Vance mocked for saying eggs cost $4 — while standing in front of a dozen for $2.99

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independent.co.uk

JD Vance was roundly mocked online over a trip to the supermarket where he bemoaned the steep price of eggs — and botched the photo opp.

The Republican vice presidential nominee stopped by a supermarket in Reading, Pennsylvania, with his sons over the weekend to illustrate how grocery prices have been impacted by “Kamala Harris’s policies” when he claimed a dozen eggs cost $4.

The problem? When footage of the visit emerged, Vance was quickly called out by viewers who spotted the price tag of a dozen eggs behind him was actually $2.99.

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I mean, I think that he's got a valid broader point that egg prices haven't been great for a couple of years.

However...that's not really due to anything that Biden has done, much less Harris.

A lot of it was due to major avian flu outbreaks:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bird-flu-outbreak-egg-prices-2024/

April 24, 2024

A multi-state outbreak of avian influenza, also known as bird flu, is leading to a jump in the price of eggs around the U.S. — an unhappy reminder for consumers that a range of unforeseen developments can trigger inflation.

As of April 24, a dozen large grade A eggs cost an average of $2.99, up nearly 16% from $2.52 in January, according to federal labor data. The price increase comes as nearly 9 million chickens across Michigan, Minnesota, New Mexico and Texas have been discovered to be infected with bird flu in recent weeks, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. That is crimping egg supplies, leading to higher prices.

https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/egg-prices-rise-bird-flu-farm/

September 9, 2024

LONG LAKE, Minn. — Minnesota shoppers may be experiencing some sticker shock as eggs again emerges as a hot commodity.

According to the USDA, the average wholesale price for a dozen large Grade A eggs reached $4.26 in the Midwest region. That's up $0.09 since last week, but up roughly 20% compared to what was recorded in last summer's consumer price index.

"I'm not surprised by the volatility," Loree Kinney, store director at the Orono Market explained. "There's volatility in milk, there's volatility in dairy products, and in meat. There's not much you can do about the supply and demand."

Indeed, economists have for months pointed to a bird flu outbreak as a key reason for dwindling supplies of eggs across the U.S. coming from major producers.

You can't really lay that much at Harris's feet, though.

I do kind of wonder how practical it would be to have some company just store powdered eggs if the prices are going to be jerking around that much. Can't do a sunny-side-up egg or anything like that, but for baking, it should be fine.

Exactly. Egg prices have gone up in large part because factory farming is unsustainable and we're starting to see that with flu outbreaks. Who'da thunk.

Yes, eggs should be from small farms with 12 chickens max each, that should solve everything, quality control, diseases and the high prices on eggs.
Same with everything else, factories make shitty products, you should rather order from a craftsman.
/s

PS:
Oh yes BTW, AFAIK the flu outbreaks started in nature, not on farms.

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The ignoratum around here is staggering.
I never argued that we shouldn't improve the conditions for chickens, but to argue we can have production in mostly any kind of farming today that isn't heavily mechanized and factory like is extremely ignorant. How else do you feed 300 million people in USA or 700 million in EU efficiently?

I'm downvoted for speaking the truth, and seemingly most people here wants to live a fantasy denying reality.
I personally buy organic eggs, and never from cages, but even that is factories, they just have slightly better conditions.

I know people who have their own chickens laying eggs, but even they can have diseases, so regulation for having your own has been increased a lot here (EU) lately for that too.

You do what you want, but to claim it's feasible to get rid of the "factories" is wishful thinking.
We can however improve the factories, so the chicken get better conditions. And we've been doing that already since the 60's.

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You’re making a reducto ad absurdum argument by intentionally using absurd quantities and time periods that are not required to accomplish this goal.

OK, how many chickens are required before it becomes an industrial production, and not just hobby level?
Is it less safe to have a few hundred than a dozen? The answer is obviously yes. So the problem claimed in the post I responded to, exist with everything above hobby level production.
So I stand by the argument as valid. And the post I responded to as naive.

  • Unlike the similarly awful 2014 outbreak, you correctly point out that these outbreaks are originating in the wild. And keeping chickens in awful, inhumane conditions where they live in their own filth jam-packed among thousands of other chickens is basically the perfect vector for a pathogen.
  • Getting chickens out of factory farms is a good unto itself, but I doubt you've ever watched any footage or done any research to familiarize yourself with the sorts of horrors you pay for when you buy eggs from a factory farm. Let alone based on your callous attitude that you would actually care about those horrors.
  • Weird strawman that the two kinds of farms that exist are late stage capitalist hellholes where billions of chickens go every year to live a life of unfathomable torture... and your Aunt Betty's backyard chicken coop where every chicken gets a wacky name and their own posts on Facebook documenting their antics.

My mother raises hens and a dozen birds can actually make so many eggs that our entire family has trouble using them all. A bird lays on average one egg a day, and pasture-raised eggs are so rich as to be almost unpalatable to eat directly.

I don't think every farm needs to have some strict limit like that, but more numerous, smaller, more localized farms would be better for everyone in almost every way. Better environmentally, more humane to the birds, people get fresher and higher quality eggs, and more people are employed. Also more limited damage from diseases, droughts, and so on.

Our current system isnt just bad because "factories bad." It's bad because it's heavily centralized and top-down controlled. This is much cheaper to operate and funnels money towards the owner much better, but is so much worse in every way that local farms are better.

We're making millions of birds suffer and getting shittier, more expensive product because of it so less than a dozen people (the real bad eggs) can stay filthy rich.

more numerous, smaller, more localized farms would be better for everyone

Either those farmers would make a lot less money, like barely being able to make a living, or the price of their products would have to be way higher than what we pay today. Like not just a few percent, but a factors higher.

My mother raises hens and a dozen birds can actually make so many eggs that our entire family has trouble using them all.

And?
Do you really believe I don't know that?

pasture-raised eggs are so rich as to be almost unpalatable to eat directly.

WTF? That's bullshit.
Maybe you are confusing them with eggs from free reigning ducks, which IMO taste awful. But from chicken they are really really good.

On the other hand, I can get free range eggs cheaper than your factory made ones in the most expensive parts of the EU, and our population is greater than that of the US, we are feeding more people, yet I can safely eat them raw without the risk of salmonella.

Free range are only marginally better than cages at best.

Sorry, I was thinking of what in English apparently is called barn eggs, which is not really better than cages.
Free range is the best condition for chickens. And absolutely what we should buy.
But this production has problems, like chicken pecking each other way more than "good" cage conditions, because they are kept in larger groups. And is still a factory/industry when at a scale which is needed to fill demand.

US free range and EU free range are not the same by far.

In the US, free range poultry must:

  • have access to the outdoors for more than 51% of the animal's life

In the EU:

  • hens have continuous daytime access to open-air runs throughout their lives
  • the open-air runs to which hens have access are mainly covered with vegetation and not used for other purposes
  • the open-air runs must at least have 4 sqm per hen, with adequate shelter, drinking and feeding facilities

And that's in addition to different food safety standards that make most US poultry non-importable to the EU.

In Canada there's free range and free run. Free run are the indoor bullshit ones, I bought them a couple of times and the yolks are the same piss-yellow as the cheapest factory eggs. Proper free range are worth the $8 or so a dozen imo, the colour and taste is so much better which must at least mean there are some standards

Yes there's a huge difference, free range are definitely better in every way, but also more expensive.
They are also more healthy to eat, because they contain essential fatty acids that occur naturally in eggs, but is lost in cheap production with lower quality feed. Stress and lack of exercise are probably factors too.
The more healthy eggs to eat also taste better.

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Thing is, Biden has been paying farmers for their losses and ramping up inspections to detect and stop spread.

Egg prices would be even worse if Biden was sitting on his ass. We’d have even more of a supply and demand discrepancy.

But, maybe Trump wants to propose injecting chickens with bleach.

Not to mention the price spike on eggs specifically is also way less than he would like to make it appear. Yes, in 2020 dollars, a dozen eggs was $1.50. But adjusted for inflation to today's dollars, that 1.50 is actually about 2 dollars today (inflation being a much broader issue and highly affected by covid). So the price didn't jump from 1.50 to 4 dollars, an increase of 167%, nor even from 1.5 to 3 dollars, an increase of 100%. It only went up from 2 dollars to just under 3 dollars (given the signs), an increase of just under 50 percent. Considering all the avian flu outbreaks that is an entirely reasonable price hike on a high demand good.

I see the point you are trying to make, but inflation doesn't quite when that way.

Comparing the prices of the same commodities at two different points in time is literally how inflation is calculated, the increase from $1.50 to $4 is real.

Now, what the inflation-adjusted dollars are telling you is that if eggs had only increased in price commensurate with general inflation, they would have gone from $1.50 to $2. The extra $2 increase is above what a consumer would expect given the general increase in the prices of everything else. If someone (magically) had a salary that increases with inflation, they would find eggs today to be a larger fraction of their spending if they kept the same level of consumption.

Eggs are more expensive both in absolute and relative to other products. The reasons for this are complex, but due in no small part to people continuing to buy large quantities of eggs even when they were heinously expensive in the early days of the pandemic. The market absorbed that information and came to the conclusion that eggs were previously undervalued.

First, you missed the part where the actual price now is not 4 dollars? He lied. It was 3 dollars, per the sign right behind him.

Second, national inflation is calculated off a broad spectrum of goods and services providing insight into the relative buying power of tthe dollar itself, so it is not missing the point to compare based on the adjusted buying power of the dollar. It is a more accurate reflection of the true rise in cost of this individual good comparing how its rise in price has outpaced the average rise in costs across the board. It reflects the extra pressures put on the egg market from the avian flu outbreaks and possible other factors rather than the general inflation of the entire economy.

Third, if Vance's goal was to demonstrate that inflation in general had gone up tremendously and blame Harris specifically for that (despite how ridiculous that is), using eggs as a specific measure of the effect of their policies when the price hike on eggs have significantly outpaced other goods and is clearly due to non-policy related circumstances outside anyone's control is obviously disingenuous. And that was before he lied and tried to add another 30+ percent on top of the already inflated price.

Intentionally did not talk about Vance, I was merely responding to the idea that using past prices adjusted for inflation compared to current prices isn't that straightforward.

Thanks for the lecture, appreciate the tone.

I think they know this but it won’t help their campaign. That’s the state of US politics. Just like the gas prices. Biden was blamed for increasing gas prices while all the gas companies showed record profits because they just increased their prices.

I know CA voted for more humane living conditions for egg farms years ago. That seemed to have a direct price impact that slowly came down a bit.

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He said his three kids—7,4 and 3 years old—eat “14 eggs every single morning”. Either he’s an idiot or the toddlers are training to fight Dolph Lundgren.

I am sure the actual quote is even stupider than I can imagine but:

Three kids. Let's assume 3 sunny side up eggs for him, 7, and 4. That gets 9. Then whatever his couch eats so let's say 10-11. Then another 3 or 4 for a "big pile of scrambled eggs" for the 3 year old and for the 4 year old to actually eat because yucky runny eggs. And then whatever his servants are able to sneak off to feed themselves.

It is very reasonable for a household that doesn't care about money or food waste.

I mean .... Vance is an idiot, but I have three boys. Between me, my wife, and my three kids, we each eat 2-3 eggs worth of scrambled eggs some mornings. 5x2 is 10, 5x3 is 15. That's right in line with his claims, if he counts himself and wife, which he probably is and just being an idiot again.

That said, I don't have eggs EVERY DAY. FFS my cholesterol would be sky high. I do buy 10-15 dozen eggs at a time, though, because the local farmer's market sells 15 dozen for $25-30 and eggs will keep for 6-10 weeks in the fridge that is consistently the same low, near freezing temp (perfect for the outdoor, secondary fridge).

FFS my cholesterol would be sky high.

Cholesterol intake is not directly correlated with blood cholesterol. Eat all the eggs you want. The bigger problem is saturated and trans fat.

Further, in the specific circumstances where eggs are the source of dietary cholesterol, an improvement in dyslipidemias is observed due to the formation of less atherogenic lipoproteins and changes in HDL associated with a more efficient reverse cholesterol transport. However, if the cholesterol sources are consumed with saturated and trans fats, as happens in the Western diet pattern, increases in plasma cholesterol may be observed.

One of those egg council creeps got to you too eh?

The bigger problem is [...] trans [...].

Such a transphobic statement.

Either he’s an idiot or the toddlers are training to fight Dolph Lundgren.

¿Por qué no los dos?

They obviously each eat one egg per year of age.

I'm not Cool Hand Luke. I can't eat fifty eggs.

Not with that attitude, you can't.

Have you even seen the price of eggs? They're either $2.99 or $4 and I can't just ask my friends for all their chickens' output

OMG. His kids must shit solid bricks.

Did he just add their ages together? Does that mean he eats 40 eggs each morning? Fucking weirdo

I could totally have gone for a five-egg omelette or scrambled eggs every morning when I was a kid.

My mother was not going to do that every morning, though.

That's more than enough protein for three young children .

Why did Kamala Harris choose for there to be an avian flu epidemic that led to many bird deaths/culling? I can't believe she'd write that into policy!

The lying about the price aside, fucking morons, I swear to god.

Do we know that's actually the reason the prices doubled (and is jt still a valid reason)? Or is it mostly just unchecked gouging like almost all other groceries?

First one, then the other, and that's why Kroger is getting their asses sued off by the FTC under Biden appointee Lina Khan. The avian flu issue was a legitimate supply/demand squeeze for a little while, until it wasn't, and Kroger didn't back down an inch, so the FTC is stepping in.

It's probably both. You find an excuse to raise prices, you build in some extra margin so you only have to raise the price in one big go instead of smaller increments that better reflect market prices. Your competitors do the same, and you just tell everyone there's nothing you can do, it's just inflation.

Sounds reasonable, I was asking if we have actual data instead of Feels.

There's been a couple studies. This NYT article summarizes some of them. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/15/business/economy/kamala-harris-inflation-price-gouging.html

The article says that the cause is complex. Corporate profits are part of it, but also increased wages across the supply chain, and strong demand (more people eating at home instead of eating out) vs lower supply (egg shortages, for example). I saw another article suggesting that climate change was also harshly impacting the supply chain, but it didn't list a solid source.

I've never understood the "more people eating at home" argument for hight food prices. The same amount of food is being bought even if a restaurant is buying less. Like food magically doesn't get eaten or needed more based on people eating at home or eating out. The food would just be going to the grocer instead the restaurant directly. Or am I misunderstanding this?

IIRC, one of the lessons from the pandemic is that restaurant and grocery store food chains are separate things. It isn't easy to switch between them.

Logistics is boring, but really important.

That makes some sense but it sounds like a problem for the companies to solve logistically and not just burden on the household buyer as a bandage.

That's a great point, I'm not sure.

Either way though, it has nothing to do with top level leadership. It's either something the FTC needs to take care of (price gouging) or the USDA (avian flu).

I don’t know that anyone has traced that out but there were articles predicting this some months ago.

Why is this dude this bad at being a politician? I feel like if you pick a random person off the street and swapped places with Vance, they would have more charisma, and also more experience with groceries and donut shops.

Why is this dude this bad at being a politician?

Because he's literally an idiot.

I feel like if you pick a random person off the street and swapped places with Vance, they would have more charisma, and also more experience with groceries and donut shops.

Well, ANYONE would be better than Putin. Even most drunk alcoholic from streets.

Wait, you were talking not about Putin?

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Quote: "now a dozen eggs will cost you around four dollars thanks to Kamala Harris' inflationary policies".
Checks source: Average cost $4.10.

Edit: I’ve updated this post to reflect the point of it being posted in News.

The problem? When footage of the visit emerged, Vance was quickly called out by viewers who spotted the price tag of a dozen eggs behind him was actually $2.99.

– Vance is being called out for saying eggs cost around $4 while standing in front of eggs that costs $3 when in fact the average cost for eggs he is standing in front of is $4.10.

I hate that this is the bullshit we spend our time arguing over.

good post. i hate vance and I don't think inflation is bidens fault but i wish everyone would stop acting like clowns.

Strong agree. I think most people just go for the low hanging fruit because they don't actually care enough to be invested in policy. The vast majority of "news" is just trash to generate clicks and engagement and we all suck it up like calorie-free frappaccinos.

I posted earlier in response to his full comment regarding the "inflation explosion act". This is something worth reading about - that the Inflation Reduction Act has not had any immediate impact on inflation to date (up or down). Others here have accurately commented about the disease spreading across poultry farms which has most impacted the costs of eggs in particular.

It's also worth pointing out that bird flu is increasingly having an impact on cattle. https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/bird-flu-is-spreading-rapidly-in-california-infected-herds-double-over-weekend/ So, expect dairy prices to slowly and steadily increase.

i wish everyone would stop acting like clowns.

Don't hold your breath. It's been this dumb for as long as I can remember.

Well the Democrats are running a campaign on Joy and "Look how shitty and Dumb those guys are".
So I am not expecting good political discussion around this election.

Everyone seeks the validation they crave, of being right before they ask any questions or have to look at reality. And that means ignoring issues to prove they are the most morally connected to their side of righteousness.

Each side is gonna provide their snippets to their sycophants to feel superior.

I just want to point out that the box he is holding... well it's not a dozen eggs. That's more like.. 30 eggs? or something. 5 rows times 6 rows, if my eyes aren't deceiving me. No idea how many eggs are in all those boxes behind the price tags, of course, but still. Saying a dozen when you're holding two-dozen or more is also a lie. :p

Edit: or is it 6 x 6 rows? That's 3 dozen eggs he's holding. Edit2: not sure why the downvote. I'm not making it up, you can see him holding the box.

I fail to see how that is relevant at all. He could be holding a steak or a roll of paper towels standing in front of bananas or at a car dealership and speak about the cost of a dozen eggs.

What is relevant is his claim that "Harris' inflationary policies" had an impact on the price of items at grocery stores. This is untrue.

I think I get it. The internet wants to call out every detail in an image as if they're true crime detectives. They want to be more right than everyone else. But only based on the most simple piece of content possible. If it requires reading a few paragraphs, or finding your own source material that a news outlet fails to provide, or using a middle school degree of reading / listening comprehension that's too much work. I did that here, and hate that it needed to be done, to back up my previous comments elsewhere in this thread.

I responded to a post that took a bunch of price tags and calculated an average price of $4,10 for a dozen eggs. I pointed out that we can't even see how many eggs are in each of those boxes behind the price tags, so the conclusion that a dozen eggs cost on average $4,10 is bullshit (and I used Vance himself holding a box of 3 dozen eggs as proof, because it shows that obviously not all those boxes hold only a dozen eggs). Simple math would show that when you put any of those price tags on a box of 3 dozen eggs, the average price of a dozen eggs goes down significantly.

And you can hold off on the weird insults. I don't even really care. Not American, I have no horse in this race. Just wanted to point out that the average price conclusion was wrong.

Ok. Simple observation of the image would inform you that you’re wrong. I’m not sure how one person can say the sky is blue and the other look at the same sky and claim it’s “obviously red”.

I wasn’t insulting you. I was speaking generally about the internet’s strange insistence to focus on pointless semantics for the sake of pride. Although, this conversation informs me that maybe there is some elementary education left to discuss among grown adults. I’m going to do us both the favor and assume you’re trolling me.

I bet the $4 ones are 18 count instead of 12 count. I always buy mine in 18s and you can’t really tell unless you look from above.

You are being a shit, I’m not sure if it’s on purpose but you’re so shit sure of yourself you won’t even take a beat to see if you could understand where someone else is coming from. Grow the fuck up.

I was going to point this out as well. He said "a dozen" eggs. Has anyone with eagle eyes verified that some of the more expensive tags on there are not in front of 18 or 24 pack cartons? I sure as hell can't tell from the potato quality of the image, plus the shelves being out of the camera's depth of field a bit.

Anyway, regardless of all other tomfoolery either real or imagined, the average price of a dozen eggs nationwide is roughly $3.20 at present,. This is demonstrably down from its peak last year, which was $4.82.

You’re tripling down on this? This is the hill you want to die on?

Do you think a grocer would stock 18 eggs next to 12 eggs without any clear indication until you took it off the top shelf? Or do you think they’d stack it differently, on a lower shelf, so you could easy discern the difference?

What the fuck does this have to do with the fucking point of this story? You want to argue over a fucking dollar? That’s important to you?

I’m not the same person I just recognized you were a jackass and decided to call you out on it, turns out you’re not even an observant jackass.

It's only one banana, what could it cost. Ten Dollars?

Republican challenge impossible: Speak any sentance without lying.

Do they need Peskov? Volodin says he is so good, that he works for National Tresure(Putin). He can lie even when silent. He is kinda national treasure too, but Republicans(or anyone else) can have him for free if they choose self-pickup.

Well I mean you can get eggs for $4. You don't have to, but you can. It depends on how well you want the chickens to be treated.

I mean don't get me wrong, Vance is still a fucking tool. But the prices of premium products do not reflect the prices of what the average working class consumer can afford.

You can get eggs for $10,000 if someone is willing to charge that much and you're willing to pay it.

I know someone like that. Special eggs from a small farm in Australia flown on a plane to where they will be eating breakfast.

Truly horrifying.

Even though I would never do anything like that, this makes me glad I'm not wealthy enough to afford doing that sort of stupid shit because I'd end up being around the sort of people who cater to the sort of people who do stupid shit. Like if I wanted to do something like buy a house or a car. "Oh, you're worth $100 million? I have this vast McMansion just for you. What do you mean you don't like that McMansion? How about this McMansion? What? A three bedroom house with a finished basement? No no, you don't want that!"

It depends on how well you want the chickens to be treated.

Sounds like legislative skill isssue.

James "JD Vance" Bowman is either the dumbest man alive, or it's a 7D plan to sabotage the Trump campaign

Either is possible

Hanlon's Razor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor?wprov=sfla1

that's not applicable for fascists. they're stupid and malicious.

Or not stupid and act stupid for plausible deniability should anything fall back into them.

The government in my country isn't even fascist, just conservative and abused this mechanism for extreme corruption without any consequences. (A ministry "failed" and gave a company almost half a billion in contract-penalties for literally no work at all. Lots of other shady shit happened, like destroyed documents or missing documentation... a total mess on purpose)

"Kamala Harris’s policies"? Well, I guess we don't need an election is she's already in office making these policies exist in reality.

This isn't anything new, I've seen GOP defenders in comments say the same thing. For some reason she's already doing things outside the VP job just because she's running for President. They sure forgot Biden fast, as well as things put into place by their favored Trump when he was slashing and burning in office. It's the old "look at the gas prices" ignorance.

I had a person talking at me the other day because of my retail job. They said, "I can't understand why someone would vote for someone, if you've already seen them in power and you don't like what you see."

I said, "Exactly! Makes perfect sense."

Then they went on to add, "I mean, she's been in the White House 3 and a half years!"

Not just GOP defenders. She's personally sending arms to Israel because she apparently sets that policy. She also, for some reason I just can't imagine, refuses to call her boss a war criminal.

Oh well, at least we can call her "Holocaust Harris," am I right? Because that's not super fucking offensive to more than one group of people.

Is JD Vance wearing eyeliner? He looks like a poor Tim Minchin impersonator.

I remember reading somewhere that it was likely something he picked up from his wife, as it is apparently not uncommon in India?

That could have been a lie, but honestly who cares how the guy chooses to dress or present? His views and words are toxic enough that we don’t need to resort to personal attacks on his appearance; calling him and his ilk ‘weird’ is more cutting to them than anything else.

I mean, he probably shouldn't be talking about drag queens.

My problem with it, and this might be wrong so sorry if i am, is that he doesnt have a clue how the people he represents live. Politics have separated from the people and he doesnt recognize this. Instead of understanding his job or his land, he seem to care more for his looks. Its another little step in diverting from the people. I personally have no problem at all if someone just does what he/she likes as long as no boundaries are hurt. Im happy that this gets more common these days.

The best way to look at it is to ask “if he cared less about his appearance, and dressed more slovenly - would it excuse his abhorrent views and stances?”.

If the answer is no, then it should be a non-factor.

A cynical part of me thinks that some of the more outlandish politicians dress that way (Trump’s hair dye and fake tan, JD Vance’s guyliner, Boris Johnson’s unkempt hair, etc.) are done in part as an attempt to de-rail reporting by having us fall into the easy trap of ridiculing their appearance rather than criticising their views and actions.

While I do think this is an intended strategy for Boris Johnson (he’s admitted as much), I think the clown show which is Vance / Trump, and don’t forget Giuliani’s dripping hair dye, is not premeditated. That would be giving them too much credit.

I think they are just simply bumbling from one grift to the next, completely unaware of how ridiculous they look.

It's to make them stand out, so you don't confound them with other people.

Trump just looks like any old man without his ridiculous makeup.

To me, it's more about the fact that if any of his followers saw someone in makeup and decided they were a man in any other instance, they would treat that person like shit.

The conservative folks I talk to always, always, always bring up the price of eggs and the price of gas when they are talking about how bad the economy is these days.

I've heard "Groceries have doubled in price." many times. Obviously I can't prove that's not true for them, but then I ask what items that they buy regularly have doubled in price? The answer: "Eggs".

Okay, so what else, I know that eggs alone do not make up your entire grocery bill? "Everything". That's pretty much all I get.

Even if they can tell me a few more things that have doubled in price, it's basically going to be outliers or things I know for a fact they rarely/never buy. Like when it comes to the eggs, they'll make claims like "eggs are $10 a dozen", but when pressed about it, you find out they're talking about the gourmet premium brand that's always been way more expensive than the cheap ones and which they've never purchased in their entire lives.

Okay but groceries actually have doubled in price. Where they're wrong is the blame. They blame Biden, who actually got the trust busting stick out. While giving a pass to GOP leaders who just keep blaming the poor while grocery chains gleefully price gouge us.

This. I actually drink water now beacuse soda is too fucking expensive

Good! Water is better for you and amazing. Get you one of those vacuum metal water bottles (hydroflask or knockoff) and fill that sucker with ice cubes and water and you’ll never need soda again (except as the occasional treat).

The "gourmet premium eggs" (regular eggs laid by pastured chickens instead of life-in-a-tiny-cage chickens) also barely increased in price during the covid/bird flu/supply chain price gouge excuses.

Weird thing is, sometimes the "premium" eggs are cheaper than the standard eggs, because the prices don't fluctuate nearly as much. I have a thing of cage free brown eggs in my fridge that was actually cheaper than the plain, white store brand eggs right now.

I consume a lot of cottage cheese. Pre-Covid the 48oz container I buy cost about $2.50. The price spiked to about $5.00 during quarantine and has since fallen down to about $3.00. There's a lot of items that have followed similar trends and, while they're more expensive than they were in early 2020, they're not at their Covid spike prices which is what everyone seems to think.

I'm not a right winger and while I can't give specifics exactly, I do basically buy the same things every week because I'm boring like that. All cheap stuff, no organic or gourmet anything. I can say that in the last say 18 months I went from spending $65-$80/week depending on whether I was restocking non food items, to spending $110-120/week. Not exactly double, but damn close.

To get it back to the 70ish I now just eat less and I don't buy any extras like anything premade. :/

And are you stupid enough to blame this on the current Vice President? Or even the President?

Wow, not even in the Oval Office yet and Kamala is already fiddling with the "egg prices" dial on the Resolute desk.

Thanks to Kamala Harris’s inflationary policies

She's VP. She doesn't have to power to increase egg prices even if she wanted to. They really don't know how to run against anyone but Biden, huh?

Facts don't matter for the maga crowd. Only feelings. And they feel that eggs are 4 USD. Therefore eggs are 4 USD, despite evidence to the contrary.

They also don't want solutions, they only want to complain. Which is why trump and vance are still good for them.

This story is absolutely trash. Here's a link to the video I presume this trash article is referring to https://x.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1837581418329002260 You can see, like every grocery store I've ever been to, a number of different prices for eggs, including at least three for $4.99 and one for $3.99.

EDIT: Here's the photo op since some people prefer to comment on headlines rather than source material.
The average price of visible price tags is $4.10. Though I still argue that the literal price tag on these eggs is far from the relevant point of his words. Arguing over the average value in the background of an image is wholly irrelevant to a politician making claims about policy.

The take away from this video shouldn't be hurdur the tag says $2.99 but the discussion of his claim about "Kamala Harris' inflationary policies" and "because she cast a deciding vote on the Inflation Explosion Act". At least, that's what a reputably news organization would give a shit about discussing.

This article from PBS quotes Alex Arnon, an economic and budget analyst for the University of Pennsylvania’s Penn Wharton Budget Model, “We can say with pretty strong confidence that it was mostly other factors that have brought inflation down,’’ he said. “The IRA has just not been a significant factor.’’

This bit from Wiki says "the benefits of the Act will likely not be felt before the 2024 election, but that the Act is a great long-term strategy to decouple from volatile energy markets that drive inflation and that the Act will reduce inflation over the medium to long-term."

The Inflation Reduction Act actually had very little to do with inflation or the price of eggs. The price of eggs has been mostly dictated by disease and the need to slaughter millions of birds.

Moreover, I understand the (under/misinformed) complaint people have about rising egg prices as it pertains to kitchen table economics. However, from the perspective of what we're putting into our bodies and paying people a fair wage to do honest work, we should be complaining that eggs are too cheap.

Of all things, it continues to shock me how inexpensive eggs are. I've been paying $5-$7 for a dozen eggs from local producers for about ten years. They're noticeably more delicious, it's less impactful to the environment, the chickens are far less prone to disease, I assume the chickens are healthier and have a better diet, my dollars go towards a local economy not some billion dollar corporation on the other side of the country.

Thank you. I can't get certified humane eggs for less than $4, and I live in a low-cost-of-living area. I'm willing to pay more for them.

The take away from this video shouldn’t be hurdur the tag says $2.99

This is supposed to be a man that could be president and he can't just double check something like the price of the eggs he's standing next to when he's doing a photo op. Literally all he had to do was look and he didn't have that level of attention to what was happening around him.

So I think that should be a takeaway.

How did you get to that part while ignoring the preceding sentence?

Here’s a link to the video I presume this trash article is referring to https://x.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1837581418329002260 You can see, like every grocery store I’ve ever been to, a number of different prices for eggs, including at least three for $4.99 and one for $3.99.

Every store has eggs tagged at different prices depending on what kind they are. If you look quickly and see more signs that start with $4 than $2, would you say eggs are $2.99 or "around $4"?

I'm really amazed at the ignorance, be it willful or not, all Americans are capable of.

I mean... all you had to do was look.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that he didn't bother checking the prices around him in his own photo op, showing a complete lack of attention to his surroundings.

If you want to talk about high gas prices, don't do it standing in front of a gas station sign with significantly lower-than-average prices unless you're going to bring that fact up.

I edited my comment with an image of the source since you didn't care to look for yourself.

Every store has eggs tagged at different prices depending on what kind they are. If you look quickly and see more signs that start with $4 than $2, would you say eggs are $2.99 or “around $4”?

The answer to your question is $2.99.

When you say "cars are costing three million dollars this year" and you're standing by both a Lamborghini and a Kia, you look like a fool.

Evidence has been presented to you which you are ignoring for the sake of your own narrative. You are so obsessed with your political agenda that you can not admit that your "opponent" might be right for once. The average price of the eggs he is standing in front of is $4.10. Vances' statement about the price of eggs is 100% accurate.

Regardless, the story is not about the price of eggs. The story is about a political candidate making remarks about policy which may or may not have impacted the price of eggs and other consumer goods. These specific remarks are a mixed bag as the price of eggs are impacted more by disease and the price of other goods were not impacted by the Inflation Reduction Act.

I don't understand how people are so blinded by their politics that they twist reality to turn the truth into fiction. You are disseminating "fake news" and deepening the divide between us.

This is exactly what's wrong with us. When one side makes a claim that the other side sees very clearly to be false then we attack each other over something (a meme) that's whole irrelevant to our lives. We should be discussing inflation. Because clearly, not enough people have a clue about how it works. We should be discussing this candidates claim that an Act of Congress caused the price of consumer goods to increase. Is that true or is it not? What is it that this administration has actually done?

This is what should guide us at the polls and in our political discourse, not if a quick glance at the price of eggs in one store in one part of one state is accurate to the dollar or not.

Where did he talk about averages? This is what he said:

Eggs, when Kamala Harris took office, were short of $1.50 a dozen. Now a dozen eggs will cost you around $4. Thanks to Kamala Harris’s inflationary policies, Pennsylvania actually has seen some of the worst grocery price increases of the entire nation, and again, it’s because she cast a deciding what vote on the inflation explosion act.

If he wanted to talk about averages, as the article says:

While some eggs do cost over $4, the average price of a dozen was $3.20 in August, according to data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. In January 2023 the price was much higher, averaging at $4.82 per dozen.

So either way he was being dishonest. Sorry you don't care for that, but he still was.

Now a dozen eggs will cost you around $4.

Right there.

So, now you want to ignore the signs behind him and use statistics for the country?

Just stop. You are not contributing to any valuable discourse.

I don't see anything about averages in that sentence.

So, now you want to ignore the signs behind him and use statistics for the country?

He's literally talking about the whole country, not just the store he's in. Do you really think he's saying Kamala Harris made the price of eggs an average of $4 a dozen in that specific store only?

You're twisting the reality you've already twisted to continue to fit your narrative. I will not follow you down that rabbit hole.

If you'd like to discuss the real story, the "inflation explosion act" and even the lack of policy proposals by the Trump campaign (to my knowledge) to reduce the costs of goods, I'd be happy to do so.

I'm not twisting anything. The average is simply not $4. In fact the average isn't even $4 in that store. Not when there are cheaper options. That's not how averages work.

I get that you don't like that Vance is a liar, but he still lied.

Those poor kids are adorable too. At least it doesn't look like they got any goblin genes from dad.

I've been rewatching Veep in honor of Kamala and only having moderate anxiety going into November and... this is the kind of shit even Selina wouldn't have screwed up on. Part of that is very much that Selina might be a horrible person but she is a fundamentally good leader who cares about The American People.

But it is also just that this level of unforced error from candidates with entire political parties behind them should be unfathomable. Even Veep usually had to make convoluted situations for why Selina would always be blindsided by something The Main Party did or what horrible tragedy she was accidentally mocking that week.

And yet... that is the GOP.

Unfortunately, these people can get away with anything in the current political environment. It has no consequences. Their followers hear only what they say and none of the corrections and criticism.

That's nice. Where I live, they're only 3.85/dozen.

1.5 droubles for pack of ten. One drouble is approximately one dollar or exactly 100 roubles.

That is so embarrassing.

Once you break through the line of just making shit up about people with a different skin tone than your own eating household pets and s promoting this to the level of a key element of your campaign, adding a couple of bucks to the price of something even with the real price in plain view comes super easy. I bet this guy has literally peed on someone and told them it was raining.

He is an idiot but the price of eggs is definitely up quite a bit. Cheapest near me is $3.70/dozen. That is over double what it was a couple years ago. Bird flu is part of it but considering how much collusion there has been in the market (my AG sent people a decent check sadist of successful lawsuits against poultry and pork producers for price fixing), I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of it.

But if he is trying to make it seem like there is massive inflation in the good market overall, he is wrong. Food price inflation has been lower than general inflation for a bit. Granted much of it is still much higher than it should be.

“Vance mocked for [insert here]” being a common headline is a media trend I find funny. So shines a chuckle in a weary world

I went to Chicago in 2016 and eggs were 99 cents a dozen. I practically lived on them while I was there.

Taxes and rounding?

Like seriously, this is such a bait article. Anything to keep Trump and Vance in the news, I guess

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Lol Sam's Club has 5 Dozen for $11 which works out too ~$2.20

Eggs were like 7-8$ a dozen here, he really fucked up by only saying 4$

Edit: you guys are fucking idiots :D

If you're buying the premium small family farm eggs, sure. There's also the basic bottom shelf eggs. Those eggs aren't $7-8 a dozen anywhere. The US average is $3

I said were, you know back when eggs were really expensive last year when inflation was going wild, which is exactly what vance is referencing.

They are like 2.69 here now.

Inflation describes the decrease of the value of your money. When a currency is affected by inflation, all prices go up as you require more of that money to equal the same worth of goods.

If eggs shot up to a price of 8 or so bucks and then went down to 2.69, you weren't being affected by inflation as it is unheard of for a currency to suffer such insane inflation and then immediately recover from it.

What happened in your case would have been a large shift in supply and demand, possibly brought on by the mentioned problems in the egg production, or price gouging by whoever was selling these. Possibly also just a mix of those.

snorts and pushes up thick rimmed glasses 🤓 "ummm aksshuuullllallyy"

You know exactly which events im referencing though right? You do? Good got it, so you get my basic point.

I know what events you're referencing and misrepresenting, yes.

The correction was entirely on point because the framing of this being an example of rampant inflation and thus a major governmental failure is misinformation propagated by the Republican party.

While it is certainly imaginable that the erratic pricing of eggs in particular could have been handled better by the Democratic government, it's entirely false to present it as just one example of a wide reaching problem as the price increase in this case is unique to this product. Inflation has been happening and is comparatively high, putting a lot of pressure on lower income households, but it is not effectively apocalyptic as it is presented here.

Your response is completely unwarranted as in no way was I even attacking or talking down to you.

I misremembered why the prices were high, and even if you change that one thing my point still stands it doesn't change it. You're just being a pedant right now.

Your point specifically doesn't stand. Not the one you made in your comment. You're getting incredibly upset over being corrected when the correction was genuinely well meant and important to the discussion at hand. I'm sorry that this is something that angers you, but your hurt feelings don't change the fact that what I'm bringing up isn't pedantry but a correction on a misconception which is being propagated for political gain.

So you're supporting the fact that the price of eggs has gotten significantly better under the current administration.

Um yes? I voted for Biden/Harris fyi and will be voting for harris/walz.... eggs WERE 7$ here under Biden, Vance is claiming they were only 4 while they are 3 under his VP. If he wasn't an idiot he would have said a higher number than 4 while standing in front of 3$ eggs. How are you guys not understanding this or you morons just assume everyone from .ml is against democracy. I swear some of you are no better than the nomies on reddit, hell sometimes some of you are worse.

Fuckin' idiots.

some say that this video is doctored or whatever, is there some merit to that?

edit: I've read yesterday here on lemmy that some claimed that this video was doctored and "fake news". is there some merit to that?

No, the actual price of eggs in the location he was is about right. The national average is $3.20 per dozen, and Reading, PA is usually a bit below average (lol)

not doctored.

plus, he's holding a 24....

yeah okay, that could be a new low, no? Unable to comprehend what one is holding up and where one is.

Maybe there's a donut shop next door and he can creep out the staff there.

Are the some that say that on Twitter? Or Truth perhaps?

No some were on a similar post here on Lemmy.

Ah yes.

"Some say."

come on man...

I've read yesterday on another post here on lemmy, I don't make this shit up that some republican was questioning this news article. I just can't remember which user it was.

I’ve read yesterday on another post here on lemmy

Then say that. Don't go with "some say."