It is hard to believe this moron has a chance of being president again. We are a doomed country.
Don’t let the media and talking heads convince you of anything.
There are a great majority of people who want nothing to do with Trump, his Russian bootlicking or any of his other xenophobic hate.
Just vote.
But the system is rigged so that a relatively small minority of morons can fuck shit up for everybody else. So yeah, guys, vote like your life depends on it because it literally does.
And those of us who are voting and get elected will, and have been, continue to stop vote rigging, jerrymandering, and voter intimidation.
Voting doesn’t end at the end of the presidential election. It involves your local elections too. Especially anything to do with your local educational system.
It's not a relatively small minority. Trump has lost the popular vote every time he's run, but not by huge margins. There are a lot of people that legitimately want Trump as a president, and many more that view him as the lesser of two evils. Don't underestimate that and definitely don't let down your guard.
Only about 30% of people vote in the US and half of that is 15%. So, pretty small.
Exactly, and even if it might seem like your single vote doesn't matter, you would be surprised. trump won in 2016 because disinformation on social media convinced people that their vote won't change anything and Hillary will win anyway.
Also vote at least every 2 years, it isn't just the president that matters, the Congress is important too
Congress is more imortant than the president by the looks from an outsider.
How is the house reps elected in the USA?
By district, which is all the voters in a smaller geographic area. House Reps are up for re election every 2 years. The intent of the House is to give more representatives to states with higher populations, so for example New York has 26 representatives while Kansas only has 4.
However, instead of purely representing population, the number of House reps has been capped at 435, which weighs heavily in favor of less populated (Republican) states. If that cap was removed, Democrats would have a permanent lock on the House.
Thanks!
He's the Republican nominee. What do you mean by letting "the media and talking heads convince you of anything?" Based on the previous two presidential elections, he's got a 50/50 shot which says a lot about his opponent.
If polling aggregate predictions means anything, then he actually has a higher chance of winning than losing.
In what world does the number of candidates have anything to do with hundred of millions of peoples independent votes.
This is just bad stats
The world where out of the 400 RNC candidates filed through the FEC, Trump was the one that people have been voting for in the primaries by a landslide.
There were 161 Million total registered voters in 2022, and 335 Million total USA Population, so even if tens of millions of people, a comparatively small fraction, vote for Donald Trump then he can very easily win this election.
In this world. He already won one election and came very close to winning the second back in 2020. Combine that with yet another weak-ass Dem candidate being the only other option and you have a recipe where it's entirely possible for him to win again.
You’re comparing apples to oranges here. The circumstances have changed since 2020 and to ignore 4 years of hearings, charges, additional threats (much less vague now) and libertarian distain for trump is significantly different from what it was when he ran in 2016, and when he had that momentum in 2020 (Covid year, don’t forget)
Donald Trump is going to bite the curb this election and I’ll bet you a bunch of people still vote for RFK.
And now he’s been charged with 30+ felonies.
#LockHimUp
Yeah this sounds a lot like pollsters claiming that Clinton had a 99% chance of winning in 2016.
Biden seems to be going out of his way to alienate progressive voters and conservative voters will never vote for him. The 'fence sitters' who don't pay attention to politics will simply see inflation and high prices and blame whomever is currently holding office due to all the conditioning and rhetoric they hear regarding it.
Any election should see a guy like Trump defeated in a landslide, but that's not the reality we live in and the guy running against him is doing such a poor job that Trump might actually win again.
I agree with your final paragraph. He isn’t a perfect candidate.
But I don’t think there will ever be a perfect candidate and when they’re running against a literal fascist dictator, I know who I will vote for. I’ve said this before but a primarily 2-party system is dangerously naïve. Simplifying the insanely complex reality that is the US into 2 options is stupid. Not to mention how much it alienates minorities (of all types not just race, religion, sex)
How are we to represent down to the minority level via a popular-vote. It doesn’t make sense to me.
It was hard to believe the last time…
I don't know.
I'm perplexed honestly.
I live in italy and here too government took a steep turn to the right since last elections.
It is like the most roborantly bamboozling idiocy someone from a stage can scream the more he gets applauded as the folks' hero for speaking their unsung voices.
On the other hand if you try to build an organic and critical dialogue you only get yawned away as utterly boring.
I don't think it is the ones screaming from their stages being the morons, well not the most moron at least, but instead they are those who give their precious votes, hard conquered from their ancestors who gift them with a life in a democracy, to these unambiguously unmistakable frauds, and who hide in the self-obliviousness of the guilty conscience for the vote they have cast their incapability of admitting their own deep existential self-inadequacy.
Lots of people are incredibly stupid. Many of those stupid people are also selfish and mean. It will always be easy to appeal to those people by blaming all their problems on others. Until science figures out a way to force on the empathy parts of our brains, we'll go through these cycles of stupid people cheering on fascism.
If he wasn't running, republicans would put some other gullible fucking idiot in office.
Fuck trump and all but he literally did not say he would stop all electric car sales. He said he would stop all sales of Chinese brand cars manufactured in Mexico.
Source:
The speech linked by the NYT article that Gizmodo/jalopnik references
The “you’re not going to be able to sell those cars” line is about 32 minutes in.
Thank you.
That Gizmodo article is HORRIBLY written up and there never actually mention the quote outside of the blurb beneath the headline so the lack of context had me questioning them. Pretty shitty reporting.
Articles like this are exactly how fake news gets traction.
It's so damn annoying. I'm not sure how algorithms are supposed to suppress BS alarmist articles without being accused of bias either.
This is a great article to fact check the crapnout of, but because people like the "facts" it gets a pass.
Which is funny since Biden has the exact same position, which is why he expanded on Trump's trade war with China by upping tariffs on EVs to 100%. I highly doubt Biden would let China do the Mexico workaround either, if he can help it.
Did China even produce anything in Mexico, my understanding is that they want to produce everything internally.
They're trying to bring the European side of manufacturing to Hungary. We Hungarians are unhappy about it, because they get subsidized like hell.
What's with that?
I recently read an article that he is allowing to install China's face tracking cameras in Hungary. I first thought that he was installing it for his own benefit and just got the technology from China, but this actually will be used by China.
While I might grasp his unexplained love for putin, this looks like just selling your country to foreign autocracies.
Well, a lot of boomers think office work isn't real work, a deadweight on the economy, and will turn kids gay thus not making (great-)grandchildren due to not getting dirty and having an air conditioner. The previous system somehow reproduced the toxic Calvinist work morals of capitalist countries, and not only the politically illiterate calls this kind of behavior "communism", but there's a very big number of the pensioners, whose votes can be bought by promising more underpaid manual labor to their (grand)children.
The camera thing might be him getting more and more afraid. He's losing popularity, and even if he crushes popular movements (often by "doomerism"), there are more and more popping up. If the AI bubble burst (which will cause a financial recession) or some of his allies will fall, he can also fall too. He's a paranoid maniac that goes everywhere in a bullet vest. He just loves his fellow autocrats, especially as he can work together with them.
BYD and at least one or two others are/will be.
Aren't those already banned by Biden?
100% tariff on cars imported from China makes them unsellable. However there’s a free trade agreement with Mexico so GM and Ford can use the cheap labor.
Many people have pointed that out as a loophole and BYD has announced a factory on Mexico. If we wanted to block importing Chinese cars from Mexico, while still allowing GMs and Fords, we’d have to take additional action. This just means both candidates have vowed they would
As you said, this would require an additional action.
And to me it looks like it can't be done by EO and would have to be a legislation. And during trump very few legislations got passed even when they had a majority.
The restrictions on sale through Mexico can be implemented when it actually is a problem.
I found an article where they announced a factory in Mexico, but it first have to be built. The news also appears to be before the sanctions were announced. So if that factory was meant for US market this could change their plans, as adding 100% sanctions signals determination to plugin other loopholes.
They are just trying to one-up each other as always. Children in old-man bodies.
Please, free market capitalists: defend your hero.
Gotta imagine there’s a free speech absolutist who doesn’t love this
They're not a car company anyway, they're a "robotics and AI company". Apparently.
I don't think she is calling herself a free market capitalist.
Though I agree, she is being cheeky. This isn't a free market, it's the opposite of it. It is insider trading and she and no one in Congress should be allowed to do that.
Does Pelosi call herself a free market capitalist?
Did you read the article I linked?
No, because it says 'page unavailable' when I try.
Now please answer my question.
Not sure why you're being so pushy?
Anyway, here's the correct link. It should answer your question...
Asking you a question then asking you to answer it when you don't is hardly being pushy.
But the answer is that no, she doesn't call herself that, she just says that this is a free market. So I'm not sure why you couldn't just say so.
This is just naked corruption, making promises to the oil execs he's been trying to curry favor with, right? Because apart from that - the thing that might put more money in Trump's pocket - I can't fathom what the point would be.
To "own da libz."
He's pandering to the section of his base who all drive lifted coal rollin' diesel trucks who all know that "everyone knows" electric vehicle owners are all avocado toast eating homosexuals who vote Democrat.
It's a double win for him. Yes, he's courting automakers and the oil and gas industry, so this gets him that, but a giant percentage of his base is simply against anything that liberals are for. Think of those idiots rolling coal. They're literally making their cars as polluting as possible. What do they gain from it? The only thing it does, besides contributing to climate change, is upset liberals, and that's the goal. Every one of those people will support this.
I think you're overanalyzing things.
He's a liar and a con man and he's just telling his supporters what they want to hear. Tomorrow, he'll tell his other supporters that he's going to do the exact opposite because that's what they want to hear. There is no consistency or underlying ideal other than telling people what they want to hear so that he can get more support.
Oh can’t wait to see Elon’s response to that. 🍿
Elon will donate a few mil to his campaign, and Tesla will end up being the only company allowed to sell them.
This will eat 80% of Tesla profits, so he will probably ask Tesla to hurry up with the $56 billion he think he is owed.
Tesla stock would plummet even faster than they have recently.
Then he will try to convince Trump to use SpaceX for his Space Force, and have Trump implanted with a chip from Neuralink so he can remote control him. 😋 And then blame any problems on the Jews.
That tracks.
I can't wait for Trump to be the first RC Human.
Shit dude you can see the fucking strings as it is
No puppet! No puppet! You're the puppet!
and have Trump implanted with a chip from Neuralink so he can remote control him.
If there's one person that can make Trump even worse, it's Elon.
Well Elon and Trump supposedly talk several times a month, so it's probably Elon telling Trump to block non American EV sales here. But there's really no telling what they're talking about.
Trump just confused things (Hailey, Pelosi, Biden, Obama etc). What he means is that he will ban European cars built in Mexico, but allow Tesla produced in China.
I'm half serious, because that's much more consistent with his policies in 2017-2020
Working at the onion must be so. hard. right now
“Donald Trump will kill ‘at least seven prostitutes’ while in office.”
No… how about “Donald Trump sings the entire National Anthem on key.”
“Donald Trump finally unmasked as secret santa in Harlem children’s program.”
Wait… I think I unlocked a secret.
"Donald Trump goes home to family, enjoys quiet evening with loved ones"
“Donald Trump Spends Six Minutes in Silence Contemplating a Tree”
"Donald Trump says he Loves his Dear Son Eric and would move Heaven and Earth for Him"
Or is that going too far?
the thing about jokes and satire is that they're funniest when they have a nugget of truth to them.
I'm not even sure Eric is related to Donald.
That's a funny way to get the auto companies and unions in the three states Biden really needs to go all in on Biden.
I'm confused. Both of them seem to be trying to lose this election.
Brewster's Millions gets more and more realistic by the day.
Why? Better margins on gas cars, I think industrial Michigan would love this because it means they won't be squeezed into electric car manufacturing. I get told by big 3 engineers that if it wasn't for the subsidies they wouldn't be electrifying their fleets. The consumer may not like it, unions may not like it, but the companies could give a damn.
I get told by big 3 engineers that if it wasn’t for the subsidies they wouldn’t be electrifying their fleets.
Congress recently passed a tax bill, as proposed in President Bush's economic stimulus plan, that offers a $100,000 tax credit for business owners who purchase any vehicle weighing 6,000 pounds or more when fully loaded.
Because these rules didn't require a business to exist for a minimum length of time or post a profit, car dealerships would help buyers spin up small businesses on the spot in order to avail themselves of the credit. SUVs flooded the market and have been a load on the national car fleet ever since.
Now we're pivoting to electric vehicles in order to stay competitive globally, and (fossil fuel endorsed) business magazines have suddenly started poo-pooing the idea of vehicle subsidies as unnatural. Curious.
Yeah, that corporate tax credit is also why the Ford F-150 is the most commonly purchased vehicle by millionaires and billionaires. It’s the smallest vehicle able to be classified as a work truck, to qualify for tax credits. They can basically deduct the entire cost of the vehicle on their taxes, because they purchase it through a shell corporation (of which they’re the sole owner and operator.)
I answered that in the first post. Better margins on ice, thats why businesses 'suddenly' don't like the current subsidies we have.
The party of limiting personal freedom.
If I want to buy an electric car, why shouldn't I be able to?
Because it takes profits from the oil industry, and we can't have that!
If I want to buy an electric car, why shouldn’t I be able to?
Because you are only allowed personal freedoms if you express them like every other white conservative and fit a very narrowly defined picture of American culture, ethnicity and gender identity.
I'm beginning to think Trump is just throwing things against the wall to see what sticks.
I'm beginning to think he doesn't have values of his own and has discovered that he can easily keep dangling simplistic talking points in front of America's most ignorant and most vulnerable segment of simpletons and morons.
I might take it one step further and say that these aren't Trump's ideas. These are fossil fuel industry talking points that get pumped through a rich network of right wing talk radio dorks and Brietbart style news feeds and Joe Rogan guests.
Trump and his ilk are just the guys who can turn a talking point about "nobody is buying electric cars" into a real policy of "nobody is allowed to buy electric cars from over the border".
It worked for him before-- it might work again. He is still neck to neck with Biden in polling after all.
The probability we're going to have Trump for a second term is so much higher than anyone realizes and it terrifies me every time some Millennial/GenZ shrugs and says "there's no way that dude is getting in" with no intention of voting, because I have seen all this before.
Younger folks are just electorally apathetic. This isn't exclusive to GenZ and Millenials, if you look back on voter records in the '60s and '70s, even the young boomers at the time also did not vote in droves. It is an age thing more than any specific generational traits.
Always has been… 🧑🚀🔫👩🚀
Is the wall you're referring to the one Mexico paid for?
"It a beautiful wall, a fantastic wall, just look at it, ain't it the best wall ever built? Didn't I tell you, 'promise made, promise kept.'?"
He spitballs everything hoping that one day he might be right about something.
Oooh... I can just imagine the cognitive dissonance over on twitter reaching critical mass.
That's called FREEDOM and FREE MARKET CAPITALISM!
Don't forget limited government involvement in personal freedoms.
A man of "freedom of choice" and "free market" I see.
As long as both of those choices refer to his buddies that pay him
Free market, states rights, first amendment... Only when it suits them.
The car companies have already built the infrastructure for EV’s, this isn’t going to happen.
*convicted felon Donald Trump
Donald Trump says random bullshit he cannot deliver on, that will appeal to his most rabid supporters.
The Biden Tariffs have way more impact on total EVs sales than reducing the EV credit to $0. The tariff blocks $6k EVs from enter the US, the credits just knocks $7.5k off a $50k car.
Like I get that us here in the United States are wary of Chinese things, but let's all be honest, American car companies aren't going to produce a sub $20k EV anytime soon. LiFePO₄ batteries have been a thing for some time now, the excuse the batteries are the main cost of the car is faux argument that US makers just aren't ready to stop subsidizing their other vehicle platforms with EV sales.
Trump's arguments won't do shit no matter which side of the aisle you sit. The thing killing wide adoption in the US of EVs is the US EV makers.
US makers just aren't ready to stop subsidizing their other vehicle platforms with EV sales
US carmakers aren't subsidizing their other vehicle sales with EV sales. They're literally losing money on every EV sale. If anything it's the polar opposite. Tesla is the only company thus far that has figured out how to build a profitable EV.
It's not that the other companies can't figure out how to make a profitable EV, it's just that they only dip their feet in the water. Giant SUVs and petrol economics are a hard drug to shake.
God, now this makes it a difficult one.
On one hand a Trump presidency is awful, on the other hand seeing Elon Musk have a mental breakdown as he can no longer sell Teslas in America is almost worth while
Eh, it will never be accomplished anyway. Trump promised so much shit that never happened. Only some of his promises to rich people came true.
According to another comment, that's not what he actually said. Musk would still be allowed to sell his rust-mobiles.
Oh man, and here I thought things would be getting spicy in the "genius" billionaire class
He's begged the oil industry to come up with a $1b donation for his "campaign", this is the reach around if they make it happen.
Canada thanks you for the cheap electric cars resulting from the surplus 👍
Unless you live in Alberta.
"Climate change doesn't exist! Oh my God, I'm on fire!"
Can anyone give a legit reason as to why EVs are bad? Because all I've seen is "they don't make cool BROOM BROOM noise" and "they're bad for the environment" which is only true because of oil and gas companies bribing governments to restrict green energy infrastructure
Republicans are in bed with oil industry.
theres only two temporary reasons. 1. the environmental reason is less the gas vs battery situation, but more the EVs are heavy, and the biggest pollutant are car tires. this tied with US consumer obsession of SUV sized vehicles dont help.
the other is not all places have an equivalent "gas tax" which is used for road maintainance usually for EVs since, well they dont use gas.
both fixable problems but can be considered a problem
the tire wear thing was a very warped interpretation of a study. Tire wear emits more particulate pollution than exhaust does. Pollution from exhaust is primarily gaseous.
If my math is right, about 2.6 million tons worth of tires are sold in the US annually. While co2 emissions from vehicles amount to around 1.5 billion tons. Even completely vaporizing every tire sold in a year wouldnt come close to tailpipe emissions.
Isn't it also that sourcing the raw materials for the batteries results in a lot of pollution, and the charging is often provided by coal burning plants?
No one burns coal anymore!
But seriously I saw one model by energy portfolio per US State, calculating how long you’d need to drive to make up for the additional emissions during construction
all had a threshold where the EV came out ahead, lifetime emissions
a couple states with cleaner power, had a threshold as low as two years typical driving, then it’s all gravy
West Virginia and Wyoming were the worst, with high reliance on coal for power generation. The threshold was 14 years, so an EV would still come out ahead if it lasted its expected lifetime (Teslas are supposedly good for 15 years, 250k miles before replacing battery)
WV and WY are heavy red, rural, sparsely populated states, so not a good scenario for EVs anyway. But there’s also a point there about how heavily polluting they are, how the efforts if like 379M to reduce our impact on the environment are sabotaged by less than 1M owned by coal companies
That's awesome information! Thanks for putting it all together in a comment
ofc its one, but that can be said about a lot of resources. the latter was already mentioned which is why i didnt mention it.
Sure it is, but oil drilling also require electricity provided by same plants and isn't exactly clean either.
Isn’t it also that sourcing the raw materials
This also leads to a shit-ton of attendant neocolonial shitfuckery - but nobody in the US really cares about that.
I don't even understand that particular grouping of words
I didnt know tires where the biggest polluters, I'm all for getting rid of cars in general but the public transit sucks which makes me think it's just wishful thinking
Can anyone give a legit reason as to why EVs are bad?
They are still cars.
Fair point
He's like a new Kaney West
He can only further with those who already believe in him.
The article updated it's headline to clarify that it wasn't all EV sales. You can edit your post title to reflect that.
Good catch. Just updated
Looks like he's going after two items:
EV tax credits
Tailpipe emissions
How will he do this from prison?
So does this mean Elon Musk turned down the offer to be official envoy to Mexico?
I know it has been said, but who in the ever loving fuck can hear this and still support this dumbshit?
Donald Trump versus Elon Musk
Meanwhile Biden just implemented huge tariffs on Chinese EVs. Trump is a corrupt fuck running his mouth in hopes to get more money from donors.
Not sure what I would have done in Biden's spot. China has a long history of ignoring patents, doing industrial espionage, and government funding an industry to corner the market on it, shutting everyone else out. We need cheap EVs, but that cost is so high.
Then WHY in the world does the US import so much from China? Seems like a pick and choose bullshit take. The US is losing against China, they're protecting US automobile manufacturers.
Far from my area of expertise, but my guess is because people can swallow lack of forward progress way better than they swallow going backwards. The current trade with China started back under Nixon, and Americans have gotten used to so many ultra cheap Chinese goods. I try to avoid products from China, and for some things it's really hard, and it usually means paying double the price. If we cut off that trade or raised the tarrifs a lot, the price of so many things works skyrocket and people wouldn't stand for it.
the price of so many things works skyrocket
That's probably all you needed to write. Keeping prices artificially low by importing so much from China is a failing of the US.
The US also has a history of blocking shipments of items that are proven to be infringing of trademarks, patents, and most importantly trade secrets. I do think China has gotten away with a lot but in this specific case, the industry is using the government to get out of lowering the value of a new car.
Ok. Why?
What's this stupid crusade against electric vehicles really about?
Don't like them, don't buy them, free market, right?
I get that little D. Trump wants donations from the fossil fuel industry and ice car manufacturers for his campaign, but why is it that all the stubborn conservatives are all over Facebook hell-bent on shitting on every post about EVs when nobody is forcing them to drive them?
What's so scary about it? Progression? It's going to happen and they're going to like it.
The funny thing is that when they eventually need to buy a car, they'll buy an EV anyway, because that makes sense when they sober up and look at what is best for themselves financially.
It's soo fucking stupid...
I have this aquintance who is into politics on the right wing who's posting this shit all the time. However, both he and his wife drive electric cars.
It's like they just want to be hypocritical stooges hoping to outsmart everyone else, just using any excuse to shit all over the place thinking their friends will admire them or think it's funny or something. But it's actually sad. Who hurt them?
Trump wants to ban all EV sales despite what Americans want.
Biden wants to ban China EV sales despite what Americans want.
About what we can expect from this stupid fucking election.
Biden wants to ban China EV sales despite what Americans want.
No. Biden wants to enact protectionist policies that increase the price of Chinese EVs. It's true that some Dems are suggesting Chinese EVs be banned, notably Sherrod Brown. There are actually some pretty good arguments for doing so.
But I gotta be honest, if paying a bit more for a cheap ass brand new car is the worst of your concerns... well, I suggest you pay closer attention.
No, you're right. The worst of my concerns is Biden's insistence on making us complicit in a brutal genocide for a fascist foreign power.
Needlessly doubling the price of electric cars and bikes, collecting the difference as a tax on lower income Americans who would have most benefited from these much cheaper forms of personal transportation, while also posing as the environmentalist candidate, is just one example of the crock of shit we're expected to participate in this year. Let's just acknowledge that Biden is only here to defend and uphold billionaires, in this case, the ones who own the US car industry.
Republicans are worse in every aspect you talk about
Totally correct, and that doesn't make Biden any better.
It doesn't make Democrats any better than they are, but at least with Democrats you can have confidence that there will be another election in the future.
No. There is no reason to protect the American auto companies. They sold out 80% of Americans to a policy of profiting off of selling fewer, more expensive cars in a world that they lobbied to make cars mandatory to exist in almost all of the United States.
What about that closer attention ?
He gets fuller of shit by the day
He says a lot of things. None of it is remotely relevant.
I don't like Trump either. But as others here have said he didn't say this. That's a quote from the article the quote from him says "You won't be able to sell those cars" not "I'll ban all electric car sales"
What's the difference?
One implies he will personally forbid them from selling.
The other implies no one will want to buy them because they'll be too expensive by their nature.
4 years of Trump as president, and people are still trying to see nuance in what he says? Were you asleep from 2017-2020? We know enough about how he talks to know what he means. He's absolutely talking about blocking EV sales.
It's unreal. I'm convinced people are just collectively too stupid to ever fully escape this constant pull towards fascism.
We should maybe start getting used to the idea that we had a nice century or so of relative freedom and prosperity, and we're lucky to have been alive during it.
He is still a dangerous cheat, corrupted, megalomaniac, and kind of stupid and easily manipulated. It's just that he probably didn't mean a ban in this case.
Just because he is dangerous doesn't mean we should also embrace misinformation against him. Plenty of legitimate information is damning enough, to embrace misinformation sites nothing but undermine the legitimate reasons to keep him the hell away from leadership.
I will accept just about anything to stop the fascism from taking control of our country at this point.
This has already been a propaganda war, the left just sucks at it. And when you're up against people willing to fight dirty with the future of the Republic at stake, and you're not willing to meet them at their level, you lose every time. And this is something we cannot lose.
So no, I'm ok with interpreting what we all fucking know he meant anyway, based on the ridiculous way he speaks and having to listen to it constantly for the past decade. I'm ok with that little stretch if it means my gay and trans friends in Florida don't end up against the fucking wall in a year and a half.
It's starting to get dire. I really don't think people grasp what happens if he wins again. And it will happen quickly.
Precisely because he says so much dangerous and stupid stuff we shouldn't feel the need to potentially misrepresent something else.
Like I can tactically see why Fox News latched into just the dumbest stuff for Obama because Obama didn't give them anything legitimate to work with to discredit him. Trump about hourly does or says something so terrible that we shouldn't have to resort to potentially misrepresenting stuff.
no one will want to buy them because they’ll be too expensive
Its almost as though the import price of the vehicle is a consequence of US trade policy.
I was not saying he is correct, saying that was his likely meaning in this context. He's not exactly got a great track record of being smart or correct. Just in this case he didn't seem to mean a ban outright.
He explicitly called for a ban of EV imports from Mexico. What's more outright than that?
Why are people downvoting this? Trump is a literal poison, but misinformation is misinformation. The author changed the meaning:
"You won't be able to sell those cars, because they won't have EV incentives" NOT "because I'll ban them."
Trump is a literal poison, but misinformation is misinformation.
Trump: "Won't someone rid me of these meddlesome electric vehicles?!"
Media: "Trump calls for elimination of electric vehicles."
Terminally Online Guy: "Um, aktuly, its ephebophilia".
Tribalism is a hell of a drug.
"You won't be able to have an abortion, I never said I'd ban it, though!"
Basically, China has a bad habit of faking technological innovations as a PR stunt, with many of their Electric Vehicles being explosive combustion engines made to look EV to outsiders.
They have also claimed to have revived Karl Marx as an AI who "revealed" that he was "totally chinese the whole time"
I'm sure they put a 100% tax on them because once you pop the hood the engine is 4 hamsters in wheels and everyone who drove these cars are paid CCP actors.
Biden can't do anything because the president isn't a king, but every stupid idea that Trump has is apparently going to happen.
Not going to happen, necessarily, but it's brazen corruption and it shows you that he'll do what he can to impede EVs.
When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Trump has told us repeatedly he wants to be a right-wing dictator.
He can want things all he likes. Aren't we ruled by law? Isn't that why the Democrats can't seem to do anything? Why is that law so fragile when conservatives want something and so adamantine when Democrats want something?
Because some of those who work forces, are the same that burn crosses.
Republicans also have a large and growing fan base, fueled by their strides to dismantle and destroy the educational system, thus making people easier to sway/fool, keep busy, and keep under their boots.
Pretty simple.
Ah, because Americans are violent idiots.
A certain segment of them are, yea. Don't pretend the entire country is though.
If our government represents us then as a whole we are violent idiots. If not per capita then per square foot, which is the only metric that matters.
Total non sequitur - obvious troll. See ya bud
Because the law works on precedent and enforcement. You are allowed to do anything if people don't stop you. We'll see if NY is ready to stop Trump's bullshit.
This is the violence inherent in the system.
It's fundamentally easier to do things when Congress licks your boots, who knew.
It is hard to believe this moron has a chance of being president again. We are a doomed country.
Don’t let the media and talking heads convince you of anything.
There are a great majority of people who want nothing to do with Trump, his Russian bootlicking or any of his other xenophobic hate.
Just vote.
But the system is rigged so that a relatively small minority of morons can fuck shit up for everybody else. So yeah, guys, vote like your life depends on it because it literally does.
And those of us who are voting and get elected will, and have been, continue to stop vote rigging, jerrymandering, and voter intimidation.
Voting doesn’t end at the end of the presidential election. It involves your local elections too. Especially anything to do with your local educational system.
It's not a relatively small minority. Trump has lost the popular vote every time he's run, but not by huge margins. There are a lot of people that legitimately want Trump as a president, and many more that view him as the lesser of two evils. Don't underestimate that and definitely don't let down your guard.
Only about 30% of people vote in the US and half of that is 15%. So, pretty small.
Exactly, and even if it might seem like your single vote doesn't matter, you would be surprised. trump won in 2016 because disinformation on social media convinced people that their vote won't change anything and Hillary will win anyway.
Also vote at least every 2 years, it isn't just the president that matters, the Congress is important too
Congress is more imortant than the president by the looks from an outsider.
How is the house reps elected in the USA?
By district, which is all the voters in a smaller geographic area. House Reps are up for re election every 2 years. The intent of the House is to give more representatives to states with higher populations, so for example New York has 26 representatives while Kansas only has 4.
However, instead of purely representing population, the number of House reps has been capped at 435, which weighs heavily in favor of less populated (Republican) states. If that cap was removed, Democrats would have a permanent lock on the House.
Thanks!
He's the Republican nominee. What do you mean by letting "the media and talking heads convince you of anything?" Based on the previous two presidential elections, he's got a 50/50 shot which says a lot about his opponent.
If polling aggregate predictions means anything, then he actually has a higher chance of winning than losing.
Source 1
Source 2
In what world does the number of candidates have anything to do with hundred of millions of peoples independent votes.
This is just bad stats
The world where out of the 400 RNC candidates filed through the FEC, Trump was the one that people have been voting for in the primaries by a landslide.
There were 161 Million total registered voters in 2022, and 335 Million total USA Population, so even if tens of millions of people, a comparatively small fraction, vote for Donald Trump then he can very easily win this election.
In this world. He already won one election and came very close to winning the second back in 2020. Combine that with yet another weak-ass Dem candidate being the only other option and you have a recipe where it's entirely possible for him to win again.
You’re comparing apples to oranges here. The circumstances have changed since 2020 and to ignore 4 years of hearings, charges, additional threats (much less vague now) and libertarian distain for trump is significantly different from what it was when he ran in 2016, and when he had that momentum in 2020 (Covid year, don’t forget)
Donald Trump is going to bite the curb this election and I’ll bet you a bunch of people still vote for RFK.
And now he’s been charged with 30+ felonies.
#LockHimUp
Yeah this sounds a lot like pollsters claiming that Clinton had a 99% chance of winning in 2016.
Biden seems to be going out of his way to alienate progressive voters and conservative voters will never vote for him. The 'fence sitters' who don't pay attention to politics will simply see inflation and high prices and blame whomever is currently holding office due to all the conditioning and rhetoric they hear regarding it.
Any election should see a guy like Trump defeated in a landslide, but that's not the reality we live in and the guy running against him is doing such a poor job that Trump might actually win again.
I agree with your final paragraph. He isn’t a perfect candidate.
But I don’t think there will ever be a perfect candidate and when they’re running against a literal fascist dictator, I know who I will vote for. I’ve said this before but a primarily 2-party system is dangerously naïve. Simplifying the insanely complex reality that is the US into 2 options is stupid. Not to mention how much it alienates minorities (of all types not just race, religion, sex)
How are we to represent down to the minority level via a popular-vote. It doesn’t make sense to me.
It was hard to believe the last time…
I don't know.
I'm perplexed honestly.
I live in italy and here too government took a steep turn to the right since last elections.
It is like the most roborantly bamboozling idiocy someone from a stage can scream the more he gets applauded as the folks' hero for speaking their unsung voices.
On the other hand if you try to build an organic and critical dialogue you only get yawned away as utterly boring.
I don't think it is the ones screaming from their stages being the morons, well not the most moron at least, but instead they are those who give their precious votes, hard conquered from their ancestors who gift them with a life in a democracy, to these unambiguously unmistakable frauds, and who hide in the self-obliviousness of the guilty conscience for the vote they have cast their incapability of admitting their own deep existential self-inadequacy.
Lots of people are incredibly stupid. Many of those stupid people are also selfish and mean. It will always be easy to appeal to those people by blaming all their problems on others. Until science figures out a way to force on the empathy parts of our brains, we'll go through these cycles of stupid people cheering on fascism.
If he wasn't running, republicans would put some other gullible fucking idiot in office.
Fuck trump and all but he literally did not say he would stop all electric car sales. He said he would stop all sales of Chinese brand cars manufactured in Mexico.
Source: The speech linked by the NYT article that Gizmodo/jalopnik references
https://www.youtube.com/live/XGJwCUHVgc0?si=O_c0epZoYWO1Owf0
The “you’re not going to be able to sell those cars” line is about 32 minutes in.
Thank you.
That Gizmodo article is HORRIBLY written up and there never actually mention the quote outside of the blurb beneath the headline so the lack of context had me questioning them. Pretty shitty reporting.
Articles like this are exactly how fake news gets traction.
It's so damn annoying. I'm not sure how algorithms are supposed to suppress BS alarmist articles without being accused of bias either.
This is a great article to fact check the crapnout of, but because people like the "facts" it gets a pass.
Which is funny since Biden has the exact same position, which is why he expanded on Trump's trade war with China by upping tariffs on EVs to 100%. I highly doubt Biden would let China do the Mexico workaround either, if he can help it.
Did China even produce anything in Mexico, my understanding is that they want to produce everything internally.
They're trying to bring the European side of manufacturing to Hungary. We Hungarians are unhappy about it, because they get subsidized like hell.
What's with that?
I recently read an article that he is allowing to install China's face tracking cameras in Hungary. I first thought that he was installing it for his own benefit and just got the technology from China, but this actually will be used by China.
While I might grasp his unexplained love for putin, this looks like just selling your country to foreign autocracies.
Well, a lot of boomers think office work isn't real work, a deadweight on the economy, and will turn kids gay thus not making (great-)grandchildren due to not getting dirty and having an air conditioner. The previous system somehow reproduced the toxic Calvinist work morals of capitalist countries, and not only the politically illiterate calls this kind of behavior "communism", but there's a very big number of the pensioners, whose votes can be bought by promising more underpaid manual labor to their (grand)children.
The camera thing might be him getting more and more afraid. He's losing popularity, and even if he crushes popular movements (often by "doomerism"), there are more and more popping up. If the AI bubble burst (which will cause a financial recession) or some of his allies will fall, he can also fall too. He's a paranoid maniac that goes everywhere in a bullet vest. He just loves his fellow autocrats, especially as he can work together with them.
BYD and at least one or two others are/will be.
Aren't those already banned by Biden?
100% tariff on cars imported from China makes them unsellable. However there’s a free trade agreement with Mexico so GM and Ford can use the cheap labor.
Many people have pointed that out as a loophole and BYD has announced a factory on Mexico. If we wanted to block importing Chinese cars from Mexico, while still allowing GMs and Fords, we’d have to take additional action. This just means both candidates have vowed they would
As you said, this would require an additional action.
And to me it looks like it can't be done by EO and would have to be a legislation. And during trump very few legislations got passed even when they had a majority.
The restrictions on sale through Mexico can be implemented when it actually is a problem.
I found an article where they announced a factory in Mexico, but it first have to be built. The news also appears to be before the sanctions were announced. So if that factory was meant for US market this could change their plans, as adding 100% sanctions signals determination to plugin other loopholes.
They are just trying to one-up each other as always. Children in old-man bodies.
Please, free market capitalists: defend your hero.
Gotta imagine there’s a free speech absolutist who doesn’t love this
They're not a car company anyway, they're a "robotics and AI company". Apparently.
I'm not sure Pelosi would call Trump her "hero"
https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress
I don't think she is calling herself a free market capitalist.
Though I agree, she is being cheeky. This isn't a free market, it's the opposite of it. It is insider trading and she and no one in Congress should be allowed to do that.
Does Pelosi call herself a free market capitalist?
Did you read the article I linked?
No, because it says 'page unavailable' when I try.
Now please answer my question.
Not sure why you're being so pushy?
Anyway, here's the correct link. It should answer your question...
https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775
Asking you a question then asking you to answer it when you don't is hardly being pushy.
But the answer is that no, she doesn't call herself that, she just says that this is a free market. So I'm not sure why you couldn't just say so.
This is just naked corruption, making promises to the oil execs he's been trying to curry favor with, right? Because apart from that - the thing that might put more money in Trump's pocket - I can't fathom what the point would be.
To "own da libz."
He's pandering to the section of his base who all drive lifted coal rollin' diesel trucks who all know that "everyone knows" electric vehicle owners are all avocado toast eating homosexuals who vote Democrat.
It's a double win for him. Yes, he's courting automakers and the oil and gas industry, so this gets him that, but a giant percentage of his base is simply against anything that liberals are for. Think of those idiots rolling coal. They're literally making their cars as polluting as possible. What do they gain from it? The only thing it does, besides contributing to climate change, is upset liberals, and that's the goal. Every one of those people will support this.
I think you're overanalyzing things.
He's a liar and a con man and he's just telling his supporters what they want to hear. Tomorrow, he'll tell his other supporters that he's going to do the exact opposite because that's what they want to hear. There is no consistency or underlying ideal other than telling people what they want to hear so that he can get more support.
Oh can’t wait to see Elon’s response to that. 🍿
Elon will donate a few mil to his campaign, and Tesla will end up being the only company allowed to sell them.
This will eat 80% of Tesla profits, so he will probably ask Tesla to hurry up with the $56 billion he think he is owed.
Tesla stock would plummet even faster than they have recently.
Then he will try to convince Trump to use SpaceX for his Space Force, and have Trump implanted with a chip from Neuralink so he can remote control him. 😋 And then blame any problems on the Jews.
That tracks.
I can't wait for Trump to be the first RC Human.
Shit dude you can see the fucking strings as it is
No puppet! No puppet! You're the puppet!
If there's one person that can make Trump even worse, it's Elon.
Well Elon and Trump supposedly talk several times a month, so it's probably Elon telling Trump to block non American EV sales here. But there's really no telling what they're talking about.
Trump just confused things (Hailey, Pelosi, Biden, Obama etc). What he means is that he will ban European cars built in Mexico, but allow Tesla produced in China.
I'm half serious, because that's much more consistent with his policies in 2017-2020
Working at the onion must be so. hard. right now
“Donald Trump will kill ‘at least seven prostitutes’ while in office.”
No… how about “Donald Trump sings the entire National Anthem on key.”
“Donald Trump finally unmasked as secret santa in Harlem children’s program.”
Wait… I think I unlocked a secret.
"Donald Trump goes home to family, enjoys quiet evening with loved ones"
“Donald Trump Spends Six Minutes in Silence Contemplating a Tree”
"Donald Trump says he Loves his Dear Son Eric and would move Heaven and Earth for Him"
Or is that going too far?
the thing about jokes and satire is that they're funniest when they have a nugget of truth to them.
I'm not even sure Eric is related to Donald.
That's a funny way to get the auto companies and unions in the three states Biden really needs to go all in on Biden.
I'm confused. Both of them seem to be trying to lose this election.
Brewster's Millions gets more and more realistic by the day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFzYcLVNk0
Vote “none of the above.”
Why? Better margins on gas cars, I think industrial Michigan would love this because it means they won't be squeezed into electric car manufacturing. I get told by big 3 engineers that if it wasn't for the subsidies they wouldn't be electrifying their fleets. The consumer may not like it, unions may not like it, but the companies could give a damn.
We've been subsidizing ICE vehicles for the better part of the last century. Famously, Bush Jr passed enormous tax cuts for SUVs and other "light trucks" back in 2003.
Because these rules didn't require a business to exist for a minimum length of time or post a profit, car dealerships would help buyers spin up small businesses on the spot in order to avail themselves of the credit. SUVs flooded the market and have been a load on the national car fleet ever since.
Now we're pivoting to electric vehicles in order to stay competitive globally, and (fossil fuel endorsed) business magazines have suddenly started poo-pooing the idea of vehicle subsidies as unnatural. Curious.
Yeah, that corporate tax credit is also why the Ford F-150 is the most commonly purchased vehicle by millionaires and billionaires. It’s the smallest vehicle able to be classified as a work truck, to qualify for tax credits. They can basically deduct the entire cost of the vehicle on their taxes, because they purchase it through a shell corporation (of which they’re the sole owner and operator.)
I answered that in the first post. Better margins on ice, thats why businesses 'suddenly' don't like the current subsidies we have.
The party of limiting personal freedom.
If I want to buy an electric car, why shouldn't I be able to?
Because it takes profits from the oil industry, and we can't have that!
/s
Because you are only allowed personal freedoms if you express them like every other white conservative and fit a very narrowly defined picture of American culture, ethnicity and gender identity.
I'm beginning to think Trump is just throwing things against the wall to see what sticks.
I'm beginning to think he doesn't have values of his own and has discovered that he can easily keep dangling simplistic talking points in front of America's most ignorant and most vulnerable segment of simpletons and morons.
I might take it one step further and say that these aren't Trump's ideas. These are fossil fuel industry talking points that get pumped through a rich network of right wing talk radio dorks and Brietbart style news feeds and Joe Rogan guests.
Trump and his ilk are just the guys who can turn a talking point about "nobody is buying electric cars" into a real policy of "nobody is allowed to buy electric cars from over the border".
It worked for him before-- it might work again. He is still neck to neck with Biden in polling after all.
The probability we're going to have Trump for a second term is so much higher than anyone realizes and it terrifies me every time some Millennial/GenZ shrugs and says "there's no way that dude is getting in" with no intention of voting, because I have seen all this before.
Younger folks are just electorally apathetic. This isn't exclusive to GenZ and Millenials, if you look back on voter records in the '60s and '70s, even the young boomers at the time also did not vote in droves. It is an age thing more than any specific generational traits.
Always has been… 🧑🚀🔫👩🚀
Is the wall you're referring to the one Mexico paid for?
"It a beautiful wall, a fantastic wall, just look at it, ain't it the best wall ever built? Didn't I tell you, 'promise made, promise kept.'?"
He spitballs everything hoping that one day he might be right about something.
Oooh... I can just imagine the cognitive dissonance over on twitter reaching critical mass.
That's called FREEDOM and FREE MARKET CAPITALISM!
Don't forget limited government involvement in personal freedoms.
A man of "freedom of choice" and "free market" I see.
As long as both of those choices refer to his buddies that pay him
Petro-masculinity poster-boy
How very "free market" of him.
Free market, states rights, first amendment... Only when it suits them.
The car companies have already built the infrastructure for EV’s, this isn’t going to happen.
*convicted felon Donald Trump
Donald Trump says random bullshit he cannot deliver on, that will appeal to his most rabid supporters.
The Biden Tariffs have way more impact on total EVs sales than reducing the EV credit to $0. The tariff blocks $6k EVs from enter the US, the credits just knocks $7.5k off a $50k car.
Like I get that us here in the United States are wary of Chinese things, but let's all be honest, American car companies aren't going to produce a sub $20k EV anytime soon. LiFePO₄ batteries have been a thing for some time now, the excuse the batteries are the main cost of the car is faux argument that US makers just aren't ready to stop subsidizing their other vehicle platforms with EV sales.
Trump's arguments won't do shit no matter which side of the aisle you sit. The thing killing wide adoption in the US of EVs is the US EV makers.
US carmakers aren't subsidizing their other vehicle sales with EV sales. They're literally losing money on every EV sale. If anything it's the polar opposite. Tesla is the only company thus far that has figured out how to build a profitable EV.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60621256/ford-ev-revenue-losses-q1-2024/ https://fortune.com/2024/04/24/gm-earnings-beat-gas-ev-electric-trucks-profitable/
It's not that the other companies can't figure out how to make a profitable EV, it's just that they only dip their feet in the water. Giant SUVs and petrol economics are a hard drug to shake.
God, now this makes it a difficult one.
On one hand a Trump presidency is awful, on the other hand seeing Elon Musk have a mental breakdown as he can no longer sell Teslas in America is almost worth while
Eh, it will never be accomplished anyway. Trump promised so much shit that never happened. Only some of his promises to rich people came true.
For anyone interested.
According to another comment, that's not what he actually said. Musk would still be allowed to sell his rust-mobiles.
Oh man, and here I thought things would be getting spicy in the "genius" billionaire class
He's begged the oil industry to come up with a $1b donation for his "campaign", this is the reach around if they make it happen.
Canada thanks you for the cheap electric cars resulting from the surplus 👍
Unless you live in Alberta.
"Climate change doesn't exist! Oh my God, I'm on fire!"
Can anyone give a legit reason as to why EVs are bad? Because all I've seen is "they don't make cool BROOM BROOM noise" and "they're bad for the environment" which is only true because of oil and gas companies bribing governments to restrict green energy infrastructure
Republicans are in bed with oil industry.
theres only two temporary reasons. 1. the environmental reason is less the gas vs battery situation, but more the EVs are heavy, and the biggest pollutant are car tires. this tied with US consumer obsession of SUV sized vehicles dont help.
the other is not all places have an equivalent "gas tax" which is used for road maintainance usually for EVs since, well they dont use gas.
both fixable problems but can be considered a problem
the tire wear thing was a very warped interpretation of a study. Tire wear emits more particulate pollution than exhaust does. Pollution from exhaust is primarily gaseous.
If my math is right, about 2.6 million tons worth of tires are sold in the US annually. While co2 emissions from vehicles amount to around 1.5 billion tons. Even completely vaporizing every tire sold in a year wouldnt come close to tailpipe emissions.
Isn't it also that sourcing the raw materials for the batteries results in a lot of pollution, and the charging is often provided by coal burning plants?
No one burns coal anymore!
But seriously I saw one model by energy portfolio per US State, calculating how long you’d need to drive to make up for the additional emissions during construction
WV and WY are heavy red, rural, sparsely populated states, so not a good scenario for EVs anyway. But there’s also a point there about how heavily polluting they are, how the efforts if like 379M to reduce our impact on the environment are sabotaged by less than 1M owned by coal companies
That's awesome information! Thanks for putting it all together in a comment
ofc its one, but that can be said about a lot of resources. the latter was already mentioned which is why i didnt mention it.
Sure it is, but oil drilling also require electricity provided by same plants and isn't exactly clean either.
This also leads to a shit-ton of attendant neocolonial shitfuckery - but nobody in the US really cares about that.
I don't even understand that particular grouping of words
Do you understand this?
Yep
I didnt know tires where the biggest polluters, I'm all for getting rid of cars in general but the public transit sucks which makes me think it's just wishful thinking
They are still cars.
Fair point
He's like a new Kaney West
He can only further with those who already believe in him.
The article updated it's headline to clarify that it wasn't all EV sales. You can edit your post title to reflect that.
Good catch. Just updated
Looks like he's going after two items:
How will he do this from prison?
So does this mean Elon Musk turned down the offer to be official envoy to Mexico?
I know it has been said, but who in the ever loving fuck can hear this and still support this dumbshit?
Donald Trump versus Elon Musk
Meanwhile Biden just implemented huge tariffs on Chinese EVs. Trump is a corrupt fuck running his mouth in hopes to get more money from donors.
Not sure what I would have done in Biden's spot. China has a long history of ignoring patents, doing industrial espionage, and government funding an industry to corner the market on it, shutting everyone else out. We need cheap EVs, but that cost is so high.
Then WHY in the world does the US import so much from China? Seems like a pick and choose bullshit take. The US is losing against China, they're protecting US automobile manufacturers.
Far from my area of expertise, but my guess is because people can swallow lack of forward progress way better than they swallow going backwards. The current trade with China started back under Nixon, and Americans have gotten used to so many ultra cheap Chinese goods. I try to avoid products from China, and for some things it's really hard, and it usually means paying double the price. If we cut off that trade or raised the tarrifs a lot, the price of so many things works skyrocket and people wouldn't stand for it.
That's probably all you needed to write. Keeping prices artificially low by importing so much from China is a failing of the US.
The US also has a history of blocking shipments of items that are proven to be infringing of trademarks, patents, and most importantly trade secrets. I do think China has gotten away with a lot but in this specific case, the industry is using the government to get out of lowering the value of a new car.
Ok. Why?
What's this stupid crusade against electric vehicles really about?
Don't like them, don't buy them, free market, right?
I get that little D. Trump wants donations from the fossil fuel industry and ice car manufacturers for his campaign, but why is it that all the stubborn conservatives are all over Facebook hell-bent on shitting on every post about EVs when nobody is forcing them to drive them? What's so scary about it? Progression? It's going to happen and they're going to like it.
The funny thing is that when they eventually need to buy a car, they'll buy an EV anyway, because that makes sense when they sober up and look at what is best for themselves financially. It's soo fucking stupid...
I have this aquintance who is into politics on the right wing who's posting this shit all the time. However, both he and his wife drive electric cars. It's like they just want to be hypocritical stooges hoping to outsmart everyone else, just using any excuse to shit all over the place thinking their friends will admire them or think it's funny or something. But it's actually sad. Who hurt them?
Trump wants to ban all EV sales despite what Americans want.
Biden wants to ban China EV sales despite what Americans want.
About what we can expect from this stupid fucking election.
No. Biden wants to enact protectionist policies that increase the price of Chinese EVs. It's true that some Dems are suggesting Chinese EVs be banned, notably Sherrod Brown. There are actually some pretty good arguments for doing so.
But I gotta be honest, if paying a bit more for a cheap ass brand new car is the worst of your concerns... well, I suggest you pay closer attention.
No, you're right. The worst of my concerns is Biden's insistence on making us complicit in a brutal genocide for a fascist foreign power.
Needlessly doubling the price of electric cars and bikes, collecting the difference as a tax on lower income Americans who would have most benefited from these much cheaper forms of personal transportation, while also posing as the environmentalist candidate, is just one example of the crock of shit we're expected to participate in this year. Let's just acknowledge that Biden is only here to defend and uphold billionaires, in this case, the ones who own the US car industry.
Republicans are worse in every aspect you talk about
Totally correct, and that doesn't make Biden any better.
It doesn't make Democrats any better than they are, but at least with Democrats you can have confidence that there will be another election in the future.
No. There is no reason to protect the American auto companies. They sold out 80% of Americans to a policy of profiting off of selling fewer, more expensive cars in a world that they lobbied to make cars mandatory to exist in almost all of the United States.
What about that closer attention ?
He gets fuller of shit by the day
He says a lot of things. None of it is remotely relevant.
I don't like Trump either. But as others here have said he didn't say this. That's a quote from the article the quote from him says "You won't be able to sell those cars" not "I'll ban all electric car sales"
What's the difference?
One implies he will personally forbid them from selling.
The other implies no one will want to buy them because they'll be too expensive by their nature.
4 years of Trump as president, and people are still trying to see nuance in what he says? Were you asleep from 2017-2020? We know enough about how he talks to know what he means. He's absolutely talking about blocking EV sales.
It's unreal. I'm convinced people are just collectively too stupid to ever fully escape this constant pull towards fascism.
We should maybe start getting used to the idea that we had a nice century or so of relative freedom and prosperity, and we're lucky to have been alive during it.
He is still a dangerous cheat, corrupted, megalomaniac, and kind of stupid and easily manipulated. It's just that he probably didn't mean a ban in this case.
Just because he is dangerous doesn't mean we should also embrace misinformation against him. Plenty of legitimate information is damning enough, to embrace misinformation sites nothing but undermine the legitimate reasons to keep him the hell away from leadership.
I will accept just about anything to stop the fascism from taking control of our country at this point.
This has already been a propaganda war, the left just sucks at it. And when you're up against people willing to fight dirty with the future of the Republic at stake, and you're not willing to meet them at their level, you lose every time. And this is something we cannot lose.
So no, I'm ok with interpreting what we all fucking know he meant anyway, based on the ridiculous way he speaks and having to listen to it constantly for the past decade. I'm ok with that little stretch if it means my gay and trans friends in Florida don't end up against the fucking wall in a year and a half.
It's starting to get dire. I really don't think people grasp what happens if he wins again. And it will happen quickly.
Precisely because he says so much dangerous and stupid stuff we shouldn't feel the need to potentially misrepresent something else.
Like I can tactically see why Fox News latched into just the dumbest stuff for Obama because Obama didn't give them anything legitimate to work with to discredit him. Trump about hourly does or says something so terrible that we shouldn't have to resort to potentially misrepresenting stuff.
China makes cheap electric vehicles. Why can't American shoppers buy them?
Its almost as though the import price of the vehicle is a consequence of US trade policy.
I was not saying he is correct, saying that was his likely meaning in this context. He's not exactly got a great track record of being smart or correct. Just in this case he didn't seem to mean a ban outright.
He explicitly called for a ban of EV imports from Mexico. What's more outright than that?
Why are people downvoting this? Trump is a literal poison, but misinformation is misinformation. The author changed the meaning: "You won't be able to sell those cars, because they won't have EV incentives" NOT "because I'll ban them."
Trump: "Won't someone rid me of these meddlesome electric vehicles?!"
Media: "Trump calls for elimination of electric vehicles."
Terminally Online Guy: "Um, aktuly, its ephebophilia".
Tribalism is a hell of a drug.
"You won't be able to have an abortion, I never said I'd ban it, though!"
Maybe Elon Musk responding might actually tip the scales in a good direction for a change.
toooooo bad we don't have laws to protect from this sort of thing...i wish this was /s :(
That rump THICC tho
I mean to be fair, the Chinese EVs are largely fake...
But, EVs in general are still the way of the future.
Trains...
Which are electric, so...
What does that even mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ9hrB8RxFA&list=PL7Jmz7UMvd9HtUALvojvaA_RazWI0yy8U&index=1 Here's a show for ya
Basically, China has a bad habit of faking technological innovations as a PR stunt, with many of their Electric Vehicles being explosive combustion engines made to look EV to outsiders.
They have also claimed to have revived Karl Marx as an AI who "revealed" that he was "totally chinese the whole time"
I'm sure they put a 100% tax on them because once you pop the hood the engine is 4 hamsters in wheels and everyone who drove these cars are paid CCP actors.
Biden can't do anything because the president isn't a king, but every stupid idea that Trump has is apparently going to happen.
Not going to happen, necessarily, but it's brazen corruption and it shows you that he'll do what he can to impede EVs.
When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Trump has told us repeatedly he wants to be a right-wing dictator.
He can want things all he likes. Aren't we ruled by law? Isn't that why the Democrats can't seem to do anything? Why is that law so fragile when conservatives want something and so adamantine when Democrats want something?
Because some of those who work forces, are the same that burn crosses.
Republicans also have a large and growing fan base, fueled by their strides to dismantle and destroy the educational system, thus making people easier to sway/fool, keep busy, and keep under their boots.
Pretty simple.
Ah, because Americans are violent idiots.
A certain segment of them are, yea. Don't pretend the entire country is though.
If our government represents us then as a whole we are violent idiots. If not per capita then per square foot, which is the only metric that matters.
Total non sequitur - obvious troll. See ya bud
Because the law works on precedent and enforcement. You are allowed to do anything if people don't stop you. We'll see if NY is ready to stop Trump's bullshit.
This is the violence inherent in the system.
It's fundamentally easier to do things when Congress licks your boots, who knew.