Do you think the guys on the titanic submarine will be rescued?
For those who are unaware: A couple billionaires, a pilot, and one of the billionaires' son are currently stuck inside an extremely tiny sub a couple thousand meters under the sea (inside of the sub with the guys above).
They were supposed to dive down to the titanic, but lost connection about halfway down. They've been missing for the past 48 hours, and have 2 days until the oxygen in the sub runs out. Do you think they'll make it?
No, nor do I think they should be. There will be millions of wasted taxpayer dollars wasted on trying to recover rich people's dead bodies. They signed a waiver and knew what they were getting into. There's nothing to be learned from whatever happened, since the company was clearly negligent. Let them rest on the ocean floor beside the other rich assholes.
That's a bit harsh. If there's anything that works in modern society pretty reliably regardless of status, it's search and rescue. Sunk subs can also be an environmental hazard.
I agree woth this post. Wealth has nothing to do with this. And if they survive they can easily pay the bill.
There is no rescue in this instance, only an expensive recovery. And there are enough environmental hazards in the world at this point, that I don't think a 5m sub on the sea floor is going to matter much. Most climbers are abandoned to their fate as they made the reckless decision to ascend, just as these people made the reckless decision to descend.
It's still part of S&R. Lost swimmers, ships, small planes, or just people lost in the woods, there are always attempts for recovery long after any chance of survival is gone.
Yea climbers may be abandoned very high up on Everest, when there's no safe way to bring them down. But subs, we do look for subs. Let's not needlessly be dicks about it.
At least this method of winning the darwin award is going full circle.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12215003/OceanGate-REFUSED-independent-inspection-missing-sub-fired-worker-raised-safety-concerns.html
He hired a guy specifically to work on the safety of the sub and fired him when he raised too many concerns like the viewport not being rated for that depth.
Exactly, there's enough evidence that they're just willfully negligent. Fuck them. The victims should have done even 5 mins of research on the company before getting in the sub.
It's kinda poetic for them to go down next to the titanic, itself a story of complacency and excess/opulance.
Not only that, one look at the thing they chose to go down into the water in was enough for me to wonder what kind of hallucinogens they must've been on to accept that risk.
4km down - I get the willies if I see more than 20 metres of water underneath me and I can't see the bottom.
According to David Lochridge (their Director of Marine Operations who was fired and sued), the passenger viewport of the original sub (buit in 2018) was only certified for depths of up to 1,300 meters (4,265 feet), and OceanGate would not pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport certified for 4,000 meters, the depth at which the Titanic rested.
Whether that defect was corrected in this version of the sub (built 2020-21) is anyone's guess. Meanwhile, a German entrepreneur who took a trip in this sub in 2021 reported several problems with the electrics and one dive was aborted at 1600ft. So whether these new problems were addressed (by someone who wanted to cheap out on a window) is also unknown.
The 5 submariners chances of being rescued are very slim at this point but much much higher than the 500 migrants still missing off the coast of Greece who took to the waters not for a joy ride but to escape war and seek a better life.
Just imagine, these idiots spend 250k to sit in a iron tube controlled by a cheap offbrand playstation controller but won't spend any of their money to improve the world. Only satisfying their own ego and greed. I can't feel sorry for them, best I can do is hope that they imploded so they didn't have to suffer too long.
I'm not going to diss on Logitech, they make some good reliable controllers. I would place them bottom on the list of things that probably broke.
That being said. I can understand why someone from the outside sees a plastic controller and wonder why they didn't go with the more expensive plastic controller. But in the end, they both have the same parts. I would also find it VERY strange that there wouldn't be a backup controller.
Though it is hard to take pity on the situation when one has to consider. That 250k a ticket is more then 20 single mothers working 2 jobs, so they can feed their kids, so this dude can go see the titanic..... in person.... Because video documentaries of every angle of the titanic in 4k resolution don't exist in 2023 apparently.
I find a lot of people don't have a mindset of considering how things could go wrong. It usually works, and it's always worked so far for them, therefore it will always work going forward. Plus, it's just so convenient.
For example, there are people who use their phone as their car key. They simply don't think about what happens if their phone is lost/stolen, damaged, or even just out of battery. They may or may not learn a lesson when they get burned by it.
To be fair, there's nothing wrong with using a controller to control things, off-brand or otherwise.
Both industry and the military use off-the-shelf game controllers for things, because they're easy to obtain, ergonomic and relatively intuitive.
Although using a wireless one that was infamous for having dropout issues, without some backup mechanism that could also be used to control the submersible was probably something of a mistake. At minimum, you'd expect that they would use one that was wired, just in case someone forgot to charge the batteries before hand, and/or didn't bring a spare.
Sure, but not for something as safety critical as the primary way to control it. There's just so many failure modes. Imagine if one of the sticks pots failed and made them spin uncontrollably. Regardless, the they had IIRC six different fail-safes to force them to surface. So I'm sure they put some more thought into it than people are giving them credit for.
I suspect they imploded.
These super deep subs are traditionally not reused very long, because the stress of the water pressing and then releasing weakens them. The more compression-decompression cycles they take the faster they degrade.
From all the reports, they got a lot of reports of issues that they ignored. I read that one of the reporters who saw it found it to be very jury rigged together. Apparently it was not certified in any way.
Even if they did survive and the ballast worked correctly, they would surface quickly (decompression sickness?) and cannot open the hatch from the inside. The thing doesn't float above the water, so its going to be a pain to find. Also they didn't paint it bright orange with blinking lights, its white, gray, and blue.
Overall, a lot of poor decisions and ignoring advice lead to disaster.
Decompression sickness is a concern only if they suffered compression. But the main problem, as I see it, is that the sub was made from materials that are famously brittle and tend to degrade over many cycles of pressure and release (resin, carbon fiber, etc). So the likely failure mode is catastrophic failure of the sub under pressure.
There's a reason most deep sea stuff is made out of steel: it's somewhat ductile and recovers from compression with minimal change in properties.
Not an expert, but I don't think the air pressure inside the sub changes, so decompression sickness should be impossible. Don't quote me on that, though
This would be correct. However, I suspect the air pressure in the sub did change. Very rapidly.
Unfortunately this seems the most realistic scenario.
Of all the various ways to provide emergency rescue assistance, it appears that they've included almost nothing which would help them in the event of an underwater failure that prevented surfacing (i.e. emergency ballast release failing).
My understanding of this is limited to the two paragraphs on CNN, but there is a process for "classing" vessels. The owners decided not to do so as the process only certified that the vessel itself is safe for use, and does not verify the procedures for operation or the training of the crew. Their logic for not classing was that most ocean failures are the result of poor procedures or poor crew decisions, ignoring entirely that the reason most failures fall into those to cases is because the vessels themselves are vetted (via the classing process) to eliminate the hardware as a failure mode. It's almost poetic that the man in charge of that decision is on the craft.
Also these depths are usually only explored with unmanned drones, not makeshift tuna cans with store parts
Found yes, alive no.
I've heard a lot about oxygen reserves and zero about whether they have enough water for 3+ days.
Don't forget the frigid temperature at that depth...
i honestly don't know if i can imagine a worse way to die than spending days trapped in a tiny tube in the middle of the fucking ocean with people i barely know, slowly suffocating suspended in a gigantic void. i hope they find those guys alive.
There's apparently banging in the area in 30 minute intervals. That's hopeful.
Getting them to the surface within the confines of their remaining oxygen limit is another story....
If you read the articles closely, the banging stopped a long time ago. They had 40hrs of oxygen, max, left on Tuesday, so time is running short.
Supposedly a Navy drone sub has arrived in Newfoundland that is capable of lifting the Titan. But they're really running down to the wire and they still have to locate the sub and get the drone out to the location.
Depends how you look at it. I think it's not hopeful because this implies they are in fact submerged and not on the surface (remember they can't open the hatch from the inside so that has been a perfectly valid scenario as well). That in turn implies they're most likely S.O.L I'm afraid. They have like 24 hours left and haven't even found the sub yet. Getting the logistics done and hauling this one up itself takes a long time.
It can be done. They have equipment and protocols for rescuing people from submerged subs.
Not saying it can't be done, just that the prospects don't appear hopeful to me, especially given they only have around 24 hours of oxygen remaining. They still haven't even located them.. I seriously hope they are rescued, but I think probability is against them unfortunately..
They do, yeah, but not from the depth of the Titanic wreck. If they are truly at the bottom, there is only a small amount of machines that are capable of going that deep. This is all new territory for rescue teams.
I don't think that this is the right question for this community, but I'm not optimistic on their rescue.
Even under ideal conditions, the ocean is enormous, and even with all things going well, finding a properly-equipped submarine that wants to be found, can be a bit like a needle in a haystack, at least according to people with more naval experience than I.
I hope that they would be rescued, since suffocating to death in a metal tube that's sealed from the outside seems like rather a horrid way to go, but at the same time, the submersible that is lost was not particularly well equipped. The control system was a wireless game controller which was infamous for having dropout issues. Using controllers is fine and all, since they're often used in commercial and military applications due to their intuitiveness and better ergonomics (plus the manufacturer doesn't have to design and build a new one from scratch), but using one that was infamous for having connection problems was rather tempting fate.
The lost submersible also didn't have anything like an emergency beacon that could be used to locate them, and it was sealed from outside. Even if they managed to resurface, anyone aboard would still be trapped within the tube, unable to get out.
These billionaires just bought themselves something money can't buy, a footnote on a Wikipedia page somewhere that their deaths were loosely related to the Titanic.
Given that every billionaire has blood and suffering on their hands in at least ab abstract fashion and it's hard to feel sorry for them too.
Probably not the worst way to go all things considered.
Sadly I don't think so. This incident was absolutely preventable. Someone warned them about this and they got fired. A makeshift vessel that wasn't inspected/certified, immersed to almost 3 times the rated depth, controlled by a wireless Logitech gamepad from 2010 with no redundancy and only 96 hours of oxygen. I really really hope for a last minute miracle though...
unlikely. sub rescues are hardly successful. Their sub could have imploded, fast way to die. Had a power failure wich would takes days to die either from a lack of o2 or possibly the cold. Or it reached the surface and they got to look out at thet ocean until about noon their time tomorrow unable to open the hatch and slowly die from a lack of air.
I'm a bit confused that this is receiving so much attention. What's so special about this case compared to all the other cases of people being lost at sea every year, besides them being rich?
Honestly, this case is somewhat extraordinary, in a deeply disturbing way.
First there was this amazing quote from the CEO who is missing on the craft right now
"You know, at some point, safety is just pure waste," Rush told CBS' David Pogue during an episode of his "Unsung Science" podcast. "I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed, don't get in your car, don't do anything. At some point, you're going to take some risk, and it really is a risk-reward question."
Second, aside from being made from questionable experimental materials, the sub was being controlled by an old, off brand xbox controller. There were numerous design and safety issues that were known at the time of departure. They kinda just did whatever in the F they wanted to. It's a millionaire game of Fuck Around and Find Out and they're not used to finding out.
Third, the damage waiver
The disclaimer, read out by CBS correspondent David Pogue, read: “This experimental submersible vessel has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body, and could result in physical injury, disability, emotional trauma, or death.”
A nervous-looking Pogue makes a face and says, “Where do I sign?” in the footage recorded when he went on the $250,000 (£195,000) trip to see the Titanic at the end of last year.
I get that it's just some rich idiots (and one of their kids) crossing the river styx, but it's not very often you see such amazing disregard for basic safety.
I don't get why the Logitech controller is so focused on. I get that it's probably not the right controller due to it's age and wireless only nature but COTS parts are often more reliable than in-house ones. The lack of certification as you mentioned is a much larger issue.
Any game controller, would be insufficient to put 5 peoples lives in danger.
If you were going to use a game controller to do so anyway, you'd use one that can be easily replaced, maybe something manufactured in the past decade. That F710 is old (2011) and honestly didn't rate all that well compared to other controllers of it's time. It's wireless, adding needless risk.
The certification is all part of it. The control systems need to have backups. The gamepad aspect is interesting because it's blatantly spitting in the face of safety which seemed to be the CEO's style anyway.
Would it have been better than a new xbox controller? I'm not sure, perhaps not if it the new one was at least wired.
dear God just think if the part that failed was the controllers batteries
I wouldn't trust that controller for a dungeon run in the Elder Scrolls Online and here's this dude visiting the Titanic in person with one. They did say he has backups on board, though.
I just ... can't
I work on robotics and drones for the military and we use game controllers for teleoperation all the time. There are some times we use more rugged and robust controllers, but they are essentially just expensive, yellow Playstation controllers with e-stop buttons on the bottom (look up Fort robotics controller).
I think you'd be surprised at how often the military uses game controllers for mission critical tech. The convergent design of game controllers has kind of solved the problem of minimal, handheld, input-output machines that are capable of commanding difficult procedures.
They have money
They did have money but the people involved Tham Luang cave rescue didn't and that received a ton of attention. Similarly with the Chilean miners stuck underground for 2 months. You also have Kathy Fiscus (an old story but well known at the time) and Nutty Putty caving incident. There is no shortage of similar stories about people getting stuck in places that received wide attention.
The fact they are they rich is only really influencing where they ended up and how they got there.
the quality of the sub really triggers my schadenfreude
For me, it's because this situation is a nightmare situation. I can't think of many more aweful ways to go. There is a chance that right now people are dying in a tube at the bottom of the ocean. Slowly. Or even worse, they could be on the surface. Able to see out their window but suffocating to death just hoping to see a ship come by. Maybe they saw a ship and it passed by. Maybe they died instantly is a rapid collapse.
I dunno, it's just the epitome of horror. I keep finding myself thinking about possibilities and what it's be like and what I'd do.
More mysterious. Spookier. Generally more novel. Like you said, people get lost at sea all the time. People rarely get lost thousands of miles below sea.
Nah, it's only 4km. If they weren't lazy billionaires, they'd get out and walk home.
One thing I can say is if they ever do find the sub intact, its very likely these guys recorded their last hours on their phones and we are very likely to see that at some point.. talk about nightmare fuel.
It being so completely ridiculous. If a boat sinks, it just sinks... bad luck.
But this was some crazy person using some jerry-rigged submarine and then rich people actually trusting that.
No. Chances are high that that submarine just imploded in a millisecond and they just instantly died. Why else would it stop sending pings and completely dissappear otherwise?
I cant speak for myself but i think communication in general is a very well understood topic. If that fails you can just assume everyone is dead. I am not sure if the banging is real tho or if it was something else
Power failure?
Power failure is my guess too, then they would have just drifted down to the bottom and froze to death in a few hours. Terrible way to die.
Rescued? Maybe. Rescued alive? Doubtful.
I think thats referred to as "recovered"
A matter of perspective, you see.
You cannot rescue a dead body. Those are retrieved.
I mean, yes. But there's really no point in arguing the semantics right now.
I wonder who started it
Seeing the construction of the submersible, I would not have ridden it... As soon as the inventer said "I got these from, uh, camper world.." I would be scurrying the hell out of that thing...
Apparently the acrylic viewing window was not rated for that depth, and the body of the submersible is constructed from carbon fiber... That whole rig seems sketchy as hell to me...
I mean, I agree that the construction is sketchy (runs the whole thing from an off-brand playstation controller? Couldn't splurge on the $800 for a real cassette toilet?), but acrylic and carbon fiber are appropriate material choices, if they were used in the appropriate thicknesses and configurations.
this video's journalists even are like "dude this is incredibly scuffed", those scientists with them should be considered heroes in some sense
It really depends on how they went. Sudden implosion of the hull, quick and easy.
Floating around for days until your air runs out, wondering if someone will find you... Not so much.
I read somewhere when air runs out you just fall asleep
I imagine it's prolly hours of gasping for breath before that though.
depends if they can get rid of the carbon dioxide.
if there's a constant low carbon dioxide atmosphere in the sub, they'll suffocate peacefully, as humans can't detect lack of oxygen, just too much carbon dioxide.
That's why you go moronic in a decompression in an airplane, body doesn't get enough oxygen, but can get rid of the carbon dioxide, and you don't notice you're suffocating
Sadly, I think they are screwed, they either imploded, they are trapped and dying/dead somewhere with no means of rescue, or possibly surfaced with no comms and stranded somewhere. They ded.
I watched a news segment on these subs before this event, and the "door" is one of the caps which is bolted on from the outside. Even if they surfaced, they'd be trapped inside until they run out of oxygen...
Here's the video
Wow what a nightmare scenario. You have an emergency and surface only to find no one around. You look outside and see the sun so all is well but damn the radio isn’t working and you spend your remaining time running out of oxygen staring out at the horizon.
Folks, the Titan submersible is a capsule that travelers are sealed into ** from the outside.** The passengers could be adrift on the surface, the air could run out, and they could theoretically suffocate on the surface. It's locked with bolts from the outside. Yeah, the 96 hours of oxygen could be stretched if the passengers conserved their oxygen. That is, if they are not a part of the debris field that was located near the Titanic. Each passing minute now is increasingly likely to change this from rescue to recovery.
A couple things are potentially different from how op laid them out. (From my understanding)
The vessel was designed to automatically begin resurfacing after a set period of time underwater, even without pilot input, so it might not be very deep at all. The problem is it doesn't sit very high in the water and is very hard to see.
They don't necessarily have 2 days of oxygen left, those were calculated values, and there may be other gaseous build ups that impair the totally oxygen supplies.
I hope it was over quickly for them, I don't know how you could resurface that type of vessel without breaking it. I hope we will find evidence and be able to piece together what happened, but I suspect it'll just be lost at sea. I don't think there's any conspiracy up keep evidence away from the public, I think most people underestimate how difficult it is to find 4 cubic meters inside a 10 cubic kilometer area, hell that would be hard without that area being covered in water.
Isn't there an automatic beacon that transmits when on the surface?
And why isnt it tethered?
I'm gonna go out on limb and say they're no longer with us.
Yeah I don't think you're very far out on that limb. The likelihood of successful rescue is extremely low.
I can't really believe anybody would spend $250K on a submarine expedition with the guy in charge of Ocean Gate, and his incredibly cavalier attitude toward safety.
Yea when I first heard about this I kinda just wrote them off tbh. The ocean is massive and moving, plus they're in a glorified, malfunctioning, soup can.
I've never heard of the guy, but I can imagine based on that description jeez.
"It's all apart of the experience" probably.
Maybe for a camping trip, but not this lol. Your already completely and literally out of your element.
I've heard somewhere it's easier and safer to explore deep space than to explore the deep ocean.
I mean just superficially space is 0 atmospheres of pressure and sea level is 1. Compare that to the many hundreds of bars of pressure at the bottom of the ocean.
The distance is greater when exploring space but there's nothing there. No currents or waves or storms or sharks... Just nothingness.
I wonder...is that only because we use probes? Or is it something to do with atmospheric pressure? Like I'm assuming water is heavier than space so even if you had a space suit on underwater you'd still get crushed or eaten by some big ass squid.
I'd love if a scientist could weigh in on this.
My layperson understanding is that with space you only have to have something robust enough to keep the atmospheric pressure in (as well as other considerations of course) which allows for less robust materials. For deep sea exploration you need something robust enough to keep the water pressure out.
For additional info: 10 metres of water depth is approximately equivalent to 1 atmosphere's worth of pressure (ATM) - so 50 metres is 5ATM and so on and so forth. So theoretically a submarine would have to combat hundreds of ATMs of pressure, whereas a space craft only has to combat at most a couple of ATM.
In the ISS a minor hole can be patched pretty easily and quickly as it's a slow leak of air out, however if a leak occurs in a submarine the results can be explosive and deadly.
Thank you, yes this is what I had in my head, I appreciate you wording it properly, with examples!
So, I'm not a scientist, but I've watched plenty of space and ocean documentaries because it's interesting to think about, so I'm pretty qualified, right? So, space is actually the opposite of heavy. It's a vacuum, so the vessels designed to operate there have to deal with holding pressure IN, instead of out. Also, there's no big ass squid in space to eat you, lmao.
Being realistic, they're probably gonna all be dead, and may never be found
The sub will never be found is my guess too.. its a huge ocean and with no beacon, its just another lump.
I think they are gone. Safety regulations are a thing for a reason.
At this point, I'd be surprised if they were ever found. Assuming the sub is still intact and not wondering aimlessly, the sheer size of the search area makes it difficult to find the sub.
I'm not familiar with the mechanics of this sub obviously, but I'm given to understand that an emergency ascent should have been initiated by this point if everything was fully functional. That probably points to a design flaw - you should always keep those systems as independent of each other as possible so that if one fails, you can fall back on the other. Of course it's possible that they've since ascended and haven't been found, or got stuck, but assuming they haven't that could imply that the sub experienced an insurmountable failure and they're looking for people who are either gone or near-unrescuable.
Highly doubt it. I've been watching coverage and it seems pretty unlikely they will be found before their oxygen runs out (assuming they are even still alive and haven't died as a result of an implosion).
What irks me with all the coverage, however, is that no one is pointing out the potential harm to all the people involved in trying to rescue these people. The Coast Guard and other outfits undertaking the rescue attempts are put in danger the whole time they are out there. And of course there's the cost involved as well.
That's the coast guards job isn't it? Should we just let people die without attempting to save them just because it's costly?
No but I believe there should be consequences for things like this if they are found alive.
There will absolutely be consequences for the company, no matter if they are found alive
I don't like billionaires but of course I wish for their miracle survival. As unlikely as it seems.
And if they don't make it, I hope it was a quick and painless death for all of them...
Short answer: no
Long answer: NOOOOOOOOOOO
I've read that the sub in question was only rated for 1300 ft, and they were taking it on dives of up to 4000 ft. Unless the sub surfaced as part of a safety protocol, there is an exceedingly high probability that the sub imploded and killed everybody.
It's 1300 meters and 4000 meters. That's around 4000 feet and 12000 feet, respectively.
The Titanic is at like 12,500 ft deep though
I think people are confusing meters and feet.
https://techcrunch.com/2023/06/20/a-whistleblower-raised-safety-concerns-about-oceangates-submersible-in-2018-then-he-was-fired
That should be criminal negligence.
I don't see this company existing any more, but I hope the family members can go after the CEO's estate.
Nope sadly a 250k coffin
With all the news I keep hearing. I dont think they will survive. I guess thats one less billionaires in the world. Probaby for the better.
The horrid reddit takes are leaking into lemmy. I don't like most billionaires but you really think they deserve suffocating in a small metal cylinder? You don't even know these people
Yes. They wouldn't hesitate to do the same to you if they thought it would help their portfolio. There isn't a billionaire out there that hasn't exploited people for money.
Sorry, about that I made the joke during late night after work. But been looking into to it lately background of this guy. I can't help do hate billionaires because they are basically dragons, similar what we see in lord of the rings movie, smaug, they bend the rules, they exploit, they hoard so much money, their death could mean chance for the wealth to be distributed it could be to their families or if a good chance to their whatever charity, or perhaps to the government and lastly maybe to the people who need those money.
Now for this person apparently his pushing for deregulation against submersible imagine that? Those rules where there because experts knew the dangers, now the danger bite him back.
https://nypost.com/2023/06/21/oceangate-ceo-stockton-rush-once-complained-of-industrys-obscenely-safe-regulations/
It even failed quality inspection and they fired the person who did that.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehamilton/2023/06/21/oceangate-employee-warned-of-major-safety-issues-with-titan-sub-in-2018-he-was-soon-fired/?sh=e8882c2160aa
I mean, I hope they survive but I'm not holding my breath.
This comment had me gasping.
way to sink my mood
I think there's a chance they succumbed to hypothermia long before they ran out of oxygen.
I don't like millionaires/billionaires but I wouldn't wish that kind of harrowing ordeal on anyone. I hope they survive somehow.
Idk sounds pretty bad to me
My understanding is that chances are slim to none. I understand that whatever malfunction happened that cut the contact, has some likelihood to have been a much greater malfunction than just radio, and that they’ve quite possibly already been dead a while.
And even if not, my understanding is that they’re scanning a massive swath of sea and it’s very much a needle-in-a-haystack situation. I wouldn’t be surprised if the only reason such an unlikely operation is taking place, is because the people involved can afford it.
They didn't have radio communication. Water is really good at blocking all signals.
I told my wife last night that I was glad to be broke for once in my life, lol
I don't care how much money I had, there's no fucking way I would have gotten on that thing or done anything that involved going down into the ocean at that depth.
I would never allow someone to bolt me into a capsule I couldn't manually exit. That sort of shit is insanely naive.
I think it’s a mentality that people tend to develop when they are insanely wealthy. This notion that because they have extreme wealth, nothing can touch them. I know a family who is very wealthy. The father does things all the time (extreme adventures and travel) that just seems incredibly dangerous. He seems unaware that these little adventures present danger that not even all the money in the world could save him from.
Yeah, I mean, even if your job is literally dangerous as fuck, you can get tripped up for the easiest thing. See: Michael Schumacher
So like... A plane?
I think we all hope they get rescued but if they are on the bottom of the ocean the odds are not in their favor. Even if they are located in time it will take forever to attach a line to the craft and pull it up.
Why didn't they have a plan of action for this? Why did they not think to put a location beacon on the craft, or a means of communication????
A swedish submarine officer put it bluntly in an interview today, and i paraphrase: "most likely it developed a crack and instantly decompressed like a crushed soda can"
This is least painful/scary way for them to die. It'd be an instantaneous death.
High pressure under water does weird things
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=kWVvI4Aw-kc
I think you meant to say imploded. Decompression is when you have saturation diving bells instantly lose pressure from something like 8atm to 1atm. Look up byford dolphin.
Normally I wouldn't sympathize with billionaires, but what a horrible way to die! Sadly I don't think they'll be rescued.
Certainly it is possible that they surfaced once they lost connection though... Even so, the search areas are huge
They're reporting hearing bangs underwater, so hopefully at least one of them is still alive.
They forgot to charge the pad and didn’t bring the USB cable, so no. They’re doomed, unfortunately.
I think they are dead right now, probably the sub just imploded
Because of the sound signals I don't think they imploded
Is it weird that I legit thought you were talking about Reddit?
Either way I hope someone like James Cameron makes a movie about it. A 21st century Das Boot could be good
They are lost. Even if they found them alive, they can't transfer them off the vehicle. they are even bolted in. the shell is made from 5 inch thick spun titanium carbon fiber with a bonded ring and a metal cap on each end. the pressure vessel most probably shattered then everything got squished.
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Probably not. Pretty shitty way to go out to be honest.
Nope.
Wow, it's confirmed. Honestly so grateful they had an immediate and painless death. Imagine sitting in complete darkness for 4 days waiting to suffocate.
The only outcome we can be sure of at this point is that the company responsible for this mess is going to have to answer a lot of questions.
The ceo is aboard the "sub," so it might be one of the few times a ceo actually gets punished for being an asshole.
And some massive lawsuits to handle.
I think there already is one. There was a guy working for that company who was fired for whistleblowing after the ceo ignored his safety concerns, and now that employee is going after the company for wrongful termination.
That ceo knew it was dangerous but still decided to drag 4 other people to a watery grave
Unlikely. Even if they could find the sub, safely raising it or somehow docking with it would take too long. They’re almost out of oxygen, so that thing is a sarcophagus at this point.
Thing probably breached. And imploded. Insta death. I was reading that the acrylic window was only rated to 1,300 m (4,300 ft).
That thing was a joke. They used a game controler for steering and everything but the hull itself was the cheapest crap one can imagine according to the BBC…
Well, they've got 9 hours and 20 minutes of oxygen supply left as of this post.
I think the sub imploded hours after they lost connection.
Seems like this was most likely the case.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65967464
Wishing death on people is a very garbage take
I don't know that you can really call it wishing. I think that deed is done.
If you want to get up on a high horse, how about this instead of some billionaire?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/17/world/greece-boat-worst-ever-tragedy-mediterranean-sea-intl-hnk/index.html
There are few enough billionaires who got there by being a good person that one could easily assume that number was effectively zero. Not saying they deserve death, but your hyperbole isn't helping.
Strange question... did you post it in 'no stupid questions' for a specific reason?
If they're found in time, they'll be rescued.
If not, and they don't surface, they won't.
It's been stated that there's a very high chance that they won't be found.
It's also been stated that they had drop-weights, so it seems they didn't drop those, or they got trapped - which means they'd be much harder to find as they aren't out in the open.
There's also a good chance they imploded already - which is an alternative explanation for them failing to drop weights and start to surface.
When will the movie come out?
Titanic 2
Maybe more like
Titan: Curse of the Titanic
What a horrible way to go. Hopefully rescuers succeed.
That being said, judging by the photo, if they are still viewing everything through a screen, what was the point going down with the submarine and not just sending a robot with a video feed?
I'm pretty sure this picture is taken from outside the viewport judging form the vignetting around the photo
At this point, no. As I'm writing this comment, they barely have an hour of oxygen left. Yeah, they're dead for sure.
If you're dumb enough to wedge yourself into a sardine can then you may as well sleep with the fishes
THey dead
They fucked.
Oh dear - that'll use up even more oxygen.
If they're deep down, it's unlikely. A good outcome would be something failed, but they could get up and are now lost on the surface, but from everything we've read about this it doesn't seem likely either.
The submersible was suppose to automatically lose it's ballast and surface on it's own in an emergency situation, and that didn't happen. A reasonable explanation for this is that it imploded.
Could the sub be stuck? Maybe they tried to get into the Titanic through a hole or something and got stuck.
Sadly no. It probably had a leak and everyone was instantly crashed like a pop can…
I don't think it's looking good. If they're at depth, I don't even know how they would be rescued
Do you mean imploding? Because if they didn’t implode, being stuck in a sub for days, slowly waiting to suffocate, ist fucking horrible.
Thats my worst nightmare! Their toilet is just a tiny bottle so they're all gonna be pissing, shitting and puking on each other for days, arguing everytime someone starts hyperventilating. fuck that.
Yeah, it sucks so much, it really can't get much worse. Imagine after probably 36h of absolute terror, you finally fall asleep for a while. You dream about something nice, only to wake up again in this tube of desolation, realizing that you reached your final destination.
I would say that all reasonable efforts should be made to rescue or recover anyone and everyone who has gone missing. We can figure out the rest once we exhaust all optons, or have them back on the boat.
Reasonable efforts? Is it reasonable to send out several militaries and spend endless taxpayer money to rescue a bunch of idiots out joyriding?
To me it seems like a good "excuse" for an exercise for those militaries?
If they're not already dead, they're going to be soon. The capsule has no hatch and can't be located, let alone dragged back to the surface. They were fucked the second they bolted that death trap shut.
Probably not but shit to hear them die in a sub cool place to die tho
Doubt that these guys will be found alive. Maybe in a few years someone will find their submarine
And have a submarine ride for that one.
Making me think of Lake Superior's perfectly preserved victims and shipwrecks.
Almost a dark tourism attraction. People get in trouble for exploring the wrecks.
The rescue would be miraculous. So, no. Sadly.
My guess is no. The delay in getting the search up and running. Time to search. Something went wrong, likely that didn't help them live. I'm sure they'll find the coffin and recover it.
With the current situation, no. If by some miracle they can restore communication to the surface then they might be able to call for help to pinpoint their location, otherwise it's likely death for them.
I think a better question would be "Should they be rescued?". Billionaires are a stain on humanity. You simply do not need that much wealth for any valid purpose.
True, but there's also a pilot who's just doing his job. I'm also a little iffy on the 19 year old kid. Idc about the rest though
the pilot is the CEO iirc
I have plenty of criticisms about billionaires, but saying we should just let them die is going too far.
They are presented with the same choice every single day to condemn people to die by hoarding their unfathomable wealth. Anyone of them could singlehandedly end all deaths from polio or TB, but instead every single day they decide that the idea of only being worth $2 million dollars is so horrifying that they'd rather allow the deaths to continue unabated.
Same as the other responses I have given. I think we should make as much of an effort as we can for anyone. It doesn't mean I have like them, or what they do with their money.
After they've milked the rest of humanity to amass all that wealth, your solution is to spend more money on going to get them? They fucked around and found out.
It's not an easy question, but I don't think it's about just choosing to stand idly by while they're dying. Finding and recovering the sub would be an incredibly difficult and expensive operation. It might not apply to you specifically, but if someone thinks that the government should try to save these people, regardless of the cost, I think it raises the question why we're letting other people die from preventable causes. Perhaps you disagree with current politics and think the government should do everything to save both rich and poor alike, but IMO if a multi-million $ rescue operation had been launched, it would've been a reminder that we, as a society, are letting other people die.
I don't think a persons socioeconomic status should be a determining factor of how much effort, and money we spend to save lives. We should do as much as we are able for anyone, and, yes, it is a reminder that we are letting other people die. I wish we as a society was better about that.
Edit: forgot a word 'factor'
I think if someone wants to dive to the wreckage of the Titanic again, they should ask the Russians for the Mir bathyscaphe, which definitely works reliably.
I have no idea, but saw someone on the news saying that the chance is not high that they recover it in time
I think the boat got crushed and they died on the first day its terrible but at least they probably died before they even knew they had a problem
nope. with the amount of time they've been down there so far and the volume of space inside the thing, they would have exhaled enough CO2 to have all at least lost consciousness if not suffocated
I thought I read they had CO2 scrubbers and enough o2 to extend their life support to 96 hours or so, is that not the case?
Though thinking, if they lost power the scrubbers won't function without manually pumping air through and who knows if that's a possibility. I would specify two backups for the scrubber power along with other mitigation, but the way this has gone I am confident they have nothing like that.
I don't think they will survive. What a horrible way to go. :(
"currently stuck" is a euphemism - they are dead. They are gone.
From what I've heard by experts, no. That chance is now extremely slim. Basically they then need to be found on the water surface. It's a complex logistical challenge to lift a submersible at these incredible depth. I think certainly not done over a day or two even working around the clock.
And what's worse now is they've apparently heard banging noises which indicates they are submerged. :-(
Is this the actual sub? It's just a tube, this looks awful.
I'm not sure that they have a 5 star restaurant built in... but obviously, deep sea subs need to be smaller in size or they just won't work.
Nope and never did.
Negative. I don’t think we’ll even find wreckage, and if we do, reaching it will be difficult and expensive.
At this point, I think they have less than 24 hours of air left, so I highly doubt they'll be alive when/if the sub is found
The cognitive dissonance displayed here is appalling. So many envious and evil fucks showing zero empathy for other humans dying a terrible death just because they have more money. Jesus fuck, people. If your life view makes you that uncaring of other humans then you need to pick a new life view or start getting on submarines yourself. You sit on the internet gleefully relishing in the deaths of others like that makes you more compassionate of poor people somehow?
Gross. You people are gross.
Hundreds of migrants drowned in the Mediterranean like not even more than a few days ago and I've seen at least 20x more of this kind of sentiment for a handful of rich dudes that wanted to go visit the titanic in a un-certified pringles can created by a company that recently fired it's director of marine operations because he wouldn't sign off on the safety of this thing. Their company website says they are not certified because certification impedes innovation 😵💫
Like I saw on Twitter yesterday these dudes are the deadest that anyone has ever been, whether you cry-yell at people on the internet for not being sufficiently crestfallen or not
It's amazing how much manufactured empathy you can buy with money
Yeah sickens me all the news goes on and on about this and the effort to rescue those rich fucks.
But silence when hundreds die but weren't rich. Sucks but they were stupid to go into that thing.
I think they discovered the crush depth of their sub was a little shallower than they thought it would be, and are all already dead. The search team says they heard a banging sound, but they’re next to a huge old wreck full of old garbage that is a probably the source of a lot of banging sounds.
is it even possible to hear a banging noise if the banging is coming from inside the submarine?
Best thing they can do is for most of them to go to sleep and conserve oxygen. Good luck sleeping while afraid for your life though.
I think the difference is in knowing where the capsized ship is and having a survivor count at all.
Meanwhile it’s a race against time for an unknown location of a submersible that sits in a relatively rare class for depth.
I’m not that hopeful but regardless of who they are, it’s a rather distressing thought putting yourself in anyone’s shoes from either incident.
This article goes into the enormous amount of resources being deployed to find this submersible.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65957990
It does not mention how to rescue them.. How would you even rescue them?
I just checked the BBC news website. The sub wreckage has been found. They are confirmed deceased.
Interestingly, they're saying that the Titan imploded but that they're "believed to be dead."
I guess you need even more evidence to pronounce someone officially dead.
It's not like an airplane where if you find a wing you might find some survivors down the road.
If you find a submarine window there are no survivors down the road waiting and waving flags at 5000 meters under the surface of the water.
No.
My guess is money will save them. I'm only slightly joking
Nope. Our orca friends made sure of it.
All hail our orca overlords!
Out of the loop. What's about orcas? I've been reading comments about them but I don't see the relation.
I don't think that it's quite directly related to submarines or anything, but there seems to be a recent trend within the orca community that has them ripping the rudders off of boats, after an orca was hit/injured by one. The others started pulling them off too, and it's behaviour that spread to other pods.
It's unclear whether this is something that will keep going, or whether it's just a fad of theirs, like wearing a dead fish on their head, which was something that was observed back in 1987.
No, they're already dead. Most likely the sub cracked under the water pressure, instakilling them. Or they froze to death. Or they ran out of air; they have oxygen but no CO2 scrubber.
I hadn't considered freezing to death. What I a nightmare
they lost contact about half way down wich means yeah it could have been a quick squish of a death
There were banging sounds picked up at 30 min intervals in the area, it's since stopped but my understanding is those indicated they were still alive "somewhere" at the time
yeah IF they made those sounds
Poor pilot :(
the pilot is/was the sub company's CEO. He'd fired the whistleblower who's pointed out the sub's faults.
fired AND tried to sue him for "leaking company information"
Good phrasing.
That's some karma.
According to David Lochridge (their Director of Marine Operations who was fired and sued for whistleblowing), the passenger viewport was only certified for depths of up to 1,300 meters (4,265 feet), and OceanGate would not pay for the manufacturer to build a viewport certified for 4,000 meters, the depth at which the Titanic rested. .
https://apnews.com/article/titanic-missing-submersible-lawsuit-oceangate-0e5fc9a0313938fdf408b1459538d9ef
I don't understand...
So, the CEO knows this, decided against upgrading the viewpoint putting his giga wealthy customers at risk, who likely could sue him or just straight up ruin him, decided to go with it anywa, AND boarded the sub himself.
My brain doesn't comprehend this logic.
My sense is that this is a guy who has (had) gotten very, very lucky in life and mistook that for genius and infallibility. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out that he has broken the law in many instances.