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So, Instagram has started pushing threads into users’ feed, and every now and then we get a glimpse into the unmoderated crapshoot that is that app…

L.E.: should be noted I do not have a threads account, have never even downloaded the app, this is sorta like “advertising” to try to convince you to move to their platform.

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I’m honestly surprised and shocked that Nazism is rising up again. It is a scary idea that, that ideology is growing bit by bit.

Have people not learnt about and from the past?

I think it’s quite likely they’ve learned too well about the past. If recent history (and internet-documented behavior patterns) are to be analyzed, I think it shows that people yearn for power and control over others: just look at all the karens, the reddit mods (you know which kind), the trolls, supporters of certain parties and so on.

I guess they imagine that extremist regimes will provide them with that power, without taking a moment to think “oh, wait, the chances that I’ll be the one oppressing and not the one oppressed are miniscule” (and that’s setting all other moral things aside).

It’s a scary thought, like you said.

I think part of that stems from a lack of control over their own lives. They feel powerless in their own situation in life, and an easy excuse fed to them to satisfy that lack of control is by stomping on somebody else. "It's not our fault that your life sucks, it's obviously insert minority here who's to blame!"

I guess they imagine that extremist regimes will provide them with that power, without taking a moment to think “oh, wait, the chances that I’ll be the one oppressing and not the one oppressed are miniscule” (and that’s setting all other moral things aside).

I'm pretty sure the ones oppressing and the regimes always have something in common (race most often, then wealth). Even if there is a slight chances the regime might turn against them, the minority and the rest will be the first to bear the brunt of the force which will be cheered on. And by the time the regime turns on them (unlikely), most will have had enough of a clue to prepare or escape.

I think it shows that people yearn for power and control over others just look at all the karens, the reddit mods (you know which kind), the trolls, supporters of certain parties and so on.

I think that's way too generalized. "The internet" paints a very distorted picture picture. First, the absolut vast majority of people online are lurkers, so you don't see what they think or do at all. "Nuanced takes" barely exist because people just blast whatever is on their mind right now into the void that is then interpreted by millions of differently biased people.

The mods, trolls, etc. are the fringe of the fringe, often the types of people who have no real life, who cannot really fit into society and who have to find other ways to get attention/validation.

Mods aren't some kind of villanous power hungry monsters, they are socially untalented nerds who want to do something that feels important, but who often feel unthanked, underappreciated and feel as if everything they do is wrong no matter what they do and who have to deal with the worst of the worst on the internet constantly. And then they are expected to have a discussion about every second decision they make because somebody feels that their comment was not interpreted the way it was intended and cries censurship if the discussion is blocked.

Given that it is somehow expected that moderation often happens without compensation (even though it is essential to a community), I'm suprised it even works as well as it does. If people in general were as powerhungry as you seem to make it out to be, people would kill for the chance to become a mod. In reality, the absolute vast majority of people doesn't even think about it, which means the job is left those who probably having human interactions in the first place.

I guess they imagine that extremist regimes will provide them with that power

Most don't think too much about that stuff (or anything really) in the first place. Many "right wingers" aren't like the disturbed "true believers" you see at rallys or stuff like that, for many it's just the community aspect they crave and the rest is no mostly larping.

I think it shows that people yearn for power and control over others:

People don't do that as such. They search for power as a result of being under power. In a sense complaining about Nazism is like complaining that some people, when trying to get rid of their shackles, flail violently instead of using a lockpick: It's a symptom of a symptom, by no means core nature.

The United States was the primary source of inspiration for the German Nazis. Even as the fascist Nazi party was rising up in Germany. They were mimicking fascists in the United States. The German beer hall putch was not an isolated or unique event. The fascists here in the United States had the business plot. Which FDR almost completely dropped the ball on in exchange for short-term gains. Letting these seditious fascist escape with their lives to regroup and continue plotting. Long ago having clawed back most of the short-term gains FDR got.

Within barely a generation they were running bigoted racists like Nixon and winning. Soon followed by the rather open protofascist Reagan. Whose vice president was former head spook at the CIA. The same CIA that had spent much of the early 20th century overthrowing democracies and destabilizing the rest of the world. He also happened to be the son of the man that was most likely to have been their intended leader to install as fascist dictator. Who's coke adult son a little over a decade later followed in his father's footsteps.

Fascists in the US at least have never had consequences to learn from. They've barely had to setbacks. They just slow boiled it here. But we still arrived at poisoning the blood of our country and blood and soil. Eventually. January 6th was not even the first Republican coup plot that we know about.

And there are plenty in the UK and Europe that learned the wrong lessons from world war II as well.

Long ago, I saw a documentary series about dictators, and it had some interesting things to say about the source of inspiration Hitler had. You see, Benito Mussolini transformed Italy and wrote the book on how to build a fascist country. Hitler took those ideas and started applying them on a larger scale.

Always weird how excited people are to shoehorn blaming the US imo

Yes, how dare we acknowledge our own faults. Always weird how desperately people are to hand wave away our own guilt. Like we never turned away shiploads of fleeing Jews. And American companies didn't help logistically to teach Jews on the way to the gas chamber. Or worse.

It's just interesting to me how radicalized the Internet is nowadays. Any excuse to bring up a way to shit on the US is jumped at. Especially on Lemmy. I'm starting to wondering if that's the point of Lemmy as well.

It's not like the small communities here are surviving.

Acknowledging well documented history is being radical? That's a hot take.

Look the fact that you cannot counterpoint or rebuff any of the claims that I made. Instead choosing to whine ineffectually like a petulant child. That's on you. Educate yourself or stop disagreeing with reality. Those are your only two real options if you don't want to be seen as childish and ignorant.

Communities here are surviving just fine. I'm fine with smaller more intelligent communities. If you need the noise and baseless blather of fashiverse. We aren't holding you hostage. You are welcome to stay here. But you're going to have a bad time as long as you try to deny or deflect on history. It's the same thing I say to the stalinists, the maoists, and the other Bolshevik boys.

It's kind of a cycle with capitalism. There's no real way to control it other than to get rid of capitalism altogether.

yes! historically, the only way we have ever defeated fascism so far was with socialism.

i hate that people are watching nazism grow and are still timid about actually embracing the fight against it.

That simply isn't true unless your definition of "socialism" is an alliance of segregation era American liberals, the British Empire, the Chinese Kuomintang warlords, and Stalinists, in which case

Uh, okay bro.

Now if you want to say "socialism removes the pressures that create support for fascism instead of creating them like in capitalism," sure, okay.

that isnt true, what other way to defeat fascism?

I’m honestly surprised and shocked that Nazism is rising up again

Have people not learnt about and from the past?

or have you just not been paying attention? Nazism and fascism never went anywhere, and have been openly on the rise again for a significant while now, and those of us who it already impacts have been fighting them as best we can every step of the way. So maybe instead of pointing your finger at others, you should be asking yourself how this can possibly be taking you by surprise, unless you weren't paying as much attention as you like to think you have..

Don’t know about you but in my country there’s barely to no Nazism. Sorry if I don’t go out of my way to search for it.

ETA: It is also illegal in my country.

Which country are you from?

The Netherlands

Seriously? Right after Wilders got the most votes?

Extremists in the Netherlands don't call themselves Nazis but the ideology isn't very different.

Wilders is fairly far removed from Nazism. He's a populist who I don't particularly like, but he isn't a fascist either.

He also got a plurality of the votes (barely 25%), but not a majority. Whether or not he can govern is still unclear, and he's going to have to do it with more moderate parties.

https://www.trouw.nl/politiek/is-geert-wilders-rechts-populistisch-radicaal-of-toch-extreem~bc51f2c3/

Is Geert Wilders rechts, populistisch, radicaal of toch extreem?

Woorden doen ertoe, en dus maakt het uit hoe de PVV van Geert Wilders wordt beschreven. Media maken hun eigen afwegingen, maar politicologen zijn eensgezind. Judith Harmsen16 december 2023

Is de PVV van Geert Wilders een radicaal-rechtse, een extreemrechtse een populistische of gewoon een rechtse partij? Nu de verkiezingswinnaar volop in het nieuws is, valt op dat de terminologie waarmee de PVV wordt beschreven nogal eens verschilt.

De trouwste Trouw-lezers hebben misschien al opgemerkt dat ook op de redactie van deze krant meningsverschillen bestaan. Zo noemde columnist Stevo Akkerman de PVV vorig weekend nadrukkelijk een extreemrechtse partij, omdat die term volgens hem van toepassing is op elke groep die onderscheid maakt tussen burgers op het gebied van etniciteit, religie ‘of wat dan ook’. Hoofdredacteur Cees van der Laan pleitte een week eerder juist nog voor de term radicaal-rechts omdat Wilders binnen de democratie opereert en geen geweld toepast.

Die laatste typering heeft ook de voorkeur van de NRC-redactie, zo weten luisteraars van de wekelijkse politieke podcast van die krant, waarin de kwestie werd besproken. RTL Nieuws kiest dan juist weer voor rechts-populistisch, al staat die aanduiding volgens de chef van de politieke redactie, Fons Lambie, niet geheel vast. De duiding kan per uitspraak of programma verschillen.“Soms schuiven partijen op naar het midden, soms worden juist steeds verregaandere uitspraken gedaan.” Geert Wilders (PVV) tijdens een debat in de Tweede Kamer over de verkiezingsuitslag en het verslag van verkenner Ronald Plasterk. Beeld ANP Geert Wilders (PVV) tijdens een debat in de Tweede Kamer over de verkiezingsuitslag en het verslag van verkenner Ronald Plasterk.Beeld ANP Term met een negatieve connotatie

Redacteuren van persdienst ANP kunnen ondertussen kiezen uit drie termen: radicaal-rechts, rechts-nationalistisch en rechts-populistisch. ‘Feitelijk en helder’, vindt hoofdredacteur Freek Staps alledrie die beschrijvingen voor de PVV.

Meer omstreden is de term ‘extreemrechts’. Deze week zei de kersverse Kamervoorzitter Martin Bosma van de PVV dat hij er moeite mee heeft als die term in het parlement wordt gebruikt. De ANP-redactie heeft afgesproken ‘extreemrechts’ niet te gebruiken voor de PVV.

Staps: “We merken dat extreemrechts voor verschillende mensen een verschillende betekenis heeft, waardoor er discussie over kan ontstaan. Dat leidt af van wat we willen, namelijk goede, feitelijke journalistiek aanbieden. Bovendien heeft de term voor sommige mensen een zeer negatieve connotatie, waardoor die emoties oproept. Daar willen we van wegblijven. We willen dat de lezer zelf kan oordelen en de journalist moet dat proces niet sturen.”

Doet het ertoe met welke woorden journalisten een politieke partij beschrijven? Ja, vindt Staps dus. “Woordkeuze telt.” Ja, zegt ook politicoloog Matthijs Rooduijn, van de Universiteit van Amsterdam. “Je gaat partijen met elkaar vergelijken en dan moet je dat wel op een zuivere manier doen.”

Over het algemeen zijn politicologen het redelijk eens waar het de definities van termen als radicaal-rechts, populistisch of extreemrechts betreft. In het kort komt hun conclusie op het volgende neer, zegt Rooduijn: de PVV is radicaal-rechts én populistisch, maar niet extreemrechts. Natie bedreigd door elementen van buitenaf

Populistisch is de PVV omdat de partij steevast spreekt over een kloof tussen het volk en de ‘elite’, een groep met macht en invloed die de zorgen van gewone mensen niet serieus neemt. Radicaal-rechts is van toepassing omdat de partij gebruik maakt van het nativisme. ‘Een exclusieve vorm van het nationalisme’, noemt Rooduijn dat. “Het is het idee dat de eigen groep, de natie, wordt bedreigd door mensen of elementen van buitenaf.” Of het daarbij gaat om migranten, of bijvoorbeeld om mensen met een bepaald geloof of een bepaalde huidskleur, verschilt per radicaal-rechtse partij.

Ook extreemrechtse partijen gebruiken die vorm van ‘wij-zij-denken’, zoals ze ook – net als radicaal-rechtse groeperingen – geloven in een strak geordende samenleving, waarbij overtredingen streng worden gestraft. Toch is er ook wezenlijk verschil tussen radicaal- en extreemrechts. Want radicaal-rechts ‘beweegt zich binnen de grenzen van de democratie’, zoals Rooduijn het uitdrukt. “Radicaal-rechts wil de democratie in stand houden en is ook tegen geweld. Extreemrechts wil het democratisch bestel omver werpen. In veel gevallen schuwen extreemrechtse groeperingen geweld daarbij niet.” ‘Ieder label schiet tekort’

Het betekent niet, zo benadrukt de politicoloog, dat een radicaal-rechtse partij als de PVV geen opvattingen heeft die strijdig zijn met de liberale democratie zoals we die in Nederland kennen. Wilders is niet tégen verkiezingen, maar doet wel voorstellen die bijvoorbeeld de rechten van minderheden beperken. Uitspraken over een ‘nepparlement’ of journalisten als ‘tuig van de richel’ zijn in strijd met de liberale democratische waarden, zegt Rooduijn. “Maar de PVV steunt wel het idee dat burgers zelf bepalen door wie ze worden bestuurd. Extreemrechts doet dat niet.”

Moeten journalisten kiezen, dan is radicaal-rechts dus een betere term dan extreemrechts, vindt ook Edwin Kreulen, ombudsman van deze krant. Al is hij eigenlijk van mening dat ieder label tekortschiet. “Journalisten zijn op de wereld om feitelijk te beschrijven hoe een partij in elkaar zat en zit”, zegt hij. “Daarom zou ik er voorstander voor zijn om te blijven benoemen dat Wilders extreme standpunten heeft op het gebied van immigratie en moslims, en is veroordeeld voor zijn minder-Marokkanen-uitspraak.”

Dat kan bijvoorbeeld door de PVV een ‘anti-migratie, of anti-islam’ partij te noemen, zoals bijvoorbeeld de BBC doet. In geen geval wil Kreulen een eventueel kabinet met daarin de PVV 'centrumrechts’ noemen, zoals VVD-leider Dilan Yesilgöz doet. “Dat is een frame van de VVD, die daarmee de indruk wil wekken dat ze een rechtse partij aan een meerderheid helpt. Maar in zo'n geval gedoogt de VVD niet zomaar een rechtse partij, men gedoogt een partij die de rechten van een minderheid wil inperken. Het is wat mij betreft goed dat te blijven benoemen.” Lees ook: Lessen uit Polen en Hongarije: juist een mildere Wilders moet je wantrouwen

Hoe moeten we omgaan met de PVV en Wilders? In Hongarije en Polen hebben ze al langer ervaring met autoritaire leiders en extreemrechts. Lees ook: Waar niemand rekening mee hield, is gebeurd: met winst PVV sluit Nederland aan bij rechts-populistische trend

De PVV is de overrompelende winnaar van de verkiezingen. Nederland sluit aan bij een Europese rechts-populistische trend.

First, I didn’t vote for him. Secondly, majority voted him to avoid the VVD winning.

I wish he didn’t win.

However claiming that Wilders is similar to Nazi is.. Odd. He doesn’t want to kill others.

Also why tryin to change subject from Nazism to Wilders?

I don't know anything about the Netherlands situation, but Nazism is just one particular flavor of fascism, and all forms of fascism have been on the rise in recent years. Especially white supremacist forms.

Hitler didn't start out with killing people either. He started out the exact same way as Trump (in fact, one of Trump's former wives has said that he used to read Hitler's speeches before bed, so it would be no surprise to learn that he's straight up copying Hitler); blaming Germany's problems on immigrants and Jews, going after the LGBTQ population in Germany, even promising to build a wall around the German border to keep out illegal immigrants if he got elected. Trump's campaign slogan, "Make America Great Again," came from a pro-Nazi WW2 political party called America First. There is now an "America First Foundation" that proudly declares themselves as a movement that's an "amalgamation of traditional values, Trumpian populism, and American Nationalism" (their own words right off their website). Not only are they literally using the exact same name, but "traditional values" is one of those major red flags that means "white supremacy," as is nationalism. They don't call themselves Nazis, but they sure as hell share all the same values.

They call everyone they disagree with a nazi no katter how far away from being a nazi they are.

isn't it banned basically everywhere?
at least the antisemitism part of it

I think, it is, but we all see that banning something isn't enough to get rid of it

As the number of people who personally had interactions with the OG Nazis continues to reduce toward zero, the people who are following that same fascist ideology will start to slither their way into influence and the whole cycle will try to repeat.

I dunno about other countries but here in Poland (the same Poland that the nazis invaded) some teens joke about it all the time. I'm pretty sure that it's probably some teenager tryin to be funny instead of an actual nazi

Is it though? Or are we just calling more and more things nazi that in reality aren't? I can only speak for myself but in my case that word has entirely lost its meaning. It's basically calling someone stupid.

That is literally a swastika.

I love people saying we're just calling more things nazi when a major USA party has been actively using the American nazi party logos, slogans and ideas for years.

And the person who posted it is far more likely to be an edgy teenager than a literal nazi. My question still stands.

Quite a few of the original nazis were those too, or started that way. Groups like that are known for recruiting the youth.

Open your fuckin eyes, dude. It’s blatant and not hidden anymore. If you don’t see it, that’s because you’re choosing not to.

I see the huge demand for nazies but I literally never encounter them anywhere. People are calling Elon Musk a nazi for example so pardon my scepticism when I hear claims that it's on a rise.

No, they are calling Elmo antisemite for agreeing to a post claiming all Jews hate whites.

Antisemites aren't Nazis, but they are close.

Trump on the other hand is literally out there calling for dictatorship and throwing all his enemies into prison, while blaming migrants for everything.

You can ignore the world around you, but the rest of us see the connections.

Anyway, the only good Nazi is a dead one, this includes the people who only do so to be edgy.

A lot of full-on earnest racism these days has its beginnings in edgy ironic racism

I was talking about nazies. Literal nazies. Racism is just a slice of it.

I don't think that's necessarily true, right wing activist trolls go for volume.

Nazi jokes aren't funny. They're dangerous. Teenagers who make those jokes deserve to be treated as a danger.

If you read the news there has been multiple neonazi parties getting arrested for gathering guns for some nwo shit. And conservative and borderline faschist politicam parties are on the rise in multiple european countries. So no we are not just calling stuff nazies for no reason

Sure, but I never claimed that they don't exist. I'm just very sceptical about the claim that it's getting more common. I don't even remember when I last time saw a proper skinhead. Even those seemed to be way more common 15 years ago. And yes I know not all of them are nazies either.

They are not just skinheads anymore. They wear polo shirts and khakis. Did you miss the march in Charlotsville along with many other gatherings of that nature? Just because you are ignorant of this doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

These days Nazis wear blazers and gelled hair. There's a very specific look that's common among upper class and pseudo upper class Nazis.

Found the Nazi. You're welcome to interpret whether this is meant literally or if I'm using your definition.

if 5 people are sitting together, and 4 of them proudly proclaim to be nazis, and the 5th person doesn't leave - there are 5 nazis sitting together

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Is that 1d mean it was posted a day ago?

Shit, how come it can survive a whole day without being removed.

A bunch of friends who actively use the app were praising it for its “freedom of speech” and “unmoderated nature”. Showed me some pretty foul things while they were at it :)) safe to say, I’ve started to move away from them

A bunch of friends who actively use the app were praising it for its “freedom of speech” and “unmoderated nature”. Showed me some pretty foul things while they were at it :)) safe to say, I’ve started to move away from them

And that's why any social media algorithm would think you'd be interested in such things. Report and block.

Looks like they got it by now.

Must’ve had tons of engagement (hopefully comments decrying it). Perhaps more comments than reports, and/or an underfunded moderation team.

Who am I kidding, definitely underfunded moderation teams.

I'm not so surprised

Beyond dumb, it's hilarious

I’m pretty sure it’s satire and not even trying to hide it considering all the angry emojis and the fact that they’re a comedy sketch duo.

If they have anything to do with the lemmy instance of the same name I'm afraid that's wishful thinking.

There is room for this being an obvious joke about a fictional character and two grifters believing some of the things unironically in other situations.

Oh I do believe it's a joke pictured above but spend any time over on their instance you'll find way less irony than you'd hope.

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Agreed, it's clearly meant as a joke.

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The fat, jolly, red-suit-wearing Santa as we know it today, created by Coca-Cola to sell more product, is a Marxist. TIL. 😂

Take a lesson from Coca-Cola: If you can't beat them, co-opt their propaganda.

Turning Santa into a lesson for Marxism is fine by me.

Revisionist history is really making the rounds these days.

I just learned the other day Jesus was a Palestinian Arab which is really amazing because the history books seem to indicate that Jesus died before Islam was founded or the term Palestine had been placed on that piece of land by its colonizers.

I'm learning so much from Instagram and tik tock. It's amazing. Who needs university degrees anymore!!!

I am more willing to believe that this is satire than that anyone anywhere on planet earth legitimately holds that view.

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I saw a couple other screenshots of unhinged threads post ads on insta that were straight up trans hate posts. Guess they're really trying to show off their "free speech"

The funny windmill men also 8 thousand likes WTF

The number of Nazis on the internet should come as no surprise. It's not even surprising that so little is done about it or that almost no one cares. The only surprising part is that advertising used to be free of this shit.

Just fyi and not that it matters too much, but I'm pretty sure that if you have an instagram account, you've also got a threads account, even if you've never used or even seen it, that's how they got "millions of new members" when they first launched..

Either way, this is gross, but I'm almost glad they're going masks off to compete with xitter's "free speech" because while this is definitely dangerous and scary, I'd rather those who feel the same actually see them for what they really are.

Yeah, you’re right. When you log in, apparently it prompts you to follow all your instagram friends, and it doesn’t say that they have or don’t have accounts, just that your request is “pending”, like you’re waiting for them to reply.

🦣🦣🦣Mastodons unit! Defederate Meta!!🦣🦣🦣

They did nazi that coming

I wonder how many people actually are nazis and how many are edgy teenagers trying to piss off people online. Surely the number of true shitbags can't be this high.

They may start off as edgy teenagers, but there’s that whole gazing into the abyss thing you have to worry about

When someone tells you they're a nazi, there's no downside to taking them at their word.

Maybe but ruining the life of a 15 year old saying dumb shit doesn't feel quite the same as an adult who knows the weight of their position.

I admit I was 15 over 30 years ago, but has something changed between now and then? Because I don't remember anyone when I was 15 not understanding that "pretending" to be a Nazi to piss people off was beyond the pale.

Maybe these are just Nazis?

Probably the safety of anonymity on the internet is my guess

Yeah, this is a big one, and has been a major reason for a lot of recent terrorism (like doxing and sending threatening packages to people's family and swatting). Without being held liable for their actions, a lot of shitty people feel emboldened to act in ways they would never dare offline. And that's not even getting into stuff like the grooming tactics of extremist groups online, convincing kids that minorities are why they think their life sucks.

If they aren't and their life is "ruined" because of a mistake, it's an important life lesson. Your actions have consequences.

Nazism is a plague on humanity. There is literally no benefit to it existing.

So if it ruins the lives of some dumb kids who think they are cool for mimicking literal hate groups, then so be it. The chance of them joining them at a later date is too huge.

The only other option is to allow Nazis, which is not an option in any way shape or form.

The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.

You touch on a REALLY interesting point actually, where this whole thing of "being a Nazi" has sorta gone underground in the last several years (evolution = survival of the fittest, so if the feds crack down on any group that CLAIMS to be Nazis, hence all of a sudden the remaining groups that were not cracked down upon yet find it expedient to no longer make that CLAIM... while being essentially the same in every other respect, though this is a vast oversimplification).

Thus there is a truly astonishing number of people who literally are not even aware that they are Nazi-adjacent, perhaps 1 or 2 or 3 steps away from it while continually being groomed to be actual, full-on Nazis, and/or to support their policies. i.e. they might not hate Jews yet, but do worry about why illegals are not being deported with haste b/c they are "stealing our jobs" (never mind that they... are not, at least not those jobs that anyone actually wants - those are facts and always remember that those have no place in brainwashing techniques:-D).

The Alt-Right Playbook series by Innuendo Studies goes into great depth on this subject, if you are interested. Especially "How to Radicalize a Normie" iirc (but I'm not logged in right now and it's flagged as age-restricted so I cannot double-check - anyway the entire series is VERY eye-opening and I think extremely worthwhile).

So in one sense you are correct: the number of people who unabashedly admit to being "Nazis" has fallen sharply, and the number of teenagers (+ adults:-P) who are shitposting will (thankfully?) never change, whereas the number of people who will be e.g. fascist while claiming to fight against fascists, really, truly, honestly, and unironically actually are fairly high. So high that in fact there is a very good chance of them winning the next presidential election in the USA. And buried within that enormously large group, deeply hidden so that very few barely admit even to themselves more than a tiny portion of that reality, are a core that are true, full-on Nazis. Of the kind that will go, plus take along as many sheeple as they can gather around them (to use as meat-shields as nothing else), to bloody violence to achieve their ends. After all, just like Russia pushing into Ukraine, if nobody acts to stop them, then why not?

As far as I can see the moderation there is shit.

Non-english posts are a shit show.

Ok, that one is a legitimate concern.

edit: post appears to have been deleted, but the account is still there

They're beginning to federate with Mastodon, though at least so far it's only developers and employees at Meta. If it becomes an issue later though I'll just block that whole domain from appearing in my feed.

A lot of instances have agreed to pre-emptively defederate from Threads. I reckon that's probably wise. In fact, I think it might be the majority of instances; but not the majority of users, because mastodon.social and some other big ones aren't doing it.

Saw the same thing twice on one of those “advertisements”. I guess it’s probably trolling and mostly lack of moderation

Seems like Lemmy is leaking into twitter. Not surprised.

Those Threads posts seem to be selected based on the same algorithm used by regular Instagram. I only get shown accounts similar to those I interact with on IG. Never any Nazi shit.

I wish my lemmy client could hide this post in a way besides blocking the user or community.

For the same reason you don't want to see this on Instagram, I don't really want it on my screen in public either. I appreciate the call-out this post serves, but one view is enough.

You laugh but there are actual Nazis on some internet platforms

I don't think most of us here are laughing, a motivating factor to move away from places like Instagram and Reddit for me was their habit of ignoring far-right activity while punishing left activity. Some of us here are active on the internet in part because we know there are a lot of Nazis active too.

I'm pretty sure reddit and most social media is bias to the left. Maybe you should check your own beliefs as it sounds like you are part of the radical left like most people here.

When I say far right I'm talking about antisemitic beliefs that are often rooted in racist religious beliefs. That's not your average conservative.

Well yes, I am part of the 'radical left', and proudly so, by that mean I believe in healthcare, food and a place to live for all people regardless of any qualifier and think the political/economic systems in place now will not achieve that.

I agree the average conservative is not a believer in that sort of antisemitism, but it's not uncommon. In the terms of US politics, social media platforms do have a left bias, from a more global perspective though they are center or center-right, and overall just do whatever will protect their profits. Reddit, Twitter, others will ban left-wing and anti-capitalist groups and allow their algorithms to push content they know encourages far-right violence because it generates more activity.

I agree the average conservative is not a believer in that sort of antisemitism, but it’s not uncommon

Furthermore, they may not believe in the Nazi sort of antisemitism, but ask them if this is a Christian country. Ask them if there should be Christian prayer in schools. For a real laugh, ask them if Passover should be made a federal holiday like Christmas.

Because their likely answers to all of those are, at a certain level, antisemitic. Maybe not knowingly so, but still antisemitic. It is antisemitic (and anti-every other group that isn't Christian) to expect this to be a Christian country that works on Christian principles.

What you call antisemitic is just not being a Jewish nation. If you are Jewish you are free to believe what you want without being blow up or harmed. Attacking the Jewish population and or blaming them for historical events is what I consider antisemitic.

You do bring up a good point about the US being a sort of Christian nation. I guess that is history I suppose.

No.

If you say America is a Christian nation, you are being antisemitic.

If you say there should be Christian prayer in American schools, you are being antisemitic.

If you say under no circumstances should a Jewish holiday be given the same prominence as a Christian holiday, you are being antisemitic.

You just don't realize it.

Absurd. An attempt to establish your own religion as the dominant religion is not a result of a specific bias against Jews, as antisemitism implies. It is a belief that oneself is superior that results in a bias against anyone who is different

Calling it antisemitic is a tacit prioritization of your own marginalization over the marginalization of others, which fundamentally comes from the same mindset

Antisemitism implies no such thing.

Also, how is it a prioritization when I specifically said: (and anti-every other group that isn’t Christian)

Or when you said 'your own' did you mean 'everyone who is not Christian?'

Because it's antisemitic and antiHindu and antiMuslim and anti-every other religion to suggest Christianity deserves any legal primacy in America.

"If God truly does exist, He more so loves the atheist who questions the world around him than the Christian who blindly follows." -Thomas Jefferson

More than half of the Founding Fathers were agnostic/atheists. They specifically wrote the Constitution to keep (any kind of) religion out of the government. The idea that America has ever been a "Christian nation" is rooted in a false history meant to deny the right of religious freedom to others. Pushing Christian holidays and religious rights while ignoring equal treatment of other religions is definitely antisemitism, just not the blowing up temples kind. It's also anti-every other kind of religion as well. "Equal but different" wasn't equal in regards to gay marriage or segregation, and it certainly isn't in regards to religious freedom.

Our history is full of "little" lies like this designed to shape our perception of the country. Such as the fact that we're never told that the Puritans were a bunch of religious extremists who came to America because they were exiled from England after trying to assassinate the king and replace him with their own puppet to force their religion on the rest of the country. Or that Hitler was inspired by America's treatment of the Native Americans when it came to dealing with the Jews, immigrants, and LGBTQ people in Germany, and considered the US a "sister nation" with similar ideals to his (he even talks about it in one of his books). The entirety of Europe hides the fact along with us that the Nazis had a lot of support and that most leaders at the time didn't want to get involved in fighting Germany right up until they invaded their country specifically. Did you know there's a statue in Ireland honoring the various Native American tribal nations for their humanitarian aid during the Potato Famine because they were some of the only groups to provide any aid? Or that there wasn't even actually a famine at all? There was a food shortage, but there was plenty of food - if you were British. The British tried to starve the Irish in an ethnic cleansing so they could take their land.

I ain't here to say you're bad or stupid or some nonsense because of your opinion, but as Thomas Jefferson said, question why it's okay to put a statue of the Ten Commandments on display at a state capitol building but not a statue of Baphomet teaching kids science next to it, because you'll often be surprised to find that the history we've been taught isn't the whole story. I know I keep being surprised the more I learn. There's tons of little things we take for granted in our daily life that are rooted in systems built with malicious intent. I'm still disgusted by the fact that one of the architects building the highways in New York designed the bridges around where he lived to be too low for buses to go under specifically so black kids couldn't take the bus to the beaches near his neighborhood.

I agree with you completely. That's doesn't change the fact that we celebrate Christmas. It doesn't need to religious for everyone but most people in the US want to celebrate Christmas and not necessarily Hanuka.

I have full respect for people are Jewish or Islamic or something else.

Maybe, but Christmas (as in the day of, December 25th) is still a Christian holiday. It's a pretty safe assumption to make that the majority of people celebrate Christmas, especially the commercialized version that's ingrained into our culture, but it's still an assumption made with Christianity as the default/majority that doesn't take into account anybody else. Unconsciously assuming everybody is one thing because the majority of people are that thing can silence/oppress those that aren't.

This is why the big stink every year over Merry Christmas vs Happy Holidays is inherently antisemitic/anti-other religions. Because it refuses to acknowledge that there are other people in this country who practice other religions with other holidays (or don't practice any religion at all). If you make an exception for one (making Christmas a federal holiday), but not for the other (Passover in this case), then they're being treated unequally and therefore you don't have freedom of religion and are biased against the second one. Because the followers of Judaism in that example cannot practice their religion and celebrate their holiday to the same degree as Christians can.

For true equality you either accommodate all religions by making every single religious holiday a federal holiday or you accommodate none of them. Obviously, the first option is impossible, so you limit federal holidays to days of importance outside of religion, and allow enough vacation days to ensure people can celebrate at least most of their holidays. Days like the 4th of July, voting day(s) (a big one that we don't do), etc should be federal holidays, but not Christmas or Easter. Outside the government, this is how it's handled. Businesses are free to choose what holidays they close to celebrate or stay open for, and cannot get in trouble for what holidays they decide to give off or not give off for their employees. This is why the Jewish and Chinese communities are historically so close in the US - neither celebrates Christmas, so Jewish people go to Chinese food restaurants and other Chinese businesses that would otherwise not get much business on the holiday. It's also why retail stores can make their employees work on Christian holidays, regardless of whether or not they're Christian (speaking of which, you never hear an outrage about people being forced to work on Christmas day, yet there's a guaranteed frothing of the mouth over the Happy Holidays thing every single year).

That's the antisemitism inherent in our culture. That people are willing and want to support allowances for Christian religious institutions and values like holidays and prayers in school, but would not be okay with the same allowances for Judaism or other religions. In the same way that the architect I mentioned making the bridges too low so black kids couldn't go to the beaches near his house was an act of racism.

I would say if social media has any form of left leaning bias in regards to US politics, it's entirely down to the userbase and not the platform. It's been shown that content from left-wing politicians and groups gets buried by the algorithms on places like Facebook and Twitter when compared to content from right-wing groups and politicians on a pretty consistent basis.

I'm not sure there is alternative to "capitalism" as you call it. As it turns out we are all greedy and to add salt to the wound all of the Communist revolutions failed within a short time and caused a lot of bloodshed.

I'm scarred of communism because it causes death and starvation in the end. What you all a right wing bias is the same to me as removing violent and harmful content. You legitimately scare me. (That's not suppose to be insulting) We are no longer locked in a cold war so the best course of action I suppose is to just ignore you.

Please define 'the radical left.'

I'm mostly referring to the people who politically very liberal.

I think you have some definition issues here... Because 'liberal' according to my dictionary when used in a political sense means "relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise."

That really doesn't sound especially radical to me.

Care to try again?

That isn't even close to a definition, that is basically just a synonym.

It is like describing a cube as cubistic.

Yeah really weird how you people claim to not support racist religious fascists yet vote for them every time

Fucking fascist doesn’t even know the difference between liberal and leftist

Have you ever thought that the add is based on your interest. Stop following nazis and you won't get this adds. Easy.