Minneapolis mayor calls remote workers ‘losers’ who sit at home with a ‘nasty cat blanket, diddling on their laptop’
Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey is trying a unique strategy to get remote workers to return downtown: insulting them.
“I don’t know if you saw this study the other day,” Frey told an audience of 1,000 at Minneapolis Downtown Council’s annual meeting on Wednesday. “What this study clearly showed … is that when people who have the ability to come downtown to an office don’t — when they stay home sitting on their couch, with their nasty cat blanket, diddling on their laptop — if they do that for a few months, you become a loser!”
The comment was a “complete joke” and the study was made-up, the Minneapolis mayor’s office told Fortune, but there are serious facts to back up Frey’s worry about the impact of remote work on Minneapolis’ downtown economy.
Ah yes the typical "what? It was just a joke, why's everyone mad at me?" reaction to saying something only an asshole would say, fuck this guy. So sorry rich people are going to make less money off of their real estate investments, boo fucking hoo, how about adapting to technological and cultural changes better? 🤷♂️
Disclosure: I work from home and enjoy it immensely. I never want to work in an office again.
There is that, and some rich people need to be boiled in their own pudding. But this affects all downtown businesses, even mom and pop shops. People will just flee like urban flight did when people went to the suburbs. What's left? I hear about "well, turn office buildings into residential space," but the logistics of that with fire codes, building codes, and urban planning are not drop in replacements. They can be done, but at great cost.
We're looking at an urban decay beyond what we've planned for. Minneapolis is terrified to become another Detroit or Gary Indiana.
It doesn’t have to all be bad. If the city could get the head out of their ass, they could sort out the codes and get it done. Let people who work downtown live downtown. Shrink the driving and parking infrastructure, turn it into a walkable, bikeable area.
Rents/leases could go way down for the mom and pop shops that can survive in the new design.
Other businesses can move further out where the people are, so the suburbs can become more walkable.
If we made the focus on reducing waste, and making things easy for everyone, rather than how to make rich people richer, theres lots of solutions.
It was obvious 30 years ago downtowns were in trouble because businesses ere moving to suburbs. They still haven't made serious effort to change the root causes of that.
Good point, but as an aside... is your backspace key broken?
typing on my phone. I have never found a good keyboard for mobile. I turned autocorrect off long ago as it too often was changing what I wrote to something that was completely the opposite, at least without it you know I didn't mean that can can figure it out (I hope). I'm using thumb-key which overall I like, but there are still issues with it.
I have dysgraphia which means writing is already more difficult for me than most, combine that will small text boxes and random hitting of something I didn't mean...
I'm on a real computer now so I was able to run spellcheck and get at least the most obvious mistakes fixed.
In addition, increase housing density by removing single family only zoning and adding more missing middle and affordable housing. Make the city a place people want to live (and can afford to live) rather than just a place people commute in and out from in their noisy, polluting cars.
Demand has changed in the market? Bummer. Anyway,
Oh no, we might not need heavily built-up downtown centers any more. But we need to need them! For some reason.
Just like we need crypto.
Oh wait.
Most of the buildings were talking about are made to accommodate stricter codes already. The problem isn't really at all the cost of retrofitting them, so much as it is the lower rent/sf price they can charge for it.
Everything else you mentioned is fair, but the only reason people would rather leave urban centers if they don't need to be there is the cost of living there. No matter how you slice it, the biggest obstacle to dense residential city centers is the established expectation of higher ROI on the space and the over-leveraged building owners who can't afford to charge less for risk of defaulting on their properties.
In the end, it's about bailing out the rich. They should have diversified their bets away from commercial real estate.
Covid mashed fast forward, but remote knowledge work was a thing before it. It was a foreseeable risk, even just from guessing normal rich people motivations: once the San Francisco crowd figured out they could cast a bigger net for talent, AND pay lower-cost-of-living city salaries to them, it was going to spread.
He went with the "it was just a prank bro" strategy, which has in the last decade been very successful
They hate improving citizens lives so for that they must go
Insulting a key demographic of your constituency in a ranked choice system is an interesting strategy.
Yeah but businesses are probably paying him more.
What the fuck is wrong with this guy.
Clearly owns commercial/office real estate in the city.
and is funded by owners of said properties (FOR SURE)
Never forget who the real influencers of decisions are: The wealthy owners of property in this country.
If I paid him to say that I'd want my money back because that's not exactly going to do achieve my goals.
working in office culture = more people in his city spending money day to day + more offices needed because workers are expected to be there + more property value from more property demand due to return to office culture.
Mayors of cities have a vested interest in having full office buildings which provide more funding to the city through worker/poor tax (sales tax) instead of corporate tax hikes.
If the ownership class stands to benefit from the status quo continuing they will 100% impose the status quo.
Sure, and you don't accomplish that by insulting all your employees. This guy shot himself in the foot with a howitzer.
Yeah I know. My point is how is being an ass going to achieve that.
If I'm paying him to try to get people to come back to the office how is anything that he is doing achieving that goal?
Oddly enough Hennepin County doesn't let you search property by owner or property tax payer.
https://www16.co.hennepin.mn.us/pins/?articleId=by_address
This is what happens when your education is CEO-pandering articles on Forbes and Fortune shoving "the workers are the problem and work-from-home is lazy and will kill your business" agenda so they get more views
Well he's not exactly a great orator is he?
Presumably he is invested in getting people back into the office, so you would have thought that he would have tried something a little bit more likely to succeed than insulting people.
Politicians these days are just bad at being corrupt.
This is the guy who showed up to a protest for the murder of George Floyd and everyone switched to chanting "Go home Jacob, go home" and "shame". Dude just sucks.
He has more money/power than is healthy for him or the rest of society...
He seems like an OK mayor for the city tbh but shit has gone downhill under him like the George Floyd thing which Domino'd to chaos over time.
This is probably a cascade from businesses wanting to end their lease on downtown offices, which is due to remote workers, which is why this dude is spazzing. It's directly affecting the city income, budget, planning, etc. Just pushing it more towards chaos.
I see the reasons, but instead of putting everything back maybe try to move forward? I'm no city planner so I have no idea what another solution would be. Cheaper business startup costs to increase local markets?
A city is sort of like a business because there are budgets, income, expenses, etc. When you have no offices being leased, you will, as the city, lose.
Addition: he said it was a joke. It could've been. It could not have been. As I said before, he's done an OK job. I'd feel inclined to belive it was a joke in poor taste. Perhaps a half joke. Idk man. It's not super important in the grand scheme.
https://youtu.be/rFM2Yso7BGY
Good god. Thank you for bringing a sane, thoughtful take on the situation.
Yes. There are real monetary issues here and memes aren't going to change that overnight.
And the real monetary issues are that the free market has spoken and the businesses, instead of listening to this Free Market that they worship so much, have instead propped up a failure of a decision for no reason other than they've already spent a bunch of money on it.
If MY business failed because I stuck too hard to a sunk cost fallacy, nobody would give a shit. So why is it a problem here? They should have invested better, or at the very least, seen which way the wind is blowing and adapt appropriately.
Oh no, my feelings are so hurt ... Hearing a politician teach me about work is like hearing a priest teach me about sex with an adult.
Just don't knock anything off the
altardesk and you'll be fine.People just don’t want to spend what little time we have on this earth commuting, paying $10 for a shitty Subway sandwich for lunch, and listening to Elderly Manager Brian talk about his glory days to a captive audience.
He sure has a lot of boomer energy for a guy who's only 42.
Boomerism is more a state of mind than it is an actual age
At least actual boomers have the excuse of being 90% lead for most of their childhood.
As an elder millennial I apparently got exposed to healthy doses myself and I refused to turn into one of those entitled twats. My family has strict instructions to put my ass in a home the second I tell them anything remotely resembling "pull yourself up by your bootstraps". I refuse to be an emotional burden like so many boomers are on their kids/those around them. I would rather die alone in the cheapest home they can find or even on the streets before that happens
You're 100% correct, and it's kinda sad, really... for so many members of a generation to be so consistently and relentlessly stupid toxic that its name becomes synonymous with "douchebag." What a fuckin accomplishment.
This just in: mayor of Minneapolis is completely out of touch with modern society
I think it's more that he runs Minneapolis.
If your business model is being a city that has a bunch of office buildings that workers commute into from surrounding suburbs every day, and then one day, people decide that they don't need to do that commute, kinda dicks up your business model.
Who even elected him?
Definitely the white centrist boomers living around Minneapolis. It was the time when rent control and replacing the police department with a department of public safety was on the ballot. And Frey was against both of those things. I remember talking with some of my elderly in-laws who all live in south Minneapolis. They all voted for him. Plus with ranked choice voting, people had to specifically take him off the ballot in order to win.
What the fuck is a "nasty cat blanket"
Projection.
Nah, it's class contempt. All of us rubes working from our slums, when we should be content to bask in the glory of the Corporate Office...
A blanket that is 10% cat hair/pee/scratched and 100% nasty
So a picnic rug/baby blanket/couch throw?
Yes but with less of a perpetual scent.
Dogs are far worse for that. My sister has a dog and nothing in their house will ever be clean again
Lol okay our dog doesn't lose any hair, at least not more than a human
Don't know many humans that shit on the floor of their home though.
Eh, they're just more cleaning than a human when it comes to the big messy ones. Totally managable with full mobility. Though if you have an unfortunate situation like a long-hair shedding dog and no vaccuum or one that hair-wraps easily... it gets rough.
Other than that, it's largely staying on top of messes and training them to keep it outside. One bad pee spot a year is easy enough to clean up without a trace, but if it soaks in or it's all over, it's a chore and one that needs a shampooer or serious mopping, too.
Also UV flashlights, the kind with a black (filtered) lense, are your friend. They're cheap these days and make pee spots flouresce.
Yeah I'm not going to my sister's house with the black light, that seems to cross a line.
Ha yea don't snoop...Though they are awesome for finding pee spots. Just let 'em borrow it or buy extras. There are ones for under ten bucks these days.
Because humans evolved to live in a sterile environment 24/7 and to never be exposed to other forms of life, dirt, or literally any sort of adversity physically or emotionally. Or something?
Your home doesn't need to be sterile, but it does need to be disease free.
We have known that since the middle ages.
Okay, what diseases are my dogs giving me? Also, define "disease free" because you're already covered in "diseases". The bacteria that causes strep throat is already hanging out inside of your throat, waiting to proliferate one day when your immune system dips because of something entirely unrelated. If you've eaten out, you've probably eaten fecal coliform bacteria from the people who made your food, and you never even knew it (and neither did they) because nobody washes their hands for the recommended 30 seconds. Just take it easy, don't do obviously risky things with your health, and you'll be fine.
a clear indication that the man is a barbarian
I guess making his downtown a good place to live and work might take some effort, while insults are free. Good use of economic resources.
I hope this guy gets stuck in traffic enough that his policies don’t get traction, and someone more capable gets elected next.
This dude just called every c suite exec a loser ...lol
Shows his desperation. Adapt or die.
He probably invested too heavily in real estate. Now, the corporate RIET or REIT (I always forget) aren't growing to his expectations.
Yeah.... No. The real losers are the asshats that have to get up, shower, get lunch together, drive to a factory, inhale shit all day, fantasize about unrealistic things like unicorns, homeownership, and retirement, and then drive home.
Source: Me. Am loser, driving, breathing shit, and all with no cat blanket...
Would you like a cat blanket in these trying times?
That's all I've ever wanted out of life!
:P
Man, if you become a loser in a few months what does that make me since I've been fully remote for six years, and more than 50% remote for eleven years.
Also, here's the problem as defined by Minneapolis:
What does "going out" entail? Visiting a bar and overpaying for drinks in a noisy bar? Overpaying at a restaurant that doesn't even have plates?
Gen Z doesn't have any money. Going out requires money. So unless they're gonna subsidize meals at restaurants, people will stay home and diddle on their laptops because at least that doesn't cost money.
It's the same with a lot of us millennial people.
I graduated into a job market still largely crushed by the dotcom bubble bursting, had my entire life and career path destroyed by the GFC, then another destroyed by covid.
Let me just spend a third of my monthly food allowance on food I can make better myself to please the downtown economy god, I guess lmfao.
Stop man... You had me at cat blanket, no need to say anything else, I will continue from home.
What a fucking tool
I call politicians scumbags that just lie and steal, but whatever
I'm pretty sure those studies actually exist though
Studies definitely exist, but they say remote work is vastly more efficient. Buy the lies or do research.
They probably meant studies showing that politicians are lying and stealing scumbags
Doh! That was a whoosh moment! Sorry @echodot@feddit.uk
Its that efficency that is the problem.
There are a lot of other subeconomies that rely on daily commuter herds.
This guy is upset a broken system has been exposed for what it is.
so does corruption in science. once again, you have capitalism to thank for that. Publication pressure everyone's heard of, but journals don't like to publish papers that simply refute or fail to reproduce another lab's results - and without that, it's not science, it's just fantasy; without it, there can be no path forward.
Minor nit pick overall, but 'diddling' is a revealing choice of words
It's all projection with these types.
I can't read this article, but I've seen (and posted) other articles about this. Governor Walz responded with "I guess I'm a nasty cat blanket person then". The DFL isn't a sack of shit, but Mayor Frey sure is. And he got re elected last time because he's about as conservative as can win here and the downtown businesses threw a bunch of money in his campaign.
Maybe they should have used that money to entice workers back into the office...
The whole back to the office argument is stupid. Rather than trying to force people back businesses should realize this is an opportunity to decrease their outgoings. Sell the giant waste of space office in an expensive part of town, and just carry on doing what you're already doing.
I made them put that I am a permanent homework in my contract so they can't make me go back into that office. But they still maintain the physical building which is mad. Now they're just getting the worst of both worlds, their employees are removed yet their paying for a building. About a year before the lockdown they replaced the expensive staffed canteen with vending machines, and that pissed everyone off. They still haven't undone that yet so why should I go back?
See, that's the problem most normies don't know: These offices have LONG leases. They're basically a home owner that bought on a bubble.
They still deserve to lose the investment, though. That's what all their money is for, right? Taking risks? Sounds like they should've kept more around for a rainy day...
The only "people" who truly are interested in RTO are real estate holding companies desperately trying to stave off financial ruin, and executives/billionaires who have investments therein.
The arm twisting is coming right from the top and isn't going to work long term.
It's daft though because at the rate AI development is going this was going to happen anyway even without COVID.
minneapolis mayor can foresee the coming commercial real-estate bubble collapsing - they must get a lot of tax dollars from businesses
Wouldn't be surprised if he himself or any number of people who fronted the money to get them elected are invested in that business
Because of how property tax works in the U.S, denser areas pay more property tax and cost less in relative terms with regards to infrastructure, so it's a pretty safe bet that he's going to be losing money here.
Except for when the city goes bankrupt, he's not personally on the hook - the tax payers get to absorb that loss instead.
Property tax in the U.S is pretty dumb in general to be honest. Should probably replace it with LVT tbh
Being a loser sounds pretty great actually.
Yeah, it even comes with a gambling addict cat and horny spider!
Another Hazbin Hotel fan in the wild!
There's dozens of us! DOZENS!
He is from the Democratic Farmer Labor Party which is an affiliate of the Democratic Party. This is not exactly a labor supporting statement.
There is a growing resentment from traditional labor which cannot work remotely against the knowledge labor force which is able to work remotely. If the educational divide between GOP and Dems is fleeting, he's betting on his party's historic strength.
Perhaps they'd like office workers to make traffic worse for them again
It's because office workers are too cozy with management.
What's this even supposed to mean? What a weird thing to say let alone think
Often it’s a distinction without a difference.
We can't all shovel shit
Believe it or not, you can. Just like the guy with the shovel can probably write an email.
So then go do it instead of bitching about other people doing it? Wtf?
Maybe dude with the shovel should go pull himself up by his bootstraps and get one of those email writing jobs since that's how the world works now.
https://y.yarn.co/ea1cc6a6-8072-4533-ba0b-6ce2be4ff9c2_text.gif
let me go tell everyone with physical disabilities that instead of working from home they should be out working the fields.
My guy, I work with a 67 year old woman at a factory working 12 hours 4 days in a row plus additional overtime every few weeks. There are all also multiple people with physical disabilities that work there. Not every physical disability prevents you from working a physical job. In fact, I can think of several jobs that someone in a wheelchair could do on the floor with no problem.
I'm not sure why exploitation of seniors is a flex but ok.
She's there by choice, she said she's just waiting until her birthday to retire. She's an immigrant from Vietnam, they have a much different cultural mindset. She will barely let you help her with her work.
Yeah idk what I expected from Fortune
Fuck you, dude.
Lol. Lmao even.
Working remotely has let me support local businesses more than before. I'm helping out a community I want to live in, not one I'm forced to commute to and just work in.
Sorry, you aren’t spending your money the right way. Private equity groups such as Blackstone have rigged the economy in their favor through capital investment and regulatory capture. They are entitled to your money and major entirely foreseeable shifts in the way the peasants toil are no excuse for them not getting it.
"impact of remote work on Minneapolis’ downtown economy"
So nothing about the impact of remote work on actual productivity and output, which studies show are greatly improved. F your downtown, man.
If "downtown" were a carless urban greenscape, it would be thriving, particularly if folks had control over their own busy schedules. Instead, this idiot presides over a traffic-jammed, smog-filled, noisy, ugly, colorless concrete jungle and he's sad it's dying? Yeah, because most cities are hideous blight zones.
Turn downtown back into a walkable space!
Oh, the loser who was on the Minneapolis city council for years before becoming mayor and then doing shit-all for a couple years before multiple cops in his city murdered George Floyd? The city that had so many civil rights violations that they're now operating under a consent decree? Why should I care what that guy says?
My nasty cat blanket is warm af thank you.
Frey really wants workers downtown proping up the commercial real estate market and paying that 12% - 15% downtown restaurant tax mpls has when we get lunch.
Well I hope he drops a big glass pitcher full of water on his foot.
This, except I hope the pitcher is full of crocodile piss.
You mean happy losers that don't let corporations control their lives?
Maybe the world needs more losers then ...
..and run companies from home, we are nurses, doctors, lawyers, customer service, support techs, and logistics. We work 8, 10, 12+ hours to help build companies we will never benefit from. Jacob, we don't give two fucks about you either. What's your point?
I've been a loser my whole life but so has everyone else. It's time for use to steer the ship. 🚢 ⚓
Oh look another politician that doesn't know what work is.
Frey isn’t going to last long here. Lots of Minnesotans dislike him across the political spectrum, for obvious reasons.
Its a shame, because by and large it looks like his politics don't suck. But the guy just can't help but get sucked in by corporate real estate tycoons because... that's how you get the money to run for Mayor, I guess.
Ways to get me to support your downtown economy: insulting me? Lol. I live in a red state and recently got a remote job... so glad I can spend less money on the local economy by staying at home. Instead of being forced to spend money at local businesses, I spend it on people/businesses near or far away that share my world views, who I -want- to support. No longer who I -have- to support. Screw the conservative economy.
Well I work from home and make $90k MORE than this loser that has to go in to an office. So what does that say about him?
that his blanket is missing precious cuddly cat hair!
these guys who criticize typically have always had the choice to remote work in their entire careers, have nice corner offices, can just meet with executive all career looking and do fun things. etc
k. brb going to diddle my laptop
While still a stupid thing to say, I am concerned that this quote was mildly taken out of context. It was made at a business luncheon, where he was addressing downtown business owners. I believe "you" in "you become a loser" meant "if people work from home, you downtown business owners become the losers here." But yeah, "nasty cat blanket" is a classist and elitist statement from someone who has a stereotype image in their head.
Link to that part of the speech, sorry it's from a FOX affiliate.
https://www.fox9.com/news/minneapolis-mayor-says-remote-work-turns-you-into-a-loser.amp
And Minneapolis is probably going to call someone else "Mayor".
Well sure but it's hurtful when you say it like that
I wish I were a loser, but I have to drive to work, use tools, and make my back sore carrying a ladder around.
the tax hole is shrinking.
Really now? It's all bullshit, but its really real too you know!
FTFY
Why does anyone care what mayor rimron and fortune magazine think?
I'm sure the people in Minneapolis care.
Translation: our tax income is down, because nobody wants to pay office leases, or premium rents to be close to the office. Fixed it for you!
what a shit post.
When it comes to capitalism, I'm happy to be a loser. Proud, even. What you don't see, very often, however, is people actually firing themselves like this guy just did...
Lol a study showed they became losers
Man it sure seems like Democrats don't want me to vote for them.
It sure seems like some people insist on making absolutely everything a Republican-vs.-Democrat issue.
I mean.. He's an elected official in a party that is, well, a branch of the democratic party.
He's a politically elected official acting in a political capacity making a political statement about labor and work.
I'm really not sure what you think your point is.
My point is that this isn't some kind of broad-based Democratic party platform on display here. He's just an idiot politician saying something dumb who happens to be a Democrat. He's not holding this position because he's a Democrat.
I mean he's a Democrat and he's holding the position. I can guarantee you that the DNC will not be siding with me on my stance on labor, work from home, etc, they'll be siding with this muppet. And guess what? Probably half of the Democrats in office now when pressed, will hold a similar position. About 2/5ths will side with this goon once their corporate donors press the 'Submit' button. The last 10th, thats the squad and the progressives. An absolute minority.
The Democrats suck. They really fucking suck. They represent two generations of policy failure. This guy isn't an outlier, he's the main stream. And yet its teaching sheep to speak greek when trying to get Democrats and Liberals to understand whey they struggle sooooo hard when the country is fairly left in many regards.
How can you guarantee me that? Is there something in their platform about this, a clear pattern of other Democratic politicians taking this position, or is this just a feeling you've got?
This guy seems like the type that pretends to be on the left, but will switch to the Republicans at the first sign of trouble. He is absolutely hated by his entire left-leaning constituency. Including by all his city reps you can see in the video, their faces clearly show they think he's an idiot.