Milk

Lexi Sneptaur@pawb.social to Lemmy Shitpost@lemmy.world – 1379 points –
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Someone who ordered oat milk to begin with shouldnt have any troubles navigating the world of milk.

Eh. Oat milk is really popular for some reason. It could very likely be the only other milk they know. If someone was drinking rice or soy milk though then yeah I don't know how they wouldn't be familiar.

I tried soy milk before I tried oat milk because soy was the only cruelty free milk I knew about. But I eventually tried all the varieties and determined that oat milk tastes the best.

Oat milk tastes like oats. Which is good if you want to taste oats, and bad if you want to taste anything else.

It's pretty good. Creamy, not too grainy or anything, tastes pretty good with the vanilla and doesn't use nearly the amount of water crop wise.

But also I can cook with it.
But I do look forward to if that yeast milk ever makes it to market.

Soy milk is great, but it's not a good milk substitute.

It should taste beany, and that's not really what I want with my cereal. A Chinese cruller, on the other hand...

I've only had soy milk so I guess I am just blind to the world of plant milks

Another one I like is coconut + rice. It's more like a milky drink than milk, but it's tasty.

"that's a lot of choices"

Stfu and pick one. You sitting there having a casual conversation on your couch. Meanwhile the driver just standing there in the milk aisle staring at their phone for 5 minutes while you want to know all the options and hem and haw.

It’s probably at a cafe or something

If the Dasher is standing in line at Starbucks waiting for an answer that makes it 10x worse lol

That is very likely what is happening

Possibly does not equal very likely

Well considering most people don’t use DoorDash for groceries…

Says who... I delivered for doordash for a while in a medium-ish sized US city and lots of people did exactly that.

You don’t see it as often as you see fast food because groceries were added later than restaurants. People think of it as “eating out with even less effort”

Having someone else stand in line for your fast food is so incredibly absurd I still can't get my head around it

I remember when fast food was actually fast...

Whilst this only applies to a minority of people who use these services, if you're disabled, having someone else stand in line for you is a godsend.

Even the supermarket pickers don't bother. They just grab whatever is a white liquid and at hand.

There's like a 20% chance you're getting PVA glue.

Yeah. But, I always try to be polite and treat delivery workers politely as possible. People are so rude that even "good morning. How are you doing?" Is stuff that none ask them.

Life pro tip: If you are vegan and lactose intolerant get oat milk. Out of all the alternatives that one tastes the closest to the real thing by a country mile.

Yeah but they’re out

No, they're oat

I thought they drank Parmalat up there in Canada.

Idk, I never figured out the bags. Poked one with a straw, but when i set it down to get a cookie, it just like spurted milk, like a mortally wounded animal bleeding out.

They're basically animals, you know. They grow them like that.

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Oat milk is also the best for the environment by an unironic country mile.

Even better than soy? Soy is my favorite

Just think about the difference in producing Soy and Producing Oats.

Oats are cheaper, more widespread globally (farmed in most climates) around the world and require less water. Obviously it would be the better option.

That's not to say that Soy milk isn't good. It's just not as good

My grandfather farmed both soy and oats, but I wasn't aware there was a drastic difference between the water consumed. Now I know. Sucks because I really think soy has the best texture and flavor, but I'm not that picky

Don't worry too hard about it. Even partial reduction is great. Personally I'm just a vegetarian.

Everyone does their part somehow. Don't let purists discourage you from reducing to the level YOU are comfortable at

Thanks for the encouragement! My main thing is I have celiac and severe lactose intolerance. I can drink that lactose free milk, but I prefer to drink plant milks. The one I've tried to avoid is almond milk, after my discord buddy explained how wasteful it is to produce them.

Almond milk uses tons of water compared to other plant milks, but still much better than cow milk at least.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-46654042

I have a hard time finding oat milk without added sugar, and I also find it expires much faster than almond milk. I get unsweetened oat milk if I think I’ll be able to go through it quickly enough otherwise I have to dump like more than 50% which feels like a waste in a different way.

I'm pretty neutral about oat milk. I have celiac disease, so I eat a lot of gluten free oats as a grain, and so I can taste more oatiness in oat milk. For instance, I eat a lot of Cheerios, which are primarily oats, and putting oat milk on top is not the perfect complement. Soy or rice milk balance flavor better imo.

Now, if I were to make a latte, then yeah oat milk all the way! But I don't really drink lattes, and I've never really drank much straight-up milk. It's mostly a cereal condiment for me. And half my family is Mexican, so if I'm going to drink a non-dairy beverage, it's probably going to be horchata which is pretty much rice, cinnamon, and sugar.

But I'm relieved to hear that almond milk is at least not as wasteful as regular dairy. That's no surprise though, given how horribly unethical and destructive the dairy industry is, at least where I live in the US.

Oh yeah almond milk REALLY is not an eco friendly option. Your buddy is right on that. It doesn't help that Almonds are usually grown in countries that are poorer, exploiting them and draining them (even more) of their water supply without paying them.

There's an entire metaphorical water mafia going on that effectively steals water from third world countries while using underpaid (and sometimes even slave) labor. Almonds are one of the things said water is used for.

Even from an animal rights perspective that's messed up because of human mistreatment.

I tried oat milk. While it tastes good, IMO it tastes nothing like milk. The closest description I could give for the taste being "cereal juice"

It's an interesting cooking ingredient though. Certainly has its own unique flavor. It's also a nice refresher drink.

My biggest gripe with oat milk is that it isn't as "filling" as the alternatives. It's a drink, not a food. So when I try to 1:1 use it as a substitute it can leave me feeling sick (example, my morning coffee which I load with milk to get me started)

TLDR: be mindful of the fact that it's VERY different from milk, even if oat milk tastes good.

I'd recommend not substituting 1:1. If you go easy on the oat milk to coffee ratio, you'll have a better experience. IMHO, oat doesn't alter the taste experience of coffee as much as the other stuff, which is my foremost reason for preferring it.

Oh I like lots of it. To a point I make my coffee stronger than most people just to counter how much I dilute it using milk. Think like a 50% water 50% milk ratio. Sometimes 70/30 if I feel like having it stronger.

That is why oat milk is perfect for cereal

I love oat milk in my coffee. It's got a good texture if that makes sense

Mouthfeel you mean?

Listen I’m a trans woman so “mouth feel” has a specific connotation haha

The way I'd describe it is that, compared to other milk alternatives, it is the has the most body.

ie, think of it being closer to full-fat milk than to non-fat milk. You'll notice that the taste lingers in your mouth a bit longer. (body can refer to it lingering for various reasons, but in this case, I think it's fat content, like in milk?)

Another one with a body you might like is rice milk.

fwiw taking a food tasting or wine tasting or coffee tasting class is fun; can pick up taste descriptor words: https://winefolly.com/tips/what-is-wine-body-and-how-to-taste-it/

Soy milk has actual soybeans in it though and therefore better nutritional value in most cases.

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I don't get how they're so good at milking those little oat teats.

It fascinates me how they are getting almond milk.

Poor almond cows.

Almooooo

Shut up Almeera you fat cow. Now let me squeeze your almonds.

Imagine your job being to shop for richer people and have to write them because of something like that. What a time to be alive.

DoorDash is a scam and should be shut down

What did I miss?

It’s the same problem as all the other ride share companies. They don’t pay their drivers enough and they massively over charge customers. Drivers get no benefits and have to use their own cars while DoorDash makes a fortune. It’s disgusting greed and it doesn’t help restaurants either

Yea, but it helps me eat a cheesy gordita crunch when I'm drunk at 1am

Over charge how?

I know a few things could be pennies more expensive on the items in store. They often lack deals found on Native apps.

it's usually cheaper to buy on doordash here than from the restaurants own app. I did get 3 years free DoorDash plus or what ever from Amazon Prime though, I likely won't renew the subscription.

The only rip off is suggesting a 5 dollar tip on a 20 dollar order. Always tip $0.

it's usually cheaper to buy on doordash here than from the restaurants own app.

What the hell kind of bizarre place do you live in?

Newfoundland where restaurants want to charge a 7 dollar delivery fee for a 5 minute drive.

They do that elsewhere as well.

The problem is that apps like Doordash also increase the price of each item individually. So if you order from the restaurant itself, the sandwich might be $10 and fries might be $3. But if you order from Doordash, the sandwich will be $12 and the fries will be $4, then they have delivery fees, AND have all of these other extra mystery fees and then paying the delivery driver on top of that.

Door Dash here has free deliver over 15 bucks at all places but one. The service fee isn't mystery. It's 2.5%.

Like I said above. Only one local near me have different prices on Door Dash and in store. FYI the restaurants/stores set those prices.

Technically, the delivery fee is usually $0-5, but that's not why it's so expensive.

As I said, there are hidden fees too, not just service and delivery fees. Each menu item will have a hidden increased cost. I noticed this once when I compared the line items to a bill I had in the restaurant versus my Doordash bill. They increased the price of every single item on the menu and the app doesn't tell you that they do this. Does this not happen in your country? I'd encourage you to do a test and check by looking at the prices of each item in the app versus going to the restaurant and seeing what their prices are.

Our delivery and service fees will also fluctuate depending on the date and time of day. It is not a constant number and will increase during dinner time and etc.

As I have already said, SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY, there is no price difference between items on Door Dash and instore/restaurant except for the Loblaws grocery store.

These prices are set by the buisness and not Door Dash so your locale may differ but it's not an issue with Door Dash but the individual vendors.

Another local pizza place is on Door Dash and it is ~1 dollar cheaper per item and free delivery, however you cannot choose your own toppings from thier Door Dash store.

Subway is on there. The prices for everything I get are the same price. Double meat is $4.00 on both apps, extra cheese is $2.00 on both apps.

McDonalds has the same price on their app and on Door Dash for everything I regularly order. Door Dash offers free delivery and has smaller fees.

Jesus, dude. Don't blow a fucking gasket. For hundreds of millions of DorrDash customers, this isn't the way it works. For the vast majority of people, the price of every individual item is increased before they even add in the fees. For example, the combo meal for a burger at my local McDonalds is $10.49 in the McDonald's app, but $12.43 in the DoorDash app BEFORE you add any of the non-hidden fees.

I'm glad that DoorDash is cheaper for you, but it doesn't work that way for 99% of their customer base. You are an unusual exception.

Bruh you’re fuckin trolling

No.

The prices for Pizza Delight are the same on thier app and on Door Dash.

Pizza Delight has a 7.99 delivery fee here.

Door Dash has no delivery fee but a Service charge of 2.5%.

Door dash is the clear winner.

The only place I seen with larger mark ups on in store items is Loblaws. That's what the frequent 50% and 25% coupons are for though.

You’re just a troll lying online to defend an extremely exploitative company

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DoorDash were listing restaurants without their permission on the app. So a bunch of restaurants would either get orders they couldn’t fulfill, or DoorDash would just tell customers not to order there because they were unavailable, despite not being given permission to list them in the first place.

DoorDash is a brutally scummy company. Genuinely one of the worst service economy companies going around.

I think Uber that exploits their workers about the same, while also racing to get autonomous driving available no matter how many accidents happen to be quite a bit scummier.

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I wonder what odd jobs the other reindeer do outside of the holiday season.

Prancer does modern dance

Vixen is a model

Comet is a programmer

Dancer is professionally tiny

Cupid is a couple's therapist

Donner is a very specialised party planner

Blitzen is a photographer

Olive is an oil magnate

And Rudolph is a mine shaft inspector.

I just thought up a great business model and it's five times as exploitive as doordash plus we could roll it out for Christmas. By the time the novelty has worn off we should all (and by we, I mean everyone who isn't working for or using the app) be rich. Who wants to help me build doordance?

That's ridiculous.

DoorPrance would eat its lunch.

Your biggest mistake is that you're joking.

Ooo do we get to dance to The Doors? I love doing that. It would be even better if I got paid to do so!

I genuinely wonder who skimmed milk is made for.

If you can't drink whole milk due to the fattiness, you'd surely just drink semi-skimmed milk (2%)

And if you couldn't drink it due to the lactose, you'd just go for milk alternative.

So who is skimmed milk for? Who's buying it?

People who are still afraid of dietary fat from the anti-fat craze of the 80s and 90s.

If you’re watching weight, cutting calories from milk of all places is the worst place to do it. At least from whole down to skim. All the healthy stuff actually just so happens to be in the tasty part, the cream, since milk does these thing of mixing the ”sugar” into the cream in the form of Lactose. Cutting that out just leaves you with a worst-tasting, less nutritious beverage aside from the fewer calories.

If you want fewer calories but still have nutrition, soy is the way to go.

The soy would be great if they made it less salty. It's usually much cheaper than cow titty juice in my region.

I’ve found the shelf-stable tetra-pak versions usually have fewer ingredients. Trader Joe’s brand here in the US is just soybeans and water.

I forgot those existed. I don't have trader joes but I'll check the relevant section for equivalent products next shopping haul.

Why not go for buttermilk instead? The brunt of those dietary fats they are so scared of is in the butter...

It's cos it tastes better in tea.

I don't like the fatty bit in tea. I like it in coffee, but not tea.

But why not 2%/semi-skimmed? You get the milky flavour, but not as fatty.

Probably people who think it's healthier.

It is healthier.

Stop drinking fat water you literal babies.

You don't need trace nutrients from cow titties, you need to eat some goddamn vegetables.

I drink a cup of choccy milk with my salad.

If you wanna be healthy you should drink a milk alternative anyway IMHO

Fuck that, trace nutrients from cow titties are goddamn delicious and I will not be shamed into drinking the sad calcium-water wannabe that is 2% or skim milk. I will drink my whole milk loud and proud, fuck the fat content. My bones are smiling at me, Imperials, can you say the same?

There is really nothing better than whole milk on a bowl of granola for breakfast. I wasn't a whole milk fan until I had kids and tasted what whole milk was like on cereal and in coffee. Plus if you actually have a cup of whole milk, it's so satisfying and filling, it's practically a meal substitute.

Now there's no going back.

Consider I've joked that skimmed milk is water dyed white, I can't help but laugh at whole milk being called fat water haha

Wouldn't you be better off drinking a milk alternative if you wanted a healthier drink? Oat milk is healthy and environmentally friendly(-er)

Tea. Whole milk goes in coffee, skim milk goes in tea.

But why not 2%/semi-skimmed? You get the milky flavour, but not as fatty.

I haven't drank milk in decades but before I quit I was drinking skim because the milk with fat made me nauseous and it tasted better. Eventually even skim milk made me nauseous. Fortunately I have always liked my coffee black. Although I cut out caffeine a few years ago so now it's black decaf on a rare occasion. Yeah I'm fun at parties too.

To be fair, that sounds like an intolerance to milk/lactose, which is a pretty good excuse for cutting milk out your life.

Probably not worth pointing at now, but have you considered trying milk substitutes. Oat milk is pretty good - I keep some at home cause I like both it and regular milk.

Yeah I don't miss milk and cheese doesn't bother me. I don't drink high calorie drinks, just water or carbonated water most of the time.

If you're on a low-fat diet ordered by a doctor for some sort of health reason, or maybe if you simply prefer the taste of skim? I can't imagine anyone preferring it, but people do enjoy some strange things so maybe.

That would be a valid reason, but that wouldn't explain the massive volume it sells at.

Seems from the comments here that some people do actually prefer skim, can't fathom why, but they do

My mum does, it’s all she’s had my whole life. She would buy us full cream and her skim. She is skinny and ripped af for her age. I drink soy and oat now and she brings her own milk to mine when she visits lmao

They are always out of Oat Milk because it's the G.O.A.T. Milk.

I once had a roommate from India who saw "got milk?" on a carton, and thought it was goat milk.

That's actually pretty confusing if you haven't seen the commercials.

Nothing really compares to real milk though.

Eh, I outgrew human milk at a pretty young age actually.

Have you tried it since?

They won't sell it to me when I asked :(

I do like the packaging though.

How come you're saying "real milk" when you mean "breast milk"?

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I only see two options: almond milk and breast milk

Leave the Activision-Blizzard break room and go to a store. Might have better luck

Oh no....in there they have nut milk but not almond... It's another kind of nut.

Rice milk not an option?
Literally a waste of time.

I just want milk that tastes like real milk.

Soy milk is the only non-dairy milk I've tried that comes close. It's not 1:1 but it's good enough to be used with cereal and not be super weird at least. And the vanilla flavored one isn't bad as just a drink.

This is interesting to me. I attracted a number of downvotes too when I said I like soy milk. Maybe this is one of those things like pineapple on pizza that's very polarizing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's not even like I go out of my way for it. It was available. I tried it. I found it pretty good. I still get whole milk for myself, but if I had to take a non-dairy option, it would be soy.

Soy has always been my favorite. I mostly drink plant milks on cereal, and I feel like it works better flavor-wise and has the creamiest texture, but ultimately different people have different tastes.

I've never tried a variety that tasted bad at all -- oat, flax, cashew, rice, hemp, whatever -- they all taste good to me.

There are a strange group of people who look down on others for eating soy because they think it contains enough estrogen to make you trans or something.

Oh yeah. I didn't think there'd be many of them here though, but I never really understood that in the first place!

There are a number of federated instances that have no join requirements. People can just join them without an admin approval. So they join and lurk for a few weeks downvoting things they don’t like and then they go on a spam spree posting racist or violent content, before swiftly being banned.

If they're getting oat milk they probably don't want any of those, except maybe almond. There's soy milk which tastes like shit, hell, there's even hemp milk

Personally I order oat milk but I only do so because I prefer it and I think it's better for the environment; I will gladly take regular milk if it's not available.

Almond milk tastes good too... Soy milk (when unflavored) I don't like much at all. I'll take any in Vanilla or Chocolate flavours tho.

I only drink Cow milk of all the options bc it's cheapest per Litre.

It's almond juice. There's only one kind of milk, and that's moo cow fuck milk.

Edit: for the zoomers that missed the reference

There's also literally every other mammal with the possible exception of platypi. Nobody knows what the fuck is up with those freaks and anyone who claims otherwise is a liar, high or a high liar.

They have milk. They just sweat it instead. I learned about it in a documentary about what two kids are doing during their 104 days of summer vacation.

Cow titty juice. You can call anything anything. If enough people say it then it's correct. It's like how the word 'literally' gained an extra definition of 'not literally'. Unless you are speaking France French, then the government decides or something.

Gatekeeping milk. Okay, if you think that's worth the effort

He's just making a lewis black standup comedy reference

Clearly humor is dead on Lemmy

Nah, the joke just comes off as gatekeeping in this context

Gatekeeping... Milk?

Please go outside. That's one of the stupidest things I've heard in years to be overly sensitive about.