Louisiana becomes 1st state to require the Ten Commandments be posted in classrooms

bquintb@midwest.social to politics @lemmy.world – 600 points – Louisiana becomes 1st state to require the Ten Commandments be posted in classrooms
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Do they want Baphomet in their schools? Because this is how you get Baphomet in your schools.

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“The purpose is not solely religious,” Sen. J. Adam Bass, R-Bossier City, told the Senate. Rather, it is the Ten Commandments' "historical significance, which is simply one of many documents that display the history of our country and foundation of our legal system.”

There is NO WAY to say this with a straight face. We all know what you're fucking doing, just admit it.

Ah, yes. Very foundational to our legal system. The First Commandment (using the version usually touted by evangelicals):

You shall have no other gods.

That's why we didn't pass the Bill of Rights with the US Constitution. Because the First Amendment there states people shall have freedom of religion, and that would contradict the First Commandment.

Very foundational to our legal system.

Given our political attitude towards Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, and Pagans, I honestly don't detect a lie.

In America you can have any religion you want, so long as its the correct one.

The next four Commandments to round out the top five are foundational to our legal system, although none of these prohibitions is actually enshrined in any of our laws:

  1. You shall not make idols.
  2. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
  3. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
  4. Honour your father and your mother.

Yeah, and they’re trying to codify those (except they’d love it if you’d idolize them for “saving” you)

it is the Ten Commandments' "historical significance, which is simply one of many documents that display the history of our country and foundation of our legal system.”

Alright, so let's put them up right next to the Hammurabi Code, which is also majorly significant to history and our legal system. Maybe highlight the part about how Hammurabi was chosen by the Babylonian gods as the ultimate arbiter of justice.

Marduk rules, man.

Fuck Marduk. All my homes hate Marduk. Apsu was right about those rowdy kids all along!

Then certainly he will want to post the Mayflower Compact which says "to each according to their needs from each according to their means".

We historically feared satanism too. Should probably post their commandments “so that the kids know what to watch for”. Right next to the biblical ones.

  1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
  2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
  3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
  4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
  5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
  6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
  7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
  8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
  9. Do not harm little children.
  10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
  11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

Satanism is weird. Let’s use The Satanic Temple tenets instead:
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

And I think you forgot the following:

VIII

Remember to vote every Christofascist out of your congressional system on Election Day. They are in violation of your Freedom of Religion right.

Much more cringe-worthy than the Bible ones, to be honest.

Oh yea things like, 'not harming children' , and 'do not rape', are cringe. Good thing, the based Christian bible allows you do those things.

I'm more talking about "your lair", "the mating signal", and "destroy him". Deeply, deeply cringey.

It's because it's Satanism and not the Satanic Temple.

Satanism (usually referring to Levayan Satanism) is for libertarian edge-lords. This is the flavor of Satanism the phrase "Do as thou wilt" comes from.

The Satanic Temple is for based secular people (they don't believe in a literal Satan) who support the separation of church and state, and bodily autonomy, etc. They spend a lot of money on legal tests of issues exactly like this article. Donate to them!

It's edgy neck beard shit. The whole philosophy is reactionary and shouldnt be taken seriously. Living as an anti- anything is pathetic and cringe.

It’s the power of belief. When you train your brain to take things on faith despite of evidence, that’s what you get.

These tools probably actually believe this country was founded on "the" ten commandments, even if the secular founding and the freedom FROM religion flies right in the fact. The first of "the" ten commandments and the First Amendment come into conflict right away. Their silly fanfic has their god Jehovah/Allah/Yahweh declaring there is to be no other god but him. Meanwhile, my First Amendment means I don't have to give a flying fuck what they say their god says.

Going by memory of Captain Obvious' guide book:

So... He's bearing false witness about some stolen traditions (Jewish) & made in to a graven image.

If I had to guess, I would bet he worships cash & oppression more than Jaweh. I could be wrong. It could be pedophilia, like most vocally puritanical types.

What did I miss? 3/10 isn't great. The fourth is just guess & conjecture.

I demand the Magna Carta and the Code of Hammurabi be posted, using the same argument.

if it's not religious, why would you legally enshrine it? What other fucking reason do you have? The schools can just buy their own fucking copy of it ffs.

There is obviously going to be a lawsuit to stop this if the governor signs off. It seems to fly directly in the face of the constitution.

It does fly in the face of the constitution, and multiple SCOTUS' have affirmed exactly that several times.

Aha but this time we will find out which of the plaintiffs or some amicus curiae can afford the better RV.

Yeah but we don’t have a SCOTUS anymore, we have a group of fascist fucks doing what the dollar tells them

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It will be overturned after months of totally unnecessary court wrangling.

LA lawmakers will then say "we tried to enact your will, voters, but those godless fat cats in DC wouldn't let us!"

Meanwhile said lawmakers will make no actual attempt to fix the status quo, and the wrangling and debate will ensure entrenched powers stay in power.

It clearly does, and allowing this to be enforced clearly breaks precedent, but with how the Supreme Court is now who knows what will happen.

Actually, it doesnt. The SCOTUS will say that the 1A only limits federal powers, not state.

man its a good thing the feds can't mandate what the states can do...

Not sure if you're being facetious, but that was the entire point of Dobbes

not once has the fed ever said to a state that the state couldn't do anything ever, it's never happened.

Not once. Don't ask texas about secession.

Sounds like you might be entirely ignorant of our current political landscape.

The road to Hell is paved with people saying "stop overreacting!!"

and the road to fascism is paved with people overreacting. Yeah i've heard it all.

Stop being sensational and we can have a serious discussion about the current political climate.

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Time to post 10 commandments in Arabic and watch MAGA meltdown

Not even that complicated; just invite a religious scholar to explain what Jesus said, starting with caring for hungry people and immigrants and in general literally just what he taught and what he cared about

They'll shut that shit down like a female student with unpermitted clothing

Oh they'll invite a "scholar" all right. The southern Baptist militia chaplain would love to preach to some kids.

Wouldn't even be the first time this month that a bunch of religious zealots and government thugs stormed a school full of peace-loving hippies and dragged them off by their hair.

Just post the laws from Leviticus right next to them to make it clear nobody follows this.

Don't wear cloth of mixed fabric was my favorite of god's laws.

It's curious how many xtians eat shrimp. And cheeseburgers, ffs. Against their god's law.

Do it in original Hebrew to really have some fun.

i'm pretty sure this is illegal?

Can we get someone on this?

It’s certainly illegal. But Louisiana is in the fifth circuit court of appeals, which is hilariously conservative. That’s the same court that covers Texas, and a few other southern states. Packing the fifth circuit with conservatives was a large part of the Southern Strategy. Now the appeals court is packed with hardline conservative judges. Whenever you hear about appeals courts being blatantly biased for conservatives, it’s almost always the fifth circuit.

So yeah, it’s illegal. But even if Louisiana courts strike it down, the fifth circuit appeals judge will likely reinstate it as soon as it crosses their desk.

There's also a theory that the 5th circuit exists to make terrible rulings so that the Supreme Court can overturn it but do it in such a way that it still advances some horrible agenda.

Something along the lines of:

5th Circuit: You can totally post the ten commandments in schools, because hoorah Jesus!

Supreme Court: You can't actually post the the ten commandments in all schools, just the private ones, oh and by the way it's totally cool and legal to drain all the funding out of public schools and give it to private schools.

You have to be careful, though. In the wrong hands, philosophy can be a dangerous thing.

Keep promoting ideas like "Thou Shalt Not Kill", "Keep the Sabbath Holy", and "Don't Worship False Idols", and people might start thinking all our wars, our insane work schedules, and our fetishistic consumer culture aren't good.

Given the habits of your average Louisiana legislator, you might want to scrap the Seventh Commandment entirely.

Sorry, they don't want to follow the Commandments, they just want other people to do so.

WHY the fucking Ten Commandments??? All the sensible shit is already the law in every society, and the rest is just god being a whiney little insecure bitch

Its really helpfull for brainwashing children. Lesson learned from the Taliban

For a group that constantly complains about people indoctrinating children, they sure do love indoctrinating children.

They needed a church thing their idiot constituents would recognize. They don't actually follow their religion to know more obscure things. It's not actually about the 10 commandments, it's about being performative.

Time to go donate to TST and the FFRF, peeps.

They are performative; they are not your protection.

that's explicitly not true but ok.

I dunno, I know a couple lawyers who insist that TST is a complete sham making frivolous lawsuits. I'm kinda bummed about it because I used to be a donor.

what else are you supposed to do, not make frivolous lawsuits to make a point? You just sit there and go "damn, you got me this time bro"

Baphomet! Baphomet! Baphomet!

Last I knew, nobody was committing genocide in the name of Baphomet or Satan Lucifer...or pretty much any god except the Dommy Abrahamic Sky Daddy.

How can these people say they love America, the Constitution, and the Founding Fathers when they're doing the opposite of what they wanted? Every religious law added to government sets us 100 years back.

it's actually very simple. The Republicans in charge are evil and don't care, while their followers are too uneducated to know any better.

Easy, they don't GAF about any of that. They care about as much as they do about the "rule of law" and for "family values".

As long as this is posted right up next to it.

I think those are the Church of Satan principles.

Some may prefer the Satanic Temple's tenets: https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets

Either way, I agree, LA should be required to put up the beliefs of all religions if it will require even one.

Oh, they are. But right now, there are those that view the Satanic Temple as a publicity stunt, so it doesn't have as much of an impact as it used to. Post the actual Church of Satan principles if you really want to rustle some feathers.

Please no. CoS is basically narcissism as a religious cult. TST are the ones doing the real work. And having actual common sense rules up there rather than edgy bullshit is going to do far more good.

TST lawsuit in 3... 2...

Unfortunately CoS existed first by a few decades. Thankfully you can't use IP protections for a religion so TST just tries to ignore them.

I was suggesting TST would be suing Louisiana for access to hang their articles, not suing CoS for IP violations.

The article uses the term "1st state to" like they're about to start some kind of domino effect of similar requirements across other states.

I fear the implication may be correct.

I don't want to donate to the opposition, I want to ban anyone pushing anti constitution bullshit like this from government for life. Why is there no consequences for this?

It always amuses me when these pseudo-Christians have to reach back to the Old Testament to justify their fascist foaming - it's almost as if the parts that are actually based on Christ contains nothing of value to them.

What is funny to me is that the part of the Bible they ignore is the Christian half. The old testament is closer to the Quran or Torah then they probably realize...

We, the worshipers of Enlil, shall not be denied our representation!

The Students of the Land known as Louis-anna shall learn of the Mooring Rope Between Heaven and Earth!

If I were a teacher in that state, I would definitely hide it somewhere where students never look if they don't have rules on where it has to be placed. That, or if a student vandalized it, I would pretend not to see it and when asked why it's vandalized, just play dumb.

Re-reading the first four makes it seem like God is a very insecure individual.

God's fragile vindictiveness is one of the few consistencies in the Bible.

The Big Ten were written at a time when paganism/animism was the dominant religious view and the idea of monotheism was weird and foreign. You really had to hammer those home early on, because one minute you're up on a mountain having the acid trip spiritual moment to define a millennium and the next you're down in the valley watching all your friends jerk off to a big bronze bull just like you told them not to!

When your parish flock is that prone to stray, I'm almost surprised they don't have a few more.

I hope it will be posted on classrooms with appropriate historical context and commentary. Also aren't there different versions of the ten commandments anyway depending on your exact religion?

Wow you guys are skipping middle age entirely and jumping straight to Hammurabi. Great job!

Quick! I NEED someone to shoot up a bunch of 6 year olds so I can PRETEND to Care about the Constitution again!

Pretty sure the separation of church and state has something to say about this.

They'll be quick to tell you that the Constitution doesn't actually explicitly state they should be separated. And what it really means is no one can stop them from proselytizing because that would prohibit the free exercise of religion. Of course they'll also tell you there is no religion other than the 1853 convention of Eastern sect Southern Baptists. Everything else is a heretical lie that needs to be burned.

could you imagine a society that is run under the rules of the Moses theocracy from Leviticus

"simply one of many documents that display the history of our country and foundation of our legal system."

The Magna Carta:

skeleton underwater meme

Nice picture frame with large letters stating legally required 10 commandments. And then below that in mini font the text and little manlgnifying glass on a rope.

And here's news: if you are appalled by this and you are NOT buying a gun and learning how to use it then you are an absolute fucking idiot. If you come on here and start pissing and moaning about "ammosexuals" and "2A fantasies" and whatnot then you are a fucking idiot. NONE of those assholes care about your rights or your feefees or about "the law" or voting; they hate you and want to kill you and they are desperately waiting for someone to give them the word. If you are NOT ARMING UP FOR PROTECTION then you will get the boxcar you deserve.

do you run a local militia? How many armored vehicles do you have there?

also, BOXCAR? ARE YOU COMPARING THIS TO THE FUCKING NAZIS? BRO THIS IS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS!

You really, really, REALLY do not understand any of this. It has nothing at all to do with militias. It will be your neighbors committing violence against your other neighbors with the state's blessing. And yes I am absolutely comparing them to the Nazis as any reasonable, rational, sensible person should do if they dont want to wind up in the aformentioned boxcar.

It will be your neighbors committing violence against your other neighbors with the state’s blessing.

that's a really weird way to say "the government is going to take your rights"

Any reasonable person would compare the US with the fucking naizs? What am i reading bro? Are we referring to republicans as nazis here? Because i'm more inclined to believe you, but i still wouldn't go that far.

What is a little pew pew gun going to do against organized terror with the government's blessing?

And that kind of thinking is exactly why you will be boxcar'd IT IS NOT A BATTLE ON A
FIELD

Always been a gun owner, they would have done nothing for me in any of my arrests except get me killed or get police officers killed and place me in prison for likely life..

You won't be able to shoot police officers when they come to arrest you and walk free. An actual militia will not happen again in the u.s.

Again, you're focusing on "the authorities". You're going to need them against civilians. But this just reinforces my point: you dont know who you're dealing with.

Mate, you might need to take some time off the Internet for awhile. I hope everything goes well for you and all is good.

Lol I agree with you, but there's other posts in here that will get you better traction than this one. I recently saw one about a lawmaker proposing a national registry of pregnant people. That one would have an audience more amendable to the point that they really do want to dominate and exterminate their enemies.

Though effective opposition requires organization, armed or not. The organizations that would be used for armed resistance when necessary are only marginally different from the organizations fighting for positive change within the system right now.

The thing is that its all incremental. Liberals here should understand how incrementalism works because they propose it all the fucking time. Commandments in schools is the basis for pregnancy registrations and then killing or imprisoning gays and then government-sanctioned white supremacy etc etc. There are not enough reasonable people to stop this. There is no situation in which the creep to fascism ended without lots of violence. I'll be fine; I'm white and in a very tolerant area....but I come from the places where the fascists are breeding and mark my words: liberals absolutely DO NOT UNDERSTAND who they're dealing with. Most of the murders of "undesirables" won't even make the local news, and certainly won't be investigated or prosecuted.

Oh trust me, I understand how fascism and these sorts of things works. The vast majority of people will be surprised if the US experiences some kind of genocide or civil war. But that's just it, the average person has a hard time seeing it coming, so you can't raise the alarm on things that seem innocuous. They'll think you're crazy. You have to point at the really fucked up stuff happening right now so they can imagine what would happen if those people got their way.

In any case, we still have time to change course, and this post would be a good one for getting people politically organized and fighting that way, since they have a hard time understanding how this sort of thing leads to violence.