Public opinion seems to be souring on all the big corporate social media sites, and I truly think if we're able to get the word out about federated social media platforms, people will jump ship.
Also, it's hard to dislike a platform that isn't showing ads, selling user data, or generally making decisions for the enrichment of shareholders.
It’s so weird, I don’t even notice the lack of ads most of the time (pihole, never leave home, so it’s roughly the same experience I'm used to)
But when I go out? Oh man fediverse is the only site I’ll use because I know it’s safe from ads. The other privacy/user-focus stuff is just a bonus.
(I don’t have any friends around here, so just sort of go out to be out, and usually for food)
Inevitably there will be a fediverse instance with ads, but whether or not people want to use it will be up to the individual.
As long as the ads don’t federate in an un-blockable way, they can do as they like. I wouldn’t make an account there, I’d rather donate actual money than have a degraded experience (which for sure works out better for everyone), but I get the drive to monetize.
And they should absolutely -not- be allowed to federate ads, for any reason, since it goes against the vibe. But inevitably there will be “sponsored posts” (probably already are), and I think those instances/users will see themselves fade to oblivion, as long as new users are brought to understand that they could just chip in $2 and never see an ad.
I use Boost and it has ads. But they're ignorable as a banner here and there, not constantly. I can live with that.
Is Boost really that much better than Eternity or Voyager that you put up with ads?
I like it.
Fair enough :)
What you can do is install wireguard server at home and then set your phone to use that wireguard connection always. That's what I do and then my pihole at home filters all my mobile traffic as well.
I usually have a private vpn. It’s just isn’t always up. And I can’t be bothered to have it maintained most times because I’m not in control.
I’m considering setting it up through my router which has a built in option, so I don’t have to rely on my third party, but honestly I almost never leave pihole protected networks. So not a priority.
You don't need an entire VPN just to block ads. I use RethinkDNS on Android and it blocks ads in most apps.
The vpn doesn’t block ads or do really anything, it just routes all my traffic back to my home network so I’m using my pihole for DNS.
I’m not about to install even more crap to do a half-ass job when I could just renew my certificate and pass it along for config, and be done with it and never get ads in any app, home or not.
I’m just lazy, and it doesn’t really come up all that often.
I honestly don't think we're there yet.
Remember, something like more than half of all people still don't use an ad-blocker - some people want ads, or at least want that they provide money to keep the service going, and similarly with selling user data (to the extent that people bother to think about it at all).
Never underestimate the level of entitlement thinking on behalf of new users - like, "Which instance do I join? Wait, I have to choose!? Nvm, I'm out already." (and for Mastodon, this has much greater implications than for Lemmy)
Also, one single reply to a comment in chapotraphouse on hexbear.net, followed by a second reply somewhere on Lemmy.ml, almost made me turn away from social media entirely, thinking that this place was fast becoming not really all that different than Reddit after all - I mean, these are leftists, aka liberals, these are/must be my people, right, R-R-RIGHT!?
The Fediverse is not for the uninitiated, and requires significant setup work to even be pleasant much less enjoyable, depending on where you go and the users' innate level of insensitivity.
Though you and many others are working tirelessly to make it better by offering great content - thanks!:-)
As someone who is much more centrist/liberal, I had to block a whole bunch of leftist communities recently just so that I could keep enjoying the Fediverse. I would have greatly prefered not to, but so much of leftist content on here is far too cynical to any other position.
Even if they were correct, the maner of their interactions makes them wrong, especially the hostility.
Also, being a liberal in America is somewhat similar to being a conservative in Europe, I am told - i.e., "leftist" is a term relative to one's local surrounding environment. Maybe one day I will become more leftist, although ironically all the leftist comments here are making me start to lean the opposite direction (it would be different if someone explained the positions, rather than simply dunked on everyone who does not share them - groupthink is not a valid way to arrive at Truth, especially when applied in the format of bullying behaviors to outsiders rather than merely acceptance of the in-crowd).
”Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise.
" - Karl Popper
The only reason u see them constantly dunking on everyone is because all the truthfull factual backed up with evidence replies they get get censored if it has a single thing to do the hexbear or .ml. Idk how they do it but a replete to .ml on a .world community can be censored by .ml but replete to that censored comment still work fine. .ml selectively federates the modlog as well to hide admin abuse. They will ban u from every .ml community for 1 comment disagreeing politically especially if u have evidance proving them wrong.
We have tried countering them by rational argument and public opinion but that is failing. We canot tolerate the intolerance of tankies ob lemmy.
I have stopped recommending Lemmy to people, bc I would be embarrassed for a new user to come here, get bullied as I have been (far more than happened on Reddit), and blame me like "you recommended me to talk to that crowd!?"). Kbin.social was different bc those communities were blocked from the start - at an instance level even - though that server has been down for days, and now I see it's back up and full of advertisement posts as usual, bc many mods abandoned their communities due to all the technical problems with the service.
But there is hope for change in the future, in terms of perhaps making getting dunked on an opt-in rather than as it currently is an opt-out feature delivered to members of the Fediverse with little to no warning. e.g. here is a discussion I had with an instance admin. Progress, since so many of us joined the Fediverse since the Rexodus, has been (understandably) slow, but can happen, if we work at it!
For the lowest common denominator social media user, the bar is even lower. As long as everyone else they follow and care about is on the platform, they will happily move. They won’t even care that they will be free from ads and tracking because they never cared in the first place.
Fediverse is the future of the internet
You might inspire some of us to create a Facebook, Instagram, X account just to spread the word of the Fediverse.
Gonna be honest, a lot of times I feel like I don't belong here, I'm still figuring things out. I'm not a "techy" type person (that seems to be some kind of prerequisite) and I barely know how to explain the fediverse to the layman, but I left reddit when they fucked over Joey (my preferred reddit app) and read enough to give reddit the middle finger and never look back. It's been nice, really. I spend more time outside of the internet now. But I believe in the fediverse, I think it's the right thing to do. I still check up on lemmy daily, but I get much more value and human connection and only spend the time that is appropriate on lemmy instead of endlessly scrolling. Most days I end up in some Wikipedia rabbit hole. Just like the good ol' days. Learning new things, meeting new people. That's what I love about the internet.
It's what we all loved about the internet I think, before the web become... "that" (looking at the pile of shit the web has become).
But actually it's not the web, not really. It's the big tech platforms that most people seem to think is the internet now. It's sad to watch how people log on to "Facebook" and not the general web anymore. And then Google in front of everything, like a big cancer growth.
Lemmy is not the new internet either I believe. But it's here to show people that something else can exist. As soon as we let advertising in here though, it's over.
The beautiful thing about decentralisation is that if an instance tries to as ads, then you can go to a different instance and see the same content.
If an instance creates as posts, your instance admin can block the whole instance.
Interestingly, the big instances seem to easily get enough donations to cover costs. I think that's the great thing about this model, people are willing to donate when they know it's not some big corporate making profit for shareholders.
adding to the old internet thing, using mojeek reminds me of the old search results! searched for something mildly obscure, actually got good results and also a porn site lmfao.
there's a safe mode if it's of use: nested in the settings gear menu but also on /preferences (to turn it on for all searches)
thanks peakjeek
I think the answer is not to gatekeep against advertising actively, but to have a platform that is resilient to that kind of thing. Like, if there were advertising on an instance people would fucking BOUNCE I think. And if it got somehow baked into the platform itself there would be a new fork with the advertising excised before the sun went down.
I'm not sure about that. What if advertising were used to cover server costs, just like donations right now? Then the community may be fine with it.
But I think it's very dangerous to go down that route. Because it's going to become about higher profits, not just covering costs, in the long run.
I don't know either, but so far not a single instance has even tried to my knowledge. I have a very hard time imagining people being okay with it.
As long as the ads are good ads, I'm using Adnauseaum to block most though.
Honestly this is great, non-techy people making the transition is a good sign and something the system needs to gain mainstream appeal.
Also, people who aren't techy are less likely to accept hacky workaround BS and complain until it's fixed on a system-wide level, and that's needed to mature the platform to something anyone can use. It's getting there but it's still got a lot of rough edges.
I enjoyed reading this. I came over from reddit when they started banning people for protesting. That showed me that reddit was not what I thought it is.
I‘m a techy person. I run servers for friends and customers, partly with fediverse services on them. Lemmy being one of them. I donate both time and money to lemmy and other services I enjoy and use.
The fediverse is a great thing imo. I hope it succeeds.
Gonna be honest, a lot of times I feel like I don't belong here, I'm still figuring things out.
I left reddit when they fucked over Joey (my preferred reddit app)
Are you me? I thought I was relatively tech-savvy, and then I moved to Lemmy. Also, Joey was the best.
It's easy to feel that way even if you are a techy. It seems like being minimally neurodivergent is the abnormal here.
That being said, I've been introduced to many different ways of thinking that I wouldn't have gained otherwise. Think of it like you're different, but that's ok because everyone here is different - and that makes them (and you) all the more beautiful for it (especially in the context of idea exchange). In fact, being the different one here will give you the perspective that many of the people who use Lemmy experience simply by existing which, in and of itself, is a valuable thing.
Everyone being nd would explain a lot of why this place feels way better than Reddit for me lol
A way I have found to explain federated social media to people, that seems to work is this: Imagine reddit, but instead of one company, with one administration, owning the whole site, it is a bunch of different reddits, that are independently run, that choose which other reddits they wish to associate themselves with. When you log into one instance, you automatically can see, and interact with, all the other ones that one chooses to associate with. You can have accounts on as many instances as you would like, even having accounts on instances that do no associate with each other.
I just say: "It's like email. There are different email servers, but they can all talk to one another. If there are things you really like, you can subscribe to them, and if there are things you don't like, you can block them."
Or replace "email" with "instant messages".
left when i saw too many reposts and way too many story-comments i was sure i'd seen before
which led me to realise reddit has been completely astroturfed
Oh yes, good point. That's a big part of my problem when it came to my reddit experience in the end. I mean shit, I was a redditor since 2009. It was hard to leave but also not.
Hey, I also was a Joey user. I am pretty tech savvy (I'm a software dev and a former sys admin). I'm not a Linux daily user though, so I still understand that out of place feeling. Like I have used Linux for things, but after working on my computer all day for work, I don't exactly want to deal with roadblocks or tinkering on my computer in the evening.
I have also noticed that I spend less time scrolling on here than I did on Reddit, which is a good thing for me. It's a place where I can satisfy that itch without getting lost in scrolling of posts or comment sections for hours.
Admins. Thank you.
Users. Thank you.
Mods?
Too busy abusing their mod powers to enforce their political views in most communities.
That sounds like me in World News exactly. Excellent assessment.
(I'm even more draconian in Lemmy Shitpost.)
And in 10Forward you're absolutely brutal, keeping the comm in constant fear. You rule with an iron tentacle.
I'm going to go over there and ban you now for this.
Ban you FOR THE GLORY OF THE EMPIRE!
im taking a shit
This is what Lemmy is all about, right here. Just a good, honest nutsack taking a simple shit.
Same
nice
Add me to the shit list
Added
Ehh. What's the average age around here? I'm guessing it wasn't the youth that migrated from Reddit.
Old fucker. Your lot taught me an absurd amount of shit on IRC.
I'm 41.
I predate IRC and even web pages. I used telnet talkers!
Fuck it all.
In my mid IRC days I met Suzeran. She was fantastic. Ostensibly a man, but he identified as a young woman. Others in our group were furries or (why the fuck is furry a real word) whatever for the time. Dunno, but our old internet culture was about people, not politics.
So was mine. I mostly hung out in a largely gay men talker, and despite me being neither I made friends I still have today.
Yeah, it's kinda nuts what we dealt with and/or loved.
My most awkward was a bro named Bronson. He made a joke anti-cuban song. He passed way too early. The Cuban bro that spawned the song was the person who told me about 9/11. "We're under attack"
I did my best, but we were poor.
18 here
I’m 33. Joined up during the APIcalypse and ensuing exodus from Reddit.
Look at the baby over here. I remember 33... Actually not really.
Some sorta survey/census for the fediverse might be cool
We've had lots of them. It's depends on the community but we're generally older than r/, more female then you think, and slightly to very 'techie'.
I'm not that young, but sometimes I see people here refer to their childhoods, and then I feel like a baby.
Now I feel old because my childhood was basically over before Reddit was born. Am I already old at 33? Gross!
33 old? Nah. 30s are just the start of actual adulthood (as opposed to young adulthood).
I am 17 lol
I am in my mid 20s the kids call me old and the adults call me a kid.
Im interested in this as well
I think it'll be skewed based on reasons people are here.
I still haven’t been able to give up reddit but I have always been a lurker there. Here I’m trying to make a conscious effort to participate in conversations. I’m trying to be positive, kind, and thoughtful because that’s what I want lemmy to be.
I started to think of Reddit as just an occasional Google search result necessary evil and have successfully ignored it ever since. Log off DKC, there's a better world out there.
In all seriousness I think eventually conventional social media will start to feel very siloed like AOL did as more people join the fediverse. I can't imagine using a site that I couldn't look at everything from anymore, save for stupid ass Facebook which I do solely for sovcit material. Why would I want to look at crap ads and AI when I can be here?
I started to think of Reddit as just an occasional Google search result necessary evil and have successfully ignored it ever since.
This is my experience. I try to search elsewhere, but consistently still find good info there. Only when I exhaust other options I go crawling back.
Oh it's no biggie if you use it to deshittify Google. It is there, after all. Just treat it like ghetto Wikipedia and don't hang around. Haha.
Thank you!
Similar here. Reddit has become, for better or worse, just another Facebook. I include in my search queries when I need. I get in for specific communities and get out immediately afterwards.
The thing that I love most about Lemmy and the wider Fediverse is the sense of actual community. Many of the users feel like actual people I could meet in real life. It's essentially a digital cafe. Sure as hell not going back to Reddit or those other shit Big Tech sites.
Every day I am thankful for the work that has been done. It is life changing.
That's it! I post a lot (you're welcome all) and I feel like I have friends I talk to in the comments every day.
Yeah, Reddit was like that about a decade or more ago.
The current level of bot activity there is actually insane.
What I like about the fedi is I don't care if it's a "success" in the same sense that the closed social media sites have to be. It's not like this project has quarterly profit targets to hit or else it'll have to enshittify or else the investors pull out and we're all screwed because there's no more app.fediverse.com monolith or whatever.
Nah it's just us doing our thing and enjoying ourselves. The activity around here already reached a critical mass a while ago, to the point that there's more content than I could hope to enjoy, so anything from here is vegan gravy.
Just out of curiosity, how much does it cost per month to run a Lemmy instance? Not that I'd want to do that myself, I'm just grateful for our admins that keep Lemmy up and running.
feddit.uk clocks in at under £40/month. That's hosting, and backups. lemmy.zip is similar.
Plus our time, but we're obviously doing it as a labour of love.
You can rent an instance for like 10 dollars per month and grow from there. Then expand if you get users and things get slow. Lemmy runs ok on 4 GB of memory but it's better with 8 GB. Postgres use the most.
It depends. I run an instance with a whole two users and it costs me about $25 a month.
But if I let 200 users join, I would need beefier hardware and a higher bandwidth limit.
However running an instance like Beehaw is probably on the order of hundreds, not thousands of dollars a month.
I'd certainly be interested to know for the sake of donations. I would gladly donate to keep the fediverse alive.
It varies greatly depending on your setup.
Lemmy.world's monthly expenses are around €1,200. Though that includes hosting more services that just Lemmy. https://blog.mastodon.world/
At one point Reddthat.com was considering moving to a bigger server that would cost A$150-200 per month: https://reddthat.com/post/8840079
Ayy Lemmy.zip :)
I'm curious as well. I want to selfhost a personal instance, but CGNAT is getting on the way. I can always pay for VPS, but then the recent shenanigans involving CSAM images potentially being synced from rogue instances scared me.
Just trying to take it easy for all those sinners.
Im just here for the memes
I know that you will
Everyone one of my shitposts is making history
Hey, shitposts are like manure that helps other posts grow.
I lurk!! But, thanks y'all.
Not anymore!
Every minute you use lemmy, spez's penis becomes 1 millimeter smaller
I'm here to argue! It's my passtime 😎
Someone's gotta make toxic sludge!
I'm here to argue!
No you aren't! :)
It's my passtime
Also, it's spelled "pastime".
First of all, let me make one thing perfectly clear: the only reason we’re even having this conversation is because of the mindless adherence to so-called "standard" spelling rules. This notion that "pastime" is the only correct spelling is not just pedantic, it's intellectually lazy. It's a testament to how rigid and unimaginative people can be when it comes to the evolution of language.
Let's break this down, shall we? "Passtime" makes perfect sense if you actually think about it. The word is derived from the concept of "passing time." When you say "passtime," you're capturing the very essence of what you're doing: engaging in an activity to pass the time. It's straightforward, logical, and intuitive. Meanwhile, "pastime" reeks of historical baggage, a relic from an era when spelling was inconsistent and chaotic. Why should we be bound by outdated conventions that don’t even reflect the way we speak or think today?
Moreover, English is a living, breathing language. It's constantly evolving, incorporating new words, and adapting to the needs of its speakers. The insistence on "pastime" over "passtime" is a perfect example of how resistant people are to change. It’s this kind of rigid thinking that stifles creativity and hinders progress. If everyone thought like you, we'd still be saying "fridge" as "refrigerator" and "pram" as "parambulator" Oh wait, some people still do—another clear sign of the arbitrary nature of these so-called rules.
And let’s talk about the sheer arrogance of your correction. Do you honestly believe that enforcing archaic spelling rules somehow makes you superior? That by pointing out a minor spelling variation, you’re contributing to the betterment of society? Newsflash: language is meant to communicate ideas and emotions, not to be a tool for condescending gatekeepers to wield as a weapon against those who don't adhere to their narrow-minded views.
If anything, "passtime" is a much-needed innovation. It reflects a more modern, practical approach to spelling. It's high time we embrace such changes instead of clinging to antiquated norms. So, before you jump in to correct someone's spelling next time, maybe take a moment to consider the possibility that the language is evolving—and that it's okay for it to do so. Your desperate need to enforce obsolete rules only showcases a fear of change and a lack of understanding of the dynamic nature of English.
In conclusion, your correction of "passtime" to "pastime" is not just unnecessary; it’s a glaring display of linguistic conservatism. We don’t need your permission to innovate and improve our language. So kindly take your pedantry elsewhere, and let the rest of us enjoy the richness and flexibility of English without being bogged down by outdated and arbitrary rules.
Not sure why you are downvoted +4/-5. Your reply was perfect.
Thank You, BotM! I migrated here from the corporate social medias as soon as I was aware. I'm still transferring my OC over from IG (not an easy task) to Pixelfed. And I use similar talking points to inform people, often about the very existence of a non-comercial social media. Very few people, maybe 2, since July '23 have even heard of the Fediverse. We shall persist!
I'm just learning about Pixelfed from your comment. Any suggestions on where to start or instances to subscribe to?
I signed on to https://social.photo/. And I'm sure I had darned good reasons for doing so at the time. LoL With federation, I'm not really sure it matters which instance one signs onto, as long as it's not some tankie/nazi crap, of course. And of course one could self host one's own instance.
It appears to me that, because of the absence of advertising, it is incumbent upon individuals to 'evangelize' and spread the fedi-gospel. :-D
I truly believe the fediverse is the future. People will tire of the AI and all that nonsense and fade away from all the big sites.
For Lemmy.world a donation would help keep it alive without all the crap. Servers are cheaper then they were, but still not cheap.
OMG! Thank you so much ❤️❤️❤️
It's not easy keeping things up sometimes, but we're always looking for ways to deliver more for less, while still keeping things snappy.
It's hard, but without the community, we would just be some nerds with too much time on our hands 😅
Much love for y'all!!!
Yeah but on the other hand Lemmy world sucks and it would be good for the overall health of the Fediverse if they ran out of money and had to shut down. Give that donation to a smaller instance who actually needs it. World is already the biggest and they don't need to get bigger.
I don't think we should be wishing for the demise of the largest Lemmy instance. However, I definitely agree that focusing resources towards growing small and medium sized instances is good for the fediverse.
They're made too many bad decisions. The only reason people use them is they're the biggest, not because they have a good admin team or even a good gimmick.
considering that this is a bsd user, yeah makes sense.
Coming from a self hoster, shits up when it's up. Otherwise it's down.
I charge nothing and you expect no guarantees of service :)
"the future of social media" reminds me of "the year of the Linux desktop". Like, what does that mean to you?
The most obvious explanation is that you think it will overtake corporate social media entirely. Or even exist anywhere on the same level. But that seems unrealistic.
Yeah, but we've been on this stressful ride before, and we know where it ends.
There were lots of attempts at a closed source proprietary Internet protocol. They have all resoundly failed, after looking unbeatable. Some folks still fondly remember the closed Internet protocols like OLE COM, ActiveX, Flash, Cold Fusion, and SilverLight, but few of us miss them. Okay, I do miss Flash games.
Good touchscreen phone operating systems were a "will this ever be matched?" trade secret at Blackberry and Apple. Now the vast majority of phones run open source Android.
Much earlier, most good-enough C compilers were expensive proprietary closed source products. Now I see very little being compiled on anything other than the free and open source GCC. Even most other programming languages and tools are now FOSS, as well. I can't think of much for development that cracks the top 20 that isn't FOSS. JetBrains IDEs stand out as a lone closed source hold-out.
Open standards always win, in the end.
The desktop computing default is honestly way overdue to switch to FOSS. That's why it's the year of the Linux desktop.
The Fediverse is here to stay, and is all that'll be left in a couple decades. But in the meantime, it's cozy!
Now the vast majority of phones run open source Android.
to be fair, this was almost certainly a reaction to the iphone. Still open, so there's that.
Seems like the cycle is either:
someone has a good idea, it's open source.
someone has a good idea, it's closed source, someone else makes something similar, but open source.
Yep. It often takes quite awhile. And I honestly don't mind supporting innovators who want to sell something closed but really good.
But as I get older, and watch the pattern over and over, I'm starting to appreciate skipping the cycle by directly adopting the open thing as early as I can.
yeah, the general rule of thumb seems to be that if it's universal, it needs to be open. The farther niche it goes, the less open it has to be, on principle of utility. Open standards are only good people it's so easy for them to get accepted. That's why closed standards often just don't go very far.
The farther niche it goes, the less open it has to be, on principle of utility.
That's a great point!
I kind of skipped over, that. Good add, thanks.
it's a rather weird concept, but it makes sense. If you want to standardize, let's say, threaded hardware across the continental US that you would inherently need to do away with any closed standards, assuming you want it to actually work, and along with that, whatever you settle on, needs to be open.
You could theoretically do this with closed source, but the problem here is that there will be someone that comes along and does it with open source, and if it's better, you're fucked. And if it's equal, and cheaper, you're fucked. And if it's marginally worse, but trivial to adopt, you're fucked.
They have all resoundly failed, after looking unbeatable
"Failed" how? Failed in that they sucked to use, yeah. Failed as in people stopped using them? No. Failed as in their profits plummeted? No. Their users are gluttons for abuse and exploitation. And their users are nearly everyone I know. They don't care.
Now the vast majority of phones run open source Android.
No they don't. It's only ~50% of the US market and ~60% of the global market. Also at the time it was a very competitive market and OEMs like Nokia and Motorola all had their day. That hasn't been true since the original iPhone some 15 years ago.
Open standards always win, in the end.
LOL no they don't? In fact they almost always don't.
The desktop computing default is honestly way overdue to switch to FOSS.
It will never be, for the same reason it has a whopping 4% today. It's complicated and difficult to use, and no one is spending money on marketing to convince people to even try it.
The Fediverse...is all that'll be left in a couple decades.
That's nothing but a wild utopian delusion...
Honestly, I wish it were true. I wish you were right. I wish people respected themselves to take the time and learn about all the corporations that are fucking up their lives, and to take the time and learn how to take the according action, but at best they don't care, and more often then not they will actually go out of their way to defend the corporations that are fucking them. If they cared, the corporations wouldn't be able to fuck them, and we would live in a completely different world.
Failed" how?
Failed as in people stopped using them? No.
Failed as in their profits plummeted? No.
What the actual fuck?
I gave several concrete examples whose usage was originally seen as unassailable, and is now easily measured as essentially zero.
Of the examples I listed, only Shockwave still has any publicly recorded examples of actual continued use, because there's a virtual museum dedicated to preserving it's memory.
That's a fine definition of a failed technology.
You're out of your element, Donny.
Edit: Your other points are essentially that those technologies aren't at their dominant phase yet. I can agree about that.
If you still need convincing (your clearly do) about open standards, read the history of licensed screwdrivers. Closed standards either die off, or become open ones. There are no exceptions.
Windows and iOS are both notable because, in my expert opinion, both have already missed their window of time when they could have become successful open standards.
Their respective owners actually realize that, as well. IBM Mainframe also missed that window, and there's history available to read. We are now seeing the same business patterns (as IBM Mainframe) with Windows and iOS.
Incidentally, IBM Mainframe actually doesn't qualify for my failed technology list, because it's still holding on. Windows probably has similar staying power to IBM Mainframe (hanging on in zombie death for decades). iOS isn't lucky enough to live on huge expensive machines that are hard to move, though. It's not going to be as lucky.
My guy, you are completely overreacting.
OLE COM, ActiveX, Flash, Cold Fusion, and SilverLight
I don't know what any of these things are but I'm pretty sure they're not popular social media platforms. If you don't understand why that matters then you have a fundamental lack of understanding of the situation as it stands.
You're out of your element, Donny.
...who? are you talking to?
who? are you talking to?
Sorry. Movie quote. The Big Labowski. Check it out. It's fun. For context, the guy that says that line is a blowhard, not to be taken too seriously. (Like me!)
I don't know what any of these things are but I'm pretty sure they're not popular social media platforms. If you don't understand why that matters then you have a fundamental lack of understanding of the situation as it stands.
I understand network effects. All of my examples had large network effects supporting them, in their time.
Seriously. Open standards win. It takes flipping forever sometimes. But they do. Check into the screwdriver thing. It's a cool read. Or for something more recent, the histories of open and closed web browsers. I think you'll find it encouraging.
Open standards win. It takes flipping forever sometimes. But they do.
Did XMPP win? Did RSS win? Did Linux win? These open standards have been around for decades and are still not widely adopted. At what point are they considered a failure?
Is ActivityPub winning? At best it has stalled after gaining a few defectors like myself from those who are unwilling to tolerate bullshit. But at this point I think it's abundantly clear that there is no amount of abuse that the majority of users won't tolerate on proprietary platforms.
When open standards win, it's usually because the platform was built on them, like email or podcasts.
Did XMPP win?
That remains to be seen. I'll gladly accept XMPP as a point in the "against" column, as it has a long way to go, if it succeeds.
Google succeeded handily at their last round of embrace, extend, extinguish, against XMPP, by dropping support from Google Chat.
It's worth noting that the question isn't really whether XMPP replaces WhatsApp, it's whether it can unseat SMS.
SMS is seriously entrenched. I don't know it's state of openess. My understanding is it's mostly run/owned by a few large proprietary players.
Again, I'm happy to concede that XMPP looks doomed today, like RSS did a couple decades ago.
Did RSS win?
RSS certainly hasn't won, yet. But RSS is doing fine, behind the scenes. Most of the RSS the average person interacts with doesn't look, to them, like RSS. There's a lot of RSS still in wide use, today. Competing solutions are currently enshitifying (Google Search, Reddit, Facebook, Xitter), while RSS is still free and still just works.
That's not an automatic win for RSS, until you consider that RSS has already outlived WebCrawler, Digg, MySpace and GeoCities, among others.
I'm calling it early in favor of RSS.
We've agreed that I am prone to do so, though.
Did Linux win?
Yes. Linux won. The vast majority of computation today runs on Linux.
Windows used to hold a serious percentage of web hosting. My best guess is it was around half. The current percentage is unknown, but generous estimates put it at 3%, at most. For some context, the Azure cloud (Microsoft's web hosting that Office 365 runs on) is known to mostly run on Linux.
But to address the other part of your question:
Is Windows desktop going away?
Something mostly proprietary that costs money and is called Windows with be with us for a long time.
But the Windows kernel is counting it's final days now, while most people haven't noticed.
The Windows kernel is cool, but it's a pure cost center and no longer offers anything that Linux doesn't.
Game developers noticed, this year. I personally, held onto Windows desktop for decades, solely for gaming. I suspect the shift this year will turn out to be a key moment in the spin down of the Windows kernel.
A desktop OS has a ton of moving pieces. We're currently seeing the natural trend for those pieces to take advantage of existing open solutions.
I predict that we will see more and more of that, until the switching cost reaches the current low cost of switching web browsers.
RSS is still free and still just works.
Except it doesn't "just work" because most platforms have abandoned it.
The vast majority of computation today runs on Linux.
Arguably not where it matters.
the Windows kernel is counting it's final days
it's a pure cost center and no longer offers anything that Linux doesn't.
You're delusional. Show me evidence that "the Windows kernel" is going away. Linux is still a giant pain in the ass to use unless you have lots of experience with command line.
Game developers noticed, this year.
Some of them? Sure. Big ones? Can't even be bothered to tick a box in the Steam client to make them available. Actively adding features that break Linux compatibility and openly acknowledging that, at best, they don't care.
until the switching cost reaches the current low cost of switching web browsers.
My dude have you not seen marketshare for Chrome and Safari?
You're delusional.
We have established that. It doesn't mean I'm wrong.
Show me evidence that "the Windows kernel" is going away.
That's what my other examples are evidence for. I'm extrapolating a trend I've seen many times before. I could easily be wrong.
I'm not stressing over it though, because I'm happy being a delusional old person.
My dude have you not seen marketshare for Chrome and Safari?
There's an advertising campaign by the current big players that everyone may as well accept their bullshit, because everyone else does.
I'm telling you, from experience, that putting up with that (current) bullshit is temporary.
They'll innovative new bullshit, of course. That's how the pattern goes.
When open standards win, it's usually because the platform was built on them, like email or podcasts.
That's the perception I'm trying to counter with the web technology examples I gave above.
I was there building the web, on proprietary products, and I believed that, myself.
I'm delighted to report that I was wrong.
It took decades, but the far less visible corner of the web running on open technologies is now the only portion we currently still have.
With a big delightful exception for Shockwave Flash, and the folks valiantly keeping it alive to preserve it's part in gaming history.
From experience, Lemmy/Mastadon is a lot easier to pitch to potential users than Linux lol
Hard to tell imo. Big tech has a lot of big advantages and disadvantages over us.
Being centralized and heavily funded, it's a lot easier for them to rapidly create/change new things, for better or for worse. It also means they do a lot of the testing for us. Mastodon/Lemmy formats are figured out from what we liked from proprietary platforms, then we kept the core that made it good. We also don't need to make a worse user experience by worrying about monetization.
We also have a lot less development, and I won't even pretend that Mastodon or Lemmy are anywhere near well developed as Reddit/Twitter backends and other software. We simply don't have the attention and funding to be anywhere near that level.
I don't think we'll ever replace big tech, but I just hope we stay on a healthy trajectory where we are alongside them in popularity.
Thank you, u/cum, for your thoughtful insight.
That means everything I am doing is becoming trendy, which makes no sense.
I don’t know. Sounds like communism 🙃
No you smell like communism.
Not yet.
The janky network penetrates the enshittification
Be the change
Using the same client and everything works flawlessly, do your updates buddy
Well, that reminds me that Mastodon has huge, unresolved problems, such as tags being part of the post's body like Twitter rather than being a separate field like Tumblr.
Reading tweets with a hundred hashtags at the bottom seem really thirsty for attention, which is bad because Mastodon wants to fundamentally work with these, yet doesn't have good in-post integration for them. It makes interactions less genuine, more performative.
Try Catodon instead. It's a much better UI and federated.
o7
Now my username is not completely meaningless.
Doing my part O7
It's true, we are za warudo.
<3
Am I the only one who has Firefish crash for them?
The Firefish instance I was on moved to Sharkey instead. As far as I know Firefish is no longer being developed.
Firefish is gone, but Catodon has taken Its place.
And yet it skews (awkwardly?) further from Reddit. Nobody understands that all the important movements of history reached across political lines and focused on a mission. Still missing a both sides vibe from here where everything is equally discussed to succeed.
Your presence and attention are the most precious thing on the internet.
If you're reading this, just know that I will probably butt heads with you at some point. I can be abrasive, and I typically don't censor what I think.
That being said, I wouldn't choose any other social media. Lemmy makes me think of what the United States should be, disparate communities coming together to form a larger and stronger whole. I can be an asshole, spit my shit and have people discuss things with me in a rational manner - for the most part coming to a common understanding.
I've learned a lot about who I want to be from talking to and reading what Lemmians have to say. I will always appreciate this place.
Oh boy...
*Random mods on some instances, however...
Every morning /kbin is working on some issues.
Almost all of you hate me. I'm like second or third against the wall.
The future is decentralized, not federated. That's why I'm on nostr, even if it doesn't deliver yet.
Do you not know how this site works
It is decentralized.
Somebody takes out the lemmy.world server and your identity is gone. So decentralized, lol.
It weirds me out that most of the arguments for nostr I come across are around how "you can't loose your identity, it's just a private/public keypair!". Maybe I just don't get banned enough to understand the perspective, but to me the real problem is the content/discussions being lost, not usernames for some corner of the web.
I really don't care about loosing my identity on a social media website; I've found it healthier to view social media accounts on the same level as my customer account at my isp and power utility. When I change ISPs, the old account is closed down and I start up a new one at the other ISP. What's important to me is the service getting delivered, not that it remembers that I'm the same person from however many years ago. It's still the same me here in my body, interacting with the web. I know what I need from it, it doesn't always need to remember who I am (and sometimes I'd rather it forgot or never knew in the first place).
My final point is a bit of a troll, but also kinda serious: how decentralized is it when your identity is "centralized" in your key pair? Loose your keys or loose your password to the key, and your identity is similarly effectively gone. Even worse in this case, no-one can restore it for you. Which is why I don't tie my identity that much to any online service, especially ones I don't host. The only thing that truly preserves my identity is the flesh-and-blood body that I inhabit (and even that isn't fail-proof).
I've interacted with GPG signing circles before. So many people are losing access to their keys. So many more are considering some of their keys as compromised. In either case they're regularly generating wholly new keys, essentially rebooting their "identity" from scratch. When they do so, they always rely on flesh-and-blood interactions to have their new identity verified and trusted by others.
Maybe it's a question of which circles we're involved in; mine are already regularly hopping accounts, without being forced to by bans or server outages. I'm used to interpreting the tone & content to recognize "people", and ignoring usernames. On top of that so many people regularly change their display names on social media for vanity and expression purposes that I can't reliably use them anyways for recognizing accounts.
Maybe I just don’t get banned enough
You may also interact with countless bots without ever knowing, because creating fake identities is free.
I really don’t care about loosing my identity
Fair, some people value their identity.
how decentralized is it when your identity is “centralized” in your key pair?
For average people nothing changes, the app can hold their key for them and even offer email recovery.
On top of that so many people regularly change their display names on social media for vanity and expression purposes that I can’t reliably use them anyways for recognizing accounts.
That's something having signatures and a web of trust solves.
Besides, you fail to see another problem: Whichever centralized, federated site you use can manipulate anything you read and publish.
Anyway, if you don't see a need for tools like nostr you don't need them.
You may also interact with countless bots without ever knowing, because creating fake identities is free.
Maybe. Bots don't seem currently capable of holding a conversation beyond surface level remarks. I think I tend to engage with thought-provoking stuff.
On the off chance that I reply to a bot, it is as much for my reply to be read by other humans viewing the conversation. So I don't understand how interacting with countless bots is supposed to be such a big downside.
Plus, I don't see how public/private key pairs prevents endless "fake" identity creation/proliferation. It's not like you need a government-issued ID to generate them (which, to be clear, still wouldn't be great -just got other reasons).
Fair, some people value their identity.
To be clear, I'm talking about online identities. In which case, I would argue that if you value it so much you should not delegate it to some third party network. My IRL identity is incredibly valuable to me, which is why I don't tie it up with any online communications services, especially ones I have no control over.
For average people nothing changes, the app can hold their key for them and even offer email recovery.
...so then the app can post on my behalf without me knowing? And it'll be signed as if I had done it myself. I don't understand preferring this if you're not also self hosting.
That's something having signatures and a web of trust solves.
But as I wrote in my previous message regarding gpg signing circles (a web of trust), that doesn't "solve" things. It just introduces more layers and steps to try and compensate for an inherently impossible ideal. Unless I'm misunderstanding your point here?
Besides, you fail to see another problem: Whichever centralized, federated site you use can manipulate anything you read and publish.
I just take that for granted on the internet. It's true that key-signing messages should make that effectively impossible for all but the largest third parties (FAANG & nation-states). But you still need to verify keys/identities through some out-of-band mechanism, otherwise aren't you blindly trusting the decentralized network to be providing you with the "true" keys and post, as made by the human author?
Anyway, if you don't see a need for tools like nostr you don't need them.
Maybe I'm not expressing myself properly; I don't see how nostr (and tools like it) effectively address that/those needs.
Sort of like how there was (arguably still is) a need for cash that governments can't just annul or reverse transactions of, yet bitcoin and all cryptocurrencies I'm aware of fail on that front by effectively allowing state actors (who have state resources) to participate in the mining network and execute 51% attacks.
Someone takes out tchncs.de and your account and my alt are gone. My main account will still be there. „Decentralized“ by nature but if people flock together in good old manner they will break the system.
My username is not my identity.
Get a life.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
That's the most delusional shit i've ever heard
There's always one in the comment section. And today, it's you!
Thanks for doing your part.
One of what? Quite sure I had contributed to the Lemmyverse more than most people here, I have nothing left to prove. Thx
Public opinion seems to be souring on all the big corporate social media sites, and I truly think if we're able to get the word out about federated social media platforms, people will jump ship.
Also, it's hard to dislike a platform that isn't showing ads, selling user data, or generally making decisions for the enrichment of shareholders.
It’s so weird, I don’t even notice the lack of ads most of the time (pihole, never leave home, so it’s roughly the same experience I'm used to)
But when I go out? Oh man fediverse is the only site I’ll use because I know it’s safe from ads. The other privacy/user-focus stuff is just a bonus.
(I don’t have any friends around here, so just sort of go out to be out, and usually for food)
Inevitably there will be a fediverse instance with ads, but whether or not people want to use it will be up to the individual.
As long as the ads don’t federate in an un-blockable way, they can do as they like. I wouldn’t make an account there, I’d rather donate actual money than have a degraded experience (which for sure works out better for everyone), but I get the drive to monetize.
And they should absolutely -not- be allowed to federate ads, for any reason, since it goes against the vibe. But inevitably there will be “sponsored posts” (probably already are), and I think those instances/users will see themselves fade to oblivion, as long as new users are brought to understand that they could just chip in $2 and never see an ad.
I use Boost and it has ads. But they're ignorable as a banner here and there, not constantly. I can live with that.
Is Boost really that much better than Eternity or Voyager that you put up with ads?
I like it.
Fair enough :)
What you can do is install wireguard server at home and then set your phone to use that wireguard connection always. That's what I do and then my pihole at home filters all my mobile traffic as well.
I usually have a private vpn. It’s just isn’t always up. And I can’t be bothered to have it maintained most times because I’m not in control.
I’m considering setting it up through my router which has a built in option, so I don’t have to rely on my third party, but honestly I almost never leave pihole protected networks. So not a priority.
You don't need an entire VPN just to block ads. I use RethinkDNS on Android and it blocks ads in most apps.
The vpn doesn’t block ads or do really anything, it just routes all my traffic back to my home network so I’m using my pihole for DNS.
I’m not about to install even more crap to do a half-ass job when I could just renew my certificate and pass it along for config, and be done with it and never get ads in any app, home or not.
I’m just lazy, and it doesn’t really come up all that often.
I honestly don't think we're there yet.
Remember, something like more than half of all people still don't use an ad-blocker - some people want ads, or at least want that they provide money to keep the service going, and similarly with selling user data (to the extent that people bother to think about it at all).
Never underestimate the level of entitlement thinking on behalf of new users - like, "Which instance do I join? Wait, I have to choose!? Nvm, I'm out already." (and for Mastodon, this has much greater implications than for Lemmy)
Also, one single reply to a comment in chapotraphouse on hexbear.net, followed by a second reply somewhere on Lemmy.ml, almost made me turn away from social media entirely, thinking that this place was fast becoming not really all that different than Reddit after all - I mean, these are leftists, aka liberals, these are/must be my people, right, R-R-RIGHT!?
The Fediverse is not for the uninitiated, and requires significant setup work to even be pleasant much less enjoyable, depending on where you go and the users' innate level of insensitivity.
Though you and many others are working tirelessly to make it better by offering great content - thanks!:-)
As someone who is much more centrist/liberal, I had to block a whole bunch of leftist communities recently just so that I could keep enjoying the Fediverse. I would have greatly prefered not to, but so much of leftist content on here is far too cynical to any other position.
Even if they were correct, the maner of their interactions makes them wrong, especially the hostility.
Also, being a liberal in America is somewhat similar to being a conservative in Europe, I am told - i.e., "leftist" is a term relative to one's local surrounding environment. Maybe one day I will become more leftist, although ironically all the leftist comments here are making me start to lean the opposite direction (it would be different if someone explained the positions, rather than simply dunked on everyone who does not share them - groupthink is not a valid way to arrive at Truth, especially when applied in the format of bullying behaviors to outsiders rather than merely acceptance of the in-crowd).
”Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.
In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. " - Karl Popper
The only reason u see them constantly dunking on everyone is because all the truthfull factual backed up with evidence replies they get get censored if it has a single thing to do the hexbear or .ml. Idk how they do it but a replete to .ml on a .world community can be censored by .ml but replete to that censored comment still work fine. .ml selectively federates the modlog as well to hide admin abuse. They will ban u from every .ml community for 1 comment disagreeing politically especially if u have evidance proving them wrong.
We have tried countering them by rational argument and public opinion but that is failing. We canot tolerate the intolerance of tankies ob lemmy.
I have stopped recommending Lemmy to people, bc I would be embarrassed for a new user to come here, get bullied as I have been (far more than happened on Reddit), and blame me like "you recommended me to talk to that crowd!?"). Kbin.social was different bc those communities were blocked from the start - at an instance level even - though that server has been down for days, and now I see it's back up and full of advertisement posts as usual, bc many mods abandoned their communities due to all the technical problems with the service.
But there is hope for change in the future, in terms of perhaps making getting dunked on an opt-in rather than as it currently is an opt-out feature delivered to members of the Fediverse with little to no warning. e.g. here is a discussion I had with an instance admin. Progress, since so many of us joined the Fediverse since the Rexodus, has been (understandably) slow, but can happen, if we work at it!
For the lowest common denominator social media user, the bar is even lower. As long as everyone else they follow and care about is on the platform, they will happily move. They won’t even care that they will be free from ads and tracking because they never cared in the first place.
Fediverse is the future of the internet
You might inspire some of us to create a Facebook, Instagram, X account just to spread the word of the Fediverse.
Doin' muh best to shitpost.
You're all welcome, citizens!
Heroic Trumpet Music
Farting sounds
I’m doing my part too!
laugh tracks
I have many, many sovereign citizens to keep us alive.
Okay, now I am imagining that you are imprisoning sovcits in your basement and farming them for insanepeoplewhatever content.
Bet those sovcits would be cits real quick in that situation ;)
Nah I'd post videos of them if that was the case.
That's just what someone keeping sovcits in their basement would say.
And I'm doing my best to keep it spam-free and ad-free.
Gonna be honest, a lot of times I feel like I don't belong here, I'm still figuring things out. I'm not a "techy" type person (that seems to be some kind of prerequisite) and I barely know how to explain the fediverse to the layman, but I left reddit when they fucked over Joey (my preferred reddit app) and read enough to give reddit the middle finger and never look back. It's been nice, really. I spend more time outside of the internet now. But I believe in the fediverse, I think it's the right thing to do. I still check up on lemmy daily, but I get much more value and human connection and only spend the time that is appropriate on lemmy instead of endlessly scrolling. Most days I end up in some Wikipedia rabbit hole. Just like the good ol' days. Learning new things, meeting new people. That's what I love about the internet.
It's what we all loved about the internet I think, before the web become... "that" (looking at the pile of shit the web has become).
But actually it's not the web, not really. It's the big tech platforms that most people seem to think is the internet now. It's sad to watch how people log on to "Facebook" and not the general web anymore. And then Google in front of everything, like a big cancer growth.
Lemmy is not the new internet either I believe. But it's here to show people that something else can exist. As soon as we let advertising in here though, it's over.
The beautiful thing about decentralisation is that if an instance tries to as ads, then you can go to a different instance and see the same content.
If an instance creates as posts, your instance admin can block the whole instance.
Interestingly, the big instances seem to easily get enough donations to cover costs. I think that's the great thing about this model, people are willing to donate when they know it's not some big corporate making profit for shareholders.
adding to the old internet thing, using mojeek reminds me of the old search results! searched for something mildly obscure, actually got good results and also a porn site lmfao.
there's a safe mode if it's of use: nested in the settings gear menu but also on /preferences (to turn it on for all searches)
thanks peakjeek
I think the answer is not to gatekeep against advertising actively, but to have a platform that is resilient to that kind of thing. Like, if there were advertising on an instance people would fucking BOUNCE I think. And if it got somehow baked into the platform itself there would be a new fork with the advertising excised before the sun went down.
I'm not sure about that. What if advertising were used to cover server costs, just like donations right now? Then the community may be fine with it.
But I think it's very dangerous to go down that route. Because it's going to become about higher profits, not just covering costs, in the long run.
I don't know either, but so far not a single instance has even tried to my knowledge. I have a very hard time imagining people being okay with it.
As long as the ads are good ads, I'm using Adnauseaum to block most though.
Honestly this is great, non-techy people making the transition is a good sign and something the system needs to gain mainstream appeal.
Also, people who aren't techy are less likely to accept hacky workaround BS and complain until it's fixed on a system-wide level, and that's needed to mature the platform to something anyone can use. It's getting there but it's still got a lot of rough edges.
I enjoyed reading this. I came over from reddit when they started banning people for protesting. That showed me that reddit was not what I thought it is.
I‘m a techy person. I run servers for friends and customers, partly with fediverse services on them. Lemmy being one of them. I donate both time and money to lemmy and other services I enjoy and use.
The fediverse is a great thing imo. I hope it succeeds.
Are you me? I thought I was relatively tech-savvy, and then I moved to Lemmy. Also, Joey was the best.
It's easy to feel that way even if you are a techy. It seems like being minimally neurodivergent is the abnormal here.
That being said, I've been introduced to many different ways of thinking that I wouldn't have gained otherwise. Think of it like you're different, but that's ok because everyone here is different - and that makes them (and you) all the more beautiful for it (especially in the context of idea exchange). In fact, being the different one here will give you the perspective that many of the people who use Lemmy experience simply by existing which, in and of itself, is a valuable thing.
Everyone being nd would explain a lot of why this place feels way better than Reddit for me lol
A way I have found to explain federated social media to people, that seems to work is this: Imagine reddit, but instead of one company, with one administration, owning the whole site, it is a bunch of different reddits, that are independently run, that choose which other reddits they wish to associate themselves with. When you log into one instance, you automatically can see, and interact with, all the other ones that one chooses to associate with. You can have accounts on as many instances as you would like, even having accounts on instances that do no associate with each other.
I just say: "It's like email. There are different email servers, but they can all talk to one another. If there are things you really like, you can subscribe to them, and if there are things you don't like, you can block them."
Or replace "email" with "instant messages".
left when i saw too many reposts and way too many story-comments i was sure i'd seen before
which led me to realise reddit has been completely astroturfed
Oh yes, good point. That's a big part of my problem when it came to my reddit experience in the end. I mean shit, I was a redditor since 2009. It was hard to leave but also not.
Hey, I also was a Joey user. I am pretty tech savvy (I'm a software dev and a former sys admin). I'm not a Linux daily user though, so I still understand that out of place feeling. Like I have used Linux for things, but after working on my computer all day for work, I don't exactly want to deal with roadblocks or tinkering on my computer in the evening.
I have also noticed that I spend less time scrolling on here than I did on Reddit, which is a good thing for me. It's a place where I can satisfy that itch without getting lost in scrolling of posts or comment sections for hours.
Admins. Thank you. Users. Thank you.
Mods?
Too busy abusing their mod powers to enforce their political views in most communities.
That sounds like me in World News exactly. Excellent assessment.
(I'm even more draconian in Lemmy Shitpost.)
And in 10Forward you're absolutely brutal, keeping the comm in constant fear. You rule with an iron tentacle.
I'm going to go over there and ban you now for this.
Ban you FOR THE GLORY OF THE EMPIRE!
im taking a shit
This is what Lemmy is all about, right here. Just a good, honest nutsack taking a simple shit.
Same
nice
Add me to the shit list
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Ehh. What's the average age around here? I'm guessing it wasn't the youth that migrated from Reddit.
I'm in my 20s, is that considered youth?
@Wilzax @Underwaterbob yeah 😁
I'm OP and I'm 50 and female.
Old fucker. Your lot taught me an absurd amount of shit on IRC.
I'm 41.
I predate IRC and even web pages. I used telnet talkers!
Fuck it all.
In my mid IRC days I met Suzeran. She was fantastic. Ostensibly a man, but he identified as a young woman. Others in our group were furries or (why the fuck is furry a real word) whatever for the time. Dunno, but our old internet culture was about people, not politics.
So was mine. I mostly hung out in a largely gay men talker, and despite me being neither I made friends I still have today.
Yeah, it's kinda nuts what we dealt with and/or loved.
My most awkward was a bro named Bronson. He made a joke anti-cuban song. He passed way too early. The Cuban bro that spawned the song was the person who told me about 9/11. "We're under attack"
I did my best, but we were poor.
18 here
I’m 33. Joined up during the APIcalypse and ensuing exodus from Reddit.
Look at the baby over here. I remember 33... Actually not really.
Some sorta survey/census for the fediverse might be cool
We've had lots of them. It's depends on the community but we're generally older than r/, more female then you think, and slightly to very 'techie'.
I'm not that young, but sometimes I see people here refer to their childhoods, and then I feel like a baby.
Now I feel old because my childhood was basically over before Reddit was born. Am I already old at 33? Gross!
33 old? Nah. 30s are just the start of actual adulthood (as opposed to young adulthood).
I am 17 lol
I am in my mid 20s the kids call me old and the adults call me a kid.
Im interested in this as well
I think it'll be skewed based on reasons people are here.
I'm doing my best to look at memes 💪
Teamwork makes the dream work.
As would say this wise person (@peachymist@sakurajima.moe): you are not procrastinating, you are fighting for a free and open Internet
I still haven’t been able to give up reddit but I have always been a lurker there. Here I’m trying to make a conscious effort to participate in conversations. I’m trying to be positive, kind, and thoughtful because that’s what I want lemmy to be.
I started to think of Reddit as just an occasional Google search result necessary evil and have successfully ignored it ever since. Log off DKC, there's a better world out there.
In all seriousness I think eventually conventional social media will start to feel very siloed like AOL did as more people join the fediverse. I can't imagine using a site that I couldn't look at everything from anymore, save for stupid ass Facebook which I do solely for sovcit material. Why would I want to look at crap ads and AI when I can be here?
This is my experience. I try to search elsewhere, but consistently still find good info there. Only when I exhaust other options I go crawling back.
Oh it's no biggie if you use it to deshittify Google. It is there, after all. Just treat it like ghetto Wikipedia and don't hang around. Haha.
Thank you!
Similar here. Reddit has become, for better or worse, just another Facebook. I include in my search queries when I need. I get in for specific communities and get out immediately afterwards.
The thing that I love most about Lemmy and the wider Fediverse is the sense of actual community. Many of the users feel like actual people I could meet in real life. It's essentially a digital cafe. Sure as hell not going back to Reddit or those other shit Big Tech sites.
Every day I am thankful for the work that has been done. It is life changing.
That's it! I post a lot (you're welcome all) and I feel like I have friends I talk to in the comments every day.
Yeah, Reddit was like that about a decade or more ago.
The current level of bot activity there is actually insane.
What I like about the fedi is I don't care if it's a "success" in the same sense that the closed social media sites have to be. It's not like this project has quarterly profit targets to hit or else it'll have to enshittify or else the investors pull out and we're all screwed because there's no more app.fediverse.com monolith or whatever.
Nah it's just us doing our thing and enjoying ourselves. The activity around here already reached a critical mass a while ago, to the point that there's more content than I could hope to enjoy, so anything from here is vegan gravy.
Just out of curiosity, how much does it cost per month to run a Lemmy instance? Not that I'd want to do that myself, I'm just grateful for our admins that keep Lemmy up and running.
feddit.uk clocks in at under £40/month. That's hosting, and backups. lemmy.zip is similar.
Plus our time, but we're obviously doing it as a labour of love.
You can rent an instance for like 10 dollars per month and grow from there. Then expand if you get users and things get slow. Lemmy runs ok on 4 GB of memory but it's better with 8 GB. Postgres use the most.
It depends. I run an instance with a whole two users and it costs me about $25 a month.
But if I let 200 users join, I would need beefier hardware and a higher bandwidth limit.
However running an instance like Beehaw is probably on the order of hundreds, not thousands of dollars a month.
I'd certainly be interested to know for the sake of donations. I would gladly donate to keep the fediverse alive.
It varies greatly depending on your setup.
Lemmy.world's monthly expenses are around €1,200. Though that includes hosting more services that just Lemmy.
https://blog.mastodon.world/
For comparison, it looks like £30 per month for lemmy.zip:
https://lemmy.zip/post/7766703
And lemmy.ca is around CAD$30 per month:
https://sh.itjust.works/post/39134
At one point Reddthat.com was considering moving to a bigger server that would cost A$150-200 per month:
https://reddthat.com/post/8840079
Ayy Lemmy.zip :)
I'm curious as well. I want to selfhost a personal instance, but CGNAT is getting on the way. I can always pay for VPS, but then the recent shenanigans involving CSAM images potentially being synced from rogue instances scared me.
Just trying to take it easy for all those sinners.
Im just here for the memes
I know that you will
Everyone one of my shitposts is making history
Hey, shitposts are like manure that helps other posts grow.
I lurk!! But, thanks y'all.
Not anymore!
Every minute you use lemmy, spez's penis becomes 1 millimeter smaller
I'm here to argue! It's my passtime 😎
Someone's gotta make toxic sludge!
No you aren't! :)
Also, it's spelled "pastime".
First of all, let me make one thing perfectly clear: the only reason we’re even having this conversation is because of the mindless adherence to so-called "standard" spelling rules. This notion that "pastime" is the only correct spelling is not just pedantic, it's intellectually lazy. It's a testament to how rigid and unimaginative people can be when it comes to the evolution of language.
Let's break this down, shall we? "Passtime" makes perfect sense if you actually think about it. The word is derived from the concept of "passing time." When you say "passtime," you're capturing the very essence of what you're doing: engaging in an activity to pass the time. It's straightforward, logical, and intuitive. Meanwhile, "pastime" reeks of historical baggage, a relic from an era when spelling was inconsistent and chaotic. Why should we be bound by outdated conventions that don’t even reflect the way we speak or think today?
Moreover, English is a living, breathing language. It's constantly evolving, incorporating new words, and adapting to the needs of its speakers. The insistence on "pastime" over "passtime" is a perfect example of how resistant people are to change. It’s this kind of rigid thinking that stifles creativity and hinders progress. If everyone thought like you, we'd still be saying "fridge" as "refrigerator" and "pram" as "parambulator" Oh wait, some people still do—another clear sign of the arbitrary nature of these so-called rules.
And let’s talk about the sheer arrogance of your correction. Do you honestly believe that enforcing archaic spelling rules somehow makes you superior? That by pointing out a minor spelling variation, you’re contributing to the betterment of society? Newsflash: language is meant to communicate ideas and emotions, not to be a tool for condescending gatekeepers to wield as a weapon against those who don't adhere to their narrow-minded views.
If anything, "passtime" is a much-needed innovation. It reflects a more modern, practical approach to spelling. It's high time we embrace such changes instead of clinging to antiquated norms. So, before you jump in to correct someone's spelling next time, maybe take a moment to consider the possibility that the language is evolving—and that it's okay for it to do so. Your desperate need to enforce obsolete rules only showcases a fear of change and a lack of understanding of the dynamic nature of English.
In conclusion, your correction of "passtime" to "pastime" is not just unnecessary; it’s a glaring display of linguistic conservatism. We don’t need your permission to innovate and improve our language. So kindly take your pedantry elsewhere, and let the rest of us enjoy the richness and flexibility of English without being bogged down by outdated and arbitrary rules.
Not sure why you are downvoted +4/-5. Your reply was perfect.
Thank You, BotM! I migrated here from the corporate social medias as soon as I was aware. I'm still transferring my OC over from IG (not an easy task) to Pixelfed. And I use similar talking points to inform people, often about the very existence of a non-comercial social media. Very few people, maybe 2, since July '23 have even heard of the Fediverse. We shall persist!
I'm just learning about Pixelfed from your comment. Any suggestions on where to start or instances to subscribe to?
I signed on to https://social.photo/. And I'm sure I had darned good reasons for doing so at the time. LoL With federation, I'm not really sure it matters which instance one signs onto, as long as it's not some tankie/nazi crap, of course. And of course one could self host one's own instance.
It appears to me that, because of the absence of advertising, it is incumbent upon individuals to 'evangelize' and spread the fedi-gospel. :-D
I truly believe the fediverse is the future. People will tire of the AI and all that nonsense and fade away from all the big sites.
For Lemmy.world a donation would help keep it alive without all the crap. Servers are cheaper then they were, but still not cheap.
OMG! Thank you so much ❤️❤️❤️
It's not easy keeping things up sometimes, but we're always looking for ways to deliver more for less, while still keeping things snappy.
It's hard, but without the community, we would just be some nerds with too much time on our hands 😅
Much love for y'all!!!
Yeah but on the other hand Lemmy world sucks and it would be good for the overall health of the Fediverse if they ran out of money and had to shut down. Give that donation to a smaller instance who actually needs it. World is already the biggest and they don't need to get bigger.
I don't think we should be wishing for the demise of the largest Lemmy instance. However, I definitely agree that focusing resources towards growing small and medium sized instances is good for the fediverse.
They're made too many bad decisions. The only reason people use them is they're the biggest, not because they have a good admin team or even a good gimmick.
considering that this is a bsd user, yeah makes sense.
Coming from a self hoster, shits up when it's up. Otherwise it's down.
I charge nothing and you expect no guarantees of service :)
"the future of social media" reminds me of "the year of the Linux desktop". Like, what does that mean to you?
The most obvious explanation is that you think it will overtake corporate social media entirely. Or even exist anywhere on the same level. But that seems unrealistic.
Yeah, but we've been on this stressful ride before, and we know where it ends.
There were lots of attempts at a closed source proprietary Internet protocol. They have all resoundly failed, after looking unbeatable. Some folks still fondly remember the closed Internet protocols like OLE COM, ActiveX, Flash, Cold Fusion, and SilverLight, but few of us miss them. Okay, I do miss Flash games.
Good touchscreen phone operating systems were a "will this ever be matched?" trade secret at Blackberry and Apple. Now the vast majority of phones run open source Android.
Much earlier, most good-enough C compilers were expensive proprietary closed source products. Now I see very little being compiled on anything other than the free and open source GCC. Even most other programming languages and tools are now FOSS, as well. I can't think of much for development that cracks the top 20 that isn't FOSS. JetBrains IDEs stand out as a lone closed source hold-out.
Open standards always win, in the end.
The desktop computing default is honestly way overdue to switch to FOSS. That's why it's the year of the Linux desktop.
The Fediverse is here to stay, and is all that'll be left in a couple decades. But in the meantime, it's cozy!
to be fair, this was almost certainly a reaction to the iphone. Still open, so there's that.
Seems like the cycle is either:
Yep. It often takes quite awhile. And I honestly don't mind supporting innovators who want to sell something closed but really good.
But as I get older, and watch the pattern over and over, I'm starting to appreciate skipping the cycle by directly adopting the open thing as early as I can.
yeah, the general rule of thumb seems to be that if it's universal, it needs to be open. The farther niche it goes, the less open it has to be, on principle of utility. Open standards are only good people it's so easy for them to get accepted. That's why closed standards often just don't go very far.
That's a great point! I kind of skipped over, that. Good add, thanks.
it's a rather weird concept, but it makes sense. If you want to standardize, let's say, threaded hardware across the continental US that you would inherently need to do away with any closed standards, assuming you want it to actually work, and along with that, whatever you settle on, needs to be open.
You could theoretically do this with closed source, but the problem here is that there will be someone that comes along and does it with open source, and if it's better, you're fucked. And if it's equal, and cheaper, you're fucked. And if it's marginally worse, but trivial to adopt, you're fucked.
"Failed" how? Failed in that they sucked to use, yeah. Failed as in people stopped using them? No. Failed as in their profits plummeted? No. Their users are gluttons for abuse and exploitation. And their users are nearly everyone I know. They don't care.
No they don't. It's only ~50% of the US market and ~60% of the global market. Also at the time it was a very competitive market and OEMs like Nokia and Motorola all had their day. That hasn't been true since the original iPhone some 15 years ago.
LOL no they don't? In fact they almost always don't.
It will never be, for the same reason it has a whopping 4% today. It's complicated and difficult to use, and no one is spending money on marketing to convince people to even try it.
That's nothing but a wild utopian delusion...
Honestly, I wish it were true. I wish you were right. I wish people respected themselves to take the time and learn about all the corporations that are fucking up their lives, and to take the time and learn how to take the according action, but at best they don't care, and more often then not they will actually go out of their way to defend the corporations that are fucking them. If they cared, the corporations wouldn't be able to fuck them, and we would live in a completely different world.
What the actual fuck?
I gave several concrete examples whose usage was originally seen as unassailable, and is now easily measured as essentially zero.
Of the examples I listed, only Shockwave still has any publicly recorded examples of actual continued use, because there's a virtual museum dedicated to preserving it's memory.
That's a fine definition of a failed technology.
You're out of your element, Donny.
Edit: Your other points are essentially that those technologies aren't at their dominant phase yet. I can agree about that.
If you still need convincing (your clearly do) about open standards, read the history of licensed screwdrivers. Closed standards either die off, or become open ones. There are no exceptions.
Windows and iOS are both notable because, in my expert opinion, both have already missed their window of time when they could have become successful open standards.
Their respective owners actually realize that, as well. IBM Mainframe also missed that window, and there's history available to read. We are now seeing the same business patterns (as IBM Mainframe) with Windows and iOS.
Incidentally, IBM Mainframe actually doesn't qualify for my failed technology list, because it's still holding on. Windows probably has similar staying power to IBM Mainframe (hanging on in zombie death for decades). iOS isn't lucky enough to live on huge expensive machines that are hard to move, though. It's not going to be as lucky.
My guy, you are completely overreacting.
I don't know what any of these things are but I'm pretty sure they're not popular social media platforms. If you don't understand why that matters then you have a fundamental lack of understanding of the situation as it stands.
...who? are you talking to?
Sorry. Movie quote. The Big Labowski. Check it out. It's fun. For context, the guy that says that line is a blowhard, not to be taken too seriously. (Like me!)
I understand network effects. All of my examples had large network effects supporting them, in their time.
Seriously. Open standards win. It takes flipping forever sometimes. But they do. Check into the screwdriver thing. It's a cool read. Or for something more recent, the histories of open and closed web browsers. I think you'll find it encouraging.
Did XMPP win? Did RSS win? Did Linux win? These open standards have been around for decades and are still not widely adopted. At what point are they considered a failure?
Is ActivityPub winning? At best it has stalled after gaining a few defectors like myself from those who are unwilling to tolerate bullshit. But at this point I think it's abundantly clear that there is no amount of abuse that the majority of users won't tolerate on proprietary platforms.
When open standards win, it's usually because the platform was built on them, like email or podcasts.
That remains to be seen. I'll gladly accept XMPP as a point in the "against" column, as it has a long way to go, if it succeeds.
Google succeeded handily at their last round of embrace, extend, extinguish, against XMPP, by dropping support from Google Chat.
It's worth noting that the question isn't really whether XMPP replaces WhatsApp, it's whether it can unseat SMS.
SMS is seriously entrenched. I don't know it's state of openess. My understanding is it's mostly run/owned by a few large proprietary players.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS
Again, I'm happy to concede that XMPP looks doomed today, like RSS did a couple decades ago.
RSS certainly hasn't won, yet. But RSS is doing fine, behind the scenes. Most of the RSS the average person interacts with doesn't look, to them, like RSS. There's a lot of RSS still in wide use, today. Competing solutions are currently enshitifying (Google Search, Reddit, Facebook, Xitter), while RSS is still free and still just works.
That's not an automatic win for RSS, until you consider that RSS has already outlived WebCrawler, Digg, MySpace and GeoCities, among others.
I'm calling it early in favor of RSS.
We've agreed that I am prone to do so, though.
Yes. Linux won. The vast majority of computation today runs on Linux.
Windows used to hold a serious percentage of web hosting. My best guess is it was around half. The current percentage is unknown, but generous estimates put it at 3%, at most. For some context, the Azure cloud (Microsoft's web hosting that Office 365 runs on) is known to mostly run on Linux.
But to address the other part of your question:
Something mostly proprietary that costs money and is called Windows with be with us for a long time.
But the Windows kernel is counting it's final days now, while most people haven't noticed.
The Windows kernel is cool, but it's a pure cost center and no longer offers anything that Linux doesn't.
Game developers noticed, this year. I personally, held onto Windows desktop for decades, solely for gaming. I suspect the shift this year will turn out to be a key moment in the spin down of the Windows kernel.
A desktop OS has a ton of moving pieces. We're currently seeing the natural trend for those pieces to take advantage of existing open solutions.
I predict that we will see more and more of that, until the switching cost reaches the current low cost of switching web browsers.
Except it doesn't "just work" because most platforms have abandoned it.
Arguably not where it matters.
You're delusional. Show me evidence that "the Windows kernel" is going away. Linux is still a giant pain in the ass to use unless you have lots of experience with command line.
Some of them? Sure. Big ones? Can't even be bothered to tick a box in the Steam client to make them available. Actively adding features that break Linux compatibility and openly acknowledging that, at best, they don't care.
My dude have you not seen marketshare for Chrome and Safari?
We have established that. It doesn't mean I'm wrong.
That's what my other examples are evidence for. I'm extrapolating a trend I've seen many times before. I could easily be wrong.
I'm not stressing over it though, because I'm happy being a delusional old person.
Yes. And it supports my point. Here's the source code to Chrome: https://github.com/chromium/chromium
Here's the license: https://github.com/chromium/chromium/blob/main/LICENSE
And here's the source code to Safari: https://github.com/WebKit/WebKit
There's an advertising campaign by the current big players that everyone may as well accept their bullshit, because everyone else does.
I'm telling you, from experience, that putting up with that (current) bullshit is temporary.
They'll innovative new bullshit, of course. That's how the pattern goes.
That's the perception I'm trying to counter with the web technology examples I gave above.
I was there building the web, on proprietary products, and I believed that, myself.
I'm delighted to report that I was wrong.
It took decades, but the far less visible corner of the web running on open technologies is now the only portion we currently still have.
With a big delightful exception for Shockwave Flash, and the folks valiantly keeping it alive to preserve it's part in gaming history.
From experience, Lemmy/Mastadon is a lot easier to pitch to potential users than Linux lol
Hard to tell imo. Big tech has a lot of big advantages and disadvantages over us.
Being centralized and heavily funded, it's a lot easier for them to rapidly create/change new things, for better or for worse. It also means they do a lot of the testing for us. Mastodon/Lemmy formats are figured out from what we liked from proprietary platforms, then we kept the core that made it good. We also don't need to make a worse user experience by worrying about monetization.
We also have a lot less development, and I won't even pretend that Mastodon or Lemmy are anywhere near well developed as Reddit/Twitter backends and other software. We simply don't have the attention and funding to be anywhere near that level.
I don't think we'll ever replace big tech, but I just hope we stay on a healthy trajectory where we are alongside them in popularity.
Thank you, u/cum, for your thoughtful insight.
That means everything I am doing is becoming trendy, which makes no sense.
I don’t know. Sounds like communism 🙃
No you smell like communism.
Not yet.
The janky network penetrates the enshittification
Be the change
Using the same client and everything works flawlessly, do your updates buddy
Well, that reminds me that Mastodon has huge, unresolved problems, such as tags being part of the post's body like Twitter rather than being a separate field like Tumblr.
Reading tweets with a hundred hashtags at the bottom seem really thirsty for attention, which is bad because Mastodon wants to fundamentally work with these, yet doesn't have good in-post integration for them. It makes interactions less genuine, more performative.
Rome wasn't built in a day, and Mastodon won't be good tomorrow either. In the meantime, you can vote to make it better on https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/10743.
Try Catodon instead. It's a much better UI and federated.
o7
Now my username is not completely meaningless.
Doing my part O7
It's true, we are za warudo.
<3
Am I the only one who has Firefish crash for them?
The Firefish instance I was on moved to Sharkey instead. As far as I know Firefish is no longer being developed.
Firefish is gone, but Catodon has taken Its place.
And yet it skews (awkwardly?) further from Reddit. Nobody understands that all the important movements of history reached across political lines and focused on a mission. Still missing a both sides vibe from here where everything is equally discussed to succeed.
Your presence and attention are the most precious thing on the internet.
If you're reading this, just know that I will probably butt heads with you at some point. I can be abrasive, and I typically don't censor what I think.
That being said, I wouldn't choose any other social media. Lemmy makes me think of what the United States should be, disparate communities coming together to form a larger and stronger whole. I can be an asshole, spit my shit and have people discuss things with me in a rational manner - for the most part coming to a common understanding.
I've learned a lot about who I want to be from talking to and reading what Lemmians have to say. I will always appreciate this place.
Oh boy...
*Random mods on some instances, however...
Every morning /kbin is working on some issues.
Almost all of you hate me. I'm like second or third against the wall.
The future is decentralized, not federated. That's why I'm on nostr, even if it doesn't deliver yet.
Do you not know how this site works
It is decentralized.
Somebody takes out the lemmy.world server and your identity is gone. So decentralized, lol.
It weirds me out that most of the arguments for nostr I come across are around how "you can't loose your identity, it's just a private/public keypair!". Maybe I just don't get banned enough to understand the perspective, but to me the real problem is the content/discussions being lost, not usernames for some corner of the web.
I really don't care about loosing my identity on a social media website; I've found it healthier to view social media accounts on the same level as my customer account at my isp and power utility. When I change ISPs, the old account is closed down and I start up a new one at the other ISP. What's important to me is the service getting delivered, not that it remembers that I'm the same person from however many years ago. It's still the same me here in my body, interacting with the web. I know what I need from it, it doesn't always need to remember who I am (and sometimes I'd rather it forgot or never knew in the first place).
My final point is a bit of a troll, but also kinda serious: how decentralized is it when your identity is "centralized" in your key pair? Loose your keys or loose your password to the key, and your identity is similarly effectively gone. Even worse in this case, no-one can restore it for you. Which is why I don't tie my identity that much to any online service, especially ones I don't host. The only thing that truly preserves my identity is the flesh-and-blood body that I inhabit (and even that isn't fail-proof).
I've interacted with GPG signing circles before. So many people are losing access to their keys. So many more are considering some of their keys as compromised. In either case they're regularly generating wholly new keys, essentially rebooting their "identity" from scratch. When they do so, they always rely on flesh-and-blood interactions to have their new identity verified and trusted by others.
Maybe it's a question of which circles we're involved in; mine are already regularly hopping accounts, without being forced to by bans or server outages. I'm used to interpreting the tone & content to recognize "people", and ignoring usernames. On top of that so many people regularly change their display names on social media for vanity and expression purposes that I can't reliably use them anyways for recognizing accounts.
You may also interact with countless bots without ever knowing, because creating fake identities is free.
Fair, some people value their identity.
For average people nothing changes, the app can hold their key for them and even offer email recovery.
That's something having signatures and a web of trust solves.
Besides, you fail to see another problem: Whichever centralized, federated site you use can manipulate anything you read and publish.
Anyway, if you don't see a need for tools like nostr you don't need them.
Maybe. Bots don't seem currently capable of holding a conversation beyond surface level remarks. I think I tend to engage with thought-provoking stuff.
On the off chance that I reply to a bot, it is as much for my reply to be read by other humans viewing the conversation. So I don't understand how interacting with countless bots is supposed to be such a big downside.
Plus, I don't see how public/private key pairs prevents endless "fake" identity creation/proliferation. It's not like you need a government-issued ID to generate them (which, to be clear, still wouldn't be great -just got other reasons).
To be clear, I'm talking about online identities. In which case, I would argue that if you value it so much you should not delegate it to some third party network. My IRL identity is incredibly valuable to me, which is why I don't tie it up with any online communications services, especially ones I have no control over.
...so then the app can post on my behalf without me knowing? And it'll be signed as if I had done it myself. I don't understand preferring this if you're not also self hosting.
But as I wrote in my previous message regarding gpg signing circles (a web of trust), that doesn't "solve" things. It just introduces more layers and steps to try and compensate for an inherently impossible ideal. Unless I'm misunderstanding your point here?
I just take that for granted on the internet. It's true that key-signing messages should make that effectively impossible for all but the largest third parties (FAANG & nation-states). But you still need to verify keys/identities through some out-of-band mechanism, otherwise aren't you blindly trusting the decentralized network to be providing you with the "true" keys and post, as made by the human author?
Maybe I'm not expressing myself properly; I don't see how nostr (and tools like it) effectively address that/those needs.
Sort of like how there was (arguably still is) a need for cash that governments can't just annul or reverse transactions of, yet bitcoin and all cryptocurrencies I'm aware of fail on that front by effectively allowing state actors (who have state resources) to participate in the mining network and execute 51% attacks.
Someone takes out tchncs.de and your account and my alt are gone. My main account will still be there. „Decentralized“ by nature but if people flock together in good old manner they will break the system.
My username is not my identity.
Get a life.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
That's the most delusional shit i've ever heard
There's always one in the comment section. And today, it's you!
Thanks for doing your part.
One of what? Quite sure I had contributed to the Lemmyverse more than most people here, I have nothing left to prove. Thx