Murder victim Kelly Wilkinson repeatedly visited police in fear. They said she was ‘cop shopping’
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Exclusive: Family calls for inquest, saying Wilkinson visited police ‘almost every day’ before she was murdered by her husband in 2021
The police are worse than useless.
Nooo. Like their cars say, they're there to protect and to serve and-... Oh, I see how they may have slipped up on this one. And maybe in a few other incidents... Regularly... All the time...Okay, you have a point.
They should change it to "reject and swerve".
Protect capitalist interests and serve the capitalist agenda. Steal from a wal mart? Multi unit response. Shoot up a school, light your wife on fire so she burns to death horrifically? Not worth the effort
Seems like false advertising. Cease and desist! If not, should be forced to add disclaimer everywhere, stating the fact that they're not actually legally required to "protect and serve" anyone in particular. And will not be personally liable for any damages (like shooting your dog when they raid the wrong house).
They'd do well in consulting then!
They should take a page from senator and yell your attacking me, but add bullets to the mix, ya know?
Let's just stick at the end of that phrase a needed word:
Money
Protect and serve the wealthy class
That's why they often put it quotes for plausible deniability: "we just put that on our cars 'cause we heard some guy say it once."
There was a story on reddit about a ex husband sending death threat letters and police said, "unless you're being raped or dead, we can't help you."
Send those letters to a cops wife or daughter and I guarantee they do something
Those are just letters from the cop to their wife or daughter...
"cop shopping" is also known as "finding a needle in a haystack" or "the one cop that will do the minimum of their job".
I’m curious what the cops could have actually done given existing legislation.
Were they able to arrest and detain him because he was in breach of the AVO or can’t they do anything?
If they could have done something and didn’t then they should be held accountable.
If the law is written such that they couldn’t arrest him then I’m not sure what could have changed.
It’s a frustrating thing.
This is such a weak argument. The police have a wide latitude in their discretion in the way they execute the law and almost no individual liability for any actions they take (e.g. murder, theft, rape, etc.), especially when they fear for their own lives or think someone may have broken an imaginary law that only exists inside their own head. But, when someone needs actual help and protection, suddenly their hands are tied by red tape? It's more than frustrating, it's straight up Orwellian doublespeak.
I don’t disagree with you in principle but I don’t want to have a situation where police detain people on the off chance they may commit a future crime.
That’s a recipe for disaster.
In this case though it could be argued that the police releasing him on bail was a mistake and the courts should have made the call.
His point stands though.
For the same reason why people sit through the CSR saying to power cycle and check the cords... Everyone has red tape they know they have to go through for their jobs. Domestic abuse cases are especially under scrutiny. Hell in my state, they HAVE to arrest someone if they show up.
Almost all of these cases stand with a crux on 1st amendment issues. Until they receive direct threats with times and 'hows', then it's file a restraining order. For murderers though, it means nothing. Police aren't exactly funded enough to plant a cruiser in front of her house too unless they think it's imminent.
You could hire a bodyguard, but good luck if you're remotely poor.
There's also small merit to saying well go get a gun! You have to sleep sometimes. Only so many cameras you can put up in your home and you miss a notification.
Few people can afford a name change and just up and move. Most can't even do that due to the legal system restricting where you can if you have children with them.
Simply put, someone who's not full on dumb can murder anyone if they really wanted to. It's just something every society hates thinking about.
With weekly break-ins, they could have watched the place and arrested whoever is breaking in for, you know, the crime of breaking and entering. They could have further gotten a protective order against the dude and then watched the place again after he left jail.
She didn't report the break-in once.
He was found sufficiently suspicious/liable enough in the initial investigation to warrant being arrested and given a formal charge, but still released on bail.
They saw what he was doing to her, agreed enough to charge him with a crime, and then released him, with details of her complaints to the police in hand. DVO + this new offense should have been obvious that he has reoffend - the police’s behavior was completely negligent
Are you saying that police released him on bail?
Article clearly says:
I’m not a lawyer, nor an Australian lawyer, but a quick search seems that “watch house bail” is the term for “released on bail/bond” equivalent - hence the prior link to the Queensland government website.
In that case then yeah they screwed up.
They could've arrested him
I know someone who helps run a series of shelters, where people in fear of abuse can hide. It’s not the cops, but cops sometimes send people their way. They have an ever-changing set of safe houses, and my friend can’t even say where she works in case one of the locations gets out.
I have no idea how they connect with victims though
When I tried to report my suspicions that my ex was abusing my kids, I was told by DCFS to stop stirring up trouble or I would lose custody.
Years later, my kids are old enough to be listened to, and the DA office still chose not to prosecute because it's he-said-she-said. Both kids have mental health issues stemming from child abuse that I have to deal with on a daily basis, all while trying to juggle my mental health as a previous abuse victim from the same man.
And then they say that victims fail to report. Well, duh. It's often safer not to.
My sister ended up losing custody for the same thing.
I begged her not to do it because I knew exactly how it would go. I said, “Seriously, you’re in a custody dispute. They’re going to treat you like you’re making this up. Wait. Be patient. I know it sucks. It just isn’t the right time for it.”
The kid is very autistic and he sits and yells at himself now, “You’re just bad Adam! You do this on purpose Adam! That’s for girls Adam! You’re not a girl Adam! You’re just a troublemaker Adam!” I wish I could remember what my mom told me he was yelling at himself about the other day, she was in tears.
I don’t know. It’s a sad situation. Her ex definitely has better resources for dealing with him (financially, which is a lot with autism as bad as his) but I can’t imagine him yelling criticisms at himself all the time if my sister didn’t lose him. He was allowed to express himself and dance and play dress up before. He don’t have that any more. Because he likes Disney princesses a lot and she had photographed him playing with dolls and things, they made a big deal about that in this small town.
Sad situation.
I wasn't even in a dispute. I had full custody, and he had minimum visitation, which was still half the kids' free time. And he had been convicted of domestic violence.
That poor, sweet child. We are failing our children in the guise of parent's rights.
My sister has been through it, she really has.
The guardian ad litem hates her guts and has practically dragged her through hell.
When Adam was about 3 it really became clear that something was off with him. You couldn’t get his attention unless he wanted you to have it. He’d run in circles for long periods of time. I joined him once and I started running in the other direction and he lost his shit.
He started taking shirts and using them like wigs and singing Disney songs, and it was a huge leap in his development so my sister got him some wigs. It wasn’t just princess wigs, he had a bunch of them. Short hair, long hair, Halloween costumes as Batman, but he really gravitated toward the princess stuff. She didn’t put a limit on him or encourage one thing or the other. The ex said, “you’re gonna make him gay letting him wear that stuff.” My sister’s response was, “He isn’t going to have much of an opportunity for a sexuality, you’re overreacting.” And in truth, I can’t see him ever having a life where he’s going to be dating and things like that. It just isn’t going to happen. He communicates his needs, but he isn’t ever going to be able to be independent.
And even if he could, he makes his own decisions. When it’s time to pick out his clothes, he doesn’t try to wear dresses. It’s just an outlet for him while he plays. He understands that he’s just reenacting what he sees. He likes what he likes.
Well, once the guardian ad litem heard about that, it was 100% what she focused on. She said in court that my sister was encouraging him to be a girl and confusing him. She went in and photographed his costumes, purposely leaving out the cowboy and superhero stuff, the pompadour, the ninja turtles. She photographed the princess stuff and the dolls.
It’s a bummer. I’m not gonna lie, the first time I seen him twirling around singing “Let it Go” in a blonde wig, it made me uneasy. But seeing him smile and laugh when he usually sits expressionless was huge.
It sucks that we put so much into our roles in this world that a happy kid has to question his happiness when so many doors are closed to him already because of his condition. It really does.
I can't understand how people can be this ignorant and stupid...
I always want to ask, "so the only reason you're a straight man is because you played with GI Joe?"
Because that would explain a lot about why you protest so strongly.
This is a great response that I'm gone a steal the next timee someone has an issue with my son carrying around an Elsa doll
You may have meant this more of an expression of shock, regardless it is good to think about the question. Hope you don't mind if I run with it for the general discussion.
Babies and children have an innate desire to learn, which can be nourished or beaten down. If it's beaten down long enough, "Ignorant" may become that child's preferred state as they get older, for reasons of domestic safety and social norms.
This lack of respect for knowledge and the accompanying lack of knowledge makes things that are outside someone's worldview threatening. They respond as if it was a threat and the cycle continues.
It is supposed to be the job of schools to rescue children from that cycle, by providing them with a space where they can be curious and not have to worry about a bigoted family member coming down on them. Sometimes they succeed but I think more often they don't, especially in areas where bigotry is rampant and/or where schools are underfunded or beholden to antisocial policies and laws.
I'm on a long bus ride, hence the exposition :)
You go give that kid a hug on my behalf and tell him he's allowed to like all the Disney princesses he wants right now goddamnit
And another hug from me too goddammit
"Cop Shopping" is a gross term for them not doing their job. They never prevent or protect anything.
Wasn't there some sort of ruling a while back that said the police are under no obligation to serve and protect, which is why that's no longer on their cars and stuff?
Edit: Found it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html
Edit 2: My bad, the article is for Australia so this doesn't apply. I'm so used to seeing this sort of thing is the US news.
The usa there have bern many rurlings stating it is legal for cops to do nothing.
Uvalde school shooting is one example.
Agreed, support 2A and depend upon yourself.
The article is about things that happened in Australia 🙄
And Australians have had massive incursions on their gun rights since 2020.
@GhostedIC
That's because we don't see using a gun as a right, just like we don’t see driving a car as a right. They're both activities that are priviledges earned through training and licensing.
@frostysauce
And as a result the number of school shootings is much, much lower than in the US.
Exactly, I bet her loved ones wished she had the right tools to defend herself. Lord knows the police won’t.
Eew keep your gross American opinions to yourself.
No, the 1A means I can share it as much as I want. Freedom of Speech is awesome!
The irony of you tooting about 1A, celebrating your “right” to free speech, based on your ability to post something in a forum where 1A doesn’t apply.
It’s delicious.
Well if you want seconds, I’m still posting.
Offtopic: so these quotes mean you doubt that it is a right too?
1A doesn't apply for what mods do, but it seems mods agree that his opinion belongs here.
1A does apply for him not being prosecuted for saying it anywhere. BTW, things like swatting gun rights' supporters' homes do in effect break 1A.
So there's a valid combination where there's nothing "delicious" in your meaning in his comment - that's if he meant that people in some other countries are more reserved with their opinions online because of fear of being flagged by police. I'd say it has some merit - slippery slopes work in reality.
Also I think I've read something about Australia, refugees, detention and human rights activism of the level a bit more sinister than in US.
You make it sound like thats unique to the US and a foreign concept to the rest of the world.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean you won't face consequences of what you say.
Not saying it is unique, just stating my 1A rights mean I have the freedom to do so.
Only in the US, the least developed nation of the rich world.
So free speech that is constitutionally protected is a sign of an underdeveloped nation? Weird viewpoint but ok you do you.
The US is the only country with a flag on the moon, from where I live I can watch weekly launches into space. Europe depends upon us for manned launches. Our military is also more advanced than any other nation and is globally dominant which reinforces our hegemony.
We are one of the largest energy exporters (which hopefully Biden will curb, I don’t want the US exporting so much Natural Gas and oil that it drives up our ultra low domestic prices and exposes us to higher over seas rates. Preventing further global warming is a good bonus).
Did I mention that our economy is larger and is growing faster than the EU? Nearly forgot that one… https://statisticstimes.com/economy/united-states-vs-eu-economy.php
Seems like we have a few things going for us.
As an American no one cares, you're a fucking idiot, and just shut the fuck up already.
No, I prefer to keep posting.
And we have the freedom to call you out on your American bullshit (that doesn't even work in the US).
Ok, I appreciate the update. I don’t really take the opinions of foreigners seriously so it’s good to know where you stand.
...if you don't "take the opinions of foreigners seriously", then why would you - a foreigner - share your opinion?
Grab both of your brain cells, and use em to find someone more on your level, okay? And trust me, "more on" is wording I'm sure you're familiar with.
Why would you continue to talk to someone who doesn’t take you seriously?
I'm sorry, my "more on" quip was just... Too good.
There's no way you or I can top it. Good day.
If you are amused by that “quip” then you should try sensory deprivation, you’d be rolling on the floor in no time.
The first amendment applies only to government action on your speech. It has nothing to do with your speech on a private website and it doesn't apply outside of the US (even if you'd like to think the US owns the world).
Yeah buddy I’m still posting. Stifling free speech is never a good solution. Maybe you are intimidated by opposing opinions and need some kind of safe space.
I do not.
wow ur so brave 😍
Oh look, an Australian denying reality in favor of ideology. Shocking.
US has the highest domestic violence / death by gun rates in the entire world.
There is no such thing as good guy with a gun. Look at the victory parade just last week. People with guns everywhere just ran away for their lives instead of shooting the bad guy with the gun they love boasting about.
The worst mass shooting in Canada in history was 12 dead. What's the worst death toll in the US?
The last school shooting in Canada was about 20 years ago, when was the last one in the US?
If this Australian couple had guns, 90% chance she would have been shot and killed by beer husband instead of whatever means he used. The police should have done their jobs.
That is the reality.
Yeah! Because domestic abuse is totally not a thing in america. Oh wait.
Domestic abuse is a problem in the US. I believe in empowering victims to have every resource available to escape and defend themselves from abusers.
https://gunsafety.ny.gov/domestic-violence
The supposed tool to defend herself with would have been used to kill her even sooner.
If you need a gun in order to feel safe in your country, you live in a shithole.
If only you supported education, more specifically geography, as much as you pretend to support the Constitution.
No I fully support the constitution and wish the amendments were universal human rights, not just American rights.
A populace with the ability to kill anyone with the press of a button isn't free or safe - it's fearful, which is a dangerous thing to be when you have a gun.
Gestures lazily at gun deaths per capita compared to the rest of the developed world.
There's also the 13th - Slavery is fine so long as we criminalise you. Why the fuck would you want this, exactly?
The deification of the founding fathers - a bunch of slave owners and the like is deeply weird. They had some good ideas... and some atrocious ones.
Odd I have your username labeled as “Gone full ******!” Check your comment history we’ve done this dance before.
Defending slavery isn't getting any less monstrous or dumb.
Lol, you never change WaxedWookie, full ****** is your thing.
I wouldn't be so quick to dish out judgment if my thing were slavery and slurs, but I'm not an obvious piece of shit, so you do you, I guess.
So you want more deaths in the world?
Well I don't.
Any country where you need a gun in order to feel safe is a shithole.
Weird flex but ok. I suppose if you are privileged enough to stay in a country with no violence you should probably stay there.
For everyone else, we like our rights to self defense.
No thanks. You can keep your constitution. Ours isn't perfect either, but I prefer it to yours.
Fuck off. Australia doesn't want or need your freedum bullshit.
She did.
Where the bald eagle swoops in and drops a loaded gun into her hands, yah.
Those of you who automatically dismiss self-defense out of hand: what is your method of self-defense, and why wasn't it used in 1930s Germany?
Something something, hammer and nail
I love the duality of Lemmy users:
“Ohhh nooos we can’t depend upon the police!”
“Ohh nooos how dare someone suggest taking agency for their own safety ! 2A is baddd mmmkay!”
I think the overall sentiment is removing violence as an option for everyone, cops, citizens, and criminals alike
Guns as a thing in this world inherently create death and loss as a result of their existence, not in spite of it
It’s a nice sentiment, I too abhor violence. But the world we live in is just not that way. I prefer to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst in people.
Bark on about how your rights are being taken, maybe when you find your oppressor we can throw a gun in the mix and see who comes out victorious. Waah waah, the powers are holding me down. Let's go get the state to allow more unrestricted access to fire arms, as that's everyone's solution to everything.
Im not sure where your rant came from. I’m not trying to throw a revolution. Just trying to protect me and mine.
https://gunsafety.ny.gov/domestic-violence Go to another thread with this savior attitude.
Are opposing opinions scary to you? Do you need a safe space?
Buddy, you're the one all about the safe space in your domicile with your guns. TF i care about your trolling, you're in a thread about domestic abuse, and have no grasp on the statistics I presented to counter your high and mighty opinion.
Lol, dropping a link in a post does not constitute an argument or a counter to my “high and mighty opinion”. That is a citation.
If you can’t form a coherent argument on your own thats fine, but don’t delude yourself into thinking dropping a link is a substitute.
To be honest I'm truly bored with this discussion. The argument you've given boils down to meaningless pedantry that critiiques ones' presentation over facts, contained in the link I found quickly, with which to dispel the illiterate.
Are you still making a big deal of the link you posted?
So he could have shot her?
Let's just set up a standoff where the husband, wife and one police officer all hold guns to each other. It'll all sort itself out when the dust settles like the wild west. See I can come up with stupid politically motivated solutions too. Stupid, to say a gun will "fix" a situation involving domestic abuse. You hear that 2A'ers, THAT'S STUPID!
You did the ol’Reddit switcharoo. I gotta say it takes a special kind of animal to do that on a thread dealing with a domestic abuse victim.
Just here to keep the -69.
I’ve seen what Lemmy upvotes, I prefer your downvotes.
We'll throw complaining about the calibre of people in the spaces you decide to frequent voluntarily on the pile with the rest of your dumb bullshit.
Are you stalking me Waxed Wookiee? Just an FYI, I don’t plan on paying rent for that tiny headspace of yours.
It's all about you, isn't it? Not as though I've been a presence in this thread or anything.
Best way to avoid me would be to stop posting such aggressively stupid bullshit.
Perhaps you may need your own safe space. But be assured you will find me where a Pro 2A view is needed.
People should indeed be safe from slavery - lead paint too. Shame it seems it's a little late for you on that front.
People should be safe from slavery. Convicted murderers, pedophiles, rapists and criminals who are serving a prison sentence should not.
Are you pro rapist and pediphile?
Desperate attempts at Paedo-jacketing now too? How embarrassing for you.
I'm not the one advocating for the ability to kill anyone with the press of a button, or for an 800% increase in homicides (AU vs US). While we're at it, you definitely oppose the state murdering people with the death sentence, right?
All I can say about the paedophile piece is that there's a pretty strong overlap between people pushing your positions in the way you are, and wanting to fetishise youth and return to tradition with relation to things like taking a 12 year old tradwife/slave - but that's not you, is it?
Go ahead and join the dots between being anti-slavery and being pro-paedophile and pro-murderer... You understand that you're accusing the majority of the species of these tendencies, right? That society would collapse if this were true?
Between your violent tendencies, hilariously deficient logic, and your repeated failures to spell "paedophilie", you're not exactly crushing those lead paint allegations. Never change, LOLcow - not that you seem capable of it.
That is very rich coming from the guy who has stalked me in three separate threads that were solely about 2A rights, yet constantly tries (and fails) to imply I support slavery because I support the Constitution. You must vomit soo much verbal diarrhea every day that you can’t see straight.
Now that I’ve pointed out that being anti 13A gives comfort to criminals and pedos you want to suddenly change tact and talk about guns.
Your points are worthless because you have no standards. You change your narrative and throw insults around to suite whatever bullshit story you want to tell. You are the liberal equivalent of any MAGA hack. You are cut from the opposite side of the same cloth as Jim Jordan, Marjorie Tyler Green or Lauren Boebert. The difference is Boebert is at least a useful meatsack because you can get a handy out of her.
"Stop being a victim of crime! It's annoying!"
Holy fuck what a monster.
It's a shame he got married in the first place when so many better men are left out to dry.
Please go to therapy to work out your weird issues with women.
Incel weirdo.
Dude, you're not a better man. MAYBE less violent, but still a massively manipulative moron if you think ANY of the shit you've repeated here is true. I thought SOME of that shit when I was a TEENAGER! You know what happened when I realized I was the one who sucked? I met great women! Quit blaming others for YOUR inadequacies! You're a shit-stain on the male gender, just like that murderer.
People only say that, when they aren't any better. "He/she should have chose me!"
The only people who think that way are exactly like this guy. Entitled.
ACAB
Yes. All cops are bastards, you can't fight, and you don't own a gun.
Who exactly do you expect to protect you in situations like this, then? The fairy-godmother?
I would expect police to help, but that didn't happen, hence ACAB.
You're just FULL of bad takes. Take the L and get off the internet. Or go watch another video from Andrew Tate that just EXUDES homosexual tension, while claiming to be aggressively hetero. I'm sure you love those.
Are you saying people who don't rely on cops don't own guns? I have news for you... The media is lying to you.
This fucking nonce's very existence is an insult to all mankind.
A nonce is another name for a pedophile.
It doesn't mean what you think it means.
In Australia it's more akin to "an idiot, or fool".
Holy shit, I assumed it was an impulsive murder (not that that is good). But doing that to her? What a total piece of shit.
The system is designed to fail the vulnerable. Cops are domestic abusers, racists, and fascists. We need to develop ways to protect ourselves and our community. Wilkinson should have had an option other than the cops. She needed people who had been victimized in the past or at least would believe her and stood to protect her. Folks who would take turns keeping watch over her or give her and her kids a safe place to stay.
I don't think the cops can be reformed but that doesn't mean we can't keep each other safe.
I suppose holding law enforcement to a higher standard than the rest of us would be a good start. Heck I'd settle for the same standard as the rest of us right now
That would be nice, but how? They have 50 years of excellent, unearned, PR. 20% of scripted television is about unrealistically wonderful cops. When a local government has a problem their first response is always to throw cops at it. Any time they get the slightest pushback they threaten to stop doing all the things the municipality thinks they're doing. Every time a cop's ability to do whatever they want, including nothing, is threatened a massive media reaction rises up to defend them.
That's why I think we need alternatives. We need to replace cops. The people who solve problems cannot think of themselves as sheep dogs protecting the sheep from the wolves. Someone protecting a potential DV victim from assault might need a gun but someone handling traffic enforcement does not. People running welfare checks don't need guns. People responding to a public mental health emergency almost never need guns.
Citation needed and Behind the Bastards cop episodes are excellent background if you'd like to know why I'm so jaded when it comes to cop reform.
You ever watch any of those cop shows? They're not wonderful cops, they literally are walking examples of "ends justify the means" philosophies but with charismatic actors. The constitutional violations are myriad and disturbing, I'd almost call those shows fascist propaganda and maybe y'all should look up Dick Wolf and his standing in the republican party and why conservative politicians sometimes work between terms on his shows portraying elected political types.
100%. Unrealistically effective is a better way to say it. Cops are bad at solving societal problems. Bad at solving murders, theft, and other crimes. However, those shows basically make the case that cops are the only ones capable of solving those problems.
She did. Arm herself and stay as far away from him as possible.
(Well, Australia.)
The cops don't exist to protect people.
They exist to protect businesses.
This is in Australia, not the US.
US with kangaroos
This is such a daft statement.
Yes the police in question failed to protect this woman, it's a complete failure, officers and management in question need to be investigated.
That said, police assist people with DV issues every day of the week. I'm sure the police station in question resolves 1000s of domestic callouts a year.
Thank you for this. If it wasn't for one of the cops who responded to my 911 call, I'd still not realize I was being abused.
I'm getting real weary of Lemmy real quick. There doesn't seem to be much actual thinking going on, just children trotting out the same tired thoughts in every thread.
Even an idiot can understand that yes, police do protect businesses, but they do also protect people. Yes, there are a lot of cops who DGAF, but there are also those who genuinely became police to help people. Yes, the US is a place that exists, but there are also many other countries who don't have the same issues - for example in Australia I've found police to be more or less good, helpful people.
Eh, a lot of people get butthurt and downvote when reality doesn't match their armchair ideals. It's more of a comment on them and their ability to learn than on the comments they downvoted.
"our job is to harass brown people, not to protect the public"
It’s disgusting as I had to do something similar in Australia before I could find someone to take my domestic violence case serious. Australia cops are a fucking sham when it comes to domestic violence. “Cop shopping”. I hope they rot for coming up for a shit term they coined for boasting about their incompetence. Fucking losers.
A lot of the time the cops are domestic abusers themselves. Have had family stalked and harassed by an AFP cop in the past, and just like you say the cops had no interest whatsoever.
I fucking can't man. This poor woman. What a horrible and terrifying way to die.
would prolly take years of searching to find a theoretical good cop
When people say "it is just a few bad apples" they never finish the saying "one bad apple spoils the barrel"
If someone tries to say that the meaning is different than that just tell them there is only one meaning and it is based on science.
Ripening apples produce ethylene gas, which triggers aging and increases ethylene production in other, nearby apples.
a friend of mine did the same thing before her domestic murder. the police (who are well funded in this town) did not want to take her seriously, and they did nothing. another friend helped her out and was subsequently murdered too.
Yeah, it can be extremely dangerous to intervene in domestic violence situations. IIRC, something like 50% of domestic violence related murders are actually bystanders who tried to stop the abuse.
he was right to step in and help. i just wish the cops had done it...
Completely unrelated but I do believe this is my first rimjobsteve moment experienced out in the wild.
Sorry you lost friends that way. Hopefully the asshole that did it never sees the outside of prison ever again.
it wouldn't make a difference. He's not going to kill anyone else
What the fuck is "cop shopping"?
"Please officer, please help me. Please do literally anything consistent with the stated role of your profession!"
"No"
"Ok, I'm going to ask this of a different officer."
"What do you think this is? A Walmart?!"
Shopping for cops
Well I did kinda guess that much.
What does that actually mean?
I've never heard the term before but, based on context, I'd say it means going to multiple police stations looking for a cop who will do what you want. Similar to the way that an addict might visit multiple doctors seeking drugs.
They thought she was lying and trying to get a new cop for a different outcome.
I guarantee part of the reason why she was repeatedly ignored was because her husband happened to be a marine.
No one cares about marines in Australia
I hope the police and everyone who ignored her pleas are reminded of her death everyday of the week. Name names.
YES!
NO!
what a emotional Rollercoaster
Man, dude set her on fire...I bet those cops sure feel foolish. Oh well, we all make mistakes.
The cops almost certainly don't feel anything lol. They decided it wasn't their problem.
Sorry, this is the police, you should call the fire department. Have a nice day!
Cops don't resolve problems, they are the problem.
They're an excuse not to render a service. If you're in need of protection from a violent neighbor or relative, the police exist as a thing we can say exist to solve the problem without actually solving the problem. If the police don't respond or treat your case with urgency, we're allowed to say that the urgency doesn't exist.
In a similar vein, they exist to exaggerate the threat of certain areas or populations. If you're constantly putting squad cars and doing arrests and send in SWAT teams through a neighborhood, we can say that the neighborhood must be very dangerous. More and more police activity in an area flag it as "in need of additional policing" because what would the police be doing except restoring law and order to a neighborhood plagued by anarchy?
They are, in effect, a tool of state propaganda. Their physical presence (or absence) signals what is taboo (or tacitly encouraged) by the city/state/national leadership.
When seconds count police are
only minutes awaynot coming to save you.Buy a gun, learn to shoot. Nobody is coming to save you, take agency for your own safety.
Wasn't she a resident of Australia? They have some pretty strict gun laws, so there's almost no chance she'd have been able to get one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_of_Australia
(emphasis mine)
She was, it’s a shame she didn’t have access to all the tools she needed to escape that deadly situation. Depending on others is never a good plan.
ACAB
Actions speak louder than words QPS
Can't fucking beleive this happened in my own state, my own country
I thought we wouldn't have to deal with the same bullshit in america here as well
Write to your police minister. They know that only a small percentage of people who care actually take the time and effort to write in, so if you do so, it has more of an impact than you may think.
It also forces them to reply, so the squeaky wheel and all that.
Fuckin dumbass pigs
Yes, cop shopping, i'm in here repeatedly trying to get even one of you to give a shit, and you've got a perjorative term just ready to hand for that exact situation.
Policy against giving a shit would go with the territory I suppose, pathological fucking institution.
Police have the highest rate of domestic abuse as a demographic. Of course they don't give a shit.
Sadly, cases like this happens in all the world. I don't know if their work tend to desensitize some cops or what, but this is not the first time something like this happen, and certainly will not be the last.
To be fair, it sounds like this murder led to a pretty thorough external review and an acknowledgement from the QPS leadership that things had to change.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-01/qld-assistant-commissioner-brian-codd-on-police-culture/101717306
Maybe if we took money AWAY from Teachers and Gave it to COPS they would FINALLY be paid enough to WANT to HELP people!
Yeah, fuck teachers, amirite?
Cops don't care though, they get paid a lot in many places and still go out of their way to do as little as possible. I'm sure plenty of people know a cop or two personally that are great people and do help others, but the institution as a whole attracts the worst types and encourages unnecessary violent responses, it's outdated and needs changing, the funding could be better served elsewhere.
Really, teachers? That's who you want to go after? What about the politicians making millions at the expense of all of us, including teachers and cops.