and keys or signing of documents, with all the trust issues involved, having an NFT represent ownership (which requires recognition and acceptance by the state) is a perfect use case, where you transfer ownership and receive payment in one atomic operation.
In countries
In countries... so you're already under the country's legal system, so there's no need for a blockchain. You can just use an ownership database maintained by the country. Blockchain offers nothing at all of value in that situation.
which requires recognition and acceptance by the state
Exactly why blockchain is pointless. Blockchain, if it has any value, is in that it is a distributed ledger that is not subject to any state's laws. That's great if you want to have a monetary system that no country can control, but of course that also means that no country can help you in a dispute over who owns something. In a cryptocurrency / blockchain world, there's no appealing to the state, but also no recognition or acceptance by the state.
Yep, I knew you would show up.
You have obviously never sold a car or a house in a country where you have to trust that the cash the buyer is giving you is not counterfeit, or if using a bank transfer, that they will actually make the transfer once you signed away your ownership. You're privileged to be able to trust your fellow american (I guess you're from the US) and your legal system.
You can just use an ownership database maintained by the country
The blockchain would be the ownership database maintained by the country. The key is the atomic exchange of money for ownership. In case you don't know what I mean by "atomic", I mean that the two operations cannot be done separately: either the ownership and the money are both transferred, or none are. Which solves the problem that you apparently don't have but many others less privileged do.
where you have to trust that the cash the buyer is giving you is not counterfeit
Blockchain doesn't solve that.
or if using a bank transfer, that they will actually make the transfer once you signed away your ownership
Blockchain doesn't solve that.
The blockchain would be the ownership database maintained by the country
Why would you use blockchain instead of just a database. Blockchain is an extremely expensive, inefficient "database" that only makes sense if you don't have a central authority you can trust to run the database. If you're relying on the country to run and own the database, blockchain offers nothing useful.
In case you don’t know what I mean by “atomic”, I mean that the two operations cannot be done separately
Yes, it's a very standard property that most databases have, along with consistency, isolation and durability. So-called ACID. Again, this isn't some magical "blockchain" thing, this is a basic database feature.
You truly made an effort to ignore everything I wrote. Well done, I guess.
You had nothing to say.
Smart contracts are the most obvious. There are a lot of applications. Like jungle said, it's a good fit for ESCROW-type asset exchanges, but also for recurring transactions like royalty payments or dividends.
Your gaming asset example is also a valuable use. While industry inertia is indeed a relevant factor, consider: why would a company spend resources creating an object if it's cheaper to support the framework for customers to supply their own? There's a break-even point where it's more profitable to outsource asset-creation and trim your staff. What's better is the nerds who care about that sorta thing spend a lot on games.
And there are certainly others, cases where transparency is a topmost concern. Gaming seems like a fantastic proving ground for the technology: customers expect excellence, it's a thriving and diverse market, but ultimately, a failure of the technology won't have serious consequences in the grand scheme. If it proves secure in that arena, it might be a useful technology to incorporate into more serious applications.
Regardless of what you think of NFTs, somebody needs to held accountable for this. It could happen at any show or production. Someone clearly chose the Aliexpress special over safety. This is one of those things where fundamental trust in public infrastructure engineering is destroyed.
Right? I don't know anything about Welder's Eye, but I know ultraviolet light is invisible to humans, so I'd imagine that most people present wouldn't notice anything wrong until hours later. Once you know this can happen, you just have to trust that all the places you go aren't putting your health at risk. Insane.
I knew this could happen. Result is that I don't go to events when I think the organizer is grossly incompetent.
Happens at nightclubs too
Once you know this can happen, you just have to trust that all the places you go aren’t putting your health at risk.
Libertarian Jesus will somehow figure out how to handle that.
Though I'd say that this is completely on brand. Goes and does something without understanding exactly what they are doing, causing damage to others who had even less of an idea of what's going on.
And a chance someone actually knew exactly what they were doing and did it to deliberately fuck over the attendees.
The funniest thing is the embedded tweet in the article that still has a stupid boredape avatar, has the “I simp for elon” blue checkmark, and the classic “[username].eth” username so you know they are really fun at parties while they try to grift their friends and family
Cryptobros are such a strange cult
No hate to the organizers they say after the organizers make them potentially blind with skin cancer.
However you feel about NFTs... this is horrifying for the people who were there. They've been in some cases blinded by this absurd level of incompetence.
They’ve been in some cases blinded by this absurd level of incompetence.
Just as they were to the stupidity of NFTs?
Zing. You made the joke.
The suffering of others brings me no joy, but it does sometimes bring me amusement.
If people who bought some pictures are renderd blind at a party about those pictures, that irony would be so perfect.
Imagine buying NFTs and then going blind.
But they didn't buy pictures... They bought receipts with URLs that direct to copies of pictures that they have no actionable rights on.
It's funny how many people think an nft is owning the image, but you don't even have that. You have a link to an image.
It's literally not even that. You don't own that link. There's a notice on a public board that has both the link "This is the property of [yourname]".
NFTs are like those late-night commercials for star naming "registries". They have their own Access database of non-legally-binding names that people have given to stars. You can pay to be on the list and get a paper certificate that no one gives a shit about.
By the way there are (estimates vary) thousands of stars in the observable universe for every grain on earth, just as there are essentially infinite NFTs.
That's not true. At least in the case of BAYC the terms of use even give you a commercial license: iii. Commercial Use. Subject to your continued compliance with these Terms, Yuga Labs LLC grants you an unlimited, worldwide license to use, copy, and display the purchased Art for the purpose of creating derivative works based upon the Art (“Commercial Use”).
How on earth do you accidentally buy medical grade lighting? Like it must have been really expensive and no one at any point that "why are these light bulbs so expensive". Also, why didn't the shipping company think it was weird that a hospitality venue they wanted hundreds and hundreds of medical decontamination lights?
And presumably electricians fitted them and their non-standard design didn't raise any eyebrows?
Literally everyone involved in this story is a massive idiot.
UV-c lights are actually much cheaper than UV black lights as they don't require the phosphor coating required to block the harmful frequencies. On top of that there was a flood of UV-c bulbs onto the market from the pandemic.
What really should have tipped them off that they are using bulbs is that UV-c bulbs emit a more blue color whereas black lights emit a purple color. Or the wierd smell emitting from the ozone coming off the bulbs.
Yep, UV-C LEDs are insanely cheap. I bought dozens on eBay a few years ago.
IKR? If anyone would have a good understanding of the value of things, it would be NFT buyers
Like it must have been really expensive and no one at any point that "why are these light bulbs so expensive".
We're talking about people who have absurd amounts of money. I know a rich guy and he doesn't even blink at spending $10k+ on some things. It's just inconsequential.
Presumably people who bought NFTs. If you're going to trick yourself into thinking your dumb, AI-generated piece of shitty "art" was a worthwhile investment, you might as well enjoy the perks of being in such an exclusive, stupid club.
They weren't even AI generated. Is there a AI generated at least they'd be unique from each other, there were a series of randomly lead images. It wasn't AI that made them, it was basically just a bunch of if statements.
AI generated NFTs would also be pointless because anyone could get them or something very similar by giving the same prompt to an AI but at least they'd have some merit, at least they would be interesting.
basically just a bunch of if statements
ah, totally different from LLMs then...
The marketing team called it AI, that means its different !!!
I mean, at a certain point, everything in computers comes down to getting stuff from memory and running a bunch of if statements on it.
Yeah procedurally generated would be the correct description.
But the end result is kinda the same, it's a lot of similar images generated with little effort.
The "AI" image generators aren't real AI, they're just called that....
the "I" in "AI" is not real intelligence either
Well theoretically AI may exist. We just don't have it yet. Current image generators and LLM are called that but they ain't it....
How are they not intelligent? You are able to put in arbitrary prompts and its able to return an image constructed to your specifications. Seems you are being pedantic
In my language the ability to abstract is part of the definition of intelligence and that's something no current "AI" can do. To be considered intelligent the program would have to be able to derive solutions for previously unknown problems from it's current knowledge only.
There's a distinction between intelligence and sentience.
The stuff impressing people right now only has a tiny short term memory and no way of really transferring that short term memory to long term memory, so it's definitely not something you can characterise as sentience.
It is definitely intelligence, though, since it can draw from a very large pretrained set of knowledge with deep relational connections.
The enjoyment of going to parties typically relies on the attendees of the party and how much you like or dislike them. This specific party is full of people who bought monkey JPEGs and turned them into their entire personality. So, presumably, I would not like this party.
It's not for you, that's ok.
It's not for anyone with a shred of sense. Lighting aside, anyone still being conned by the NFT image market is unfortunately probably willfully ignorant, impossibly stubborn, and unable to learn from their mistakes or the mistakes of others. There are plenty of working ways to tokenize images for an actual purpose, blockchain verification is worthless for individual images and literally always was.
The year is 2043, and Chumlee has been uploaded to the Metaverse.
"I remember those," Chumlee said, his voice echoing through the virtual space. "Let me run this by my valuation expert, the all-knowing singularity."
A moment later, Chumlee's eyes widened in surprise. "Fourteen trillion?" he repeated.
"That's what it says," the singularity replied.
Chumlee shook his head. "I can't believe it. I'll give you two."
maybe they're just having fun. People purchase status items all the time and no one has a problem with it. There is nothing fundamentally different between showing off your 100k monkey picture with showing off your 100k watch.
Take less than five minutes out of your day to compare the impact of a rolex watch with the impact of a blockchain interaction. It sounds like you don't understand how wildly different those two things are, either physically (one does not exist, the other does) or in an environmental context (one uses grid power with every verification, one is mechanical). "Buying status symbols for fun" would make a good album title for a boy band a decade ago.
I hate to say this but cricket is right. The item being physical or not do not matter for this kind of show off purshase. A Rolex or Birkin has pratically no construction cost, same as an nft (relative to their selling price).
And I don't understand the point about the environnement, are you saying nft are negative because of their environnemental impact while a Rolex is positive ?
If so you I'm sure you can find plenty of status symbol item that pollute more than nft..
Nft are still stupid and people at this party are probably insufferable tho.
Uninformed take. The lowball for construction cost on a 2,000 euro rolex is ~700 euro. You also don't understand the power draw of blockchain verification. You are 100% talking out of your ass.
You also don’t understand the power draw of blockchain verification
Sounds like you don't understand. The blockchain that these monkey pictures are on do not use proof of work mining anymore, so there is no "wasting energy" anymore in the form of GPU/ASIC mining.
So their contract addresses are down and they don't do the one thing that set them apart from a usual token? Crazy. Sounds like it's STILL worthless lmfao
A supercar cost a lot to construct but I'm pretty sure it's worse for the environnement than a single nft (and don't tell me it's useful, in most case it will stay rotting in a garage)..
A Birkin bag can cost 100.000+ which is league out of it's construction cost..
Heck, a signed baseball cost 5 bucks to make and can sell for 600.000.
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Not everything has more fake value and effect on the environnement, but you can find worse thing for each aspects. Not saying nft are good, nft are trash, but it's not a special kind of trash.
It's a gold brick scam, it's a special enough type of trash to have a name dude
Something physically existing or not is not what makes a status symbol. Are you implying something about energy consumption of blockchains? The network these are on (ethereum) no longer uses PoW mining, so the energy argument does not work here.
Something physically existing or not is not what makes a status symbol.
It quite literally is lmao
Not at all. Membership to a country club can be a status symbol, as an example.
Membership to a country club grants you... physical access to a country club.
I dislike NFTs as much as the next person but this is messed up. Even worse that it isn't the first time. And how the heck did they get their hands on germicidal UV lamps without being aware of the difference, and the safety concerns?
Well their corneas are now free of germs
Happens more often than you think at tanning salons etc
This happens at nightclubs too. Why I always look away from blue/purple lights.
Aren't germicidal lamps specifically UV-C waves or something? How cheap do you have to be to buy these lamps instead of safer lights. Or even use the cheap lights but install the proper light filters on them, they're just thin tinted plastic sheets.
You guys know that bug when lemmy throws a 2 year old post into your feed? That's what I thought happened when I saw this post. Huh.
For anyone confused by the low-hanging-fruit NFT comments that don’t actually talk about what actually happened: The event was in Hong Kong and
here’s my speculative opinion about what the likely cause of the burns was:
UV disinfectant lights, accidentally used by ignorant, budget-conscious event lighting staff.
I like that you came to set the record straight, then just guessed. Confidence is sexy.
The article also came to no conclusion, though they did point to an event that also happened in 2017 where this happened and the culprit was… what I “guessed”. I’m sexy and I know it. 😜
Far more likely they just used ordinary stage lights where "huh, if I set channel 4 to full intensity I get a pretty purple, lets use that one". The manual probably included a safety warning with specs like "21.7 mW/cm² at 5cm and 8.9 mW/cm² at 25cm distance"... but who reads the manual? And even if they did would they know what those numbers mean?
What it means is a "safe" exposure time of about 11 seconds (per day)... and that's if you only have one of them. They might've had 20. And by the way I took that number from real equipment you can buy for events like this one. Professional operators would be very careful using them.
Pro tip from someone who works in the industry: if you see the white or fluorescent colours glow really bright... get the fuck out of the room unless you have absolute faith in the OH&S chops of the venue and lighting operator.
I've never encountered lights that don't have UV filters in them.
There's no way to control the UV filter via DMX/Artnet/sACN. It's a fixed dichroic filter in front of the discharge lamp. It's an extremely cheap filter, as well, so I doubt it would be excluded from cheapo knock-off brand lights.
Certainly on any light available in the US and EU. It just won't get certified for sale.
Besides which, I haven't used a discharge lamp in years. It's all LED now, even the cheap stuff.
There is no way "set channel 4 to full" would disable any safety features in a moving light that would allow it to output damaging UV light. And the only other way it would hurt someone is if it was focussed on them, and they actively stared into it. Like, staring at the sun kind of level of staring at a light.
So, get rid of that "ordinary stage lights" pish.
This is absolutely a case of "we should get UV lights". And instead of getting safe UV cannons for fun florescent paints, they got UV disinfectant lights. Probably still makes florescent paints glow, but it's the wider band UV stuff designed to kill biological cells (ie disinfect). Which is exactly what it did to people's skin and retina.
I work in the film industry side of lighting and we use HMI’s all the time (sometimes without the UV protective glass if the gaffer is a cowboy…). I’ve never really run into this with theatrical/event lights when we do use them…but then again you seem to know about situations like this.
There are so many old gaffers who have cataracts now because of all of those years looking directly into the hot spot of a carbon arc.
You're probably correctly blaming the board while I think it was Aliexpress lights with actual UV emitters.
UV disinfectant lights were likely used by ignorant, frugal event lighting staff.
That's some really low tier event planning. That would be like if you went paintballing and the owner included a few live hand grenades amongst the paint ones. It's almost impressive how badly they fucked up.
Atleast the onion writers get a break from writing headlines. Job is done for em already.
It's more like using some "long distance extra penetrating paintballs" instead of the usual bursting paintballs.
It's most likely "let's get UV lights for fluorescent paints and stuff".
Except getting disinfecting UV lights (probably popularised due to COVID) instead of safe UV Cannons.
This isn't even the first time this has happened. bigclive talked about how event organizers at a fashion show setup disinfectant lights for the pretty purple light. One of the attendees figured out what happened quickly the next morning and rushed to the venue to take pictures before the lights were thrown out.
New DRM tech prevents safe viewing without express written consent from the owner.
I have a feeling the internet is going really enjoy sharing the "Crypto fans have eyes burned by NFTs" headlines. It's a perfect storm of schadenfreude
It is perfect. I feel bad for these idiots, but not quite bad enough to manage not to laugh at them.
"'I woke up at 04:00 and couldn’t see anymore,' said @CryptoJune777."
The guy with the red cap ape profile picture casually asking if anyone else ended up in the ER.
crypto_birb thanking for "great apefest logistics", while encouraging his peers to seek medical attention ASAP.
Comedy gold.
I usually consider "great logistics" and causing a medical emergency to be mutually exclusive.
Web 3 is Going Just Great had a fun take on this. They showed one of the monkey images with laser eyes and said "All this time I thought the lasers were going in the other direction".
schadenfreude
Damn I just learned this word today from the latest Tom Scott video. Baader-Meinhof phenomenon in action.
...with one person reporting that they had been diagnosed with Photokeratitis
My insomnia-addled brain first read this as "Telekinesis" for a second.
It's OK, I initially read the headline as attendees got their faces burned by the event's lightning. My remaining two brain cells massively overclocked themselves trying to sort that one out.
Wait, is that not what the headline says?
Edit: ah, you wrote "lightning."
LOL, I was thinking I should have bolded the first "n" in lightning but was too lazy.
Same here!
Not to be confused with photokinesis which gives you the power to turn on all lights within your area of effect.
Useful for when people are driving around at night without their headlights on.
The fall of the house of Usher vibe
Talk about blinding yourself with greed.
Libertarians gonna libertarian.
Bigclive made a video about UV after a similar event i China:
Of all the industries to profit from bored ape NFTs, I was not expecting white cane manufacturing to be one of them.
Did Mike Flanagan write this episode?
Hard to feel too much sympathy for anyone involved with NFT bullshit.
It's hard to not laugh while reading this article, and it's also hard to feel bad for the victims if you ask me.
Were they too drugged out to realize their eyes and skin were literally burning?
You don't really immediately feel UV burning you, it's the next day that sucks.
Maybe i'm just thinking of sun burns. You feel pain long before any actual damage occurs
If you start to feel pain it's because your cells has been damaged and release immune stimulating substances which also irritate the nerves
The damage is also there from sunburns. You can stop before it hurts, only to later find it reddenned the next day and such. Same thing with welding with insufficient protection - ie. no long sleeves. You can weld and find out a few hours later that you should've brought a long sleeve after all. Once it hurts when you are doing something, then it's a really bad case.
But you feel the "reddening" as a heat on your body. Just put your hand on a sunburn, you'll be able to tell you have burned long before you can even see it.
Even before it hurts, you can feel your skin getting itchy and dried out. But, if you're indoors and not expecting to be burned, you might not notice, or might not realize what you're feeling is from the disinfectant UV lights being misused as fun paint-glowy UV lights.
"All 5 attendees were treated on scene. Paramedics were originally very concerned about brain damage but were relieved when they saw the name of the event. 'Can't fry an egg that's not there,' stated one."
idiots
This was referring to a different event at a different venue. While it seems likely that they made the same mistake, it's best we wait for more info before jumping to conclusions.
Good news everyone! You have been permanently disinfected!
You'll never see another germ!
Read the full paragraph:
Jesus Christ.
Anyway, I'm... Actually somewhat impressed they're still having Monkey PNG meetups. I kind of assumed every NFT was a scam but this one is just a very expensive buy-in to a cryptonerd club, I guess.
I also kinda figured the people who are into the Monkey PNGs aren’t exactly the ones who go to meetups
I think it's more that they tend not to get invited to non-monkey PNG meetups. Possibly in part due to their habit of turning any meetup into a monkey PNG one.
Have to go out there and put in the work to proselytize their Lord and Savior Blockchain.
Blockchain and NFT are not synonymous. All Camrys are cars but not all cars are Camrys.
Eh, the relationship isn't quite the same as that one.
It's more like the relationship between a video game framework and a video game. Pygame, Unity, or Godot are not games you can play; they're tools for programmers to build games with.
Similarly, blockchain is a technology for implementing scams; NFTs are one specific scam.
By that logic the US dollar is a means for facilitating crime. It's certainly used for that, a lot, but that isn't what it is for. A blockchain is for keeping an immutable and verifiable record by way of cryptography. That there are a lot of scams doesn't change what it is.
See, the difference is that dollars have legitimate uses.
As does Blockchain, which is widely used for such purposes already.
Not really, unless you think ransomware is a legitimate use.
Nope, you can go and check common usage of blockchain tech, plenty of legit uses, especially in banking.
Like what?
As I said, in banking, often to confirm that transactions are real.
https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2022/01/28/blockchain-in-the-banking-sector-a-review-of-the-landscape-and-opportunities/
Yeah, you're hating for the sake of hating with no clue why. I'm just going to go ahead and block you, kthxbye.
It's not for the sake of hating, it's because blockchain / cryptocurrency / NFTs / etc. are problems in search of a legitimate solution. So far all they've found is massive energy wasting and ransomware.
You are conflating the ideas for some weird reason. It's like blanket arguing against the internet because things happen on it which are illegal.
I'm not sure what you mean. Are you not aware that NFTs are built on top of blockchain tech?
Yes, and? There are other usages as I've said.
No. Blockchain is a technology where you generate a hash of an event that happened - e.g. garage door opened at 7:00am, and then you hash another event - garage door closed at 7:02am, continue doing that for years, hundreds of thousands of garage door movements, and just by looking at the last hash in the event chain, you can verify, in less than a millisecond, that two copies of the blockchain are identical (e.g. the working data set and a backup copy of it).
It's just a simple and efficient data integrity checker and it's shit for scams - because there's no way to hide your tracks when the feds investigate you... as Sam Bankman-Fried just learned.
Pretty soon the scammers will realise they're better off with cash and paper books which can easily be doctored (or simply misplaced - "sorry your honor, we can't find records for July 2021 anywhere!").
Yep. It's hard to feel sorry for anyone who got grifted, who knew that buying the equivalent of a graffiti'd up CVS receipt would turn out to be worthless.
Bullshit and horseshit are different, but they're both shit.
It's all the same to the cryptobros
Sure they are, they're just always nervous Chris Hansen is going to be there already.
This one hasn't yet proven that it isn't, just that the people who bought in had a lot of disposable income to begin with.
Sunken cost fallacy at this point. They have to keep believing it's a thing otherwise they have to face the reality that they were duped.
Or the opposite, they know it's dropping like a stone so they try to keep it relevant for potential buyers to offload it to?
Sunk cost, I guess. A lot of people in the crypto industry are still here because they don't want to admit that they were wrong about it.
NFTs have a number of interesting legitimate use cases. Jpeg pump-and-dumps are, however, not one of them.
The thing about the jpg ones is that the jpgs can't be stored in the blockchain, so what is actually stored is a URL to some server (and that URL endpoint could be redirected elsewhere, the server could go offline, etc).
The other major use case I see touted is "own your game objects and bring your objects to different games" but 1) why would a company spend resources supporting an object they did not sell you and 2) could this not be handled more simply on e.g. Steam? (yes, locked into a service, but that's just the way the industry is and I don't see why it's worth the time and effort for them to change that)
I do see how potentially a blockchain that stored actual data, e.g. some JSON, could be of more use. However, I struggle to find cases where just a regular database wouldn't be more practical. I guess it would be limited to cases where auditability and visibility of changes are topmost concerns, and where it's important that anyone can have a local backup copy at any time.
If you have some examples of where this technology could be one of the best solutions, I'd love to hear them. The blockchain does fascinate me but I feel like it's often a solution in search of a problem rather than the other way around.
Blockchains can absolutely store a jpeg. There's no data size or format limit on an entry.
They chose not to store it.
Oh, fascinating! I wonder if it's more concerns about the size of the blockchain itself then. I had assumed, clearly incorrectly, that it was a platform limitation itself. This makes the ways NFTs have been implemented even dumber. 🙃
It's just impractical and expensive to store more than a Textstring in a Blockchain, because everytime the Blockchain is updated with new data, you have to send a copy to all the other databases that share this Blockchain. This will get very resource heavy I'd you get 100000 10MB files each day and must keep them in sync with 200 other databases, who also received a similar amount of data from different users.
... No. Think about it for more than a second before assuming it was done in a stupid way. If you have to update with an image each time it's updated you're going to run out of storage everywhere and overload networks.
I have an example but it's not necessarily the best and most practical solution, it's just one very good solution to a problem that not everyone experiences, so it's generally shot down as unnecessary.
In countries where buying a car or house involves an asynchronous exchange of money and keys or signing of documents, with all the trust issues involved, having an NFT represent ownership (which requires recognition and acceptance by the state) is a perfect use case, where you transfer ownership and receive payment in one atomic operation.
In countries... so you're already under the country's legal system, so there's no need for a blockchain. You can just use an ownership database maintained by the country. Blockchain offers nothing at all of value in that situation.
Exactly why blockchain is pointless. Blockchain, if it has any value, is in that it is a distributed ledger that is not subject to any state's laws. That's great if you want to have a monetary system that no country can control, but of course that also means that no country can help you in a dispute over who owns something. In a cryptocurrency / blockchain world, there's no appealing to the state, but also no recognition or acceptance by the state.
Yep, I knew you would show up.
You have obviously never sold a car or a house in a country where you have to trust that the cash the buyer is giving you is not counterfeit, or if using a bank transfer, that they will actually make the transfer once you signed away your ownership. You're privileged to be able to trust your fellow american (I guess you're from the US) and your legal system.
The blockchain would be the ownership database maintained by the country. The key is the atomic exchange of money for ownership. In case you don't know what I mean by "atomic", I mean that the two operations cannot be done separately: either the ownership and the money are both transferred, or none are. Which solves the problem that you apparently don't have but many others less privileged do.
Blockchain doesn't solve that.
Blockchain doesn't solve that.
Why would you use blockchain instead of just a database. Blockchain is an extremely expensive, inefficient "database" that only makes sense if you don't have a central authority you can trust to run the database. If you're relying on the country to run and own the database, blockchain offers nothing useful.
Yes, it's a very standard property that most databases have, along with consistency, isolation and durability. So-called ACID. Again, this isn't some magical "blockchain" thing, this is a basic database feature.
You truly made an effort to ignore everything I wrote. Well done, I guess.
You had nothing to say.
Smart contracts are the most obvious. There are a lot of applications. Like jungle said, it's a good fit for ESCROW-type asset exchanges, but also for recurring transactions like royalty payments or dividends.
Your gaming asset example is also a valuable use. While industry inertia is indeed a relevant factor, consider: why would a company spend resources creating an object if it's cheaper to support the framework for customers to supply their own? There's a break-even point where it's more profitable to outsource asset-creation and trim your staff. What's better is the nerds who care about that sorta thing spend a lot on games.
And there are certainly others, cases where transparency is a topmost concern. Gaming seems like a fantastic proving ground for the technology: customers expect excellence, it's a thriving and diverse market, but ultimately, a failure of the technology won't have serious consequences in the grand scheme. If it proves secure in that arena, it might be a useful technology to incorporate into more serious applications.
Regardless of what you think of NFTs, somebody needs to held accountable for this. It could happen at any show or production. Someone clearly chose the Aliexpress special over safety. This is one of those things where fundamental trust in public infrastructure engineering is destroyed.
Right? I don't know anything about Welder's Eye, but I know ultraviolet light is invisible to humans, so I'd imagine that most people present wouldn't notice anything wrong until hours later. Once you know this can happen, you just have to trust that all the places you go aren't putting your health at risk. Insane.
I knew this could happen. Result is that I don't go to events when I think the organizer is grossly incompetent.
Happens at nightclubs too
Libertarian Jesus will somehow figure out how to handle that.
Though I'd say that this is completely on brand. Goes and does something without understanding exactly what they are doing, causing damage to others who had even less of an idea of what's going on.
And a chance someone actually knew exactly what they were doing and did it to deliberately fuck over the attendees.
The funniest thing is the embedded tweet in the article that still has a stupid boredape avatar, has the “I simp for elon” blue checkmark, and the classic “[username].eth” username so you know they are really fun at parties while they try to grift their friends and family
Cryptobros are such a strange cult
No hate to the organizers they say after the organizers make them potentially blind with skin cancer.
However you feel about NFTs... this is horrifying for the people who were there. They've been in some cases blinded by this absurd level of incompetence.
Just as they were to the stupidity of NFTs?
Zing. You made the joke.
The suffering of others brings me no joy, but it does sometimes bring me amusement.
If people who bought some pictures are renderd blind at a party about those pictures, that irony would be so perfect.
Imagine buying NFTs and then going blind.
But they didn't buy pictures... They bought receipts with URLs that direct to copies of pictures that they have no actionable rights on.
It's funny how many people think an nft is owning the image, but you don't even have that. You have a link to an image.
It's literally not even that. You don't own that link. There's a notice on a public board that has both the link "This is the property of [yourname]".
NFTs are like those late-night commercials for star naming "registries". They have their own Access database of non-legally-binding names that people have given to stars. You can pay to be on the list and get a paper certificate that no one gives a shit about.
By the way there are (estimates vary) thousands of stars in the observable universe for every grain on earth, just as there are essentially infinite NFTs.
That's not true. At least in the case of BAYC the terms of use even give you a commercial license: iii. Commercial Use. Subject to your continued compliance with these Terms, Yuga Labs LLC grants you an unlimited, worldwide license to use, copy, and display the purchased Art for the purpose of creating derivative works based upon the Art (“Commercial Use”).
How on earth do you accidentally buy medical grade lighting? Like it must have been really expensive and no one at any point that "why are these light bulbs so expensive". Also, why didn't the shipping company think it was weird that a hospitality venue they wanted hundreds and hundreds of medical decontamination lights?
And presumably electricians fitted them and their non-standard design didn't raise any eyebrows?
Literally everyone involved in this story is a massive idiot.
UV-c lights are actually much cheaper than UV black lights as they don't require the phosphor coating required to block the harmful frequencies. On top of that there was a flood of UV-c bulbs onto the market from the pandemic.
What really should have tipped them off that they are using bulbs is that UV-c bulbs emit a more blue color whereas black lights emit a purple color. Or the wierd smell emitting from the ozone coming off the bulbs.
Yep, UV-C LEDs are insanely cheap. I bought dozens on eBay a few years ago.
IKR? If anyone would have a good understanding of the value of things, it would be NFT buyers
We're talking about people who have absurd amounts of money. I know a rich guy and he doesn't even blink at spending $10k+ on some things. It's just inconsequential.
"Says on the box 'may cause skin to peel', these should be good."
Who would go to this?
Presumably people who bought NFTs. If you're going to trick yourself into thinking your dumb, AI-generated piece of shitty "art" was a worthwhile investment, you might as well enjoy the perks of being in such an exclusive, stupid club.
They weren't even AI generated. Is there a AI generated at least they'd be unique from each other, there were a series of randomly lead images. It wasn't AI that made them, it was basically just a bunch of if statements.
AI generated NFTs would also be pointless because anyone could get them or something very similar by giving the same prompt to an AI but at least they'd have some merit, at least they would be interesting.
ah, totally different from LLMs then...
The marketing team called it AI, that means its different !!!
I mean, at a certain point, everything in computers comes down to getting stuff from memory and running a bunch of if statements on it.
Yeah procedurally generated would be the correct description.
But the end result is kinda the same, it's a lot of similar images generated with little effort.
The "AI" image generators aren't real AI, they're just called that....
the "I" in "AI" is not real intelligence either
Well theoretically AI may exist. We just don't have it yet. Current image generators and LLM are called that but they ain't it....
How are they not intelligent? You are able to put in arbitrary prompts and its able to return an image constructed to your specifications. Seems you are being pedantic
In my language the ability to abstract is part of the definition of intelligence and that's something no current "AI" can do. To be considered intelligent the program would have to be able to derive solutions for previously unknown problems from it's current knowledge only.
There's a distinction between intelligence and sentience.
The stuff impressing people right now only has a tiny short term memory and no way of really transferring that short term memory to long term memory, so it's definitely not something you can characterise as sentience.
It is definitely intelligence, though, since it can draw from a very large pretrained set of knowledge with deep relational connections.
an AI*
it's just a party lol who doesn't like parties
The enjoyment of going to parties typically relies on the attendees of the party and how much you like or dislike them. This specific party is full of people who bought monkey JPEGs and turned them into their entire personality. So, presumably, I would not like this party.
It's not for you, that's ok.
It's not for anyone with a shred of sense. Lighting aside, anyone still being conned by the NFT image market is unfortunately probably willfully ignorant, impossibly stubborn, and unable to learn from their mistakes or the mistakes of others. There are plenty of working ways to tokenize images for an actual purpose, blockchain verification is worthless for individual images and literally always was.
The year is 2043, and Chumlee has been uploaded to the Metaverse.
"I remember those," Chumlee said, his voice echoing through the virtual space. "Let me run this by my valuation expert, the all-knowing singularity."
A moment later, Chumlee's eyes widened in surprise. "Fourteen trillion?" he repeated.
"That's what it says," the singularity replied.
Chumlee shook his head. "I can't believe it. I'll give you two."
maybe they're just having fun. People purchase status items all the time and no one has a problem with it. There is nothing fundamentally different between showing off your 100k monkey picture with showing off your 100k watch.
Take less than five minutes out of your day to compare the impact of a rolex watch with the impact of a blockchain interaction. It sounds like you don't understand how wildly different those two things are, either physically (one does not exist, the other does) or in an environmental context (one uses grid power with every verification, one is mechanical). "Buying status symbols for fun" would make a good album title for a boy band a decade ago.
I hate to say this but cricket is right. The item being physical or not do not matter for this kind of show off purshase. A Rolex or Birkin has pratically no construction cost, same as an nft (relative to their selling price).
And I don't understand the point about the environnement, are you saying nft are negative because of their environnemental impact while a Rolex is positive ? If so you I'm sure you can find plenty of status symbol item that pollute more than nft..
Nft are still stupid and people at this party are probably insufferable tho.
Uninformed take. The lowball for construction cost on a 2,000 euro rolex is ~700 euro. You also don't understand the power draw of blockchain verification. You are 100% talking out of your ass.
Sounds like you don't understand. The blockchain that these monkey pictures are on do not use proof of work mining anymore, so there is no "wasting energy" anymore in the form of GPU/ASIC mining.
So their contract addresses are down and they don't do the one thing that set them apart from a usual token? Crazy. Sounds like it's STILL worthless lmfao
A supercar cost a lot to construct but I'm pretty sure it's worse for the environnement than a single nft (and don't tell me it's useful, in most case it will stay rotting in a garage)..
A Birkin bag can cost 100.000+ which is league out of it's construction cost.. Heck, a signed baseball cost 5 bucks to make and can sell for 600.000.
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Not everything has more fake value and effect on the environnement, but you can find worse thing for each aspects. Not saying nft are good, nft are trash, but it's not a special kind of trash.
It's a gold brick scam, it's a special enough type of trash to have a name dude
Something physically existing or not is not what makes a status symbol. Are you implying something about energy consumption of blockchains? The network these are on (ethereum) no longer uses PoW mining, so the energy argument does not work here.
It quite literally is lmao
Not at all. Membership to a country club can be a status symbol, as an example.
Membership to a country club grants you... physical access to a country club.
The incurably stupid and grifters.
I dislike NFTs as much as the next person but this is messed up. Even worse that it isn't the first time. And how the heck did they get their hands on germicidal UV lamps without being aware of the difference, and the safety concerns?
Well their corneas are now free of germs
Happens more often than you think at tanning salons etc
This happens at nightclubs too. Why I always look away from blue/purple lights.
Aren't germicidal lamps specifically UV-C waves or something? How cheap do you have to be to buy these lamps instead of safer lights. Or even use the cheap lights but install the proper light filters on them, they're just thin tinted plastic sheets.
You guys know that bug when lemmy throws a 2 year old post into your feed? That's what I thought happened when I saw this post. Huh.
For anyone confused by the low-hanging-fruit NFT comments that don’t actually talk about what actually happened: The event was in Hong Kong and
here’s my speculative opinion about what the likely cause of the burns was:
UV disinfectant lights, accidentally used by ignorant, budget-conscious event lighting staff.
I like that you came to set the record straight, then just guessed. Confidence is sexy.
The article also came to no conclusion, though they did point to an event that also happened in 2017 where this happened and the culprit was… what I “guessed”. I’m sexy and I know it. 😜
Far more likely they just used ordinary stage lights where "huh, if I set channel 4 to full intensity I get a pretty purple, lets use that one". The manual probably included a safety warning with specs like "21.7 mW/cm² at 5cm and 8.9 mW/cm² at 25cm distance"... but who reads the manual? And even if they did would they know what those numbers mean?
What it means is a "safe" exposure time of about 11 seconds (per day)... and that's if you only have one of them. They might've had 20. And by the way I took that number from real equipment you can buy for events like this one. Professional operators would be very careful using them.
Pro tip from someone who works in the industry: if you see the white or fluorescent colours glow really bright... get the fuck out of the room unless you have absolute faith in the OH&S chops of the venue and lighting operator.
I've never encountered lights that don't have UV filters in them.
There's no way to control the UV filter via DMX/Artnet/sACN. It's a fixed dichroic filter in front of the discharge lamp. It's an extremely cheap filter, as well, so I doubt it would be excluded from cheapo knock-off brand lights.
Certainly on any light available in the US and EU. It just won't get certified for sale.
Besides which, I haven't used a discharge lamp in years. It's all LED now, even the cheap stuff.
There is no way "set channel 4 to full" would disable any safety features in a moving light that would allow it to output damaging UV light. And the only other way it would hurt someone is if it was focussed on them, and they actively stared into it. Like, staring at the sun kind of level of staring at a light.
So, get rid of that "ordinary stage lights" pish.
This is absolutely a case of "we should get UV lights". And instead of getting safe UV cannons for fun florescent paints, they got UV disinfectant lights. Probably still makes florescent paints glow, but it's the wider band UV stuff designed to kill biological cells (ie disinfect). Which is exactly what it did to people's skin and retina.
No, some event organizers will absolutely use disinfection lights because they're pretty. I found the bigclive video where he talks about that happening at a Hong Kong fashion show.
Oh, and now bigclive has a video this incident.
Nice. Thanks for the insight.
I work in the film industry side of lighting and we use HMI’s all the time (sometimes without the UV protective glass if the gaffer is a cowboy…). I’ve never really run into this with theatrical/event lights when we do use them…but then again you seem to know about situations like this.
There are so many old gaffers who have cataracts now because of all of those years looking directly into the hot spot of a carbon arc.
You're probably correctly blaming the board while I think it was Aliexpress lights with actual UV emitters.
That's some really low tier event planning. That would be like if you went paintballing and the owner included a few live hand grenades amongst the paint ones. It's almost impressive how badly they fucked up.
Atleast the onion writers get a break from writing headlines. Job is done for em already.
It's more like using some "long distance extra penetrating paintballs" instead of the usual bursting paintballs.
It's most likely "let's get UV lights for fluorescent paints and stuff".
Except getting disinfecting UV lights (probably popularised due to COVID) instead of safe UV Cannons.
This isn't even the first time this has happened. bigclive talked about how event organizers at a fashion show setup disinfectant lights for the pretty purple light. One of the attendees figured out what happened quickly the next morning and rushed to the venue to take pictures before the lights were thrown out.
New DRM tech prevents safe viewing without express written consent from the owner.
I have a feeling the internet is going really enjoy sharing the "Crypto fans have eyes burned by NFTs" headlines. It's a perfect storm of schadenfreude
It is perfect. I feel bad for these idiots, but not quite bad enough to manage not to laugh at them.
"'I woke up at 04:00 and couldn’t see anymore,' said @CryptoJune777."
The guy with the red cap ape profile picture casually asking if anyone else ended up in the ER.
crypto_birb thanking for "great apefest logistics", while encouraging his peers to seek medical attention ASAP.
Comedy gold.
I usually consider "great logistics" and causing a medical emergency to be mutually exclusive.
Web 3 is Going Just Great had a fun take on this. They showed one of the monkey images with laser eyes and said "All this time I thought the lasers were going in the other direction".
Damn I just learned this word today from the latest Tom Scott video. Baader-Meinhof phenomenon in action.
Please move this to nottheonion.
That's why the lord made crossposting
rip bozo
My insomnia-addled brain first read this as "Telekinesis" for a second.
It's OK, I initially read the headline as attendees got their faces burned by the event's lightning. My remaining two brain cells massively overclocked themselves trying to sort that one out.
Wait, is that not what the headline says?
Edit: ah, you wrote "lightning."
LOL, I was thinking I should have bolded the first "n" in lightning but was too lazy.
Same here!
Not to be confused with photokinesis which gives you the power to turn on all lights within your area of effect.
Useful for when people are driving around at night without their headlights on.
The fall of the house of Usher vibe
Talk about blinding yourself with greed.
Libertarians gonna libertarian.
Bigclive made a video about UV after a similar event i China:
https://youtu.be/CpRMud6EFtE
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Of all the industries to profit from bored ape NFTs, I was not expecting white cane manufacturing to be one of them.
Did Mike Flanagan write this episode?
Hard to feel too much sympathy for anyone involved with NFT bullshit.
It's hard to not laugh while reading this article, and it's also hard to feel bad for the victims if you ask me.
Were they too drugged out to realize their eyes and skin were literally burning?
You don't really immediately feel UV burning you, it's the next day that sucks.
Maybe i'm just thinking of sun burns. You feel pain long before any actual damage occurs
If you start to feel pain it's because your cells has been damaged and release immune stimulating substances which also irritate the nerves
The damage is also there from sunburns. You can stop before it hurts, only to later find it reddenned the next day and such. Same thing with welding with insufficient protection - ie. no long sleeves. You can weld and find out a few hours later that you should've brought a long sleeve after all. Once it hurts when you are doing something, then it's a really bad case.
But you feel the "reddening" as a heat on your body. Just put your hand on a sunburn, you'll be able to tell you have burned long before you can even see it.
Even before it hurts, you can feel your skin getting itchy and dried out. But, if you're indoors and not expecting to be burned, you might not notice, or might not realize what you're feeling is from the disinfectant UV lights being misused as fun paint-glowy UV lights.
It's like a sunburn. You don't feel it until it's too late.
I don't think thats true. I can feel the pain long before it gets to the point of an actual sunburn.
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Considering they Nazi past, I wouldn't be surprised if it was intentional