Indiana judge rules tacos, burritos are sandwiches

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Indiana judge rules tacos, burritos are sandwiches
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Things like this seem silly but there's likely laws or protection that use sandwiches in their wording.

Defining things you want them to apply to as sandwiches is easier than changing the law.

Makes more sense than the time Indiana tried to define pi as 3.2. The only reason it didn't was because a professor from Purdue was in Indianapolis on unrelated business and convinced Indiana's senate to table the bill.

Of course, we know today that such a thing couldn't happen since Indiana's legislature would laugh at the woke lib and pass it just to trigger him.

Well two decimal places invokes the devil, as does rounding correctly.

"sig what now? Sounds like the trans liberal leftist nazi woke agenda to me"

But why do they even have laws about sandwiches in the first place?

Read the article. It's a zoning issue.

Something existing does not answer the question about WHY it exists.

I’m not sure if this particular article explained, but I live here. He signed an agreement that stated that “any food business allowed would be a ‘subway’ style food business”

That’s the issue

Edit: I’m a huge fan of this taco place, just stating what’s going on. I hate subway.

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Could be food safety, taxes, production rules or any number of things.

The article does not mention any sandwich specific laws, just contract stuff about what kind of restaurant can be in a strip mall.

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tacosAreTacos

Damn straight, if you ordered a sandwich in a restaurant and they brought you a burrito or taco.. you'd be really confused and a bit annoyed that you didn't get what you asked for.

This makes some sense as all foods are salads; sandwiches are untossed salads, tacos are untossed taco salads.

https://saladtheory.github.io/

That's bad taxonomy, because then what's a taco salad? It's an untossed taco salad salad. But we still don't know what taco means. So it's becomes an untossed untossed taco salad salad salad. Which becomes an untossed untossed untossed taco salad salad salad salad. We never learn what a taco actually is.

I say there are four categories:

  • "standalones": anything that is only described as itself. Separation just results in smaller versions of itself.
  • sandwiches: organized or layered arrangements of foods. Can typically be separated into it's composing parts.
  • salads: tossed or jumbled arrangements of foods. Could be separated into its parts, albeit cumbersome.
  • sauces: perfectly combined or blended arrangements of foods. Can no longer be separated into its composing parts, but differs from a standalone because it was still composed of other foods, and can still be identified or described as all of the parts.

This falls into a common trap. Because we cannot succinctly define a salad in one sentence we decide that it cannot be defined at all. This argument effectively reducto ad absurdums itself by coming to the conclusion that all foods are salad.

If we start from a position where we discount nothing from being a salad, and we have only salads (and soup, seemingly) to base our analysis on, how can we ever identify the boundaries of salad? The whole argument is based on the flawed premise that anything could be a salad.

I realise that I am thinking too hard about this.

Then what’s a wedge salad? “Ingredients “?

Finally, some legislation from the middle of the country that makes sense.

But also:

Mexican style sandwiches

That's what a Torta is!

Both can be true.

So is a taco a torta?

Sandwich is the more generic word. So a torta is a sandwich, and so is a taco, but a torta is not a taco, and a taco is not a torta. Both of them are specific types of sandwich.

Just like a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle is not a square.

I TOLD YOU! I TOLD YOU ALL!!! EVERYONE LAUGHED WHEN I SAID A HOT DOG ON A BUN IS A SANDWICH WELL WHO'S LAUGHING NOW??

I would have argued with you before today, because a hot dog is clearly a taco. But I guess if tacos are sandwiches, then by the transitive property, it is also a sandwich.

Okay, who will go to court for the cereal soup question next?

First, you need to find a place where soup restaurants have some special privileges compared to normal businesses. Then, just start a soup restaurant there and serve cereal and milk instead.

If you can’t find such a place, then maybe you can ask your local politicians to pass a bill like that. Would be nice if soup restaurants had to pay only half the amount of taxes compared to everyone else. Would be good for the owners, and fun for everyone else to see where the resulting legal battles go. Suddenly, you would find lots of companies selling just about anything and everything as soup and claiming they don’t have to pay the usual taxes.

-Unrest in the Middle East as Israel and Palestine refuse to reconcile

-2 years on, the war in Ukraine has no end in sight

-The climate crisis keeps getting worse

-America debates how to categorize Mexican food

Turns out the rest of the world doesn't stop just because some fucked up shit is happening.

I mean, this is more about a local business being locked out from developing a new location in an area because that are has specific rules about what can be opened in that area (because Political Money) because for some reason only ships that sell sandwiches are allowed to open up in that region.

We think it's because Panera or another major shop being buddy buddy with legislators

You are surprised? We argued over tomatoes being a fruit or vegetable and if they are a vegetable, then ketchup must count as a serving of vegetable. So the argument over tacos and burritos being a sandwich only surprises me in that fact it took so long to argue about it in court.

Also I jerked off this morning. Not nearly so important as war, but definitely nicer.

https://cuberule.com/

  • 1 side is toast
  • 2 sides is a sandwich
  • 3 sides is a taco
  • 4 sides is a taquito
  • 5 sides is a wrap
  • 6 sides is a burrito

Incorrect.

  • 4 sides is sushi / maki
  • 5 sides is a soup / salad bowl
  • 6 sides is a calzone

I prefer my sushi infinite-sided, thank you very much.

Sandwich: 🥪 (two disconnected slices of bread cut from a larger loaf 🍞)

Wrap: 🌯 (one continuous flat bread)

Burger: 🍔 (a halved bun, therefore it's also Chicken Burger, not Chicken Sandwich)

Taco (🌮) feels like belonging broadly in the wrap category being based on flat bread.

I'm sending the cops over to your house right now.

It's worse then that. This all because people didn't want Mexican restaurant in a strip mall what the fuck is wrong with these people?

Is a sub/hoagie a sandwich? Bread is usually connected.

Oh God, why did I get involved

If it is, then a hotdog is a sandwich and that's just nonsense.

It's not two slices of bread from a bigger loaf, so no.

those poor sandwich shop owners are all going to go out of business when they hear the news

those poor sandwich shop owners are all going to go out of business when they hear the news

Yeah, with that hard competition by taco stands...

Hmm, what of rolls? Ciabatta, Kaiser rolls? Even croissants? By this definition it seems they'd be burgers, since rolls are cut in half. But then my roast beef sandwich is a lying, cold, sad burger

You have weird Ciabattas if you think that Ciabatta is a kind of bun and not a bigger loaf. Croissants are pastry. And yes, burgers made with Kaiser rolls are totally burgers:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7a/a3/1c/7aa31c21b7b0f546ea7ebe4ac0a59b12.jpg

But tacos traditionally are more like wraps by your definition, with the exception being hard/crunchy tacos which are on what i would technically call a chip, this making crunchy tacos just portable nachos

Additionally walking tacos are supported by a chip bag, making them neither a taco nor nachos.

Maybe I'm doing injustice here but I've always thought of soft tacos as a lazy wrap.

Hamburgers are a specific style of sandwiches whose name is derived from Hamburg, Germany.

Chicken sandwiches are not hamburgers.

A chicken sandwich is a sandwich when the chicken meat is between two slices of bread cut from a bigger loaf. It's a chicken burger when it's between two halves of a bun.

And as you said, hamburger derives from the German city of Hamburg, so Germans, not Americans, have the authority here.🤪

from a topological perspective, wraps and tacos are two different beasts.

in a wrap, the bread completely surrounds (and encloses) the other ingredients, so theres a 2-dimensional hole involved (which basically means the inside is hollow).

in a taco, no such wholes are present.

you can also distinguish sandwiches from tacos and wraps (since sandwiches involve two pieces of bread, like you said). but unfortunately, you can’t topologically distinguish a burger from a sandwich

This tuling was passed due to a contract obligation to open a sandwich store. These cases are ueually related to regulations. Kind of like when an Irish court ruled that Subway subs are cakes, so higher VAT and sugar tax would apply to them. (In all fairness, the sugar content in the Subway "bread" is several times higher than the max allowed for bread.)

The judge also noted that, despite his ruling, he did not consider the plan commission’s actions to be improper, leaving the door open for an appeal

Appeal that shit immediately. Start a Gofundme. This injustice cannot stand.

We already have the Cube Rule of Food Identification Unifying Theory. Tacos are Tacos. Burritos are Wraps. These guys need to get with the program. We base our food taxonomy on the specific arrangement of carbohydrates like civilized people.

Most participants in this debate are far too preoccupied with the shape or structure of the sandwich, to the point of neglecting what a sandwich is all about. It's simple. A sandwich is when you use bread as a handheld base for prepared foods that would otherwise be too messy to eat with your fingers. A tortilla is a flat bread, ergo handheld burritos and soft tacos are sandwiches.

"Then why isn't pizza an open-faced sandwich?" Because pizza has a crust, not bread. When you take raw dough and bake it along with its toppings or fillings, it may be a pie or a pastry or a pizza or a casserole or some other category I don't care to quibble over. It's not a sandwich.

Obviously there are many sub-categories of sandwiches. A dish isn't necessarily excluded from being a sandwich just because it's also another type of food.

Is a tortilla bread or is it a very floppy cracker? We may need adjudication.

Crackers are crisp and brittle by definition. "Floppy Cracker" is an oxymoron (and potentially a good name for a garage band?).

Would a tostada then be a floppy cracker fried crisp?

No, crackers are a type of bread. Tostadas are cracker versions of tortillas. Corn tortillas are whole grain flat breads.

Pupusas and tamales are like his pizza example where the masa dough is cooked with its fillings. But those are both types of dumplings, which would make pizza an open-faced dumpling 🤔

Finally vindication for what I have argued for years.

Now, if only some brave state will legally define a pizza as a type of sandwich the damn sandwich conservatives can have their comeuppance.

Pizzas are open-faced sandwiches. I learned this in culinary class in high school. Why is it so hard?

Chicago style is a pie.

When does it stop being a sandwich and start being pie? Is a sufficiently cheesy grilled cheese or quesadilla pie also? Your comment has really opened a can of worms for me.

Imo it becomes a pie if the crust is over 2" thick/tall

So is Detroit Style a sandwich or a pie? And is it even a style or a marketing gimmmick?

I think I've even had a few Chicago style pizzas that would count as a soup in a bread bowl.

Mexican American sandwich please! Yes with Cesar's salad and beans and rice.

Does anybody know what the orange-ish sauce in the picture is?

When I go to the place this is about, thats just Red Sauce.

It's hot, like fucking real hot. Like make you reconsider your choices if you put it on your taco too liberally, but it's so good.

Aside from the discussion about whether the taco or burrito constitutes a sandwich, I think the judge made the correct ruling. The retail agreement says no “traditional fast food” can set up shop in that mall, and specifically cites drive thrus and outdoor seating as the reasons.

The strip mall owners probably don’t want businesses taking over common sidewalks or creating more traffic than the shared parking lot can handle. So long as they don’t have those, I don’t see any reason a Mexican food place can’t fit entirely into the leased space.

E: also based on their website this place looks bangin

I read Indiana Jones. That's all I camr here to say.

Goodbye

Flies away

This is just so some NIMBY tools can't ban a burrito place from going into a space that was oddly defined to practically mandate a subway restaurant or other sub shop that isn't explicitly fast food.

Burgers, Hotdogs, Calzones, Tacos, Burritos and the like aren't sandwiches.

Burgers are sandwiches.
Hotdogs are tacos.
Burritos are calzones.

How come taco is it's own style but burrito isn't? I'd say calzone is a burrito.

If one is the other, than what's on which side of the equation doesn't really matter. They're still the same thing.
So sure a calzone is also a burrito. No difference really.

Hotdogs are tacos.

hard disagree. hotdogs are made with leavened bread, tortillas are a flatbread.

hotdogs are an open-faced sandwich.

hotdogs are an open-faced sandwich.

I'm imagining a hot dog balancing on half a bun.

Hot dogs are just very congealed soup with soft croutons on the outside.

Everything is just congealed soup when you really think about it.

It works. my grandpa’s quirky sandwich! Make a kosher hot dog, slice lengthwise, put on a slice of bread, pile high garlic salt and hot sauce, then the second slice. I do think it started off with him trying to make something no one would eat, but my brothers and I jumped on it, especially when it horrified the Moms. He always acted like a little kid with how happy it made him: us kids (even if he was 70+) vs the moms!

Oh I've done something similar! Get some curry ketchup on there and you've got a currywurst sandwich.

That's a sandwich though, the above comment said open face, so it's just a whole hotdog teetering on a cut open half of a hot dog bun.

The top is still open, the bun is split on the bottom.

By that definition, all other sandwiches are open faced unless sealed on every side.

Look up Oki Dog. Definitely a burrito. Then ponder how badly you want one and how direly you'll regret it should you ever eat one.

The most famous Oki creation was--is--the eponymous Oki Dog, a couple of hot dogs wrapped in a tortilla with chili, pickles, mustard, a slice of fried pastrami and a torrent of goopy American cheese--a cross-cultural burrito that’s pretty hard to stomach unless you’ve got the tum of a 16-year-old, but strangely delicious nonetheless. - Jonathan Gold

that's neither a sandwhich nor a burrito. but an abomination.

(Well, okay. technically it's a burrito with a weiner in it. but it's not a hotdog.)(Still an abomination)

I wonder what you would think of the Swedish Tunnbrödrulle...

I’ll try almost any thing once. (There are limits. Fried grubs were like spicy/savory gummy bears. Baby octopus in red curry was amazing. “Live” baby squid was… interesting. Aborted duck egg is a hard nope.)

I suspect it has a lot to do with what else goes in it.

I don't know if I could handle one today but God they were good when I was younger

My local grocery carries hot dog shaped pita bread - that’s the only way we eat hot dogs now, fill em up with onions, chili, relish and mustard!

A hot dog is a gyro

The top level distinction is topology.

Second level could be material categorization.

Legally, at least two of those are sandwiches in the state of Indiana.

the creator of the GIF format says it's pronounced like "Jiff" like the peanut butter, but he's still wrong