Muslims who voted for Trump upset by his pro-Israel cabinet picks
timesofisrael.com
US Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration’s support for Israel’s war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.
“Trump won because of us and we’re not happy with his Secretary of State pick and others,” says Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump. Muslim support for Trump helped him win Michigan and may have factored into other swing state wins, strategists believe.
No fucking shit.
Go fuck yourself.
No need. I’m pretty sure Trump will fuck them with round 2 of the Muslim ban, but I hope I’m wrong.
It will not involve lube.
It will not be pretty.
It will not be quick.
"Hey, asshole. Shut up and get on the plane."- Trump Administration to this chucklefuck in a couple months.
You voted for this, you stupid motherfucker. Now you get to enjoy the ride like the rest of us.
There won't be planes, or deportations. There will only be caged slave laborers in concentration camps owned by his friends, with the government (read taxpayers) paying the rent month after month, year after year.
Weird kink you got, mate
Concentration camps might be a bit hyperbolic, but that was actually a fairly accurate description of how private prisons manage to make a profit.
Except for a handful of states that passed legislation to prevent it, the 13th amendment makes an exception allowing involuntarily servitude as the punishment for committing crimes. If they manage to create a kangaroo court designed to be a revolving door of convictions for "illegal immigrants", they absolutely could keep people effectively locked up as slaves for a while.
It is not. Calling them "death camps" would be hyperbolic because Trump hasn't started talking about a "final solution" (yet), but "concentration camp" is very much a factually-accurate synonym for the sorts of mass detention facilities necessary to implement deportations at the scale Trump has been proposing.
They are already scouting for sites for the "immigrant detention centers".
Suppose they achieve their objective. All that money being made? No way that system doesn't want to swallow even more people, and not "just" immigrants.
You are absolutely correct, but I was trying to avoid being inflammatory and giving an easy strawman when explaining why Trump's concentration camps are within the realm of possibility.
...donvict and this thugs enter the chat....
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/incoming-trump-admin-is-eyeing-new-immigrant-detention-centers-near-major-u-s-cities/ar-AA1tYBRy
They're the sort of assholes who'd only have ham sandwiches on the flight
I didn’t think the leopards would eat my face!
I mean what did they expect? Yes, i didn’t agree with Bidens current policy or what Kamala was going to do, but I knew trump would be worse.
Man, Americans are so fat even our leopards overeat.
There's at least 76,430,748 new faces to be eaten. Not enough leopards.
Oh, they will find the leopards.
Sorry my bad, I meant that as to why that leopard was the size it was. Too many faces to eat. Gluttonous.
It’s trueeeeee. But can you blame them? High calorie diet! Americans a yuuuuuge
Chonky kitty!
I honestly have no idea how any Muslim could vote for Trump unless they were completely ignorant. He is not their friend by any stretch of the imagination. It's not going to end well for them.
Conservative religious beliefs and ignorance often go hand-in-hand.
What comes first, the ignorance or the religion.
Ignorance.
Yeah, the religion maintains the ignorance, but doesn't create it
Previous election 80% of them voted for Biden.
Did the Democrats eat their face in some way? Like by exterminating a Muslim population?
Whether Israel gets the weapons from America, Russia, South Africa, Britain, Korea, China or wherever. They are going to find a way to arm themselves and defend themselves. Decades of warfare against other countries pushes the Israelis to commit some pretty disgusting acts. Trying to blame an American political party on either side is not an intelligent response.
They could never afford it.
From Iron Dome to F-15s: US provides 70% of Israel’s war costs
Spoken like someone that doesn't understand how much their military depends upon American aid.
Edit: spoken also like someone that doesn't know that the US stopped every Israeli war because unlike you Israel knows it can't exist without free weapons from the US.
And before you say 'military aid is a handout to US weapons manufacturers', an argument I suspect you're not knowledgeable enough to make, Israel is the exception to that because unlike EVERY other country in the world that receives US military aid, Israel receives half of the aid as pure money they get to spend with other countries.
So when you say they'd just get the weapons from other countries, you're doubly wrong, because they wouldn't have the money, our fucking money, to do so.
Have you learned anything yet, or is your racism against Arabic people so strong that nothing will penetrate your desire to justify genocide?
lmao I'm American you stooge. I don't agree with what Israel is doing. I'm also not foolish enough to think we should stop countries from defending themselves.
How is genocide and Settler Colonialism defending themselves?
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How does your nationality impact your utter ignorance of the percentage of weapons that Israel receives comes from America.
Great way to try and change the subject of your utter ignorance to one of your nationality, but you're the only one bringing it up, and it's perfectly clear to everyone reading what you're doing. Oh, yeah, I almost forgot, you stooge. What a weird fucking insult to throw in there.
Also, if they want to defend themselves they should. Themselves. Oh, that's right, they can't.
Also, genocide is not self defense. Nor is apartheid or annexation.
EDIT: go ahead and read the edit I've made to the comment you responded to.
Why oh why didn't anyone warn them?
They were too busy praying to Trump
All this time/effort organizing around him when a 5 minute Google search would have shown you he'd pledge unquestioning support for Netanyahu
Not to mention Trump's "sharpie realignment" of Israel's border during his last term. These people have rocks in their heads if they thought this was going to go any other way.
This is what I don't get.
Trump is like everyone's marvel superhero, he's whatever they imagine they want, the alternative to everyone else... Even very legitimate and thought out criticism can somehow conclude with supporting Trump when that makes no sense.
Dumb fucks
Ahha hahahahahhaa hahahahaaha
I, too, have unlocked the secret 6th stage of grief: gallows humor
I thought I was alone
Nothing about this is funny
That's not happy laughter. That's "look at the thing you've done to all of us" laughter.
If you say so…
Is the leopards feasting on their faces not funny enough for you?
They thought they were above the consequences of their actions, but they're in the shit pot with the rest of US.
ITS FUCKING HILARIOUS!
Unlike some, I do not relish with delight, the “wrongness” of my opposition. While I may like winning, I delight in nobody’s misery.
Luckily Stein got lots of house and senate members elected to provide support to her platform.... oh wait..
These are not smart people.
You are the reason I dislike liberals.
You just look down on other people instead of trying to understand why they did what they did.
Be more like AOC. She asked her constituents that voted for both her and Trump why they voted for Trump so that she could understand them.
Do you know anyone in your personal life that fell victim to a scam? Used car? Telemarketer?
How many times would it take that victim being scammed by the same person before you called them dumb?
What does calling people dumb accomplish? Get them to hate you?
Why don’t you do something productive like help them recognize scams?
It socially shames you into making better choices.
If you were dumb yesterday, you can be not-dumb tomorrow if you admit to yourself that you were dumb.
It's called personal growth, you won't see it anywhere on .ml or whatever cesspit you dragged your opinion from.
Honestly, I think this is one reason why the disinformation networks - hate radio, Faux Nooz, the bro-ed up magaverse online, etc - is sooo effective.
It used to be socially painful to make stupid choices and to show fealty to really stupid things, like the Republican Party. Now, instead of these people having to go into a corner and nurse their wounds and maybe reflect, they flee into the irreality bubble these things provide, AND THEY ARE VALIDATED in there. They experience no painful shame, or at least not for very long.
When has this ever worked xD the vegan school of recruitment will ensure nobody votes for democrats again, people don't like being shamed for shit they believe by people who think they're superior in every way
All things are not equal.
"You fell for a scam" does not feel anything like "somebody else thinks the normal choice backed up by the whole of human history that you also made is immoral."
Shame is a tool, and just like how you can't use a screwdriver to fix a leaky pipe tools don't apply to every situation.
Shame is valid when a person is making bad decisions that cause harm to themselves and those around them, not when somebody else is grumpy because we like fried chicken.
See other post. I voted for Harris. I thought an insurrection was enough to convince the populate not to vote for a traitor and I was wrong.
Socially shaming people doesn’t all work. It made me NOT vote for Clinton in 2016. What made me vote for Biden in 2020 and Harris in 2024 is every thing that happened during Trumps presidency. I learned my lesson then.
Democrats’ attitudes at the time, much like the person calling Muslims dumb, was a big factor in me choosing not to vote for Clinton back then.
I’m trying to prevent that same thing happening to other people - especially a voting bloc that can sway my state.
There are paths to personal growth that don’t involve being a dick to others
The person you're referring to didn't call Muslims dumb. They said "THESE PEOPLE" are dumb, referring to Muslims that voted for trump. Are you being deliberately obtuse, or is reading comprehension simply not in your wheelhouse?
They are cherry picking the specific words they respond to. Which is a classic loser argument tactic that is employed to try and achieve a holier than thou position. See if they can somehow twist your words around to make it sound like you are forcing words into their mouth then they can play the victim. Suddenly if they achieve victim status that means you don't get to say mean things to them anymore. When really, socially shaming people does still work. There's just a lot of "coddling" that happens in online social media groups that allows people to massage their feelings in such a way so that they feel empowered to continue holding the same DUMB view points that got them shamed in the first place.
Yep. It was kinda cute how savagely they fought against a made-up position. Tilting windmills and all that.
Not sorry, stupid people need to be told they are stupid so they stop being stupid. Sometimes it means calling them out harshly. Get over it. Not everyone needs to be treated like a delicate flower that will wilt at the slightest disturbance. People are not made of sugar, crying won't make them melt. We have an epidemic of stupidity spreading around the world. America is one of the worst places for it and people like you that cringe at calling out stupid are not helping solve the problem.
Not everything has to be about teaching a lesson, sometimes it can be just an observation of a fact.
Trying to teach stupid people? Obviously, you've never taught. Try teaching a fish to use a unicycle, then get back to us .
Excuse me? Are you saying you gave up on your students?
Nope.
He'll yea those dirty Muslims and queers and commies and shit will never learn bc they're just so much more stupid than liberals, therefore why even bother appealing to them? Why bother trying to protect them?
This shit literally hurts democrats. This holier than thou shit inspires people who might have voted Democrat to not do that. Why are you an asshole to people who are so close to voting for you? It only makes people hate democrats. Maybe try actually arguing in good faith rather than assuming everyone who doesn't blindly VBNMW every election is stupid and evil?
I never said ANY OF THAT.
Get those windmills, Quixote.
Denying that you're guilty of that libshit doesn't make it any more tempting for anyone to vote democrat, and I say that as someone who voted for harris
The fuck are you even talking about? What "libshit" am i denying..?
So democrats should have done more to appeal to Muslim voters to make sure they don't vote for trump? Bc it sounds like you think it's Muslims fault not voting for their own eradication, rather than democrats fault for not promising to not eradicate them. And since you think they're stupid, it really sounds like you just don't think democrats should give any shits about Muslims, since they're just stupid trump supporters anyway
I'd say yeah. Fucking A.
Source, please.
I'm ChronosTriggerWarning, and I do not approve this message.
I'm gonna need some links of me saying this shit you're yelling at me for saying....
I'm of two minds: you've confused me for someone else's comment OR you've misunderstood, badly, something I've said.
"I'd say yeah. Fucking A" then what is even your point here? If you know Biden and Harris ran a shit campaign where they did nowhere near enough to appeal to Muslims, then why are you even here?
I'll post this again, since you clearly didn't see it when you posted it or when I showed it to you last
Calling people you disagree with stupid is an absolute shit way to get support. Again, if you think dems should be doing more to appeal to people other than the right, why in the fuck are you shitting on people who also think that? Acting like it's everyone else's fault you lost is gonna make everyone else laugh at you and never vote for your guys.
So I guess this is just a dead end of a conversation cx you're not gonna admit you and other liberals have a superiority complex over non-libs, and I'm not gonna accept that shitting on potential blue voters is the proper way to court them. Have a nice day, from the river to the sea 🇵🇸
This is how you view non-liberals. This is the libshit I'm talking about. Are you gonna tell me some bullshit about how you're actually only talking about specifically the Muslims that voted for trump? Bc if that's the case, then surely you support more outreach and more good faith attempts to get Muslims to support democrats, rather than just calling them stupid, right?
🙄
Wow. Cool. It's neither A, nor B. It's C: misconstrue. I guess Quixote was a prophetic nickname.
Now tell me what i think of liberals. And Christians. And Pacific Islanders. And black paraplegic Jewish Eskimo rodeo clowns... Because if you think that I'm lumping any demographic into that statement outside of stupid people, then you are exactly who I'm talking about.
There's a difference between ignorant and stupid. I prefer ignorance. It's just a lack of exposure to something, and it's easily cured. Stupid is stupid is stupid. It doesn't care about your race or gender or personal identity. Neither do i.
Are you a Muslim Trump voter? If not, then I'll wait for a Muslim Trump voter to call me out for the offense I've given.
I'm not lumping in jack shit buddy, you're just backtracking on the stupid Islamophobic shit you've been saying and backing up here. Again, since you seem to have a blind spot for your own comments
Again, if you're only talking about Muslims that voted trump, make that actually fucking clear instead of just saying Muslims are stupid and not worth appealing to (or "teaching", as you say since you're so much smarter than those savages)
I read some of the comments from AOC's constituents. Many of them were not smart people either.
If you want to learn what it takes to sway dumb people, you can run a very unethical campaign like Trump's and get the Presidency.
This is like asking someone to explain why they believe the world is flat or that we didn't land on the moon.
When those people vote you need to know why. Or be snide, that's worked out great for the Dems
It’s because they’re stupid and/or bigoted.
Cool. Don't meet their concerns then. It's really important to feel morally superior while you're politically irrelevant
When "being politically irrelevant" is not being a fascist, who has the moral high ground?
https://www.thewrap.com/aoc-asks-constituents-why-they-voted-trump
Read it
Yep, real smart people there. Anybody who voted for both of them together is an idiot. They represent polar opposites of the political spectrum. She's basically the most progressive politician after Bernie, and he's the most regressive. She's thoughtful in the way she expresses herself, and he spews verbal diarrhea and lies as if he would instantly die if he said anything true.
Anybody who thinks Trump cares for the working class is fucking delusional. He's shown time after time that he doesn't care about anything that doesn't directly benefit him. He's a fucking monster and anyone who can't see that has to be stupid.
Yep. He had four years and the only thing he did was give away gigantic bags of goodies to the already obscenely wealthy. He didn't do anything for the working class.
You are focusing on Trump bad. Focus on “what can the Democratic Party do to be more appealing to voters?” The answer is be more like AOC - show you care about the working class.
This only supports my statement.
I think many people already understood they vote with their feelings instead of their brain. They care more about how a candidate makes them feel than about their policies. They care more about "the vibe" than anything logical. And it's fucking us all. A candidate shouldn't have to stroke anyone's fee fees, people should use the meat in their skull prison to make a sound and reasonable choice.
But i guess this country is certainly too stupid to make basic reasonable choices when presented with options. So you have a point. Don't call them stupid or idiots because their feelings are more important to them than reason. Fucking cromagnon politics. Gonna be even more important when the DoE is ripped out.
Strong anti-generalization assertion.
Except
Ah shit, you opened with a cheesy generalization. Validating to see the"every accusation is a confession" thing holds.
But let's get into it.
one was bad but could be swayed
one was worse on all counts for all criteria, was only getting worse, can't be fixed and would tear down all the checks and balances that make government work
They picked the second option, overwhelmingly, despite the massive damage to the very fabric of the nation and the insanely worse prospects for them as a recognizable minority.
Logic it out.
First off all, I didn’t vote for the orange turd. Let’s get that out of the way.
Second of all, there is PLENTY to criticize on the conservative side but I don’t want to see another fascist in office so I’m trying to improve the liberal side.
Muslims had a SIGNIFICANT impact on the results in my state. You are minimizing their core issue - getting democrats to actually support not killing Muslims in Gaza. Thats it
And by choosing that as the core issue they chose to have even more death in Gaza. Even if they convinced the Democratic Party to now shift on this issue entirely, they completely lack the power to do anything about it because they lost the election and control zero branches of government. It's very difficult not to see this coming from an entire galaxy away.
And so the solution is to keep sending bombs to Israel and ignore them, since they're so stupid, right? Clearly their votes don't matter, so why even bother listening to them or appealing to them, right?
Found another not smart person, guys
They said while looking down their nose through a smug sense of superiority
Next time she won't have to ask either
Rubles.
They did it for the rubles
No way. The guy who said he'd give Netanyahu a blank check to destroy Gaza opposes Islam? Color me fucking shocked.
Blank check? they already had one and have been bypassing Congress to fund them already under Biden
I love how you're getting downvoted for posting a graph with factual data on it. I guess this is the "less harm" that democrats keep pleasuring themselves over. Republicans are worse than democrats in general, but on this issue they really are the same. Ah, but we shouldn't let facts get in the way of people having fun mocking minorities having their relatives massacred in a genocide. Your factual data is really dragging the mood down in this party.
It's frustrating how shitty Republicans can be and yet Democrats still insist on adopting all their positions and getting endorsed by them.
But also according to your graph none of this is anything new.
If you look at the x axis it may not be new to the fossils running our government, but it's new to anyone under 40, Harris massively underperforming with young people is pretty directly that.
Yep the leopards are getting morbidly obese right now.
People with faces upset the leopards started eating them.
It's almost like people were told a million times that Trump didn't acknowledge Palestine existed and that Kamela wanted a ceasefire
So did biden, reportedly.
Stop. Just stop.
It's a post-truth world. Just...give up. We're all yelling into the void. These people are being force-fed "facts" consisting of cherry picked data and sound bites from every angle imaginable. It's their news. It's their friends. It's their family, and their neighbors. Their community leaders, and their social leaders, and their religious leaders. It's in their face, constantly, everywhere they go.
You can't compete with that. That's brainwashing on a societal level.
You can't both be right, and be victorious, in that environment. Simply because for the same amount of effort you put out expelling one falsehood, they can be exposed to a thousand more.
I give up. I have no more faith in humanity. People are proudly digging their heads into the sand to avoid hard truths and then act shocked when "I told you so". Fuck them, and fuck me for having to go down with them. Fucking children. Fucking ostrich children fucks. Pitiful. Repugnant. Deplorable.
You're blaming humanity for being the way that it simply is. The lesson is that people don't have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that. We got complacent. So, now those of us who get it have to step in and make better competing systems.
If facts are going to win, it seems they need to win stealthily, really like they always have. Science and engineering took over the world with probably less than 1% of people really having any idea how anything actually works. Objective morality in terms of universal human rights and behavioral science can be integrated into a better regulated social media, for example. It just has to be more appealing somehow and easier to access. It also has to be sexy and come with some status, and other benefits.
I have no idea what that looks like, but thst is the mission progressives now must contend with. We have to win back people's attention and convince them ours is the better way for them.
Why bother to fact check any one thing when it means hunting for the single edible chocolate in a pile of rabbit shit?
You can't even fucking Google an answer anymore, as the AI generated response is trained on all the bad data that's bloated the system.
I would settle for it being a view that won't get you expelled from a college campus, primaried out of an elected office, or purged from a high profile business position.
You make a good point, but the problem remains the same. We still need some of us to be willing to clean up the shit to preserve the truth.
I'm not sure I understand how your last sentiment relates. 🙃
People like this exist and you can find them. You just won't have them advertised to you. Real journalism exists, but its speaks floating in a sea of disinformation.
I can only be so upset a people for failing to find it. There but for the grace of God go I.
A great deal of informed opinion and intelligently dissenting views have been actively suppressed at the educational, political, and industry levels.
Whether you're Cori Bush or Norm Finkelstein, you're fighting and uphill battle just to be recognized.
At this point if I were God I'd be starting the rapture right now, because clearly humanity is too dumb to live and too deranged to get it over with quick and painlessly. Every American who voted Kamela would be at the top of the "Abandon Earth, we're all going to Heaven!" queue for the USA region, because obviously that was the last couple million people living in the Modern Day Burning Rome who gave a shit.
Oh lord +25 -2
Blatant lies sure are popular here.
Even your description of their promises are false.Trump was the one who invited Palestinians on stage when Harris shunned them.
Lol, no he didn't, he literally said his policy was to give Nethanyu a blank check and in the first term he kept trying to use nukes and was told not to by his staff.
Troll harder
PS: Kamela never shunned Palestinians either, Bill Clinton on the other hand...
Sorry i did not realize this was a sarcastic troll chain.
Trump unleashing the leopards to eat the people’s faces.
Exactly as he promised.
Now that is just plain stupid. One can make a moral argument for not wanting to vote for genocide, since the situation is similar, but not the same(!), as the famous Trolley Problem. But actively voting for the other pro-genocide option because you believed him to be a peace candidate? ... This is something that needs honest analysis and reflection. Both by these voters as well as by the Democratic Party. How the hell could Trump with his abysmal record be perceived as the peace candidate by so many? I do expect though, that all the involved parties will learn the wrong lessons from this.
With all the blame, shaming and hate towards Muslim, Arab, African and Latino Americans we should also not forget: The only ethnic demographic from which Trump got a majority is: White voters.
Stupid people wanted to claim that Harris was "the same as" Trump. That's patently false. Someone else said it best. Most of these people are in their own echo chambers and trying to get them to actually behave and vote in their own best interest is becoming nearly futile these days. It's too easy for people to put themselves into those echo chambers.
What we have here are voters who thought Trump would be better than Harris, not the same. I can understand, even if it's technically wrong, when people feel that genocide is genocide. And they see what is happening there as an extension to them (which any psychotherapist who's dealt with someone of an ethnic group which is in war can attest to).
Although this is most probably a factor, I believe this to be too simple an explanation. So about the media landscape: Yes. Especially the so-called 'new media' is seldomly truly independent but often biased in that they peddle this false narrative that Trump is a peace candidate. Also notable is that 'alternative media' is largely seen as independent from billionaires and power, while legacy media is an arm of the establishment. So the narrative of 'us vs. them' works even better and since the biggest names lean more right or are outright Republican propaganda channels, this could translate into more people who already resent the status quo falling for them. And thanks to the engagement-optimizing algorithms they fall into these echo-chambers. Sidenote: I'm not de-legitimizing alternative outlets, but want to stress the importance of scrutinizing how they finance themselves. We just had a case of one right-wing propaganda channel being exposed as being financed by a Russian oligarch for years. (I forgot the name)
One could also point to the rhetoric and behavior of the two candidates towards the pro-Palestinian population in the last few weeks and months before the election. One side didn't let Palestinian voices be heard and even actively and preemptively removed an elected Democrat from one of their own events, because he happened to be Palestinian American. Outside the DNC the protestors were met with disdain and ridicule by DNC delegates. And the other side came to
speaklie to them about what he's gonna do and that he takes them seriously. People are gonna see this.Or generally when Harris said that she wanted the 'most lethal military in the world', while the other side talked about ending wars 'within the first 24 hours'. Outrageous but a stark contrast.
Or the simple sentiment that with the Dems in power genocide is happening, so I'll roll the dice. The same anti-establishment sentiment that led to Trump in 2016 in the first place (economic in nature in 2016).
Talking about anti-establishment sentiment: I know of only one exception to this. But after COVID, there's only one incumbent party in the democratic world, that came out of elections still in power. And that's Mexico. If you know any others, please feel free to enlighten me.
The list is not extensive by any means and is just me spit-balling. If we want to understand what happened the answers are going to be much more complex.
Seriously? What did they think was going to happen with donvict in office? I just can't even right now. If I thought things would be any better in 4 years, I'd beg/borrow/steal to get on that 4 year cruise...
They're not the first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
They won't be the last.
America has too many morons
...Don't vote for Trump then?!??
If you're at this point still upset or surprised about anything the orange moron does, you're part of the problem.
Muslims were scammed in this election for voting for Trump or Jill Stein
that's what musk was selling. to muslims and middle-easterners in michigan harris was a pro-israel, for pennsylvania's jewish population she was pro-palestine. and they were hyper-local with the targeting.. down to individual city blocks.
In the few days leading up to the election I got two texts, definitely crafted to seem like they were from a Harris aligned pac, but it was saying she was unreservedly behind Israel, and seemed off. I told them to fuck the selves and reported as spam
Wow that's actually insane with how blatent that is. I imagine shit like this has a huge effect on the politically ignorant.
I mean is that false? The alternative is siding with a group that literally has a toddler hostage rn.
From the article, a little realization that the leopards are gonna eat some faces:
But seriously, how would anyone imagine that the guy who banned Muslim refugees from entering the US wouldn't be anti Muslim?
You spell 'failed critical thinking' with a w. Okay.
If any Muslim thought he gave a shit after his first run I've got a fuck ton of bridges to sell you.
Taxes and finances would be the only reason I can see voting for Trump, and when you look at his plans those are also stupid reasons to vote for him.
So basically to any of his voters except the fabulously rich ones... put a quarter in your ass because you played yourself.
Muslims: We voted for Trump because Harris supports Israel! He's not hurting the right people!!!
Trump: Oh, yes. Yes we are. Now get on the fucking plane. The in-flight meal is pork chops.
Planes costs too much. Maganazis will use cattle cars.
Voting has consequences. The time to wake the fuck up was two weeks ago. I guess the next best time is now.
Enjoy watching the genocide of your people, you'll be next, so instead of crying crocodile tears why don't you do something PROACTIVE about it.
All the information is on the task card, you have two months, your time starts now.
From the Reuters article on the same topic:
Trump made several visits to cities with large Arab American and Muslim populations, include a stop in Dearborn, a majority Arab city, where he said he loved Muslims, and Pittsburgh, where he called Muslims for Trump "a beautiful movement. They want peace. They want stability."
'They will be peaceful when they are dead'
Leopards ate my face, example #5937719
All this reporting reminds me of the "But actually this Man on The Street Hated Brexit even though he voted for it" slew of stories.
It's all just nutpicking. You'll find far more Muslim Trump voters who don't know who any of these people are. And you'll find plenty who are clapping like seals, because they're just as Murdoch Pilled and MAGA headed as their white peers.
Which just goes to show the lack of critical thinking skills in a shockingly large swath of the population.
"If you don't vote my way then you must be an idiot" is the endless refrain of the losing party. I hear it every election cycle
Had Harris been the one edging out Trump on a razor thin margin, it would be conservatives whining about American voter stupidity.
But if all these people are so thick headed, why do politicians find it so hard to get them to vote their way?
“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.”
Lol
How could any Muslim think Trump would not be bad for them.
I mean. Women voted for him, too. White or otherwise...l just do not get it.
shocking, really.
In other news, stupid people are baffled by their own stupidity.
I never thought leopards would eat my face!
I heard if you coat your face in blood and lie down in long grass with your eyes closed, the leopards won't ever find you!
I refuse to believe that people would be stupid enough to expect somebody who banned people from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen from even entering the USA in his first term to be pro-Gaza...
Nah, I actually think minorities voted more for Trump because the right have more socially conservative policies.
We're gonna see a lot more "Experts baffled Trump did x thing" and the word "unprecedented" show up in headlines again for at least the next four years. Sleep in the bed you made, fuckwads.
Facts:
so with just more obvious facts on the table the entire notion of giving Dems middle finger and literally helping Republicans win was not merely misguided but malicious. Being surprised by the outcome does not speak highly of people involved and their priority. If their priority was stopping the bloodshed they would've acted differently, by all means that priority was mainly middle finger to Dems.
I am acutely aware that people are dying and between two administrations the difference is at what scale and whether public has any sway with administration. Present choice out of the gate pointed for larger scale suffering and no public input.
US elections are not pragmatic - they are spectacle of emotions, which is why public elects showman.
it's not his picks, it's POTUS45: https://lemmy.world/post/22065845
Behind door #1: Isn't as one-sided as you regarding a war in another country that involves your religion.
Behind door #2: Tried to enact laws that openly discriminate against your religion just a few years ago. And is also totally one-sided against you regarding that same war.
It's a tough choice.
They're way more one-sided about the "war" (genocide) than I imagine the vast majority of Muslim and pro-Palestinian voters are, just in the wrong direction. What part of unconditionally supplying weapons to a country that is indiscriminately slaughtering civilians is "not one sided," oh "rational_lib?"
Dems pandered to an Israeli government that was actively campaigning for their opposition. This wasn't just "your anti-genocide views are simply too extreme for the average American voter". It was "Netanyahu is funneling Russian money and propaganda into the Republican campaign apparatus while you keep telling him he's a good boy on national TV."
Talk about leopards eating your face.
"muslims who voted for trump" you mean fucking geniuses
Local sheep upset that wolf he voted for has appointed butchers to several cabinet positions
Thoughts and prayers for the members of the Abandon Harris campaign and Muslims for Trump.
This is a joke, right?
Oh no! It's the consequence of my actions!
What were they expecting? He showed everyone who he was and they still voted for him.
Love the blaming of Muslims instead of the mass uninformed…
But compare this post to when they're mad about Anti-Jewish picks:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trumps-ag-pick-called-adl-racist-invited-holocaust-denier-to-state-of-the-union/?utm_campaign=most_popular&utm_source=website&utm_medium=article_end&utm_content=1
No shade at any Jewish voters who voted for trump strangely...
It's crazy how many prefer to blame the uncommitted movement, people who fought the hardest to change the Democratic Party's unconditional support for genocide through every democratic channel possible, over the Democratic Party for refusing to change position, at the cost of critical voters in swing states.
I would expect a campaign who's key concern is winning against a fascist to do everything in their power to win as many votes as possible.
You forget why trump is even a thing in national politics...
In 2015 when the primaries happened Hillary's campaign controlled the DNC and pushed for trump because he was the worst possible opponent and they thought it would scare people into voting for Hillary despite her being wildly unpopular.
They're 1 out of 3, but the DNC leadership loves trump because he lets them run even less popular moderates and take bribes from even worse industries/billionaires while still having a 33% chance of winning.
To them, it's a smart bet.
Which is why we shouldn't let them anywhere near the DNC.
They could have easily beat trump, but the want the awful "compromises" they say they have to do to win elections. It's why they keep saying it despite it never helping
Neoliberalism has been dragging this country to Fascism since Democrats went the way of Third Way Politics
This wasn't a no-brainer. There were far more Jewish people who'd tank the election toward Trump and give us this same shit show. The only viable hope was intense pressure afterward. Trump was always far more likely to backstab than Kamala, at least with her there was a chance of stronger pressure than Biden, vs. zero pressure from Trump.
That's not true either. The polls I linked take into consideration votes that would be lost, and it's still a net +6.
For example, 79% of Jewish Americans voted for Harris. Or just shy of 4.6 million voters
25% considered Israel a major policy item. Or just shy of 1.15 million Harris voters.
Looking at how Jewish Americans views on a permanent ceasefire and conditioal military aid, a majority support it
52.5% support withholding military aid compared to 23% to disagree with that decision.
23% of the 1.15 Million that consider Israel a top issue leaves us with 230,000 Jewish Americans.
Even if we assume all of these Jewish Americans are Democrat, which we have no way of confirming one way or the other, let's compare that to the uncommitted movement. Total uncommitted in the Primary was 706,591 (Which may have been undercounted). On average, general turnout is twice that of primary turnout. Which would reflect over 1,400,000 uncommitted votes in the general as an estimate. Considering how widespread anti-genocide sentiment is, I would expect more than that. But it's not like we have any data, other than the current results.
Interesting data, but you also gotta factor in the AIPAC rat-fucking that would work overtime to overturn opinions not just amongst Jewish voters but by exploiting anti-"terrorist" sentiments in general from both parties.There's a lot of political machinery in place that's deeply embedded. Trump would also be piling on with his own campaigning to exploit that.
But we'll never know for certain i guess.
That's why the best way to counteract that as a campaign would be to message about conditional military aid for a permanent ceasefire just before voting begins. That way AIPAC doesn't have time to counter with attack ads. For context, it took AIPAC 25 million and 8 months to unseat 2 members of The Squad for being anti-genocide. Less people would hear about the pivot since it would have happened so late, but it's still enough time to galvanize grassroots support and convince others to go out of their way to vote.
That's fair, would have been impressive to see that.
At this point I'm worried about the leopards. Those guys are going to be battling chronic obesity very soon.
At least they'll have access to health care.
Shit, wait.
When someone has a dog shit for brains, you do not pity them. You just put them outside, so they don’t stink up the house.
It’s not like they weren’t warned.
Oh no, the consequences of my choice!
Fuckem.
Suck it up buttercup
Oh WELL
What did they think they would vote for? How stupid can one be?
Got exactly what they voted for.
Woah hey, it's too soon to know which specific minority to blame yet!
A troll article written for other trolls from a fascist newspaper. Good stuff.
This is just islamophobic. Why not ask white people who overwhelmingly voted for Trump?
This doesn't make any sense in the context of the article. And we're all deeply disappointed in the white people too.
Why not Latinos, who had a major shift in voting from 2020? This is at least the 7th article I’ve seen today, across multiple news sites, pushing the narrative that Muslims “made a mistake,” or “regret their vote.” A couple only had one individual quote. That is not indicative of a widespread belief. From the interviews I’ve seen, from the Uncommitted delegates and Muslim American leaders in Dearborn, their votes (or lack of) were intentional and deliberated.
Not to say that there aren’t many Muslims that don’t have this opinion; they aren’t a monolith. But, to generalize an entire community this way is negligent journalism.
Latins think that if they legally entered the country, nothing will happen to them or the people they know (we'll see)
But muslims who care deeply about Palestine heard trump saying the'd let Israel "finish the job" and some of them even campaigned for him. What world are they living in?
Latins think that if they legally entered the country, nothing will happen to them or the people they know (we'll see)
But muslims who care deeply about Palestine heard trump saying the'd let Israel "finish the job" and some of them even campaigned for him. What world are they living in?
Clinton????
Stein:
Phobic?
So similar to the Muslims who voted for Biden in 2020?
Stop blaming minorities that their families being killed by you make them reluctant to vote for you is my message to the blue MAGA ghouls in the comments.
I get that voting for a party that is funding Israel is hard for Muslims but seriously, voting for Trump expecting that support for Israel would be dialed down is just fucking stupid beyond belief. He stated his views about Palestine, FFS, you don't have to guess
True Trump is also terrible about the ongoing genocide. But for one the only possible place where the Muslim vote may have influenced the election is Michigan and even then most like most people didn't vote at all and those who did where something like 40 percent to trump 37 to Harris and 15 to Stein, I just hate some democrat loyalists are blaming either Arabs, Latino's or black men for going slightly more towards trump than usual and ignoring how the democrats threw all the issues they care about under the bus to appeal to the mythical hoards of "never trump republicans" and also that Trump main base is still white males. It just makes me uncomfortable when i see for example white men blame black male misogyny for a slight trump shift over previous elections when close to 80% of black males still voted Harris in direct contradiction to white men.
I hear you. Is much rather they shift progressive
15 to Stein who's party didn't contest most house or senate seats?
Hoping for a president with no house or senate support? WTF they gonna do?
Really?
They were upset by the democrats as well, which is probably why they turned to the only other party in the country. I know people are going to rush in and say "but the democrats would be better than trump!!" and that may be true to some extent, but the genocide started and progressed unabated under democrats. I guess Muslims can just get fucked, huh folks?
The genocide started in 2020? I kind of thought maybe there was some conflict in the region prior to that...but now I understand it was the Democrats that did everything and I will vote for Republicans, the party that specifically hates Muslims, instead.
More accurately the genocide started when israel was being established, but it greatly ramped up in 2023. I know you want to take the heat off of democrats, but they are just as complicit in this genocide. Yes, republicans are worse in general, but that does not absolve democrats of giving billions in support of genocide.
You don't know what I want, and none of that is what I said, but keep pretending whatever approach you're taking here is helpful, it seems to be helping you sleep at night. No one should be absolved of supporting Israel's actions in Gaza. We were given 2 options, and I picked the one that I expect to result in less harm. The other option won and will now be in control of what happens to Gaza, and there's no silver lining in that no matter how bad you want to find one.
The problem is that the conversation is being locked down to which of the two pro-israel parties to vote for. The conversation we should really be having is how to stop support for genocide outright. There are many here smirking at how people can vote for a candidate that would do things against their interests, but the reality is that both parties unconditionally support genocide. People are using the flimsy argument that democrats supposedly offer a kinder genocide, but the biden administration's actions have not shown that to be the case.
You have a point in that support for israel has been a thing for a long time. If we see the complete annihilation of Gaza, it will not have been through the efforts of a single administration, but rather through a bipartisan tag team of ghouls.
I mean, these people (the leaders in the article) threw basically any minority group in the US and all of Ukraine under the bus to make their point. I'm not gonna say anything about all Muslims, but these leaders can definitely get fucked.
Don't worry, they have plenty like the above commenter who are willing to give them plenty of asspats and play apologist about how they opted to kill more of the people they supposedly want to save AND massacre American minorities.
Apologist? You mean like how people like you rush to defend democrats supporting genocide with "other guy worse"? You're just falling for the two-party tag team. Democrats and republicans play off each other to continually move the country to the right and they rely on people thinking they're actually opposing parties. Congrats on falling for it, I guess.
Spoken like someone who doesn't actually have to suffer the consequences of throwing the election to fascists. :)
Except for having relatives slaughtered in a genocide with the help of democrats :)))
Look bud, if democrats cared about combating fascism, they wouldn't be cozying up to war criminals like dick cheney, putting out ad campaigns with republican talking points, and insisting that they must move to the right (i.e. closer to full-blown fascism) after every election defeat while never moving to the left.
That's even more fucked up that you cheer on the slaughter of your own relatives under the Trump regime backing Israel to the hilt.
As opposed to democrats backing israel to the hilt right now? You may not believe this, but the bombs dropped during democratic party rule don't hurt less. What's really fucked up is you thinking I'm doing any cheering. You should really take some time for self-reflection for thinking that me criticizing democrats for the genocide they've been fully supporting for over a year now somehow means that I support trump. Who do we vote for if we don't want genocide? No, I'm not asking for a supposedly "better" genocide, I mean NO genocide.
This may be shocking, but things can absolutely get worse, and 'to the hilt' is an English idiom which means 'as much as possible'.
Oh, okay, you're just giving asspats to people who literally voted for Trump, who openly espoused the value of intensifying and backing the genocide by all means possible because you want to criticize the Democrats. Okay. Very believable.
There wasn't a no genocide choice. The idea that picking 'more genocide' as a protest of that is somehow understandable is deluded or vile - or both.
This may be shocking, but biden's support for the genocide is already "to the hilt". Before you try to explain English to me, try to understand the reality of the situation. The leadership of both parties fully and unconditionally support israel. Things will absolutely get worse because the genocide is going to proceed regardless of which party is in charge. Your tired harm reduction argument falls apart when you understand what is actually happening.
Here, have a read: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/17/netanyahu-weapons-biden
That reflects a severe paucity of understanding of the US's capabilities in this situation.
I'm well aware of the US's capabilities, but apparently biden isn't because he bent over for a fascist in a foreign country to supply their campaign of genocide with billions of dollars in weapons. I dunno, maybe biden enjoys being bibi's little bitch, but he certainly didn't do anything to impede the genocide.
I would like you to use your capabilities and read the article I posted. Here it is again in case you missed it: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/17/netanyahu-weapons-biden
Please read that and tell me how the democratic party would have been different over the next four years.
They weren't thrown under the bus, they were already lined up in front of the bus by democrats who then pointed at the republican bus driver and screamed that they would be driven over if they didn't vote democrat.
Have you ever heard of an analogy before? Because that's like...the Stretch-Armstrong of analogies.
There is a reason why the go-to argument to vote for democrats is "because the republicans are worse".
Is that because Republicans are worse?
Listen, we aren't going to make Democrats better by letting Republicans win, that just lowers the bar for the even further
If you want real change it's going to take drastic action with significant personal risk from a lot of people.
No there's plenty of blame to go around. The Democrats' hands aren't clean here. But neither is anyone who voted for trump or encouraged others to vote for trump.
In Russian roulette, I might not die.
Or, my brains might explode out of my head to paint the wall in a vivid splatter.
Why the fuck would anyone play Russian roulette in the first place?