Trump Fumbles Repeatedly in Terrifying Speech at Florida Rally
“We will institute the powerful death penalty for drug dealers, where each dealer is responsible for the death, during their lives, of 500 people or more,” he said.
"Mothers will never again be forced to watch their children overdosing in hosp … and we will never allow mothers to watch their child hopelessly dying in their arms screaming, ‘What can I do, what can I do? Help me God, what can I do?’ We are a nation whose once revered airports are a dirty, crowded mess,” Trump continued, pivoting suddenly.
“You sit and wait for hours and then are notified that the plane won’t leave, that they have no idea when they will. Where ticket prices have tripled. They don’t have the pilots to fly the planes, they don’t seek qualified air traffic controllers, and they just don’t know what the hell they are doing.”
“We will take over the horribly run capital of our nation in Washington, D.C., and clean it up, renovate it, and rebuild our capital city, so that it is no longer a nightmare of murder and crime. But rather it will become the most beautiful capital anywhere in the world,” Trump said.
“Right now, if you leave Florida, ‘Oh, let’s go, darling, let’s look at the Jefferson Memorial, let’s look at the Washington Monument, let’s go and look at some of the beautiful scenes,’ and you end up getting shot, mugged, raped,” he warned, promising that he’d run the city “tough and smart.”
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Watch how this story disappears within a day. But the trolls will still be talking about Biden in the debate until next January.
Difference is, no republican cares if Trump is mentally fit to be president, nor will being mentally unfit cause him to lose the election.
Democrats and Biden on the other hand...
It gets old seeing the people with power continue to use it delicately so as not to upset people, while also not doing a goddamn thing about the opposition who FULLY abuses everything they can touch.
It's always the same thing
One side speaks respectfully of the other
one side doesn't push hardline questions and issues when they know can get the other side to say something that shoots themselves in the foot
One side tries to keep the peace
One side treats people with kiddie gloves
One side has reasonable policies and goals, or just simply doesn't change bad ones
The other side however, is constantly spraying a firehose of bullshit all over everything at every opportunity by constantly sabotaging the entire country in order to "one up" some imaginary opponent, actively calling for persecution AND prosecution of anyone who doesn't fit their cookie cutter mould (that they themselves don't need to fit into), punishes anyone for trying to make the country better, and has no qualms with lying, cheating, sabotaging, straight up committing massive amounts of felonies, all for no better reason than the infantile desire to be in opposition of something that helps another person.
Please don’t misconstrue this but: This exact sentiment is why I didn’t really care that the left somewhat overreacted to the ruling about presidential immunity. I know that some of the things people spread about the results of that case just aren’t true. People immediately went hyperbolic with their reactions to the point of misinformation.
Normally, I’d disavow that misinformation and get onto them about it. Instead I thought “this is how the left should be reacting, even if for some of the wrong reasons”
And we can make an argument for not stooping down to the republicans level, but why wouldn’t we? Sitting on a throne of perfect correctness isn’t helping us. I’m not saying we go full anti-factual, but the time for criticism of your own side is when you can afford to lose. We cannot afford to lose.
This issue, in this case, isn't mental fitness. Trump's comments are right in line with what he was saying four, eight, and forty years ago.
He loves the idea of lynchings as a tool of criminal justice enforcement, particularly when the lynchings target the political underclass. He loves the idea of accusing entire populations of violent criminality, particularly when those communities don't support his political goals. And he loves the spectacle of it all - the pomp and circumstance of the courts leveraged against his opponents, the "beautification" of a gentrified neighborhood, and the fixation on tourism as an end goal of any socio-economic renovation.
Republicans eat this shit up now, just like when they ate up Michael Bloomberg's Disneyfication of downtown New York or the massive tourist traps that Nevada and Arizona and Florida has been turned into. Conservatives dream of living their lives in one big resort community, Donald Trump knows it, and this is his promise to do to DC what was done to so many other Reagan-Era cities and states.
To say he's mentally unfit would imply he wasn't vibing right along with the tens of millions of white nationalist suburbanites who think the whole country should be a country club that pampers them 24/7.
The mental fitness question isn't because of his view that we're already in a Mad Max hellscape only he can lead the true believers out of.
The mental fitness question is because he sounds like he's having a stroke anytime he has to string together more than 2 sentences.
Why would it disappear? Everyone's talking about it, more and more every day. The Internet is exploding with demands for trump to step down.
Any source? I didn't see anything like that.
crickets
That's what everyone's telling me. Everyone I know says it.
Nah, I can't continue. I don't even know his rhythm of idiot logic enough to copy it.
Lots of people are saying it. Smart people ;]
Media: BIDEN OLD
That’s because democratic voters expect more from their candidates. Let the republicans put up this joke of a fascist. I expect better than Biden and Hillary Clinton and will be happy the day Biden drops out.
And if he doesn’t, I will vote for him and bitch about the Democratic Party the same way I did in 2016.
I’ll be doing the same. Unlike a lot of the people complaining here. Hopefully he wins and we can regroup over the next four years. If the no-voters learn their lesson from how close it can get, maybe we can work together over that time to get someone younger, and more effective. Until then- Biden is all we have to stop America from becoming a fascist dictatorship.
Disclaimer: To the troll that follows me around accusing me of making blanket statements when I never do- note how I said “a lot” not “all.”
I disagree that he is all we have. If he drops out before the DNC, that is plenty of time for his replacement and their VP pick to make an impact on the campaign.
there's nothing trollish about it. first of all, i don't understand why some liberals are crying so much about TFG fumbling and no one calling for him to drop out.
WHO'S SUPPOSED TO CALL FOR IT?
his base? they love him and don't care.
his opposition? why? he's a terrible candidate most people hate. why would his opposition want him to drop out? so that a less hated person replaces him and guarantees the republican win? you do know Clinton was the only person in the world who could've lost to him, and now Biden is trying super hard to be the second, right?
the reason people are calling for Biden to drop out is because he's polling unfavorably against TFG. the reason they're not calling for TFG to drop out is because he's a much hated person who would've surely and easily lost if only someone looking vaguely alive would run against him.
no.
That's because of his diminished cognitive capacity.
Voters are demanding that trump step down and let another candidate take his place. It's all over the Internet. I heard he can't even tie his shoes anymore.
He has visibly struggled with operating a glass of water.
"Anymore" implies he was able to at some point
Just grab em by the laces
He tries, but the Velcro is getting in the way
I heard it too. And everyone is talking about it. I'm talking about it right now! See?
I saw a comment earlier today calling on trump to resign. Everyone is saying it:
https://lemm.ee/comment/13160626
"Don't you think he looks tired?"
Well, he was asleep a lot of the time he was being convicted of being a felon so he is probably as tired as he looks.
But his voters/supporters love how his mental abilities are lower than theirs
Trump looks, talks, and acts like someone who has had a series of strokes. As well has having mini ones like during his speeches. Sadly, most republicans are still lower than him in cognitive ability.
Bigly diminished. The best even.
Trump heard Joe Biden might have dementia so he went out and got even bigger dementia, the best dementia!
People say it all the time, they tell him, he's got the best dementia, historic really. No airport could ever outshine his monumental brain fog.
Nobody has ever had more diminished cognitive capacity than me, everybody's saying it. I have the best deficits, just tremendous problems with coherent thought
You sound like my kind of leader! Let's go, Brandon!! Save this country from all these mouth breathing librarians, let's go!
His cognitive decline has been tremendous.
I read the speech and then found the clip. It honestly looks like he was having a series of mini strokes.
Man who flies exclusively on private jets complains about public air travel.
Trump must really think we're all fucking idiots.
Sadly, the people who attend his rallies are.
The word "idiot" ultimately comes from the Greek noun ἰδιώτης idiōtēs 'a private person, individual' (as opposed to the state), 'a private citizen' (as opposed to someone with a political office), 'a common man', 'a person lacking professional skill, layman', later 'unskilled', 'ignorant', derived from the adjective ἴδιος idios 'personal' (not public, not shared).[3][4] In Latin, idiota was borrowed in the meaning 'uneducated', 'ignorant', 'common',[5] and in Late Latin came to mean 'crude, illiterate, ignorant'.[6] In French, it kept the meaning of 'illiterate', 'ignorant', and added the meaning 'stupid' in the 13th century.[7] In English, it added the meaning 'mentally deficient' in the 14th century.[2]
Taken from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot
Seems to be accurate. Very accurate!
I mean that's a reasonable superficial analysis and you can probably get through life on that without a lot of trouble... unless your smart, engaged son or daughter starts talking this bullshit one day, and you have to figure out what is really wrong, so that you can help them. Because calling them a fucking idiot? Ain't gonna save them.
I think this is a defense mechanism on your part. It's hard to deal with this, that so many people are so badly removed from reality that they cannot see these simple, important facts. But it's a lot like someone sees a homeless person, and they immediately jump to denigrate that person, to help them cope with their own emotional needs at the expense of their own empathy.
Oddly, I don't have a lot of empathy for people who support a guy who has promised to destroy anyone who opposes him. There are only 4 basic reasons to support Trump: you're really stupid, you're really hateful, you're a Christian fundamentalist (heavily overlaps with "hateful"), or you're really rich. Usually it's a combination of those things.
The guy was president for 4 years and showed exactly who he was. You don't get to use the "Oh, they're just misguided souls" excuse any more.
Calling them idiots isn't an effort to save them and in no way needs to fulfill that objective. Further, swallowing Trump's bullshit and honestly believing it is itself sufficient to qualify someone as an idiot. If someone is, in your words, so far removed from reality that they cannot see the simple important facts, then they are by definition not also smart and engaged.
You say that like I wouldn't jist discipline and/or disown them for it
I guess we aren’t really the ones he’s “speaking” to though.
His voters are, thats the problem
He flat-out said "I love the poorly educated."
“Poor kids are just as bright as White children" -Biden
One of his many gaffes, and his biases are showing. But you could print a book of the horrible things said by Trump, and he meant every one of them.
Sure sounds like Trump is advocating for more government intervention.
media: why isn't biden resigning?
Because Right Wing hacks own it
I would say this is because Trump's potential voterbase doesn't give a damn about having a competent, sane candidate. Biden's potential voterbase has significantly higher standards. It's easy to point out that there could theoretically be a better-performing candidate than Biden, but I don't think it's so easy to find someone that will get more conservative voter engagement than Trump.
Biden should resign, though. Trump's mental decline doesn't erase Biden's.
lemmy doctors are absurd as congressional doctors who diagnosed terri schiavo over the tv.
No, he shouldn't, and no, Biden isn't "mentally declining."
I believe it when a doctor says it. Not some political pundit.
Girl, did you watch the debate? What about earlier today when he spoke and said "Vice President Trump" instead of Kamala?
I've always thought Biden was polite and well spoken. He is VERY DIFFERENT when speaking now versus last time/2020. Not only is he incoherent at times, he's also weirdly petty and grouchy - he started to blame his staff today and then interrupted himself and said his wife was telling him not to. It was WEIRD because he normally would keep his composure and not even mention it. It's bad. He is clearly in elder decline.
I'm not a girl, but if you want to call me one, be my guest. I have better things to be concerned about.
I watched the debate and he did much, much, much better than I could ever do, because I suffer from stage fright. Does that mean that I'm not "mentally competent" to be a president because "I can't speak good" in public? Is he not the same as 10 years ago? Sure. But as long as a doctor, a doctor does not declare him incompetent, I couldn't care less what anyone else says about it.
The bigger issue here is Trump. Trump lied left and right. He said horrible things, like "illegal immigrants will take black jobs" and "there will be a bloodbath if I don't win." Oh, but ERGMAGERD BIDEN OLD!!!
I don't care to compare Biden to a random person - I care to compare him to himself, 4 years ago. And I'll vote for him, but for fucks' sake, stop gaslighting us. It's clear he's in mental decline. If this was my grandpa, I'd force him to go to the doctor and I would probably not let him drive.
And yes, part of being president is public speaking - so if you cannot do that, then you aren't qualified to be president. You're correct there. That's like, vitally important to the job.
No doctor can make that declaration due to HIPPA and state laws regarding diagnosing someone who isn't your patient.
Yes, Trump is worse. I've never disagreed there. But it's kinda concerning the only thing in the way of a fascist dictator is a man who is visibly going senile, and that man also will be in charge of laws and nuclear codes. It's like, bad dude. Like really really bad. I'd vote for fucking Dolly Parton or Willie Nelson over either of these guys. I'd vote for a dog or a cat. I'd vote for a toddler over them. I'm sure a toddler could understand climate change better to be honest.
It doesn't matter really anyway. We ran out of time. We are all walking corpses anyway. Enjoy your last few years. Even if we got the perfect climate president, even if every country in the world had perfect climate presidents, we'd still be pretty much out of time before we could make a solution (which will take years and will release more carbon and greenhouse gases). It was a good run.
I've seen a lot of comments saying he should step down. Lots of people talking about how unfit he is for office.
Allow me to increment.
He should step down. Ideally into a pit of lava, but that's just a stretch goal.
Sadly, these calls aren't coming from within the party itself. The GOP is fully in lockstep with Trump, while the Dems are - once again - stabbing one another in the back as quickly as they can swing the knives.
We should really take a lesson from the '80s Republicans, who had absolutely no problem pursuing their agenda despite a President who literally had Alzheimer's during his second term.
Second term Reagan was, famously, not great for Republican election prospects. They lost a full eight Senate seats in '86.
Dems love to ruin everything for themselves in the 4th quarter.
Oh no republicans are in charge! The donors to my political campaigns will be so disappointed!
It's almost like it's impossible to represent everyone with only two political parties.
I'd say the deeper root of the problem is Congressional districts that encompass 600,000 residents each.
Capping the number of House Reps has turned the local political class into a gaggle of celebrity fundraisers and mega-bundlers.
How many people have actually met their Congressperson, much less a Senator?
Maybe the Hawaiians could volunteer a volcano?
That sounds like a great way to piss off a god, which god would want DRUMF as a sacrifice?
Eris
Y'know what? Fair!
He's right though. I get shot, mugged and raped at least three times per week in DC. And I'm not even from Florida.
Just another day in DC.
The shootings, muggings and rap rings will continue till morale improves.
That sounds like what happened to Anti-vaxxers during COVID.
Sounds like a school shooting.
Don't worry, the kids are already dead by the time they let the parents in.
I can't believe they expect Big Government to solve the problem of children hopelessly dying in the arms of their screaming mothers. They should let private enterprise take care of that.
The man is nearly as dumb as the people who vote for him.
That's his secret of success. He has the unique ability to fervently believe his own lies. If some other fucker like Cruz or DeSantis lies, you can always see they're aware of it and cringing inside. That's why they are never perceived as "authentic" by the moron base.
The rapist Dementia Don 34 needs to drop out. He's too old and his brain is cooked from all the adderall.
and the obvious incurable syphilis
But Biden got confused during the debate after Trump lied about 50 different things. I'm not really sure I want a president who will get confused like that.
~literally all the pundits. (minus talking about Trump's blatant and near constant lies, I added that bit for color)
Biden is in obviously the better choice but he is a pretty terrible choice. I didn't have a ton of my governor Newsome but if take him in a heartbeat over Trump and Biden. My issues with newsome are mostly based on him being a slimeball but not his politics.
This is how he has talked since campaigning in 2016, just a random word salad of whatever he thinks will get him attention. Maybe it is getting worse?
I honestly can't tell because he has been incoherent the whole time, but hoping the media actually stays focused on it for a while.
He's gotten worse over time. I remember during the 2020 cycle seeing video comparisons even between his 2016 and 2020 debates.
I don't exactly enjoy going back and watching him talk, but it's shocking going back and comparing seeing how drastic the change has been.
Here's a bit of the 2016 RNC debate. Trump is still rude and crass. He's not coming off as an intellectual, but he's completing his sentences and making coherent points. He wasn't getting obviously confused like he has been since- talking about airports being involved in the Revolutionary War, claiming Nikki Haley was responsible for January 6th, the famous rant about his uncle being a genius, etc.
Yeah he's always said incredibly dumb nonsense, but it sounds significantly more uncontrollable now. I honestly think he sounds more like a dementia patient than Joe Biden does.
Trump should also stop running for president.
I think I saw in another comment here on lemm.ee that biden should make it illegal for felons to be president (dont worry, its an official act!) and then biden resigns. I hope it happens. We need turn the country off and turn it back on again.
SCOTUS will just rule he can't do that
lol keep dreaming
“Trump is going to be a dictator, so Biden should become a dictator first!” lol
Biden is already a dictator, the supreme court decided that. He has the responsibility to use his powers as a dictator to return us to a democracy, but he's too out of touch with how much the political landscape has changed to do anything about it.
We are about to see Gladiator play out, only with much worse sports.
i don't care how the good guys win
Uhhh why you no do that during your first term? It's not like DC has suddenly become shitty in the last four years.
He also stirred his followers up to attack those capital police officers, so objectively he's done more harm than good.
DC also has a mayor, and it's not the president
Here's hoping..
"powerful" death sentence.
Well, yeah. Wouldn't wanna get involved in one of those limp-wristed, rainbow colored LIBRUL executions, now would we?
The one where you are fed so much avocado toast and kelp until your stomach bursts?
All while doing yoga.
I crave a mighty death 😦
Something tells me he's not going to include the Sacklers in this crusade against "drug dealers."
And why didn't he do this during
2020-20242016-2020? And don't say because of Covid, because, according to him, "it was a hoax."Edit: Yes, sorry, I meant to say 2016-2020.
2020-24?
Yeah, I think they meant 2016-2020.
Yup. 2016-2020. Thanks.
Oops! Sorry yes, 2016-2020.
He can't even stay on topic because the issue at hand doesn't impact him. In his mind airports are the biggest issue to the American voter because he is dealing with it constantly while campaigning.
And that's ignoring the rhetoric. It would be funny if this wasn't the existential threat it was.
The only thing standing in the way of this sundowning narcissist fascist is a sundowning hubristic imperialist. At least he will try his best. 😮💨
I think I lost some brain cells reading that.
This is why fumbling is such a bad argument. People aren’t listening to the overall message. They are just tone fucking each syllable now as the only problem between these two and that’s a real problem
The problem with Biden was he should step down for someone else and the concern of that is pivoting this late can be bad for dems.
But that doesn’t mean we start the same measurement on trump as the message he is conveying is horrible. It doesn’t compare.
Americans have a double-standard. If you profess to be a real politician, stand-up person, and trying to do good you have to appear strong, smart and effective. If you profess to be a fascist and want to hurt other people you can literally do anything and appear to be the dumbest, foulest, most incompetent piece of filth in existence and you won't lose any support.
Fuck me.
One party, for the most part.
When is he going to step aside for a more coherent Republican replacement? He is not fit for the office at such an age!
I can see what people are trying to do, but it doesn't work. The right wing talking points about the less-right wing don't work when flipped, because his followers don't care. They lap it up.
They're tootling around in mobility scooters covered with Trump flags and stickers. Their homes have been shrines to him since 2016. He could physically shit himself on stage and these people would still vote for him, no questions asked. Trump makes them feel good about their hatred they've been told is wrong for the last few decades. Their MAGA is an all-white suburb as far as the eye can see.
The only thing that will stop them is his death. A large chunk of the movement will die with him. Those followers don't really seem to care for the republican party. That's the only upside.
Fascism has the whole propaganda thing nailed down. It's just too hard to get people excited about a mediocre amount of progressivism. The Nazis got this and have been the model for it ever since.
I honestly don't know what the solution is.
The solution would be to beat them at their own game. Build a radical left propaganda machine - like Star Trek or Doctor Who on steroids.
This will surely get the same 24/7 coverage for the next three weeks that Biden got for standing there being "low energy", right?
I think it's less about Biden's 'energy,' and more about him actively sundowning on the national stage
The country basically ran itself while Bush and Trump played make believe. It's fine.
If it's all fine - Idk why you're concerned with defending Biden's gaffs.
Ok - You’re up NYT editorial board…
Now’s your time to shine…
Hello…?
NYT?
Is he running for Mayor of DC? If so, the potholes in some of the suburbs badly need some TLC.
For comparison, this is how Trump used to talk, back in the 2016 RNC debate.
He's always been an obnoxious and crass New Yorker, never what you'd call an intellectual or academic. But he used to stay on topic, finish sentences, make coherent points, and generally function. Now he's reduced to somehow shouting and mumbling at the same time, confusing names and years, connecting vague concepts together until he gets applause from the audience.
Neurosyphilis is wild
I know I'm gonna get downvoted to hell on Lemmy but it was just a normal speech fumble like everyone has, it was a bit weird that he changed subject like that but overall I wouldn't say "Fumbles Repeatedly in Terrifying Speech", this news to me seems petty and comes of smelling of desperation.
The fumbles are similar to what people have been upset about in the debate. Probably there are more important things to focus on, such as policy and competency.
Ding ding ding
I hate ding-ding-dinging.
winner winner chicken dinner
This one is still okay.
I'm sorry, but if you're a presidential candidate, I'd rather you not fumble and speak coherently about how you're going to lead the nation.
Yeah, I think that the media is reaching to show that Trump is also unfit after they spent so freaking out about the Biden debate.
The problem is that Trump is unfit for very different reasons than Biden is unfit.
Trump had some run-on sentences in those clips, and a lot of what he was saying was either false or terrible policy, but I understood every point that he was ineloquently making, even if I thought they were bad points.
Biden’s debate performance, on the other hand, had several moments where I don’t know what he was trying to say.
Trump in these clips changed topics within the scope of the larger argument that he was making: “America is broken and only I can fix it”. I disagree with his argument and several underlying pieces of evidence. He wandered between very different points without clearly transitioning. In spite of that, he was still coherent and I could immediately understand what he was saying.
Biden answered a question about abortion by talking about how Trump thinks illegal immigrants kill little girls, allowing Trump to segue to that topic and not address overturning Roe V Wade. Several times in that debate, I didn’t know what point Biden was trying to argue.
I will vote for Joe, but pretending that Trump’s mental state has deteriorated to the same level as Biden’s is clearly a delusion. Trump had less mental acuity to lose, but it’s still there and still lying and rambling and meandering around a given theme, saying everything and anything to support it regardless of if it makes sense. Biden can’t seem to remember what he was talking about after a few seconds.
If you want to focus on Trump’s lack of fitness, this is the wrong way to do it. It’s entirely being framed around the ways that Biden is unfit. Within that framing, Biden always looks worse. Trump is unfit for other reasons, and we should focus on those until we have a candidate running against him with a bit more mental acuity.
trump WISHES he was duterte
Heyy a casual mention of the Expanse series pit of nowhere 😃
While I would love this to be a reference to The Expanse, they're probably talking about the former president of the Philippines. Rodrigo Duterte had a policy of basically legalized vigilante murder for suspected drug dealers.
OMG sorry for being ignorant, the comparison to Winston Duarte was too similar.
Especially in the books. Duarte in the books is just like all the worst parts of Caesar (which I guess was part of the idea the writers had).
He suddenly remembered that he is against UHC.
Meanwhile in Russia:
(Among people who said death penalty should be unbanned) "As a punushment for what crimes do you find death penalty to be acceptable?", multiple answers
Drugs / drug dealing: 3%
Trump's plan is to do nothing more than inflict pain and death on people.
His plan is to do what Republicans have been doing since Coolidge and Democrats have been doing since Carter. More police, richer bankers, lower taxes, bigger prisons.
This sounds like one of his more coherent speeches.
Nothing to see here, lets concentrate on the other moribund person running. /s
Witch hunt!1!! /s It's nothing but oral diarrhea. As usual! Move on, nothing to see here!
What is with the music?
He has music playing during his rallies to get the emotional appeal from his supporters.
Zomfg the airlines are poorly run. Great! Let's regulate them again. Bring back the 70s. MAGA by regulating those mega corporations, busting those monopolies.
I’m not meaning to detract from any of the terrifying nature of this
But also, is it just me or does TNR really need to fix their mobile site
NGL... Gonna be a good day in America, IF and when he has Zuckerberg thrown into prison along with all the other corrupt animals.
Be a better day when his heart finally kills him
"It's ok! Trump does it too!"
Biden's cult really thinks this makes it better, don't they?
Yes Biden's Cult! The ones who support Biden to the Grave despite Biden selling our State Secrets to Enemies and having 34 Felonies and Raping Children with Jeffrey Epstein. Yes Biden's Cult!
No, the ones who would rather he lose to Trump than admit they were wrong.
So then if the metric for voting is whos brain works the best, then Trump is still much better.