Has exercise helped your mental health?

SavvyWolf@pawb.social to Ask Lemmy@lemmy.world – 199 points –

Just a simple question to those of you suffering from depression, anxiety or are just going through a tough time. Now or sometime in the past.

Have you tried exercising, and did it help? What kind, and how did it make you feel?

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It has. Easier to go to sleep after exercising and so. But the most major benefit is that I got out of the house and did something. Felt great!

Hiking helped me a lot. I was out in the wilderness, touching grass, actually doing something for my health. Exploring the Alps was one of the best ideas I have ever had.

A little TMI but glad you are enjoying hiking!

How was this too much information?

“Touching grass “ sounds like a Sexual Innuendo. Maybe it’s just me. Didn’t mean anything by it just thought it was funny :( Womp womp

Touching grass is a (usually condescending) phrase that just means "going outside".

Don't be sad, we all misunderstand stuff sometimes :)

Yes.

Also, don't take anyone else's recommendation; any kind of movement is exercise, so figure out what you want to do. Any activity counts as exercise, so bike or swim or swing a broadsword or a katana or a baseball bat. Even singing counts as exercise and joining a chorus is a great way to get out and meet people.

Singing is great for having something to do, but the physical health benefits are nowhere near the same as actual strenuous exercise

Poster is going through a tough time. Small steps might be all they can take.

No, not at all. It made things worse. I really think it is very good that many people benefit from exercise. However, it can in some cases also harm your mental health. I think it is important for people to know this. The benefits of exercise are so well known, that the people who it is harmful for often are pressured into exercising anyway and made to feel like a failure if it does not benefit them. It took me a long time and a lot of pain to find this out. I want to tell my story in case someone is in the same boat as me.

Years ago I was feeling so bad I could not get out of bed for a couple of months. The psychologist I was seeing kept pressuring me to exercise. So, I tried it and I hated it. I really had a lot of trouble even doing the smallest things, like making food for myself or go to the supermarket. It all seemed like an impossible task. Now I had to spend the little energy I had to regulate myself to go to the gym or to run.

When I was exercising, it felt like genuine torture. I just hated every second. Afterwards, I would just feel extra tired and very sad about the pain Inhad been in and anxious about having to go again next time.

I was too timid to really stand up for myself and I did not want to fail at yet another thing. I thought it was just my fault and I just was too lazy and should be harder on myself. So, I tried to keep going, even though I could not sleep the night before and I went there crying. When I said something about it, the psychologist kept pressuring me to do it like it was some magic fix for everything. I just needed to do it often enough.

On my way to the gym, I started to wish more and more that I would be in an accident and get wounded so I did not have to go anymore. One time, on my way to the gym, I tripped and fell. I had a big bruise on my knee, but it was not bad enough to not have to exercise anymore. So, I sat on my knee on the bruise the whole night in the hope that it would get worse. It hurt, but it was not nearly as bad as exercising. When I told my psychologist she said that she could not help me if I self-harmed and I should go somewhere else. However, I was not self-harming to harm myself. I was actually protecting myself against something that was bad for me. I could not explain that at the time.

Years later, I went to a psychosomatic physiotherapist. In the years in between, I got the advise to exercise for my mental health numerous times. Each time I tried it, I failed. No matter how much I tried, it keep feeling like torture, my mood got worse and physically I did not improve at all. I always kept thinking that it was my fault and just not trying hard enough.

So, when I went to the new physiotherapist, I started out with telling him that I knew I should exercise and that I was stupid foe not doing so. He immediately stopped me and told me I should not exercise at all. He explained to me that when you exercise, your stress levels go up temporarily and then they go down and usually lower than they were before you started exercising. That is why most people benefit from stress reduction after exercise.

However, in my case, my stress levels were extremely high, all the time. They were so high that if I started to exercise, they would be pushed up above the maximum that my body was able to handle (he drew a chart where the line hit the top of the chart). So, for my body, exercise did not feel like a temporary increase in stress that would go down after a while, it felt like an extreme emergency situation that it could not adapt to. This would further disregulate my stress system. That is why it felt like torture, and why my mood got worse and why I did not have any physical improvement from exercise.

He told me moving was good to calm my nervous system. So, slow walking in the forest and things like that. And just quit as soon as I did not feel like it, or it gave me stress and just try some other time when I felt like it again. And that worked like a charm. I walk now for 4 to 6 hours a week and it calms me down. I do not have to push myself. I just feel like doing it and if I don't, I just won't go.

So, the point is that exercise can be great to help with stress, if your stress is maybe at 70% or 80%. However, if your stress level is consistently at 95% then it is harmful and you should not do it. (Mindfulness probably will not help either in that case btw.) If exercise keeps feeling like torture and it does not help you, do not feel like a failure and keep torturing yourself. It is not your fault if it does not work for you! Go to a psychosomatic therapist instead that has expertise in stress management. They might be able to help you.

This is a crazy story, really great that you have access to lovely walking trails and they are helping you. Sending you love!

Thank you so much! I am very lucky with where I live. There are lots of beautiful forests here!

Your first psychologist was awful. Holy hell, nobody should have to deal with that from the person who's supposed to help when already struggling with depression.

For me, exercise always feels good afterward, but I always dread it anyway... So I've not done it in forever. Maybe I should try just walking...

I'm glad you found something and someone that could help you

Yes, my first psychologist really was terrible. She really made things worse. She just always made me feel like I just should try harder and like a failure. That was the opposite of what I needed.

I was actually much too harsh on myself. I am trying tor learn to be more kind to myself and to take how I feel seriously. It is difficult if you are not used to it, but that helps me really well. My physiotherapist keeps telling me that I only have to do things I want. This sounds like a very basic thing, but it is quite new to me to ask myself "do I want this?" instead of just pushing myself because I think I should.

I am glad exercise works fine you. I think it works for most people. However, I have never in my life felt good after exercise. So, I think that is the difference.

If it helps for you, definitely start doing it again. Maybe you can be kind to yourself too and see how you can make your life easier in another way to have more room mentally to get yourself to start.

You mention gym and running. Both are super demanding imo. Have you tried swimming or bicycling at your own pace yet? Especially bicycling should be much more relaxing if you have the environment to do it, since you focus on the places you go as opposed to the performance.

Edit: I have a similar, albeit not as strong experience with the gym and running. I even hired a personal trainer to help me, but just felt like pressure all around and unpleasant pain instead of the good kind of soreness. Same with running that can impact your legs/knees a lot. Swimming at your own pace, without setting lofty time-based goals, has probably the least impact on the body.

I hired the personal trainer too. I just kept thinking I was doing something wrong and I should just follow his schedule. So I did exactly what he said, and that did not work either. I even did worse on the stamina test after training with him for a while than on the test at the start. That is when I quit.

Ihave tried bicycling and I had similar issues with that. But maybe I did not keep enough to my own pace. That was back when I did not understand how it worked and just tried a schedule to build up stamina. You are exactly right, it should not be about performance. Maybe I should try it again with my new mindset. Thanks!

Swimming does work if I go slow! So, I am in the lane with the elderly and just go slowly back and forth. The physiotherapist did tell me I should not go into water that is too cold, because my stress might increase from that as well. So, I found somewhere to swim when the water is warm. I try to do it once a week.

That's really rough I'm sorry that's happened.

Should anything like this ever come up in front of me, I'll be sure to remember your story, Shelena. Thank you for telling us. <3

Thank you so much. The kind reactions really help me feeling better about it. I really hope it helps someone!

This is really frustrating to type out, but honestly no. I've been working out consistently for 2-3 months now, and if anything I feel more tired and irritated throughout the day than I did before. I've got a lot on my plate right now, so it's possible that the extra activity minus a little bit of sleep is to blame rather than the exercise itself. I look and feel much stronger than I did before, and I'd like to think that my mental attitude has improved, but honestly ever since I started working out I just always want to be in bed.

I think you’ve identified the issue. Sleep is just as important. Substituting one for the other won’t get you anywhere.

That said, personally I find it much easier to sleep when I am exercising adequately.

It's really just the time aspect of things. Working out when I get home means everything else I need to do gets pushed back at least an hour. I'd love to get a better sleep schedule, and I've been trying to focus on it the last week or two, but I've just got so much crap to do and having no time to decompress between activities is wearing me out. Sometimes I have to eat dinner and go straight to bed, which my body does not like. I'll figure something out eventually, but right now things just kinda suck 🤷🏾‍♂️

My watch pointed out my HRV suffers if I eat right before bed. It shows how "restful" my sleep is and if I eat in the last two hours before bed, the sleep barely gets into "rest" levels. Like equivalent to sitting down in a chair instead of sleeping for the first couple hours.

I know it sucks but maybe consider a larger lunch and just a light protein shake or something before bed if you really need calories then. I'm still figuring all this out too, but that really makes a big difference for me

I have had a very similar and frustrating experience where I've been exercising regularly since the beginning of the year pretty much but my insomnia honestly felt like it got worse so I was just exhausted all the time, plus frustrated that I wasn't able to do as much stuff that I actually enjoyed because working out would take up extra time in my day, and on top of that I haven't seen any weight loss from it (despite also dieting). In the past I never had this issue and I'd be able to work out regularly and feel better and healthier so I'm not sure if it's just my worsening mental health or new stressors or what but it's awful.

Yup definitely feel you on the "not having enough time" aspect of things. I think that's one of the major factors to my situation, at least for my general mood. My schedule is pretty much wake up, go to school/work, come home and work out, get some stuff ready for my DnD game, then go to sleep. Outside of the DnD stuff, I've barely had any free time to just chill or play videogames. Since working out, my days have had to be planned damn near down to the minute and it's so exhausting feeling like I always need to be doing something.

Exercising just does not work for everyone. If your stress levels are extreme, it might not benefit you. You might need to find another way to reduce stress first.

I feel like when I do a good workout I need about an hour MORE sleep to recover. If you are getting less, I feel like that will cause a significant struggle.

I hate working out. I don't get the endorphins from it that other people seem to talk about. Directly, no. I didn't get anything from it.

But...

I look good. People speak to me differently. I have more and better sex. Better for quality makes me not feel like shit all the time. My personal image has changed and I time myself depressed a lot less.

So ultimately, yes. Go to the damn gym.

I have family members who suffer from several mental health issues - depression, anxiety and related. They have all found exercise helpful. Doesn’t really matter what kind- yoga, cross fit, swimming, running - just establish a routine, do it a few times a week. It made a big difference for them (or going for a walk - what ever works for your fitness/health level)

Yes.

Don't wanna. Do it anyway. Feel better.

That's how it goes every single time lol

Just like having a shower lol

Can't be bothered getting in, but once I'm in it's so nice I don't wanna get out

Yes, without a doubt.

A few months ago, a new gym set up near where I live - like, five minutes walking distance away.

We took a tour of it, and saw that it's a really nice facility. The ventilation and spacing of equipment is good (for avoiding disease), the variety of equipment is good, and it just seems like the ideal gym.

So my family and I thought, "Why not? Let's get a family membership." Now I head down there most mornings, spend an hour or so exercising, and then walk back, sometimes with coffee from a nice nearby cafe in hand.

I hadn't noticed the slow decline in how I felt about my body and my life. I've always been a pretty fit guy, but the pandemic made me more sedentary than usual, and it was slowly affecting my self-esteem and mental health.

And I didn't realize that until the effects of working out regularly showed up and I started looking and feeling better again. It was a "boiled frog" situation.

That gym moving nearby might have saved my life long-term, because I don't know how I would have gotten the impetus to go to a more distant one otherwise.

It's just been a few months, but I've already put on visible muscle and lowered noticeable belly fat substantially. And more importantly, I feel stronger than I have for several years. Like, lifting things is easier, carrying furniture is easier, just... moving is easier. I probably weigh more, because muscle is denser than fat, but I feel lighter.

It's a good feeling. It's clearing away a brain fog I didn't know I had. My software work is improving, I'm writing again, and I'm re-engaging with hobbies and interests that had fallen by the wayside.

If you can't or don't want to get a gym membership, learn some body weight exercises, find a park you can jog at.. Do something physical every day. Your brain and body are one system, and keeping all of it tuned and maintained is important for mental health.

So thanks everyone for posting here, I appreciate it.

So the context is that I'm a very sedentary person. I basically get up, go to my computer and stay there all day. I don't even stretch every hour or whatever. Over the last two (well, now three) days I've tried to go on short (like 10 minute) walks during lunch breaks and... Well, it's kinda working, I think? Or it could be a coincidence or a natural "high" in the sine wave of depression.

Interestingly, I've been told that I should feel better right after walking, but I don't really. Like, I feel basically the same as I do when I start the walk. Perhaps even a little worse because it just gives me a chance to worry about the things I worry about. If it does help, it seems to be in the next few hours or days.

Anyway, at the very least, exercise will stop me dying when I hit 40. :P Still, it is worrying the number of people that say that it eventually goes away when the "novelty wears off", so to speak. That tends to happen to me a lot with a bunch of the stuff I try; I lose motivation, break the habit and go back to how I used to be... Blegh.

Obviously I've seen all the articles saying it's amazing, but I've also seen articles saying it's overblown and a myth or that there's no evidence. Standard article stuff, really. Figured it might be a good discussion topic to get some activity going on Lemmy and spark some interesting discussions.

Starting a new habit is easy, keeping up with it longer than a couple months is hard. For what it's worth, regarding your question, I used to get in a 10 min walk every day, and that was the time I felt the least dragged down mentally and for the first time in my life had some actual motivation amd energy. It was never right after the walk, just kind of overall after I kept at it a few days. New job with different schedule nixed that, and I've been trying to get in some sort of exercise for years now with no luck, back to feeling bleh all the time.

Regarding the "novelty wears off" thing, another side: I've been running for two decades, starting from a sedentary lifestyle, but it only became fun later on. I started running shortly after a friend, probably out of some youthful ambition or inferiority complex, so I ran alone and picked routes where as few people as possible would see me struggle. I don't know why I didn't drop it like so many other things, but I learned to yearn for it and it's part of my identity now.

Absolutely. No question about it.

If fact I find that exercise is the only thing that brings instant relief. There's not a single time I've went to the gym feeling shitty and came out not feeling better. I believe it's scientifically proven that exercise is as good or better treatment for depression than anti-depressants.

An exercise routine has helped me a lot, exercising sporadically, not so much. I don't really feel a sudden sense of relief from a single session, but I've noticed that when I'm working out regularly, I feel better overall. It's not a sudden change, and not a "cure all", but it helps me focus better during the day, sleep better at night, crave less junk food/alcohol, and just feel less sense of "everything sucks". The routine also really helps me stick to other daily habits that I'm embarrassed to admit I struggle with, such as brushing my teeth.

I'm currently working to get back on my full routine, but in the past, I did weightlifting Mon-Fri, with intense cardio (running, stairs, etc.) MWF and chill cardio (walking) TTh. When I was really, really into it, that naturally led to being quite active on weekends too, such as 5k's, long ass walks around town, and hiking.

My advice to anyone trying to start a routine is to start small and gradually build it up. So step 1 for getting back to my full routine right now is a short daily walk. Once the short walks become a natural part of my daily rhythm, I might make the walks a little longer, add in a little running, and/or add in some light strength training moves, all depending on my overall goals and what feels within reach.

I have found that I'm generally in better mental health when I'm exercising, but I don't know which causes the other.

When I'm depressed, working out or even just going for a vigorous walk is hard as hell.

BUT IT DOES HELP. But it isn't a magic pill you have to force yourself to keep at it.

Yeah, last Summer when i was working out (really should start again) it definitely helped me out in the way that i was so tired I couldn't be depressed.

Definitely. It's not like it's all pink clouds and roses but it absolutely helped.

Running helped a lot. Maybe not at the beginning but later on. It makes me feel happy

it helped for the first weeks, then I was back to baseline (suicidal)

Yeah... all it takes for me is one missed exercise session to kill my routine and put me back to baseline.

Same. The novelty of "doing something for yourself" or "keeping yourself busy" or whatever bullshit friends, family and therapist wanna call it wears off quickly. I still go for jogs, but not as a daily routine anymore because it doesn't do much. I will just feel awful while jogging, so what's the point.

Last New Year's, when watching the fireworks from my balcony, I have sworn to myself that this will be the last time I see fireworks.

I cannot fix my problem. I tried many times, got told I was in the wrong for trying, now I have given up and that's apparently wrong as well.

Sorry for the rant.

I think I understand you well, sorry you feel that way

Yes. Every single time. Even if it is just walking around the block at a swift pace a few times a week (light to medium exercise). Usually the depression reduces after the 3rd or 4th time, sometimes sooner: fewer negative thoughts, less anhedonia, more motivation, less negative attitude, etc. If I keep at it, usually I actually can find myself in a good mood. Why the hell do I stop exercising then? I'll have to get back to you on that.

It's hard for me to pinpoint exactly what put me in a better mental state, as I started working out, dieting, and decreasing my alcohol consumption all at once. I don't think working out by itself is going to help, you have to attack the issue from various angles.

Exercise will not magically cure your mental health. I believe being active and not having a sedentary lifestyle is generally good for mental health but it's not going to necessarily cure depression or anxiety.

Especially if the depression/ anxiety has an external cause (job, living situation, money, relationship issues etc etc). Exercie may help manage it a bit but the only cure is to deal with the cause

Exercise helped me, but didn't work by itself.

Adding therapy helped more, but didn't work by itself.

Adding meds helped more, but I don't lean on them alone.

Which is just to say, it's not either/or. :-)

That said, I started going on long nature hikes, usually 4-5 miles but up to 17 sometimes. Download podcasts and music for offline access. Later, my therapist suggested taking notes after my walks, about how I felt / what was on my mind -- now I do it more often than not, and it's been helpful too.

Pretty much, it's gonna help but it's not a panacea. Exercising, sunlight, a correct diet, therapy all work but they work a lot better when combined with each other.

Tried it for six months, mostly body weight exercises and dumbbells, three to five times a week. Aside from a moderate improvement in fitness (which I have no interest in), it changed nothing at all. No increased energy, no happy feelings, just a waste of time.

I find cardio to have a much more significant impact on my mood and energy. I can go into a run feeling like a miserable slug and come out of it feeling accomplished and more at ease. YMMV though

Did you lose any weight? How is your diet? Feeling better for me was the weight loss, though depression makes it hard to fucking exercise

Here's my experience. Working out as in strength training I did for 9 months and, no, I did get more fit and that is satisfactory but leaves me just super tired.

Long distance running and cycling I've done on and off throughout the years give me a runner's high and though tired I feel really good.

I'm the opposite.

Fuck cardio, give me an olympic barbell and lets work on chucking some heavy shit around. Managed a 210lb clean and jerk last week.

As someone with ADHD, if I don't workout at least once a week (e.g. walking to the gym & lifting weights for 30-60 mins) and get those endorphins, my mental health starts to noticeably decline, so yes.

It does. It's kinda funny, waking up an hour early to lift weights makes me feel better for days. I get sleepy earlier but I have more energy during the day.

Long distance cardio is tiring but it feels good after and life stuff is easier to handle with that endurance.

I wasn't depressed to begin with but weightlifting helped me feel better about myself and quieting those voices that kept telling me that i was to lazy & fat. A year ago i started running which is much harder starting from zero but the mental effect of an extended run or the rewarding feeling of completing your first 10k is incredible.

Also dont wait for motivation, just start now and it will come later.

I started running using the Couch to 5k app from the NHS, it made it so easy ane encouraging to start running.

I did my first 10k in Jan and did my longest run (11k) yesterday, and like you say, the feeling is incredible, it's like a high year that day.

I went to the gym for about a year, went on a stricter diet too, but it was making me even more miserable so I stopped. Absolutely hated the narcissist/"motivational" subculture surrounding it all too.

I have recently started making myself go on a walk at least once a day, and I can definitely say it increases your mood over time. It's not noticeable at first, but after a week or so I was definitely feeling more 'fresh' and energetic than before.

Going for a walk also forced me to get some vitamin D which helped keep me going too.

It's 100% worth it.

Yeah, it helps keep me sharp and alert. Also, emotional regulation.

Diet is probably more important for me. But exercise is definitely beneficial to my mental and emotional health.

I used to suffer from clinical depression, and part of that I believe is because I used food as a coping mechanism to deal with inescapable stress and other pressures of toxic hyper-capitalist society (basically like anyone else with a substance abuse problem, except my substance was pizza).

Eating pizza every day, makes you fat. Being fat, makes life harder in general, you weigh more, are constantly fatigued, doing simple actions requires more effort, and dating is well - I mean, it's tougher.

Add the depression on top of that and it's like those jokes: "Sick, fat, lonely and tired." A recipe for disaster.

I began working out, but the word is wrong. I began training. I didn't follow the same policies and procedures of the lethally infirm/sick society that made me sick in the first place, but I went and struck it out on my own.

I went to the outskirts of the city, to No Man's Land, and I cycled in the mid afternoon summer's heat, 4-5 hours at a time.

I know what you're thinking, "where does someone find the time to cycle 4-5 hours a day while holding down a job for 8 hours as well" and the answer is, your instinctual response to this tells you everything you need to know about how our society is organized and how we approach diet, exercise, and living in general.

I didn't "work out". I didn't "exercise" to look good. I didn't meticulously drive 3 miles to an air conditioned gym to run 3 miles in place on a fucking rolling machine.

I crawled through the gaping maw of hell and emerged the other side, intact. Alive, and without the depression around my ankles.

So yeah, it helped. :)

Yes, seeing the results after months of consistent exercise is very satisfying. It adds value to our life and thus makes us happy.

Exercise for strength, aesthetics, flexibility and not just for living longer. Just be gentle and kind to yourself and don't push too hard or stress in getting results. Exercising with friends is always fun.

In fact any thing or activity that adds value to our life for example: playing an instrument etc. Will make us happy. Most important thing is to enjoy doing it as then only we'll stick to it.

I used exercise to cope with overwhelming gender dysphoria before I was able to transition.

It was incredibly helpful, and I got super fit, but it's also easy to overdo it, and balancing that can be a challenge when you're using it as a coping mechanism

I’m sorry you had to go through the hard times, but I’m glad you found something that helped and were eventually able to get to where you needed to be. Congrats!

I don't notice much of a difference myself, but those around me tell me that there's a huge difference in my behavior between when I'm exercising regularly and when I'm not. And my roomates have let me know that they prefer that I keep up my exercise routine, as it makes me more pleasant to be around, lol.

Very much so. Do it even if you have to force yourself. Do it outside in sunlight if you can, too. There have been lots of times I've dreaded working out beforehand. I don't think I've ever once regretted it after I exercised.

It's definitely a crutch for me. I've used exercise several times recently to give myself an attitude adjustment.

Mostly no, which appears to be the minority so I'll share. Adding exercise is adding stress, you need to find time, expend energy, you are physically tired afterwards, you feel guilt when you skip, muscle aches... It's all just terrible, but your body typically rewards you with endorphins to make it feel worthwhile, and more importantly it gives you a lot more opportunities. When you are in shape your perceived charisma goes up significantly, mostly because you are more attractive.

Reward needs to balance with effort. You'll have a lot more fun with concrete commitments, or if you actually enjoy the activity and want to do it. Going to the gym is depressing, but showing up for the weekly sportsball game will make sure you run a little every week and you might make some active friends that will introduce you to more things. Pickleball and indoor rock climbing are two entry friendly activities.

Yeah I'm going through a stressful period of time at work and so I've decided to try and pick up running. I hate running. It's literal torture and I'm exhausted afterwards. And my feet hurt! I don't know how people are insane enough to like this. So now I get stress at work and torture outside of it lol. And I've skipped days and I feel bad about it (shooting for 3 or 4 days per week with a couch to 5k apps).

The only saving grace with running with me me so far are two things...

  1. During the run, I don't have much mental energy to dedicate to work stress. Just running stress lol
  2. Checking off the exercise days in the app is nice. I've tried to exercise on my own without an app and it's a lot harder to keep up or stay motivated.

Absolutely YES. I hate running but it works better for anxiety than anything, in terms of immediate relief. Just put on your shoes and run. Get exhausted and your mind will relax. Power yoga has helped over the longer term, but is not as quick, it's more like prevention.

Dancing is hella therapeutic as well, can really help you bring up and process emotions, and if you can do it to exhaustion, works like running does but with the added advantage of engaging your mind while doing it, so you don't think as much.

I have relied on exercise to manage anxiety for about 30 years now. It does absolutely work.

ETA: I don't know if it would help depression and it didn't solve my mom's bipolar issues, she was always fit. Nothing is magic. But for 'simple' anxiety I have not found anything to work better than physical exercise to exhaustion. Get tired, sleep better, feel more relaxed and grounded.

Nope. It made it worse if anything. It takes up so much of my time and exhausts me so much both physically and mentally, that I have to give up too much in order to accommodate it. Plus being ND, I can't form habits, so it requires the same amount of energy and talking myself into doing it every time. And I don't know when to stop, so I always overdo it, because I'm always "past my limits" so when someone says to "push just past your limits", I push until I literally can't move my muscles anymore. I have tons of willpower so there's no boundary except complete physical collapse for me.

Most people, including ND, can form habits, it's mostly that people don't know how habits are formed and think that just doing the same thing will eventually create a habit.

To create a habit you need to have a trigger, just telling yourself to go for a walk is not a trigger because you might do that or not. A trigger might be feeling bored, finishing work, etc. I recommend watching https://youtu.be/75d_29QWELk it talks a bit about this, also reading the difference between routine and habits and how to form habits (kurtzgesagt also have a habit journal to help with it). I also tried for a long time to form habits by just forcing myself to do the same thing, it never worked.

Cycling outdoors.

Just yesterday I rode over 20km in strong wind and snow squalls, yet I still had a massive smile on my face.

No other physical activity makes me this happy. Hiking is close, but I have too many body pains to enjoy it these days.

As a bonus, I don't even have to plan exercise when on my bike. Even if I only use it for errands, I'd be on it several days a week.

Yes. Just being in better shape helped my confidence a lot. I went sort of all-in on getting into shape and worked out fairly religiously for a while. It SUCKED at first but once it became routine it got a lot easier. I did all sorts of exercise, weights, cardio, etc…. One side benefit is that I didn’t get sick (a cold or anything!) the entire time I was working out like crazy. My life circumstances changed a couple years ago making that much time a practical impossibility, but even a few years on, I’m still down a bunch of weight which helps!

Yes, in various ways.

One part is immediate. When I'm nervous or keep worrying about something, going for a run almost certainly resets my flow of thoughts. It also burns off most of the tension, at least I have a much easier time relaxing after a workout.

The other part is more long-term. Despite many, many years of running, it merely helped keep my weight in check rather than give me a dream body, but it seems to have changed my thinking a bit -- not like some motivation guru's story where someone forces themselves through hardship to develop a warrior mentality stuff, though. It's more like becoming aware, long after the change happened, that, woah, I may have skills now.

As in, there is no mental talk-back or willpower needed for me to run up a steep mountain trail in my area, the gist is more: no question that I can do it, it will be cool to experience it again. For a long time, I wasn't even aware that it's not always been that way. It also doesn't seem to rub off on other areas of life like one would hope, but just having proof in myself that I may have built up to something is a small confidence booster.

I definitely feel better overall when I ride my bike regularly. My mood is better, I have more energy, and I sleep better. I got into it around the time I separated from my ex-wife, and I think it's a significant part of what kept me from falling into a serious depression when I got divorced.

I hate running. I hate swimming. I hate lifting weights, or anything in a gym. Hiking is nice, with the right company. But I enjoy biking around my neighborhood and along the city greenways. I was wanting to be more active, healthier, etc. but couldn't find anything I actually would stick with until I found an activity I actually enjoyed. Lately I've been feeling pretty down, getting uncomfortably close to a major depressive episode, but riding my bike for a while always makes me feel a bit better, at least while I'm doing it. I think not biking, due to it being winter, is indirectly part of why I've been down - I just haven't been doing much that is enjoyable while dealing with a lot of stress including some major life changes.

Fwiw, I'm a psychiatric nurse. I've read the science news articles that say exercise is better than anything and the ones that say it doesn't do much. I've also read some of the actual research/journal articles. The reality is that we're not really certain how much difference it actually makes, but it probably depends on a variety of factors that vary from person to person and based on the type of exercise. We do know that people who are physically healthier also tend to feel better mentally. What I have seen personally, and experienced myself, is that exercise helps with mood, but it's not a cure-all, and it's not instant, and it makes a difference if it's something you enjoy doing independently of it's health benefits. Exercising outdoors, particularly in green spaces, probably also helps.

You should try biking in the winter. Get a second bike, like a rigid alu MTB with platform pedals and studded tires, layer some winter clothing, and go to town on salty slush, fresh snow and ice. It can be exhilarating!

Sounds like it could be interesting to try snow biking. Doesn't often snow here, and when it does it rarely sticks. Maybe 1-3 actual accumulations per year, so my gravel bike is suitable practically all the time. It's just the cold that makes it unpleasant to me - layering when it's 50F is fine, in the 40s F is doable if it's sunny. Anything below that is just miserably uncomfortable to me because of cold wind to the face and the need to adjust layers as I warm up and cool down.

Yeah I feel better exercising. Makes me feel tired at first but better mentally. Probably because the brain gets a break when exercising and also because the body creates endorphins.

Well, my lack of exercise has definitely helped make my mental health worse. My anxiety brings "inability to act" or "action paralysis" (not sure what the correct term is in English). Been on sick leave for over 10 years now and I'm stuck at home 95% of the time. I've tried so many times in so many ways to get exercise but as soon as I have any inkling of anxiety, which is the vast majority of the time, my body just shuts down and I'm unable to do anything but just be in the spot I'm in at that moment.

Yes and no.

When I was in my early 40s I lost over 100 pounds. Overall, yes my mental health was greatly improved.

Unfortunately, my perspective changed and at some point I realized that I'd reverted to behaviors that I hadn't exhibited since the last time I was fit (late 20s). I started being more judgemental of people who are overweight, and I even started wondering if I could do better than my wife. Awful stuff. I came really close to making some terrible mistakes.

YMMV, but for me it was dangerous territory. Thankfully everything worked out ok, but I'm fortunate that my wife is both patient and forgiving.

Any kind of physical activity is good for mental health, especially for people with PTSD.

I started swimming while I was in the depth of depression (induced by external factors) and yes it did help manage the depression, but didnt solve it. What solved it was leaving my alcoholic ex and getting control back over my life.

I have continued swimming and I also do a lot of cycling as well as some hiking/tramping and the ocassional bit of mountain climbing, and they do help with managing stress and mental health but they are no longer the primary reason I do them. The health benefits I get from exercise are mostly physical but those benefits also play into making me feel better about life too.

Yes, immensely so.

But its not the whole puzzle.

I still have to add a routine of meditation as well as social interactions.

For me, the quality of life with-vs-without those things truly is immeasurable.

Yes. It can be very very effective.

For me, definitely. I will have to mention that my exercise comes from a hobby, hand tool woodworking, and that exercise in the gym hasn't helped.

It's definitely a fantastic feeling to pour all of your effort into a task and see the fruits of your labour. It feels really good to work with extreme determination, nearly passing out several times and finally seeing the finished project. Then immediately zonking out.

It also helped me a lot because working out to exhaustion makes my sleep a lot more consistent, which for a long time was a major factor in my depression.

For me, gym exercise wasn't very helpful because (to me) it felt arbitrary. Lift this thing X times, do this motion X times, etc. When it's a hobby there's a clear start, beginning and end goal, and it's much more satisfying in my opinion.

No. Nothing helped but time. I think most people here were not actually with major depression or anxiety like I was

I had the same experience. I think exercise works for a lot of people, but not for everyone. The people who it does not work for het pressured into doing it anyway, which is harmful. In my case, my stress levels were consistently extreme and exercise would put it into an even higher zone where my body was unable to deal with it. All the pressuring me into exercising really harmed me. It took me years until a specialist explained this to me and all this time I felt like a failure and I tortured myself with exercise.

Improving my mental health helped me start exercising, actually. But also now I think staying committed to it generally assists in keeping me mentally well. There are tons of things I do that are somehow easier for me to execute in the context of of training instead of just for their own sake (for whatever reason), such as getting consistent sleep and cutting back on drinking.

ETA: Mostly try to find something you enjoy, not something that feels like a chore. Also, diet and fit culture are like poison so I would advice to find true compassionate professionals to help you out in your search.

Yes in my case BUT I had to find the right exercise for me as well as the best time of day to do it.

I now do it everyday and have done so for 17+ years. Sometimes I pepper some different stuff here and there, but nothing crazy. Also, food. The correct meals for me have made all the difference in the world in how I feel. This also includes some extra minerals that my body needs.

If I'm not pushing myself, yes. Walking for example is good for people mentally. Running has the opposite effect.

Yes, I agree! My physiotherapist explained to me that this can have to do with your level of stress. If it is already extreme, your body cannot deal with with the extra increase in stress that running creates. Pushing yourself can in that case further disregulate your nervous system and walking is better.

Yes.

I am one of those weirdos who feel like they were run over a car last night every time they wake up.

That is, unless I had either a cardio activity or a strength training exercise session in the last two days.

Extremely mixed. Last year my mental health was probably at its lowest after realising how bad my health was (weight and muscle atrophy from becoming a hermit in COVID times). I did a lot of work and I was finally able to go on walks daily without being exhausted and that felt really good. This in turn gave me more energy in the day and that also felt really good.

Also started doing weights. That didn't feel as good. Making progress was nice but I was basically always in pain or aching, and when I wasn't, it meant it was time to work out again. After exercising and the muscles were popped, it felt really good but that subsides. And seeing muscles like that start bringing out the body dysmorphia badly. It was the best Ive ever looked and it made me feel awful. Then I injured myself and it got it was even worse.

Tl:Dr light cardio yes, weightlifting not really

Could be the case that your stress levels are too high for exercise to benefit you. Moving, like walking, is fine in those cases. But anything that gets your stress levels up, like weight lifting or running might feel like torture and not provide benefits afterwards. You have psychosomatic therapist who might be able to help with this.

Try the Wendler 5/3/1 weightlifting stuff. Someone on reddit made it into a spreadsheet somewhere.

Basically, don't try so hard lifting weights. You go in the first day and put an estimate in for your 1 rep max, then that day it gives you a workout and the last set you do as many as you can until failure, then you record the number.

From there, the spreadsheet calculates all the rest of your workouts with a gentle progression. His philosophy is basically, leave one rep in you (besides that testing day) for the heavy sets. Then with the BBB variation you do a ton of reps of a really light weight to build a strong foundation. He suggests a "training max" of 85-90%. Meaning there will never be a time the spreadsheet asks you to lift your entire max.

Since I've used that I haven't had any injuries at all, and I don't get super sore (just lightly sore, which I kind of like). Progression is slower, but I think that has to happen because muscles seem to develop faster than tendons adapt to the extra strain, which leads to injuries.

The injury was unrelated to the weights themselves. It was a lack of understanding of how to correctly do lunges. But I appreciate the advice.

Just in case someone else is in the same position. Do not think of it as pushing your knees to 90 degrees. Get in position, loosen your knees and focus on moving your hips down. It's the same principles as squatting but in a different position

When I'm feeling blue about something for a while, I do try to exercise daily. I don't know whether or not endorphins make a difference for me but I do not that I feel more awake after exercising. I like the feeling that I accomplished something for that day and it keeps my routine regular. The alternative that I can spend a lot of time thinking about something troubling me and I'm not productive.

This is a huge case of, "Yes, but . . . ."

Yes, exercise absolutely can and does help mental health. It helps me a great deal. That said, exercise requires some level of time, energy, and focus. The key is to find a form of exercise that you enjoy or at least do not mind. If going to the gym is exclusively a chore, you will more likely fail. If exercising brings some Internet inherent reward, you will more likely succeed.

I love lifting weights, but I did not have the mental energy to put together a program or figure out how to work around big physical issues after cancer. I paid a trainer to help, and that eliminated enough of the focus needed that going to the gym became fun. Now I am transferring to running my own program because I have learned enough that it is not as big of a mental load. Along the way my energy has also increased.

Contrast this with running. I hate running. It hurts my joints. It hurts my lungs. Getting outside and running should be easier than a trip to the gym, but it is actually much harder for me because there is no inherent reward. It just sucks, and it continues to suck as I get better at it.

So yeah, exercise is great for mental health, even if it is not a cure all. This only holds true once you find something you enjoy. If you think you enjoy nothing, you are most likely wrong. Keep looking. Keep trying. Maybe you like walking. Maybe you like a specific martial art. Maybe you like biking, but only on a stationary bike in your living room while binging your favorite shows.

Find something that you enjoy doing that fits well enough into your life. That way on the days you don't want to start, you will anyway because you know it will be enjoyable once you are doing it.

If exercising brings some Internet reward, you will more likely succeed.

Great idea! Power the router by treadmill!

Aaarugh! So you have any idea how many times I tried to force my phone to use the right word and still failed? I think my keyboard hates me.

My autocorrect seems to think that neither ill, well, were, nor lets are words in English.

It does, but it never thinks they're the most likely choice.

Walking while concentrating on what i feel in different parts of my body helps me in high stress situations, and longer walks once in a while when I'm not completely stressed out helps clear my mind. swimming in thermal water also helps keep my overall stress level down when I've got enough capacity left to actually do it.

so yeah, the right exercise customised to my actual capacity to do exercise helps a lot - but i have to allow myself to just stop doing it without beating myself up if I'm not up to it.

Gentle exercise yes, like going out for a walk. Just focusing on the sights and sounds encountered on the walk and the feeling of walking, not on the thoughts in my head or the emotions I'm experiencing. Strenuous exercise was not useful, it just left me exhausted with none of the positive effects that gym-rats talk about. However, and its hard to be certain about this because I've not monitored it in a scientific way, regular exercise does seem to help prevent me from falling back into depression once I've climbed my way out.

What I'm getting from reading these responses is that exercise can alleviate some of the crushing effects of depression, but because it's difficult and time consuming, you'll need a better reason for it than just "I'm suppose to" otherwise you'll just be making your life harder and creating an unhealthy relationship with exercise.

Everybody has to fight through the first few months to genuinely create a good workout habit, but if you start small (such as a 20 minute walk 3-4 days a week), you'll be able to ease into the really good stuff without so much hardship. The plan is to be working out for life, so what's the rush?

I believe the army created negative associations in me about exercise, since they used it as punishment and I always had the anxiety of my next PT test hanging over my head. It took a few years to disentangle myself from those connections and begin working out the way I wanted to and really seeing the results I was looking for. Now, after ~5 years of very frequent exercise, I'm finally getting to the point where I feel like it's a net positive to my mental health.

It was very helpful for me. I have trouble working out now however. Funnily enough, I tried an experimental ketamine treatment and now that I don't feel negative it's harder to make myself exercise

It's hard to decide any causation for me personally, but my fitness tends to at least correlate positively with my mental health.

Excereize is the only thing that ever helped me. I need to feel like I can run through a building sometimes and if I don't I fall back into my vices. I will say that one difference is I am a very fit individual and when I put my mind and body to it I am able to do some things that are considered very very difficult. I've competed in jiu-jitsu at a reletively high level and won first place in more than one competition where I had to fight 4+ people in a row. And I've rock climbed some very difficult climbs that many people spend their lives trying to do. For anyone interested I've flashed some outdoor 5.13s

So I think the difference is that I'm genetically gifted and when I am actually working out and devoting myself to fitness it pays off in huge ways. That keeps me going, idk what I'd do if I worked out and then just felt like a loser. I feel like a fucking demon when I'm working out. I feel like a fucking loser when I'm sitting around.

I can imagine how exercise would do anything but depress me further. I despise working out. I remember being told I'd love it after a few weeks, but after a year I still despised it. Put me in a gym and you'll see me at my most miserable

I hated going to the gym, and I hate running. Put me on a treadmill for 5 minutes and I'm suffering, but I can dance for hours straight. Beat Saber on VR has been great, so has going to local social dances (ballroom and swing). Maybe you could look for something that gets your heartrate up that you actually find fun and enjoy? Swimming, team sports, skating, there's lots of ways to exercise that aren't using machines or running at a gym.

You shouldn't do that then. A nice walk may be a different experience for ya

Yes, there is a reason so many people say go for a walk. It’s not cure all, you still need to work on your mental health. This is how I’ve come to explain it. when your body is unhealthy it has to work harder, a mentally ill person is already working harder. If you get your body healthy you will have more capacity for your mental health. Though like others have pointed out, do something you enjoy. I started with walking and moved to running but the walking alone was good. I had no idea I would enjoy it but once I started it became habit.

Yes, definitely. For me, it is kind of a meditation - while I work out, I can't really think a lot, and after working out I'm exhausted. It is just a reset for thoughts.

YESSSSSS there is no other realistic answer; I am willing to die on this not-even-a-hill

Kind of, but it's not a miracle cure or escape. I tried exercising while depressed and I tried exercising after I learned how to manage depression. It never cured my depression but it is part of managing it. It's part of a healthy life style, which is part of taking care of myself, which is part of not feeling like I hate myself and my life.

I keep going to the gym because I enjoy it and it's an excellent way for me to vent emotions, no matter what my mood is.