Must be nice to be able to have a tantrum in court, yell at the judge, and then just be able to walk out.
I encourage everyone to try it sometime.
I encourage everyone to try it sometime.
Do fries come with that Contempt?
Freedom to be in jail fries.
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He might be one of half a dozen people who could get away with that in a US federal court.
I wonder if Elon could get away with it.
Florida man tackled by bailiff?
Injustice Engoron says different rules for you plebs.
The judge is trying to prevent any pretext to getting the case thrown out on appeals. It's bullshit but having all this hard work go up in smoke because a brainless judge higher up found a tiny fault in an unprecedented case would be horrid.
What a piece of shit system that cannot treat people equally... Fucking farce of a country.
While it's very stark, I doubt you'll find many countries treating their billionaires the same as their workers.
Having company doesn't make it good or correct.
Did you miss the part where they are rich and connected thus better than us? /s
If The Invisible Hand has bestowed you with wealth, clearly you are blessed among men, and the priests in their robes give you deference for your holiness.
That's not what the fucking "invisible hand" is! It's what lots of idiots (not talking about you, just in general) think it is, but they're wrong!
It's the natural implication of downplaying the seriousness of something. Saying other countries suck too is not only what-about-ism, but is directly diluting the seriousness of the offense.
"Everybody does it" is classic children's logic and a fallacy.
You're putting words in my mouth so you can shit on a country on particular.
I think the statement is more of a “It’s difficult to avoid this problem” than an “it’s fine because everyone does it”
Again, I didn't say it because I expect it to be the common interpretation. Why the fuck is everyone so confused by hedging against Poe's Law?! Do you all fucking suck this badly at discussing nuance? Someone clarifies one thing and you're... angry at them??
Fucking pathetic.
I think you are looking way too hard into it based on whatever preconceived issue you have.
Nothing you said has any baring on this particular issue.
Absolutely no one here has said what's going on is good.
Good job failing to understand that this is not a conversation between me and you. I said what I said to avoid Poe's Law. Just because you didn't need the obvious stated does not mean everyone will avoid taking implications, even ones that aren't strictly there.
If you think that's unneccessary, then you should try having more conversations where you're trying to get multiple people to understand something. You HAVE to be clear, or others WILL wander in to the weeds and take the completely wrong lesson from something.
Considering I'm only one of many people that think what you're saying isn't right in this context, you should probably follow your own advice.
Jokes on us: like police do all the time, if a judge wants to "find" such a fault - maybe by citing precedence from a thousand years ago? - then they will. Ofc there is no reason to make it easy on them.
frankly, i'm shocked they haven't tried to cite the Magna Carta yet.
There's an agency near me that actually has the Magna Carta date on their patches. It's humorous to think that many of them have no idea what it means.
Hrm, don't start giving them any IDEAS now... :-P
If Trump launched his fatass onto the bench like that guy in Vegas Engoron would apologize to him.
Justice Engoron, in a plea to Trump's attorney, Chris Kise, implored, “Mr. Kise, please control your client.” However, the attempt to rein in Trump proved futile as he continued his tirade, even bringing up the prosecutor's alleged political motives, including what he called her "failed" run for Governor.
Should have charged him with contempt.
Then some asshole judge in East Bumblefuck will charge Biden with contempt, for reasons
So? If you let fear of fascist reprisal stop you from upholding the rule of law, then they've won.
Joe Biden isn't on trial for anything.
You think that will stop them?
it might not stop them from trying
So what?
Biden is not on trial. This would be an apparently senile judge yelling at the wind.
This happened in Illinois, some downstate dipshit judge was going to hold the governor in contempt because of emergency declarations during COVID times. It was a political stunt by this jackass named Daren Bailey who then ran for governor and lost. Him and this other dumbass named Dan Proft are funded by the Uihleins who own Uline and are constantly trying to cause problems.
Wait a minute. Judges can't make the right calls because other judges might make the wrong call?
So the answer is for the first judges in question to make the wrong call?
This is what happens when you engage in mental gymnastics. Things just stop making sense unless you're an idiot.
Disobeyed Judges orders so hes gonna be held in contempt right? Were not going to keep reinforcing to this child that he doesn't get any consequences right? . . . right? The US Justice system is doing this to itself, and every day it proves itself inadequate to contain this threat.
I agree that they're doing it to themselves, but it's not that it's inadequate. It's that they aren't treating him like a mob boss. They are presuming he has a shred of human decency and isn't a psychopathic narcissist ready to burn it all down out of pettiness and spite.
They've prosecuted mob bosses before, so they simply need to change their paradigm.
No, they're treating him like the mob boss of a mob of millions of armed people ready to kill for him because that's what he is.
So the threat of political violence has tangible results on the rules of justice? You know that only encourages more political violence right? It's "Might makes right" with like one extra step. No one willing to die for Trump is going to care if he goes to jail now or next year they will do what they will do. But changing procedure because of them means their threats are working, which means the US Justice System, is not.
And you think there's ever been a time where it wasn't the case?
Threaten the judge presiding a case and their family and you'll never get an impartial ruling.
Bring someone like Trump to court and you better make sure you take everything slow and make sure no one can question any of your decisions, not even his supporters.
Do you honestly think he supporters care? They don't believe in truth, nothing a lawyers says or does is goning to change their mind. All the justice system is doing is showing them violence works. If thats the justice system you want then we have fundamental differences on what justice is.
Never said that's what I want, I just don't deny what reality is like.
Then 'reality' is settign the stage for bigger coups and more stochastic violence from fascist leaders. This mentality you seem to think is 'reality' is not an preventing violence, it's just kicking it down the road to the jext judge, the next governor, the next person they target. It's MORE dangerous to do what we're doing now. You're very nonchallant for someone to whom reality means violence gets you what you want.
Welcome to the real world? Go read a couple of history books and you'll soon realize that there's nothing special about what's going on at the moment.
Welp then instead of doing anything proactive, should any of that violence you don't care about makes it's way to you, I hope reading your book gives you great comfort in knowing that it was nothing special. The difference between history and the present is we can still change the prsent. You sound like you couldn't change a lightbulb with that perspective on things though. Good luck.
Tell me what you'll do to make the judge act differently towards Trump.
Im gonna threaten violence because aparently it's nothing special and always works historically.
Let it happen. If they couldn't do it on Jan. 6th, they're not going to be able to do shit now. They're all goddamn cowards and anybody that commits violence in his name can get locked up right alongside him.
Better squash it now than let them know threats of violence get the intended result I say. Their response isn't gonna change because the case is more bulletproof, they don't believe in truth anyway.
That's a very good point I've only just really let sink in. Trump not passing go and going directly to jail will mean chaos and collateral damage, perhaps globally. Things have to be done delicately for all our sakes unfortunately.
You don't think that the current approach isn't causing chaos? He literally forged documents to send imposters into the electoral college vote. His supporters stormed the capitol - beating and killing security personnel and in one case being shot dead by special services. I don't think that jailing Trump will make these issues go away as they're too ingrained already, but I do think a harder stance needs to be taken before there's no more ground to stand on.
I do. He needs to go to jail eventually, or at least be made ineligible to run for office, or both. But if law enforcement locked him up tomorrow I think that could be immediately destabilizing of American society and the ensuing riots could cause massive loss of life and destruction, if not all out civil war, frankly. The cult of Trump is not insignificant. I live in New Zealand, and even here I encounter Trump pariahs all the time. We are living in very interesting times.
The asymmetry here is the most frustrating thing, but building things has always been harder than tearing them down. Dealing with Trump and the cult surrounding him, and the phenomena that actually made him possible in the first place (social media and the outrage and misinformation economy that has infected news media and the entire information space), is probably going to be the project that defines this decade, and that all other projects depend on for their success (like dealing with climate change). So it's one that if we fail, could set us back to the early 1900s or worse in terms of global societal cohesion. I don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I say this.
I see a lot of people (who are not Americans) speculating on the prospect of an American Civil War Part II, but I live here and I'm not seeing it. That's what Jan 6th was supposed to be, and it didn't work. The people that like him are like him- loudmouthed blowhards with no critical thinking skills. There will be no civil war. Our democracy is broken and our politics are a joke, but there's not going to be full out war over this. We eat too well.
I hope you're right. The fact all the polling data puts Trump at an almost 50% chance of being re-elected if allowed to run is not encouraging, and it's almost like the closer we get to locking him up (or out), the more popular he becomes.
His followers lack critical thinking skills. But so does the overwhelming majority of the population. That was really my point.
He should have been arrested, cuffed, and hauled off to be locked up like anyone else.
Instead everyone will continue to coddle him, emboldening his jackass followers as if this course is somehow favorable to consequences.
Why is this a thing?? I don't get it. It's so stupid. Anybody else would get their ass handed back to them but he's the exception for some reason I can't fathom. Like, even if he has a lot of followers, so what?
In this case, to give absolutely zero room for mistrial complaints that the judge was biased against him.
And guess what? He has zero room for complaints. The judge has handled this pretty much perfectly.
to give absolutely zero room for mistrial complaints
My man standing up on the desk, pulling down his pants, shitting all over the place, then waddling out with his pants around his ankles and the judge turns to the bailiff saying "No no no, let him do his thing, I don't want to risk a mistrial".
He has zero room for complaints.
He's been indicted 91 times since he left office and we've yet to see any of them resolve into some kind of legal punishment. Everything is supposedly coming to a head between March and May of this year, but... In the middle of a heated election season, I'm not holding my breath on that shit getting deferred or extended or whatever.
And then if he makes it to November and wins (hardly unlikely, given the direction of the current polling) he's back to being Unitary Executive and immune to prosecution. And then we'll get four more years. And if the country doesn't collapse on itself after that, we get to restart the whole process and hope another four years of pretending to indict a former President now pushing into his mid-80s will mean anything.
Guy is going to die of poor health long before he sees the inside of a jail cell. The US justice system simply is not built to punish people like him.
Yeah I think this is a case of "go ahead cry, you lost, game over"
I mean he was the President. As much as I hate the guy and think he is an awful leader he still has privilege above ours. Life has politics EVERYWHERE. His boss. His family. His community. There are certain things this judge has to balance in every decision.
I don't know the judge or the details of the case. But you ask why he is hauled off? Because MOST white old guys that fuck up are just slapped on the wrist, pay a fine, and do community service unless he actually was violent. Did he perpetuate violence? Absolutely. Has that been proven in a court yet? No. It's not so black and white.
Trump is such a pussy. Yes, I will judge anyone who still supports this weak, sad, mentally deranged man. People keep throwing around accusations of this and that is what is wrong with America, well, the fact that anyone even allows this traitor or anyone like him the time of day, is what is wrong with America.
Edit: I now realize the irony of the fact that it is important to know what is going on in the world, and to do that, we have to hear about all this stuff. Also, my comment is in no way directed at OP. Realizing how this may have come out towards OP made me realize the irony as well.
What really bothers me is if his supporters even hear of this at all it will be a wish fulfillment fantasy about telling your boss to go to hell when you rage quit your job (at an emotional level) and they will imagine Trump cooly dropping burn after burn on the judge before mic dropping, leaving everyone thinking Trump (who they have attached their ego to) is the coolest guy ever and the judge is a loser.
That's what is really sad. That, and the fact that they get to vote.
You're good, homie, no offense taken at all.
Why is he not sitting in a cell for contempt of court?
The judge is setting a bad precedent that is going to be used every single time he tries to hold anyone else in contempt ever again.
I think this is a case of "I know you're going to appeal and say I was bias. They're going to look at how much I let you do and get away with and laugh in your face." I think she's playing the long game.
Couldn't anyone else that was held in contempt for doing the same shit down the road use this in their appeal though?
Not directly. Judges have significant discretion over their courtroom decorum and procedure.
If the judges decisions on stuff like this are reasonable, they are upheld, even if it's applied diametrically to two identical litigants.
I dunno, giving special treatment to certain defendants doesn't seem like "the long game" to me.
I'm not going to pretend that this is some grand strategy by Trump. He's an immature man-child and that's all there is to it.
But there most certainly is a strategy by his lawyers.
If their client somehow manages to make the judge "lose their cool" its fuel for an appeal/mistrial. So they really have no interest in ACTUALLY controlling his outbursts.
Isn't it typical for a lawyer to be held in contempt for not following court rules? Will there be contempt proceedings near the end of the trial?
I've never heard of a judge doing such a thing at the end or after a trial, but it would be priceless to see the judge run down the laundry list of actions taken or not taken by the attorneys that they would be receiving fines for.
Snowflake behavior ❄️👶
When you're famous, they just let you do it.
This title is hilarious compared to others I’ve seen. Makes it seem like shit was crazy. Like they’re trying to top the guy who superman’d over the bench last week. It wasn’t. He spoke and the judge let him. And the judge will make his decision soon so let’s see how the EXPLOSIVE UNHINGED ATTACKS work out for him.
Yeah I was going to say, "stormed out"? I've never seen a courtroom where the defendant could just leave, especially not in a case that's this high profile.
It's civil not criminal so defendant isn't required to attend
He could "storm out" because it was lunchtime
"I'm going to call a one-hour recess."
"Thank you, your honor" Storms out
How explosively unhinged of you!
I'm guessing the only explosive or thunderous thing that happened was just Trump shitting his diaper as he waddled out.
this article- which I skimmed - seems like a left-leaning Fox News. Like massive hyperbole and exaggeration designed to get rage clicks
Unfortunately that's the devolution of most media now... It's ridiculous.
No no we can't be the media or the press and simply provide information, we are ad revenue companies masquerading as the press.
Right, left, center, whatever. It's all devolving into click bait shit.
Did anyone expect something different? He is a big child that never learned the meaning of tbe word "No". He simply cannot accept that someome sets real limits to his doings, so they must be wrong.
Everything the man does is perfectly predictable (note the date!) given that context.
Definitely the actions of an innocent man. Lmao he's such a loser, and sore one at that. Hopefully they bleed his criminal organization dry with the verdict
Call your Senators and Congressmen and tell them this shit is unacceptable. Call over and over until their aides are sick of hearing your voice. Even if you aren't in the same party and you didn't vote for them. Let every gov't employee know enough is enough.
Call your Senators and Congressmen and tell them this shit is unacceptable.
Hello, Mr. Ted Cruz? I'd like to file a complaint abou.... Oh, go fuck myself? No, that's fair. I'll just dial Mr Crenshaw and... Nope, it appears I'm being told that this phone call is uncivil and I can go fuck myself. Okay, well, you'll be hearing from my vote in a heavily caged and gerrymandered set of districts.
Call over and over until their aides are sick of hearing your voice.
Daily screaming matches with some telemarketing company paid to handle their calls will do more harm to me than to any of them.
Call your Senators and Congressmen and tell them this shit is unacceptable.
This has never had any impact on anything and idk why you people are so deluded into believing otherwise.
DONATE (bribe) to your representatives. That's what they listen to.
I guarantee, not a single senator will read anything anyone here ever sends to them.
When is the last time you called yours?
What the fuck is that supposed to accomplish? They don't directly influence the judge. This comment makes no sense to me.
He stormed out because he shit himself. Again. And was stinking up the courtroom. Again. If you watch the video, you see him holding his butt and waddling.
You're gonna make me look it up myself?!
I would encourage you to just take my word for it, in this instance...
For real though, you got a link? I can only find clips
I was making an educated guess. I haven't actually seen any footage. But it's probably what I said.
Don't be so hard on the guy. He just needed a diaper change. Happens all the time to babies.
Trump is terrible enough without making up blatant misinformation. That's the sort of fuckery MAGA dipshits do; you should be better than that.
How have you seen a video? I can't find one.
I was making an educated guess.
Basically fact ngl
Is there video of it? I didn't see any in the article and usually video isn't allowed in a courtroom no?
Why does this petulant child keep getting away with shit?
💸
I remember when a judge gave a girl a harsher sentence just because she was smiling.
Justice for the rich is not the same as justice for the poor.
It's another reason why every poor person who thinks the disparity in wealth should continue to grow is a fucking idiot.
I hope they slap him with contempt again.
At this point I'd be happy if they just like literally slap him.
Stormy Daniels out?
like Naxx out?
I was just wondering if Trump stormed out of the court room or if he Stormy Danieled out. I've heard he does that sometimes. Rumor has it that he even Jeffrey Epsteins around from time to time - but only when he is not John Doeing.
He doesn’t always John Doe, but when he does, he John Doe 174’s.
I hope this is used as precedent by so many people to have tantrums in court and walk the fuck out. and that all of legal history looks back on this judge for causing this with his desire to let trump do whatever the fuck he wants without significant, meaningful repercussion.
Unfortunately what happens in a situation like this in court is up to the judge to handle.
Trying to use this as a precedent on how you're treated would be laughed at by other judge.
But... if you happen to have this judge, that would he very interesting to see.
Justice Engoron, in a plea to Trump's attorney, Chris Kise, implored, “Mr. Kise, please control your client.” However, the attempt to rein in Trump proved futile as he continued his tirade, even bringing up the prosecutor's alleged political motives, including what he called her "failed" run for Governor.
lmfao and the attorney will probably never get paid. God what those meetings must be like…
Kise has already been paid to the tune of $3M.
No attorneys will work for Donald Trump without a huge retainer up front.
Good attorneys will not work for him at all.
I wish the judge had simply replied “would you like cheese with whine?” and then locked him for contempt of court.
Since when is the client allowed to deliver a closing statement anyways
I'm sure Trump just wanted to talk... And... If I'm the prosecution I'd probably be OK with it, banking on this exact outcome. Haha
careful now, drumpf. that hamburder heart might just do the world a favour...
my money is on him having a stroke, but yeah-- he's old and in shitty health. there's only so much more of that crap he can pull before he drops dead of something.
So, he accused everyone else of being him and then shuffled out like Grandpa Boomboom
Justice Engoron previously denied Trump's ask to deliver part of the closing arguments when his attorneys refused to agree to terms that Trump would not attack the Court and violate Court rules.
"Your Honor, I have literally no control over my client. He's essentially an aged, rabid dog at this point."
Edit: lol, I haven't gotten to this part of the article yet
Justice Engoron, in a plea to Trump's attorney, Chris Kise, implored, “Mr. Kise, please control your client.” However, the attempt to rein in Trump proved futile as he continued his tirade, even bringing up the prosecutor's alleged political motives, including what he called her "failed" run for Governor.
Now take everything from him.
Like a spoiled child who was forced to share his toys. What a baby. I sware, there are certain developmental milestones that are impossible to hit if you grow up rich.
How did that dirtbag Roger Stone say it (but about people that, unlike donnie, didn't do anything)?
It's donnie's turn in the barrel.
Wow. I hate Trump but that headline fucking reaches.
Did you actually read the article because that's exactly what happens.
Yeah, nobody else is framing the situation anything like this article says.
You do realize "attacks" doesn't imply physically, right?
I wish it did because maybe he would be in jail already for assaulting a judge.
If he was a black man they would have restrained him and then claimed he was resisting while doing so so they could beat him.
Knowing this "justice" system, they'd just fine him and add one extra deputy to the court room, when we all saw what happened to Mr Hops when he assaulted a judge... frigging murder charges almost.
Must be nice to be able to have a tantrum in court, yell at the judge, and then just be able to walk out.
I encourage everyone to try it sometime.
Do fries come with that Contempt?
Freedom to be in jail fries.
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He might be one of half a dozen people who could get away with that in a US federal court.
I wonder if Elon could get away with it.
Florida man tackled by bailiff?
Injustice Engoron says different rules for you plebs.
The judge is trying to prevent any pretext to getting the case thrown out on appeals. It's bullshit but having all this hard work go up in smoke because a brainless judge higher up found a tiny fault in an unprecedented case would be horrid.
What a piece of shit system that cannot treat people equally... Fucking farce of a country.
While it's very stark, I doubt you'll find many countries treating their billionaires the same as their workers.
Having company doesn't make it good or correct.
Did you miss the part where they are rich and connected thus better than us? /s
If The Invisible Hand has bestowed you with wealth, clearly you are blessed among men, and the priests in their robes give you deference for your holiness.
That's not what the fucking "invisible hand" is! It's what lots of idiots (not talking about you, just in general) think it is, but they're wrong!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/03/11/adam-smiths-invisible-hand-really-isnt-what-you-think-it-is/
Who here said it was good or correct?
It's the natural implication of downplaying the seriousness of something. Saying other countries suck too is not only what-about-ism, but is directly diluting the seriousness of the offense.
"Everybody does it" is classic children's logic and a fallacy.
You're putting words in my mouth so you can shit on a country on particular.
I think the statement is more of a “It’s difficult to avoid this problem” than an “it’s fine because everyone does it”
Again, I didn't say it because I expect it to be the common interpretation. Why the fuck is everyone so confused by hedging against Poe's Law?! Do you all fucking suck this badly at discussing nuance? Someone clarifies one thing and you're... angry at them??
Fucking pathetic.
I think you are looking way too hard into it based on whatever preconceived issue you have.
Nothing you said has any baring on this particular issue.
Absolutely no one here has said what's going on is good.
Good job failing to understand that this is not a conversation between me and you. I said what I said to avoid Poe's Law. Just because you didn't need the obvious stated does not mean everyone will avoid taking implications, even ones that aren't strictly there.
If you think that's unneccessary, then you should try having more conversations where you're trying to get multiple people to understand something. You HAVE to be clear, or others WILL wander in to the weeds and take the completely wrong lesson from something.
Considering I'm only one of many people that think what you're saying isn't right in this context, you should probably follow your own advice.
Jokes on us: like police do all the time, if a judge wants to "find" such a fault - maybe by citing precedence from a thousand years ago? - then they will. Ofc there is no reason to make it easy on them.
frankly, i'm shocked they haven't tried to cite the Magna Carta yet.
There's an agency near me that actually has the Magna Carta date on their patches. It's humorous to think that many of them have no idea what it means.
Hrm, don't start giving them any IDEAS now... :-P
If Trump launched his fatass onto the bench like that guy in Vegas Engoron would apologize to him.
Should have charged him with contempt.
Then some asshole judge in East Bumblefuck will charge Biden with contempt, for reasons
So? If you let fear of fascist reprisal stop you from upholding the rule of law, then they've won.
Joe Biden isn't on trial for anything.
You think that will stop them?
it might not stop them from trying
So what?
Biden is not on trial. This would be an apparently senile judge yelling at the wind.
This happened in Illinois, some downstate dipshit judge was going to hold the governor in contempt because of emergency declarations during COVID times. It was a political stunt by this jackass named Daren Bailey who then ran for governor and lost. Him and this other dumbass named Dan Proft are funded by the Uihleins who own Uline and are constantly trying to cause problems.
Wait a minute. Judges can't make the right calls because other judges might make the wrong call?
So the answer is for the first judges in question to make the wrong call?
This is what happens when you engage in mental gymnastics. Things just stop making sense unless you're an idiot.
Disobeyed Judges orders so hes gonna be held in contempt right? Were not going to keep reinforcing to this child that he doesn't get any consequences right? . . . right? The US Justice system is doing this to itself, and every day it proves itself inadequate to contain this threat.
I agree that they're doing it to themselves, but it's not that it's inadequate. It's that they aren't treating him like a mob boss. They are presuming he has a shred of human decency and isn't a psychopathic narcissist ready to burn it all down out of pettiness and spite.
They've prosecuted mob bosses before, so they simply need to change their paradigm.
No, they're treating him like the mob boss of a mob of millions of armed people ready to kill for him because that's what he is.
So the threat of political violence has tangible results on the rules of justice? You know that only encourages more political violence right? It's "Might makes right" with like one extra step. No one willing to die for Trump is going to care if he goes to jail now or next year they will do what they will do. But changing procedure because of them means their threats are working, which means the US Justice System, is not.
And you think there's ever been a time where it wasn't the case?
Threaten the judge presiding a case and their family and you'll never get an impartial ruling.
Bring someone like Trump to court and you better make sure you take everything slow and make sure no one can question any of your decisions, not even his supporters.
Do you honestly think he supporters care? They don't believe in truth, nothing a lawyers says or does is goning to change their mind. All the justice system is doing is showing them violence works. If thats the justice system you want then we have fundamental differences on what justice is.
Never said that's what I want, I just don't deny what reality is like.
Then 'reality' is settign the stage for bigger coups and more stochastic violence from fascist leaders. This mentality you seem to think is 'reality' is not an preventing violence, it's just kicking it down the road to the jext judge, the next governor, the next person they target. It's MORE dangerous to do what we're doing now. You're very nonchallant for someone to whom reality means violence gets you what you want.
Welcome to the real world? Go read a couple of history books and you'll soon realize that there's nothing special about what's going on at the moment.
Welp then instead of doing anything proactive, should any of that violence you don't care about makes it's way to you, I hope reading your book gives you great comfort in knowing that it was nothing special. The difference between history and the present is we can still change the prsent. You sound like you couldn't change a lightbulb with that perspective on things though. Good luck.
Tell me what you'll do to make the judge act differently towards Trump.
Im gonna threaten violence because aparently it's nothing special and always works historically.
Let it happen. If they couldn't do it on Jan. 6th, they're not going to be able to do shit now. They're all goddamn cowards and anybody that commits violence in his name can get locked up right alongside him.
Better squash it now than let them know threats of violence get the intended result I say. Their response isn't gonna change because the case is more bulletproof, they don't believe in truth anyway.
That's a very good point I've only just really let sink in. Trump not passing go and going directly to jail will mean chaos and collateral damage, perhaps globally. Things have to be done delicately for all our sakes unfortunately.
You don't think that the current approach isn't causing chaos? He literally forged documents to send imposters into the electoral college vote. His supporters stormed the capitol - beating and killing security personnel and in one case being shot dead by special services. I don't think that jailing Trump will make these issues go away as they're too ingrained already, but I do think a harder stance needs to be taken before there's no more ground to stand on.
I do. He needs to go to jail eventually, or at least be made ineligible to run for office, or both. But if law enforcement locked him up tomorrow I think that could be immediately destabilizing of American society and the ensuing riots could cause massive loss of life and destruction, if not all out civil war, frankly. The cult of Trump is not insignificant. I live in New Zealand, and even here I encounter Trump pariahs all the time. We are living in very interesting times.
The asymmetry here is the most frustrating thing, but building things has always been harder than tearing them down. Dealing with Trump and the cult surrounding him, and the phenomena that actually made him possible in the first place (social media and the outrage and misinformation economy that has infected news media and the entire information space), is probably going to be the project that defines this decade, and that all other projects depend on for their success (like dealing with climate change). So it's one that if we fail, could set us back to the early 1900s or worse in terms of global societal cohesion. I don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I say this.
I see a lot of people (who are not Americans) speculating on the prospect of an American Civil War Part II, but I live here and I'm not seeing it. That's what Jan 6th was supposed to be, and it didn't work. The people that like him are like him- loudmouthed blowhards with no critical thinking skills. There will be no civil war. Our democracy is broken and our politics are a joke, but there's not going to be full out war over this. We eat too well.
I hope you're right. The fact all the polling data puts Trump at an almost 50% chance of being re-elected if allowed to run is not encouraging, and it's almost like the closer we get to locking him up (or out), the more popular he becomes.
His followers lack critical thinking skills. But so does the overwhelming majority of the population. That was really my point.
A normal person would've been tackled by the bailiff by now.
He should have been arrested, cuffed, and hauled off to be locked up like anyone else.
Instead everyone will continue to coddle him, emboldening his jackass followers as if this course is somehow favorable to consequences.
Why is this a thing?? I don't get it. It's so stupid. Anybody else would get their ass handed back to them but he's the exception for some reason I can't fathom. Like, even if he has a lot of followers, so what?
In this case, to give absolutely zero room for mistrial complaints that the judge was biased against him.
And guess what? He has zero room for complaints. The judge has handled this pretty much perfectly.
My man standing up on the desk, pulling down his pants, shitting all over the place, then waddling out with his pants around his ankles and the judge turns to the bailiff saying "No no no, let him do his thing, I don't want to risk a mistrial".
He's been indicted 91 times since he left office and we've yet to see any of them resolve into some kind of legal punishment. Everything is supposedly coming to a head between March and May of this year, but... In the middle of a heated election season, I'm not holding my breath on that shit getting deferred or extended or whatever.
And then if he makes it to November and wins (hardly unlikely, given the direction of the current polling) he's back to being Unitary Executive and immune to prosecution. And then we'll get four more years. And if the country doesn't collapse on itself after that, we get to restart the whole process and hope another four years of pretending to indict a former President now pushing into his mid-80s will mean anything.
Guy is going to die of poor health long before he sees the inside of a jail cell. The US justice system simply is not built to punish people like him.
Yeah I think this is a case of "go ahead cry, you lost, game over"
I mean he was the President. As much as I hate the guy and think he is an awful leader he still has privilege above ours. Life has politics EVERYWHERE. His boss. His family. His community. There are certain things this judge has to balance in every decision.
I don't know the judge or the details of the case. But you ask why he is hauled off? Because MOST white old guys that fuck up are just slapped on the wrist, pay a fine, and do community service unless he actually was violent. Did he perpetuate violence? Absolutely. Has that been proven in a court yet? No. It's not so black and white.
Lock him up, lock him up, lock him up
Baby Hands is such a snowflake
Snowflakes are actually cool. He's a fucking chud.
A chudflake, if you will.
snowflakes. so chill.
TinyHands McMushroomDick
Trump is such a pussy. Yes, I will judge anyone who still supports this weak, sad, mentally deranged man. People keep throwing around accusations of this and that is what is wrong with America, well, the fact that anyone even allows this traitor or anyone like him the time of day, is what is wrong with America.
Edit: I now realize the irony of the fact that it is important to know what is going on in the world, and to do that, we have to hear about all this stuff. Also, my comment is in no way directed at OP. Realizing how this may have come out towards OP made me realize the irony as well.
What really bothers me is if his supporters even hear of this at all it will be a wish fulfillment fantasy about telling your boss to go to hell when you rage quit your job (at an emotional level) and they will imagine Trump cooly dropping burn after burn on the judge before mic dropping, leaving everyone thinking Trump (who they have attached their ego to) is the coolest guy ever and the judge is a loser.
That's what is really sad. That, and the fact that they get to vote.
You're good, homie, no offense taken at all.
Why is he not sitting in a cell for contempt of court?
The judge is setting a bad precedent that is going to be used every single time he tries to hold anyone else in contempt ever again.
I think this is a case of "I know you're going to appeal and say I was bias. They're going to look at how much I let you do and get away with and laugh in your face." I think she's playing the long game.
Couldn't anyone else that was held in contempt for doing the same shit down the road use this in their appeal though?
Not directly. Judges have significant discretion over their courtroom decorum and procedure.
If the judges decisions on stuff like this are reasonable, they are upheld, even if it's applied diametrically to two identical litigants.
I dunno, giving special treatment to certain defendants doesn't seem like "the long game" to me.
I'm not going to pretend that this is some grand strategy by Trump. He's an immature man-child and that's all there is to it.
But there most certainly is a strategy by his lawyers.
If their client somehow manages to make the judge "lose their cool" its fuel for an appeal/mistrial. So they really have no interest in ACTUALLY controlling his outbursts.
Isn't it typical for a lawyer to be held in contempt for not following court rules? Will there be contempt proceedings near the end of the trial?
I've never heard of a judge doing such a thing at the end or after a trial, but it would be priceless to see the judge run down the laundry list of actions taken or not taken by the attorneys that they would be receiving fines for.
Snowflake behavior ❄️👶
When you're famous, they just let you do it.
This title is hilarious compared to others I’ve seen. Makes it seem like shit was crazy. Like they’re trying to top the guy who superman’d over the bench last week. It wasn’t. He spoke and the judge let him. And the judge will make his decision soon so let’s see how the EXPLOSIVE UNHINGED ATTACKS work out for him.
Yeah I was going to say, "stormed out"? I've never seen a courtroom where the defendant could just leave, especially not in a case that's this high profile.
It's civil not criminal so defendant isn't required to attend
He could "storm out" because it was lunchtime
"I'm going to call a one-hour recess."
"Thank you, your honor" Storms out
How explosively unhinged of you!
I'm guessing the only explosive or thunderous thing that happened was just Trump shitting his diaper as he waddled out.
this article- which I skimmed - seems like a left-leaning Fox News. Like massive hyperbole and exaggeration designed to get rage clicks
Unfortunately that's the devolution of most media now... It's ridiculous.
No no we can't be the media or the press and simply provide information, we are ad revenue companies masquerading as the press.
Right, left, center, whatever. It's all devolving into click bait shit.
Looking at it, it seems worse than Fox. It seems closer to Gateway Pundit or some awful shit like that.
Is there video of this speech?
Not that I’ve seen (doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist), but other coverage I have read makes it seem way less dramatic.
Agreed. I thought there was some huge, unhinged rant. I only read about it, didn't hear it, but it sounds pretty tame compared to this description.
Did anyone expect something different? He is a big child that never learned the meaning of tbe word "No". He simply cannot accept that someome sets real limits to his doings, so they must be wrong.
He has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I can't imagine why this isn't called out more.
Everything the man does is perfectly predictable (note the date!) given that context.
Definitely the actions of an innocent man. Lmao he's such a loser, and sore one at that. Hopefully they bleed his criminal organization dry with the verdict
Call your Senators and Congressmen and tell them this shit is unacceptable. Call over and over until their aides are sick of hearing your voice. Even if you aren't in the same party and you didn't vote for them. Let every gov't employee know enough is enough.
Hello, Mr. Ted Cruz? I'd like to file a complaint abou.... Oh, go fuck myself? No, that's fair. I'll just dial Mr Crenshaw and... Nope, it appears I'm being told that this phone call is uncivil and I can go fuck myself. Okay, well, you'll be hearing from my vote in a heavily caged and gerrymandered set of districts.
Daily screaming matches with some telemarketing company paid to handle their calls will do more harm to me than to any of them.
This has never had any impact on anything and idk why you people are so deluded into believing otherwise.
DONATE (bribe) to your representatives. That's what they listen to.
I guarantee, not a single senator will read anything anyone here ever sends to them.
When is the last time you called yours?
What the fuck is that supposed to accomplish? They don't directly influence the judge. This comment makes no sense to me.
He stormed out because he shit himself. Again. And was stinking up the courtroom. Again. If you watch the video, you see him holding his butt and waddling.
You're gonna make me look it up myself?!
I would encourage you to just take my word for it, in this instance...
For real though, you got a link? I can only find clips
I was making an educated guess. I haven't actually seen any footage. But it's probably what I said.
Don't be so hard on the guy. He just needed a diaper change. Happens all the time to babies.
Trump is terrible enough without making up blatant misinformation. That's the sort of fuckery MAGA dipshits do; you should be better than that.
How have you seen a video? I can't find one.
I was making an educated guess.
Basically fact ngl
Is there video of it? I didn't see any in the article and usually video isn't allowed in a courtroom no?
Why does this petulant child keep getting away with shit?
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I remember when a judge gave a girl a harsher sentence just because she was smiling.
Justice for the rich is not the same as justice for the poor.
It's another reason why every poor person who thinks the disparity in wealth should continue to grow is a fucking idiot.
I hope they slap him with contempt again.
At this point I'd be happy if they just like literally slap him.
Stormy Daniels out?
like Naxx out?
I was just wondering if Trump stormed out of the court room or if he Stormy Danieled out. I've heard he does that sometimes. Rumor has it that he even Jeffrey Epsteins around from time to time - but only when he is not John Doeing.
He doesn’t always John Doe, but when he does, he John Doe 174’s.
I hope this is used as precedent by so many people to have tantrums in court and walk the fuck out. and that all of legal history looks back on this judge for causing this with his desire to let trump do whatever the fuck he wants without significant, meaningful repercussion.
Unfortunately what happens in a situation like this in court is up to the judge to handle.
Trying to use this as a precedent on how you're treated would be laughed at by other judge.
But... if you happen to have this judge, that would he very interesting to see.
lmfao and the attorney will probably never get paid. God what those meetings must be like…
Kise has already been paid to the tune of $3M.
No attorneys will work for Donald Trump without a huge retainer up front.
Good attorneys will not work for him at all.
I wish the judge had simply replied “would you like cheese with whine?” and then locked him for contempt of court.
Since when is the client allowed to deliver a closing statement anyways
I'm sure Trump just wanted to talk... And... If I'm the prosecution I'd probably be OK with it, banking on this exact outcome. Haha
careful now, drumpf. that hamburder heart might just do the world a favour...
my money is on him having a stroke, but yeah-- he's old and in shitty health. there's only so much more of that crap he can pull before he drops dead of something.
He should have negotiated this like how he said he would’ve done to prevent the civil war.
He did.
Sounds like someone needed some Baby Shark and a snack. Poor kid.
Damn did my ex-girlfriend write this headline?
Sooo... a pretty standard Thursday then?
You know when you are playing Phoenix Wright and you have the antagonist in the corner and they blow up near the end...
No objection from me
sounds like baby needs a nap, or a good spanking.. maybe a fresh diaper..
Does someone have a link to the video ?
Here
Wow, he really handed their asses on a plate in that video.
What a man child lol
Ya got me.
There are no cameras allowed in the court, tis only caricatures.
So, he accused everyone else of being him and then shuffled out like Grandpa Boomboom
"Your Honor, I have literally no control over my client. He's essentially an aged, rabid dog at this point."
Edit: lol, I haven't gotten to this part of the article yet
Now take everything from him.
Like a spoiled child who was forced to share his toys. What a baby. I sware, there are certain developmental milestones that are impossible to hit if you grow up rich.
How did that dirtbag Roger Stone say it (but about people that, unlike donnie, didn't do anything)?
It's donnie's turn in the barrel.
Wow. I hate Trump but that headline fucking reaches.
Did you actually read the article because that's exactly what happens.
Yeah, nobody else is framing the situation anything like this article says.
Explain how it should be "framed"
You do realize "attacks" doesn't imply physically, right?
I wish it did because maybe he would be in jail already for assaulting a judge.
If he was a black man they would have restrained him and then claimed he was resisting while doing so so they could beat him.
Knowing this "justice" system, they'd just fine him and add one extra deputy to the court room, when we all saw what happened to Mr Hops when he assaulted a judge... frigging murder charges almost.
tell us all how much you hate him