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Aww man
They are just getting you ready for Time 2.
Its faster and greener, with advertisements tailored to your interests!
Trying to get Windows 11 to show seconds.
Click the clock on the taskbar, which has worked as far as I remember, maybe even before Windows 95. Notifications and calendar pop up but no seconds.
Search βsecondsβ in settings. Apparently you can only have them shown on the taskbar permanently (with implied distraction and CPU usage).
Look in time settings. No seconds, either.
Open the Clock app. The update takes a minute. No seconds there, either.
Search the internet. Apparently this is a function Microsoft disabled in Windows 11 but can be restored with Explorer Patcher, along with the option to set taskbar transparency via Classic Shell (so that you can watch the status in another window while others are maximized).
Don't have time for that, install Linux instead
(Iβm not even kodding. The only place where a vanilla Windows 11 installation will show seconds in GUI is a very obscure page deep in the unintuitive jungle of settings. Interesting that a $3 watch does something a Windows computer with a million times more transistors doesn't.)
I also like Linux btw
People love novelties.
Is Linux a novelty?
3% desktop marketshare says yes.
Welcome to Clock 2.0, the new time and reminder experience from Microsoft! Powered by Bing AI and Microsoft OneDrive.
Sync your time zones, alarms, and reminders to all your devices via Microsoft OneDrive
Get suggested wake-up times powered by Bing AI and your calendar!
Use of Clock is governed by the Microsoft Cloud Connected Experiences Privacy Policy (click here to view).
Click I Agree to start your use of Microsoft Clock!
and for all this, your alarm reminders become yet another datapoint for personalized ads, your phone alarm to wake you up then plays at full blast through the living room computer and wakes everybody else up, and you agreed to a 750kb privacy policy that displays in a 2"x3" window with 500 pages to scroll through.
Note: A connection to Microsoft OneDrive is required.
Timers will not trigger without an Internet connection.
through the living room computer and wakes everybody else up
Are you not switching your computer off at night?
Finally! Time v1 hasn't had an update in 4.54 billion years.
Do we lose another eleven days during the switchover?
You guys are just very annoying. We all know linux exists but I kinda like being able to play all games I want without needing to check if my OS can handle it lmao
Linux can handle pretty much everything on Windows. Very few games canβt be run through Proton or similar.
While the ProtonDB website exists, I've never had to check it, every game I purchased through Steam or GoG (Bottles) just ran. /shrug
That's an old trope you're wielding around like a club.
Also, as far as the annoying part, it's not about a competition and we want to win, it's that we're trying to pull you out of the water and into the lifeboat, but you keep insisting on drowning in the ocean.
Any app that chooses to update or ask you a bunch of questions when you just want to use it CAN GET FUCKED. Open a loyalty app: would you like to rate our app? No. Would you like to see nearby deals? NO. Notifications for nearby deals would be useful.. NOOO! Earn double points tomorrow... MOther F*)(&^*&(%!!1
Exactly, the app should install updates in the background and apply them after the app is closed.
I'd even settle for an unobtrusive modal asking what to do like a "yes | no | never | settings" kind of deal
I like the way AppImages work on my Kubuntu system:
They automatically update themselves in the background and then trigger a system notification letting you know the app will be updated the next time you close it, with a button to initiate it now.
Every time I open filezilla and notepad++ I'm in for an update. Fucking annoying.
So you're getting rid of Steam, right?
It's a smart clock
The smarter the tech, the dumber the privacy agreement
I would like to move into a paradigm of no software updates for things software updates are not appropriate for.
You've seen clock. How about CLOCK 2.0, with customizable options like crypto AI blockchain?
And we made it better by removing several features, but we made the font really big and thin, and added a bunch of whitespace around everything so it takes up a ton of room. That makes it modern and "accessible," see?
hate how the touchscreen paradigm of windoes 8 never left
CLOCK 2.0, coming soon, free with ads!
Well, either roll such updates out centrally, which Windows is capable of, I don't know why they don't use it here.
Or make it an entirely optional download, where the user can decide when to download.
Or just make the update process less shit. Don't block usage until the update is applied. And ideally just swap out the files in the background, although unfortunately that really isn't easily doable on Windows.
roll such updates out
This seems counter to the goal of not having updates
Yes, I was listing ways this could be solved without throwing out the baby with the bath water. For one, to point out that they really did actively choose the worst option.
But also, because as a professional software developer, I'm sympathetic to needing to roll out updates, even if they're not security-relevant, since you can't perfect your code before shipping.
Having said that, I do think, the professional/commercial software development model is terrible for such basic utility applications. Use an open-source application instead, where the hobbyist dev does have the time and passion to perfect the code before shipping it.
I just want owning a piece of software to be like owning a physical object again. It has its own look, it's own behaviors and quirks, and you choose it for those and come to rely on it for what it is and what it does. That this can all be pulled out from under you at any time without your say-so runs counter to user agency.
Also, as a developer I'm just lazy and want to be able to publish projects and then not have to keep updating them for 20 years.
And updates at non-intrusive times for the rest. I've been late for so many meetings when Zoom insists on doing some painfully slow update. (I know I could open it 5 minutes earlier but it's still a bad user experience.)
Duh, obviously you need to create a windows account to use the clock app π
shit drives me bonkers. I tried to get the Dolby Atmos plugin. Has to be done on the store, which HAS to be signed into windows. No i dont want any of that. let me buy it from your site and redeem a code or something. I dont want to sign into the store. at all.
I just went with the alternative. Installing the logitech control software, restricting its internet access but using its dolby DTS features.
Is that a paid app?
Because as dumb as the Windows Store is, you can still download and install anything provided it's a free app without a Microsoft account still. I just tried it and it still works, although I didn't try an exhaustive list of apps. If it gives you a pop up nagging about a Microsoft account, just cancel out of the log in pop up and the app will still download and install.
It is. You are allowed to download it as it has a trial. But when itβs time to pay the only way is through a logged in account on the Microsoft store.
little things like this that would have only gotten updates for one version of windows to another, for ui changes or sumsuch, now get updates frequently, and since they're 'store' updates now, you have even less control over them. it's rather annoying.
little things like this that would have only gotten updates for one version of windows to another, for ui changes or sumsuch, now get updates frequently, and since theyβre βstoreβ updates now, you have even less control over them. itβs rather annoying.
This is actually not a Windows but a general modern development issue. Things need to change. Change! CHAAAAANGE! Value! Effort! Work! Endlessly! GROWTH!
Look at how many apps update every 1-3 days. It's crazy.
I was hoping once Moore's law crapped out companies would switch their focus from "CHANGE! FEATURES! MOAR CHANGR11!1" to performance and stability. What a fool I was.
This has driven me nuts about computers for 30 years at least. More things used to be built for a couple lifetimes. I guess capitalism (or maybe stock investments) pushed ever increasing consumption. And so we get this need for everything changing all the time.
Out in my garage I have a set of wood planes that are basically the same design for the last 120 years. My oldest is, I think, 1940s. Stanley is still selling these without any changes because they're not needed. My newest plane I got in 2022. They don't need new features. They work.
Software could be like this. Focus on stability first, then performance, then truly helpful, necessary features third. The latter are a lot rarer when you stop changing for the sake of changing.
one mans "rather annoying" is another mans "fucking infuriating"... i'm the other man
Come to linux, we have the ability to update every 10 seconds or never, entirely your choice.
Already am on Linux for the past 5 years ;-)
But my work PC is windows shit, soooo
At least issues with the "work PC" are generally paid.
I hate dealing with Windows issues in my time for free.
i got my dad to let me install Linux on his PC aswell. I told him that i will not come over to fix his windows install ever again but i would be happy to teach him how to use linux. He is very happy on Linux Mint for the last 2 years now aswell
For some reason windows will update their own app from their own app store, and then immediately apply another update when you open the app.
Their whole system is so hacked together.
Just yesterday it requested me to verify my account (with a full UAC dialog) before opening the clock app.
I guess it was trying to sync (?) the custom alarms/timers (??) between my devices (???) but... WTF, Microsoft.
For your food windows?
I misread that, too. With punctuation, it would be:
...for my food. Windows, why?!
(They're addressing the Windows operating system.)
That's not misreading, that's miswriting!
Windows: Feed me!
with your data
Order corn
I get updating the clock app, what I don't get is why update it like this and why would it take so long that the user felt the need to complain?
Also we are getting the update ready for you? So they're stopping the user use the clock app while they download and prepare the update? Has updating the app even started yet?
downloadUpdate();
sleep(10000); // 10 seconds should be enough time for the buffer cache to finish writing to disk even on the slowest system.
Has the update process crashed completely?Or will I have to wait all this time again if I restart the process? With windows you eventually get used to not knowing these things.
I think windows has a feature where it gets the update for other neighbors with windows. this might be why the extra lag.
oooorrr...
as EA says, "to give the user a sense of accomplishment" ~
Ah yes, "My computer finally updated! I should feel grateful and lucky! I am blessed by the gods and I should reward myself with some dopamine!"
Microsoft is so successful that they turned windows into a meme.
Ah yes I need to update my lock so I can get the latest ads and spyware.
Image Transcription: Windows Software Dialog Box
Clock
Clock needs an update. We are getting the update ready for you...
A stopwatch icon is shown.
And once again the community proves that it needs renamed to c/MicrosoftSucks because that's the only type of content you'll find here.
The early pioneers of Lemmy are mostly software developers. Software memes will remain overrepresented until more diverse waves of people join.
Which is why they won't join, they see it as being only a place for vegan Linux bros. It's a self destructive cycle that you can only end with better moderation.
Then become a moderator!
Great advice! Up there with telling homeless people to "Just buy a house."
I just opened the latest messages in there :
broken university form
some broken captcha
a split kitchen sink
windows 10 bugging people about accounts
this post
a pyramid scheme about books idk
something about devices with bad batteries
road stuff
restaurant bill
paypal
linux stuff
adobe
youtube
youtube
a karen in central park
microsoft teams
instagram
cars
shrinkflation at IKEA
mobile roaming prices
That's⦠two posts about Microsoft. Clearly the only type of content you'll find here.
+1 gold
Oooops, forgot I wasn't on reddit...
That's⦠two posts
Three, actually. While I agree with you, it is still arguably the number one company that annoys people on that list ΚβΏΚ
You forgot about reposted pictures of restaurant receipts.
The most annoying thing with these updates is the way they don't give you any kind of indication of what's happening on your system during an update.
Have had cases where an application was 'updating' and looking in task manager/networking tab I can see no network traffic and no disk usage, seemingly hung up for 15 minutes or longer.
Literally just useing the sleep function and pinging random domains
Windows
there's your problem
I got you OP. Pull up YouTube. The microwave time for 12 pizza rolls is exactly the length of the song "Scraping the Bottom of the Barrel" by Frank Hudson.
The Hudson Hawk school of timers.
Finally, clock 2
It seems you opened clock for the first time, that's why it's updating
Whenever my dad's tablet gets an OS update it takes about five minutes to "optimize your apps". I don't know if it's effective because the tablet is slow as hell despite being pretty new.
Yeah that's the case for all Android devices. That's because Android apps are delivered in a platform-independent way (.apk files) and to make apps faster, some code that would normally be run in a VM is compiled to native code to be faster. Updates may change the optimization process, that's why it's always done after one.
Also fuck most Android tablets being slow as hell.
If it is a Samsung, boot into recovery mode and clear cache then optimize apps every time after a system update. It's annoying but it helps with performance and battery life (my experience is with Samsung, could be an android thing)
At some point we need to develop the steps to help people out of these abusive relationships.
Windows usually does this the first time you open a pre-installed app in an installation.
JUST USE LINUX
Got an error while compiling the clock.
They need to add a 3 back to the clock. That 3 bug is a big problem.
New calendar system incoming lol
What's wrong with a old fashioned physical timer?
I get distracted and twist them with too much force, and then they're just broken :(
Username checks out.
rofl you got me
Can get cheap electric timers
Haha like a weekly subscription?
For a timer?
For multiple timers
I'd rather just own multiple timers
My digital timers have a ton of labeled times I've set for various things. One press and I'm set, and I can have multiple going at once and know at a glance which one is done or nearly so. My memory isn't good enough to keep track of how long things take, and I lose physical notes. Having those notes all saved within a clock app attached to their own timers is far too convenient for me to do away with
I have completely forgot about that use for them
they're probably patching a security flaw, because we live in the future now and it is perfectly normal for a simple clock to have backdoors that can read your bank accounts
"My dishwasher is on the internet!" - "Why is on the internet?" - "To download software updates!" - "Why does it need software updates?" - "To fix security vulnerabilities!" - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?" -"Because it's on the internet!"
Megaman Battle Network was prophetic. You're just living daily life and then a terrorist kills your child by hacking the AC.
The companies BUILD IN backdoors so that they can steal your data.
But because the backdoor is built in, they have to constantly monitor and update the security around it so that "bad guys" (they don't think they are the bad guys) don't get in.
They only do security updates to prevent liability iirc.
The whole thing stinks.
Note: I'm not a software developer just an outraged bystander with tech hobbies and techy friends, it's possible this isn't true.
Itβs difficult to monetise data if you source it illegally (except in China maybe). Nobody reads the ToS anyway so itβs not like you need a backdoor.
No need for backdoors when the front door is perfectly legal. The need to monitor for bad actors is still correct, though; mostly because they skimp on development costs and penetration testing. Like they say, "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." Or in this case, slashing budgets.
What would the "front door" even be in this case? What comes to my mind is the corresponding app on your phone, but that doesn't really make sense in this context.
In this case, the "front door" would just be not hiding it. Normal, un-hidden APIs. A back door is usually something that the developer includes without informing the user, but they don't need to be surreptitious; there's no legal reason to pretend that they're not collecting the data, and unless you've built your brand on privacy and security, there's no business reason to do so either in the current cultural climate.
And given that the appliance needs to communicate with the app on your phone while you're not home in the first place, there probably isn't even a separate tracking API vs. data just being harvested as part of normal operations. So "back door" doesn't really fit. "Broken by design" or "spyware" would be more apt, I think.
Still, I'm really not a fan of calling any spying/data harvesting a "front door" -- IIRC, the term was coined by an FBI head pushing for back doors in our phones so the FBI could scan our messages. But he called it a "front door" as a way to dodge the reasons why building back doors in our security software is a terrible idea.
It's just another step in the terrible trend of "let's pretend that this horrible idea is ok if we just rename it" :(
Legit, why do simple apps like timers need updates? Makes me wonder what kind of bloat features (or spyware??) they're adding.
I'll recommend you install a third party application prehaps someone has made a decent Foss alternative to the windows clock app
That's likely the case, but the clock application is very much something I would not only expect to come with the operating system, but would consider it a solved problem in the first place. I should not need to look for a FOSS clock. It should be standard feature everywhere, and just work. I could have whipped out a passible clock app second year of university.
Yeah but system updates can break any app and would require an update
I feel like thereβs been a growing number of βshit windows doesβ posts on lemmy recently. It makes me glad I dropped that OS long ago.
times have changed
Times have been updated.
Chronology is progressing
Almost made me tear up a bit
Godamnit Einstein, not again.
That update is going to take some time.
Man....fuck you....take your upvote and gtfo
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Aww man
They are just getting you ready for Time 2.
Its faster and greener, with advertisements tailored to your interests!
Trying to get Windows 11 to show seconds.
Click the clock on the taskbar, which has worked as far as I remember, maybe even before Windows 95. Notifications and calendar pop up but no seconds.
Search βsecondsβ in settings. Apparently you can only have them shown on the taskbar permanently (with implied distraction and CPU usage).
Look in time settings. No seconds, either.
Open the Clock app. The update takes a minute. No seconds there, either.
Search the internet. Apparently this is a function Microsoft disabled in Windows 11 but can be restored with Explorer Patcher, along with the option to set taskbar transparency via Classic Shell (so that you can watch the status in another window while others are maximized).
Don't have time for that, install Linux instead
(Iβm not even kodding. The only place where a vanilla Windows 11 installation will show seconds in GUI is a very obscure page deep in the unintuitive jungle of settings. Interesting that a $3 watch does something a Windows computer with a million times more transistors doesn't.)
I also like Linux btw
People love novelties.
Is Linux a novelty?
3% desktop marketshare says yes.
Welcome to Clock 2.0, the new time and reminder experience from Microsoft! Powered by Bing AI and Microsoft OneDrive.
and for all this, your alarm reminders become yet another datapoint for personalized ads, your phone alarm to wake you up then plays at full blast through the living room computer and wakes everybody else up, and you agreed to a 750kb privacy policy that displays in a 2"x3" window with 500 pages to scroll through.
Note: A connection to Microsoft OneDrive is required.
Timers will not trigger without an Internet connection.
Are you not switching your computer off at night?
Finally! Time v1 hasn't had an update in 4.54 billion years.
Do we lose another eleven days during the switchover?
Which we can tell on theclock 2
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
clock 2
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Incoming the switch to Linux tribe...
Sir, do you have a minute to talk about our lord and savior Linux?
No, no Its GNU/Linux Lol
That's a very conservative take
I'd just like to interject for a moment.
You haven't really lived until you've played UT2K4 on Hannah Montana linux.
π§π§π§π§
Windows users get so pissy when you tell them they're doing it wrong.
You should see Linux users when you tell them that the problems they have with Windows haven't been a thing since XP
How's that OS spying on you and showing you ads thing going? Is that not a problem anymore?
The ads you only see with a fresh install, which you can click away in less than a minute and never encounter them again in your life?
The ads you can completely circumvent by installing the N version of the Windows OS of your choice?
No, those are no problems what so ever.
Love how you had to list all the exceptions and workarounds first in your reply, and then state there's no problems.
Denial is a powerful drug.
I mean, if you want to continue having to deal with things like this, then more power to you.
You guys are just very annoying. We all know linux exists but I kinda like being able to play all games I want without needing to check if my OS can handle it lmao
Linux can handle pretty much everything on Windows. Very few games canβt be run through Proton or similar.
While the ProtonDB website exists, I've never had to check it, every game I purchased through Steam or GoG (Bottles) just ran. /shrug
That's an old trope you're wielding around like a club.
Also, as far as the annoying part, it's not about a competition and we want to win, it's that we're trying to pull you out of the water and into the lifeboat, but you keep insisting on drowning in the ocean.
Any app that chooses to update or ask you a bunch of questions when you just want to use it CAN GET FUCKED. Open a loyalty app: would you like to rate our app? No. Would you like to see nearby deals? NO. Notifications for nearby deals would be useful.. NOOO! Earn double points tomorrow... MOther F*)(&^*&(%!!1
Exactly, the app should install updates in the background and apply them after the app is closed.
I'd even settle for an unobtrusive modal asking what to do like a "yes | no | never | settings" kind of deal
I like the way AppImages work on my Kubuntu system:
They automatically update themselves in the background and then trigger a system notification letting you know the app will be updated the next time you close it, with a button to initiate it now.
Every time I open filezilla and notepad++ I'm in for an update. Fucking annoying.
So you're getting rid of Steam, right?
It's a
smartclockThe smarter the tech, the dumber the privacy agreement
I would like to move into a paradigm of no software updates for things software updates are not appropriate for.
You've seen clock. How about CLOCK 2.0, with customizable options like crypto AI blockchain?
And we made it better by removing several features, but we made the font really big and thin, and added a bunch of whitespace around everything so it takes up a ton of room. That makes it modern and "accessible," see?
hate how the touchscreen paradigm of windoes 8 never left
CLOCK 2.0, coming soon, free with ads!
Well, either roll such updates out centrally, which Windows is capable of, I don't know why they don't use it here.
Or make it an entirely optional download, where the user can decide when to download.
Or just make the update process less shit. Don't block usage until the update is applied. And ideally just swap out the files in the background, although unfortunately that really isn't easily doable on Windows.
This seems counter to the goal of not having updates
Yes, I was listing ways this could be solved without throwing out the baby with the bath water. For one, to point out that they really did actively choose the worst option.
But also, because as a professional software developer, I'm sympathetic to needing to roll out updates, even if they're not security-relevant, since you can't perfect your code before shipping.
Having said that, I do think, the professional/commercial software development model is terrible for such basic utility applications. Use an open-source application instead, where the hobbyist dev does have the time and passion to perfect the code before shipping it.
I just want owning a piece of software to be like owning a physical object again. It has its own look, it's own behaviors and quirks, and you choose it for those and come to rely on it for what it is and what it does. That this can all be pulled out from under you at any time without your say-so runs counter to user agency.
Also, as a developer I'm just lazy and want to be able to publish projects and then not have to keep updating them for 20 years.
And updates at non-intrusive times for the rest. I've been late for so many meetings when Zoom insists on doing some painfully slow update. (I know I could open it 5 minutes earlier but it's still a bad user experience.)
Duh, obviously you need to create a windows account to use the clock app π
shit drives me bonkers. I tried to get the Dolby Atmos plugin. Has to be done on the store, which HAS to be signed into windows. No i dont want any of that. let me buy it from your site and redeem a code or something. I dont want to sign into the store. at all.
I just went with the alternative. Installing the logitech control software, restricting its internet access but using its dolby DTS features.
Is that a paid app?
Because as dumb as the Windows Store is, you can still download and install anything provided it's a free app without a Microsoft account still. I just tried it and it still works, although I didn't try an exhaustive list of apps. If it gives you a pop up nagging about a Microsoft account, just cancel out of the log in pop up and the app will still download and install.
It is. You are allowed to download it as it has a trial. But when itβs time to pay the only way is through a logged in account on the Microsoft store.
little things like this that would have only gotten updates for one version of windows to another, for ui changes or sumsuch, now get updates frequently, and since they're 'store' updates now, you have even less control over them. it's rather annoying.
This is actually not a Windows but a general modern development issue. Things need to change. Change! CHAAAAANGE! Value! Effort! Work! Endlessly! GROWTH!
Look at how many apps update every 1-3 days. It's crazy.
I was hoping once Moore's law crapped out companies would switch their focus from "CHANGE! FEATURES! MOAR CHANGR11!1" to performance and stability. What a fool I was.
This has driven me nuts about computers for 30 years at least. More things used to be built for a couple lifetimes. I guess capitalism (or maybe stock investments) pushed ever increasing consumption. And so we get this need for everything changing all the time.
Out in my garage I have a set of wood planes that are basically the same design for the last 120 years. My oldest is, I think, 1940s. Stanley is still selling these without any changes because they're not needed. My newest plane I got in 2022. They don't need new features. They work.
Software could be like this. Focus on stability first, then performance, then truly helpful, necessary features third. The latter are a lot rarer when you stop changing for the sake of changing.
one mans "rather annoying" is another mans "fucking infuriating"... i'm the other man
Come to linux, we have the ability to update every 10 seconds or never, entirely your choice.
Already am on Linux for the past 5 years ;-)
But my work PC is windows shit, soooo
At least issues with the "work PC" are generally paid.
I hate dealing with Windows issues in my time for free.
i got my dad to let me install Linux on his PC aswell. I told him that i will not come over to fix his windows install ever again but i would be happy to teach him how to use linux. He is very happy on Linux Mint for the last 2 years now aswell
For some reason windows will update their own app from their own app store, and then immediately apply another update when you open the app.
Their whole system is so hacked together.
Just yesterday it requested me to verify my account (with a full UAC dialog) before opening the clock app. I guess it was trying to sync (?) the custom alarms/timers (??) between my devices (???) but... WTF, Microsoft.
For your food windows?
I misread that, too. With punctuation, it would be:
(They're addressing the Windows operating system.)
That's not misreading, that's miswriting!
Windows: Feed me!
with your dataOrder corn
I get updating the clock app, what I don't get is why update it like this and why would it take so long that the user felt the need to complain? Also we are getting the update ready for you? So they're stopping the user use the clock app while they download and prepare the update? Has updating the app even started yet?
Has the update process crashed completely?Or will I have to wait all this time again if I restart the process? With windows you eventually get used to not knowing these things.
I think windows has a feature where it gets the update for other neighbors with windows. this might be why the extra lag.
oooorrr... as EA says, "to give the user a sense of accomplishment" ~
Ah yes, "My computer finally updated! I should feel grateful and lucky! I am blessed by the gods and I should reward myself with some dopamine!"
What are "food windows"?
Operating system
I use food linux, btw
Im a bean linux power user
I use arch beantheway!
Biteware
Examples of bad grammar.
Microsoft is so successful that they turned windows into a meme.
Ah yes I need to update my lock so I can get the latest ads and spyware.
Image Transcription: Windows Software Dialog Box
Clock
Clock needs an update. We are getting the update ready for you...
A stopwatch icon is shown.
And once again the community proves that it needs renamed to c/MicrosoftSucks because that's the only type of content you'll find here.
The early pioneers of Lemmy are mostly software developers. Software memes will remain overrepresented until more diverse waves of people join.
Which is why they won't join, they see it as being only a place for vegan Linux bros. It's a self destructive cycle that you can only end with better moderation.
Then become a moderator!
Great advice! Up there with telling homeless people to "Just buy a house."
I just opened the latest messages in there :
That's⦠two posts about Microsoft. Clearly the only type of content you'll find here.
+1 gold
Oooops, forgot I wasn't on reddit...
Three, actually. While I agree with you, it is still arguably the number one company that annoys people on that list ΚβΏΚ
You forgot about reposted pictures of restaurant receipts.
The most annoying thing with these updates is the way they don't give you any kind of indication of what's happening on your system during an update.
Have had cases where an application was 'updating' and looking in task manager/networking tab I can see no network traffic and no disk usage, seemingly hung up for 15 minutes or longer.
Literally just useing the sleep function and pinging random domains
there's your problem
I got you OP. Pull up YouTube. The microwave time for 12 pizza rolls is exactly the length of the song "Scraping the Bottom of the Barrel" by Frank Hudson.
The Hudson Hawk school of timers.
Finally, clock 2
It seems you opened clock for the first time, that's why it's updating
It's an msix application. (98% certain) For some reason Microsoft set it to upgrade from any Version and prompt or rather forcefully updated to latest version on launch. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/msix/app-installer/update-settings
Whenever my dad's tablet gets an OS update it takes about five minutes to "optimize your apps". I don't know if it's effective because the tablet is slow as hell despite being pretty new.
Yeah that's the case for all Android devices. That's because Android apps are delivered in a platform-independent way (.apk files) and to make apps faster, some code that would normally be run in a VM is compiled to native code to be faster. Updates may change the optimization process, that's why it's always done after one.
Also fuck most Android tablets being slow as hell.
If it is a Samsung, boot into recovery mode and clear cache then optimize apps every time after a system update. It's annoying but it helps with performance and battery life (my experience is with Samsung, could be an android thing)
At some point we need to develop the steps to help people out of these abusive relationships.
Windows usually does this the first time you open a pre-installed app in an installation.
JUST USE LINUX
Got an error while compiling the clock.
They need to add a 3 back to the clock. That 3 bug is a big problem.
New calendar system incoming lol
What's wrong with a old fashioned physical timer?
I get distracted and twist them with too much force, and then they're just broken :(
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rofl you got me
Can get cheap electric timers
Haha like a weekly subscription?
For a timer?
For multiple timers
I'd rather just own multiple timers
My digital timers have a ton of labeled times I've set for various things. One press and I'm set, and I can have multiple going at once and know at a glance which one is done or nearly so. My memory isn't good enough to keep track of how long things take, and I lose physical notes. Having those notes all saved within a clock app attached to their own timers is far too convenient for me to do away with
I have completely forgot about that use for them
they're probably patching a security flaw, because we live in the future now and it is perfectly normal for a simple clock to have backdoors that can read your bank accounts
"My dishwasher is on the internet!" - "Why is on the internet?" - "To download software updates!" - "Why does it need software updates?" - "To fix security vulnerabilities!" - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?" -"Because it's on the internet!"
Don't forget lightbulbs.
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Megaman Battle Network was prophetic. You're just living daily life and then a terrorist kills your child by hacking the AC.
The companies BUILD IN backdoors so that they can steal your data.
But because the backdoor is built in, they have to constantly monitor and update the security around it so that "bad guys" (they don't think they are the bad guys) don't get in.
They only do security updates to prevent liability iirc.
The whole thing stinks.
Note: I'm not a software developer just an outraged bystander with tech hobbies and techy friends, it's possible this isn't true.
Itβs difficult to monetise data if you source it illegally (except in China maybe). Nobody reads the ToS anyway so itβs not like you need a backdoor.
No need for backdoors when the front door is perfectly legal. The need to monitor for bad actors is still correct, though; mostly because they skimp on development costs and penetration testing. Like they say, "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence." Or in this case, slashing budgets.
What would the "front door" even be in this case? What comes to my mind is the corresponding app on your phone, but that doesn't really make sense in this context.
In this case, the "front door" would just be not hiding it. Normal, un-hidden APIs. A back door is usually something that the developer includes without informing the user, but they don't need to be surreptitious; there's no legal reason to pretend that they're not collecting the data, and unless you've built your brand on privacy and security, there's no business reason to do so either in the current cultural climate.
And given that the appliance needs to communicate with the app on your phone while you're not home in the first place, there probably isn't even a separate tracking API vs. data just being harvested as part of normal operations. So "back door" doesn't really fit. "Broken by design" or "spyware" would be more apt, I think.
Still, I'm really not a fan of calling any spying/data harvesting a "front door" -- IIRC, the term was coined by an FBI head pushing for back doors in our phones so the FBI could scan our messages. But he called it a "front door" as a way to dodge the reasons why building back doors in our security software is a terrible idea.
It's just another step in the terrible trend of "let's pretend that this horrible idea is ok if we just rename it" :(
Legit, why do simple apps like timers need updates? Makes me wonder what kind of bloat features (or spyware??) they're adding.
I'll recommend you install a third party application prehaps someone has made a decent Foss alternative to the windows clock app
That's likely the case, but the clock application is very much something I would not only expect to come with the operating system, but would consider it a solved problem in the first place. I should not need to look for a FOSS clock. It should be standard feature everywhere, and just work. I could have whipped out a passible clock app second year of university.
Yeah but system updates can break any app and would require an update
I feel like thereβs been a growing number of βshit windows doesβ posts on lemmy recently. It makes me glad I dropped that OS long ago.
BloatyNosy, thank me later