Kinda weird that they're calling it an OS, but ig they're just trying to cater to the windows audience
KDE neon is what they're selling
Selling as in advertising, I might add. Neon is free
Neon is more of a testbed than a proper distro (they don't actually even use that word).
Is this "the KDE distro"?
Nope. KDE believes it is important to work with many distributions, as each brings unique value and expertise for their respective users. This is one project out of hundreds from KDE.
It's a proper distro, that's just saying it's not THE official one
Uhm
Is it a distro?
Not quite, it's a package archive with the latest KDE software on top of a stable base. While we have installable images, unlike full Linux distributions we're only interested in KDE software.
"But can Linux install things via a single .exe file? HAHAH EAT IT NERD!"
- 10'ish years ago past me, before discovering the magical wonders of the package manager
I found since people are used to app stores, I've had a much easier time convincing people to try out Linux. My mom even said that she always wished her windows PC had a proper app store.
I think it's still important to explain the key difference between an "app store" and a package repository: the latter isn't a "store" because everything is free.
True but it helps get the concept across so much.
Thst might change with Flathub's ambitions to become an actual app store though
Did I just heard that right? Flathub wants to charge for software?
Yes. Flathub wants to become a platform where people and companies can sell their software
Well hey, as long as these participating devs maintain that their software remains FOSS, I'd pay up. They do a lot of good work, can't do it all for free.
But Windows does have an app store, and has for ages now.
Yeah but it's awful, and can only install UWP apps which are just plain bad
When is the last time you've used it? Microsoft opened it up and now you can find all types of non UWP apps in it.
Still ass though.
Just install/update App Installer and use winget.
Most of them are, but there are non UWP apps on there too.
Sure, but pretty much every common application most people use is available, which is fine for the majority of people such as OPs mom.
With app images it's easier than installing. Although the chmod step will deter the typical windows user
What chmod step?
When I clicked on new app image, the OS told me, that program /name of app/ will be launched, I clicked "Continue" and it runs! No meddling with "chmod" or anything like that.
Same, I love AppImages for that. I just wish they also had way to contain configurations instead of putting it on the system. That would make it even more portable.
ELF and .sh files need to be set executable, chmod +x file, before they can be run, unless your DE does that for you
Dunno about appimages
KDE does exactly like that
(I am using MX Linux)
At least for Ubuntu, you do need to set the permissions of the AppImage before it'll launch.
I still haven't figured out how to make .desktop files work yet.
With file managers, for example in thunar, you can select Properties -> Permissions -> Allow this file to run as a program
also for non-KDE, non-Gnome systems, there’s appimaged – requires a little more setup, but handles the set executable, automates the AppImage integration (.desktop files and menus), keeps a watch on specific folders for new AppImages, and provides a way to check for updates
I'm saving this. I don't use any appimages (except a cracked Minecraft bedrock launcher but we dont talk about that one), but I'm still going to save this.
I installed Linux a few weeks ago and it was on Tuesday I wanted to add some programs I had installed (it was mGBA and melonDS) to my steam launcher, I went through the hassle of making a . desktop file for both of them (I was dumb and used a Ubuntu based distro, so it installed as a snap, which sucks hard on a hdd) and then it wouldn't launch, I searched up again (I was using chatGPT for all of this, I asked it a lot how to do stuff, it's like this was it's purpose beacuse it always worked first try), did the chmod x+ command and then I was done
I still am intimidated by the terminal as I've only had slight experience with CMD
Honestly, if all you've ever experienced in regards to terminals is windows CMD, then you really haven't seen much. I mean that possitively. Actually, it will give you a far worse impression on what using a Linux / Unix terminal can be like (speaking as someone who spent what feel's like years in terminals, of which the least amount in windows CMD).
I suggest to simply play around with a Linux terminal (e.g. install VirtualBox,.then use it to install e.g. Ubuntu, then follow some simple random "Linux terminal beginner tutorial" you can find online).
The Windows Terminal is absolute Garbage. I tried to use it for some very simple stuff and it was such a trash experience. It just feels wrong.
Don't worry about the terminal until or unless you have something to do that needs it, then follow a guide
Incidentally if a guide tells you to run a program in terminal, you can check what that program is supposed to do
man command (eg. man mount) gives you the manual, if it has a manual
command -h or --help gives you the command's help page - pipe it through "less" if it's more than a single screen eg: ls -h | less
Windows 11 takes your money, gives you ads, sells your information and ignores your bug reports and feature requests
KDE is free, ad-free and open to contribution
I think we have a clear winner here
But can it run proprietary software used in the industry? From Excel to Photoshop, if you are in a collaborative professional environment, you can't run away from those, and don't tell me you can use the alternatives in Linux, because no, you can't. This is not linux fault, but it's still an issue you can't handwave.
I love linux, but you can't expect people to adopt it just because it's objectively better than windows.
Wine can run most of those, not all. You can still dual boot Windows if you need to (VMs are an option, but they aren’t always the best).
I mean, that's what I do. Will I be able to convince my 60 yo colleague that had been using the same workflow for decades? No, not a chance.
Are you talking about for work or home usage? And do they have any specific proprietary application/hardware requirements?
You just gotta make an effort. The one who are too lazy will never be free of Microsoft's clutches. Which probably just means pretty much everyone will stick to windows.
That's my point, I use linux as much as I can, but if 80% of your colleagues use Windows... You don't have much choice.
It depends on your industry. I'm in an agile development team, working in AWS in Java. I'm not a dev, so my work is in spreadsheets, word processor documents, web utilities like Azure Dev Ops
All that is platform independent, though we have to work on the organisation's computers, so we work in the office on windows PCs or from home on whatever, remoted into a windows machine or VM
The devs work in VMs which are variously windows or GNU/Linux depending on what the person's previous project was.
@desconectado@glibg10b Wine exists... And that's all I have to say. There is a good installer in lutris for creative cloud that works pretty good if you own it. And if you have a NVIDIA graphics card, it works even better, almost like on windows. It's not 1:1 but we're getting close. For excel you have wine again or a great free alternative is WPS or softmaker if you want to buy it.
I wish Wine worked well enough to use Excel. We are not talking about adding up numbers in a cell. Once you include macros, or a reference manager in Word, Wine is not good enough. The same can be said about propietary software, like autocad, or software used to control equipment. Also, good luck convincing a regular user to get familiar with wine.
WPS is great for simple files. Again, not good enough for complex files, especially if it is a corporate collaboration environment. I have lost count on the amount of ppt files that didn't display well when it used WPS.
Every other year I try all the alternatives you mention, hoping they got better, and I always come back to use a dual boot or a virtual machine, which is not a thing your regular user wants to do.
List of things to consider
There are alternatives
You can use wine
You can run a windows VM and install it there
Dual boot windows
Microsoft has built a proprietary moat around their operating system. The reason why it’s hard to switch from Windows is by corporate design. A mix of early adoption, network effects, and just plain cold hard cash makes them dominate the operating system market. Of course it’s infeasible for your 60yo coworker to switch; but KDE presents an alternate reality, an opportunity, for people fed up with big tech’s bullshit. Yes, figure out how to run and use alternatives you fucking nut. Way to go disparaging countless volunteer hours spent on open source projects so that people like me can switch to linux.
Comments like these make me irrationally angry. Why complain about open source software and give bad PR? It’s open source; contribute.
You can look up beer recipes and buy equipment and ingredients from it though. And use web based or spreadsheet calculators on it to do beer related calculations
That beer is also not free, but assuming you make beer for a long time the price per pint (half litre to split the difference between UK and US pints) tends toward about 20c (though highly hopped beers like hazy pale ale can get towards a dollar a pint) which is pretty cheap
Linux is the modern OS and windows is just a bunch of old shitty technology in a trench suit.
This is kinda how I feel about Windows these days. It's interface, directory structure, shudder the registry, user specific apps (from MS Store or Winget), buttons being inserted into the menu bars on some apps, but not others, button sizes being different sizes, some parts still using the Metro interface. The whole thing either needs a re-write, or should be dropped and something new to replace it. Don't even get me started on things like the eventvwr hanging for 20 seconds after it opens, event tracer API, their in-house abandonment of powershell modules once powershell was open sourced, Windows containers being a disaster, etc.
The problem is that so much critical infrastructure around the world relies on ancient Windows software. I’m pretty sure their backwards compatibility is one of the reasons there’s so much inconsistency in Windows, and every iteration seems to just add more bloat on top.
They hired the man behind systemd (controversial, I know, but he does have a vision). I hope they listen to him and/or he starts directing how they should do things from the ground-up.
I hope they listen to him and/or he starts directing how they should do things from the ground-up.
I hate Windows and would love to see ruined too.
There was a TCP/IP bug that shared it's exploit on versions of windows from windows for workgroups 3.11 (which you ran from the DOS prompt by typing 'win') through to windows 7 (which was the new hotness at the time)
That's a bug conserved from the very first Microsoft implementation of TCP/IP through to the state of the art at the time
People were surprised at the time that it wasn't a windows NT bug
Yeah, but that old technology is what still lets me run a 13 year old version of Adobe creative suite. If that ever changes I will have to learn something new!
We will perhaps never beat adobe but nowadays there are some amazing tools!
... Which are developed for windows as well. Haha.
So basically ever since I first tried Windows 7 I held it as the "Gold standard" for desktop OS's. Half my tweaks to Windows 10 were trying to get it as close to Win7 as I possibly could.
When I finally start experimenting with Linux early this year KDE quickly got me to reconsider my "Gold standard" and finally switch my main machine fully to Linux.
No regrets and certainly ain't switching back even if Microsoft gave me updated Windows 7 with every extra feature I wanted back then.
I've been a Linux user for a decade and a half now, but still use Windows on my corporate laptops. Honestly, it's baffling how Microsoft seem to consistently manage to miss the mark with the UI design. There's lots to be said about the underlying internals of Windows vs Linux, performance, kernel design etc., but even at the shallow, end user, "is this thing pleasant to use" stakes, they just never manage to get it right.
Windows 7 was...fine. It was largely inoffensive from a shell point of view, although things about how config and settings were handled were still pretty screwy. But Windows 8 was an absolutely insane approach to UI design, Windows 10 spent an awful lot of energy just trying to de-awful it without throwing the whole thing out, and Windows 11 is missing basic UI features that even Windows 7 had.
When you look at their main commercial competition (Mac and Chromebook) or the big names in Linux (GNOME, KDE, plenty of others besides), they stand out as a company that simply can't get it right, despite having more resources to throw at it than the rest of them put together.
To me it's absurd how Microsoft gets beaten by a free desktop environment when windows is like their main product. They have billions of dollars. How do they manage to not do better?
windows is like their main product
TBF it isn't really - only about 12% of their revenue. It's more of a means to lock people into their other products.
Well, that's the thing, it's the core part of their entire business. The glue that sticks everything together. Or at least used to be until Azure.
What drives me crazy is how they can't update all their configuration interface to the same standard, if you go deep enough you still fine things that are unchanged since Windows 98
Yep. Drill down one level in a few control panel items and you're back in win xp.
that the modern Settings still falls back on Control Panel most of the time
I can understand wanting to replace Control Panel but all they ended up doing was creating a Windows Shell frontend
Needs more system settings, there's only three.
It seems like a big company's problem. They have a well-paid design\marketing department that can do whatever they want to create the best-selling interface for the new version of Windows, but before it's released, no one tested it yet for anything but bugs, and who'd argue with a flock of top designers anyway? Add here the board of directors who are here to sell them ideas and who won't use it either – I'm sure they applauded to the idea of unifying mobile and desktop experience with WinPhone&Win8, but especially Tablet-Laptop transformers they saw as the future. It sounds great on the paper, right? At that time it could've even sounded obvious for their business. And so it happened like it did.
Linux counters it by constant feedback and competition between easily switchable DEs, users being prepared even to jump distros; Apple has a fetish for style and experience (that's a half of their pricetag), they build their business model about looking and feel nice, so you'd build an ecosystem of their products, you can't even see error windows here and their garden is gated af; and ChromeOS\Android aren't shy of looking what others do (like iPhone's design findings) and conservatively taking what works, also having tons of vendor-created restyles\forks on their own platform as a testing ground for new ideas to make them then a standard. MS lack all of it, and their creative process is guided by external interests and ideals, it's just an afterthought. And as they have their stable market share, they probably won't even care. It took whole internet's screams to return their traditional start menu in win8.1, then w10.
That'd probably stay the same until their new CEO would happen to be an art college graduate - like the current one pushed for accessebility and building special controllers because she has a child with a disability. A top-down signal. I won't bet on it anytime soon.
The fact that Windows 11 has removed the ability to move the taskbar and has no intention of adding it back is just baffling to me. It's a small thing but so jarring every time I try to use it that I've barely used my desktop in the last few months.
I've noticed a trend in modern design where designers will put out garbage to 'keep people on their seats' waiting for it to be fixed.
Almost all my desktop gets used for anymore is gaming. The windows only anti cheat shit leaves me not messing with splitting what I boot up for.
I've been on Linux for ages and ages.. back when I had to order CDs for new copies of Ubuntu.
Kde is the first desktop experience that I feel is the gold standard.
Every iteration of Linux I've used, solus, fedora, Ubuntu, Manjaro the DE I use is KDE.
I'm not sure why.. but it makes sense to me and is my gold standard experience.
You can make KDE do pretty much whatever you want
Haha, I remember buying Mandrake Linux CDs...
I'm a FreeBSD user these days (for the past 20-odd years) but still run KDE. Plus they're still trying to remain fairly *nix agnostic which is nice.
I hate to say this, because I know how cringe it is, but... Windows 7 actually removed a lot of features that made Windows fun. And yeah, I'm talking about ricing and I'm unironically saying ricing is valid.
The mid 2000s was an awesome time to be in the ricing community - between litestep, blackbox, foobar2k, rainlendar/rainmeter etc, you could actually make your experience look however you wanted.
And, litestep in particular, for me, was a gateway drug to openbox and therefore Linux - when you finally hit The Windows Wall, where, to go any further, you had to step into Linux, Ubuntu was there, and then Mint, and then..idr what.
I still have my 2007 Ubuntu installation cd that they mailed to me for free. Sure, you could just make your own installation cd rom, but, if you couldn't, they would happily mail you one - or, as in my case, you felt motivated to evangelize, they'd send you a bunch that you could give out to people. I gave mine to friends and left some others at the local anarchist bookstore (I don't remember the name of it but this was Washington DC just north of Chinatown).
Windows 7 was a big step backwards. You could still do a lot of ricing, but less - and it was very clear from the direction that Windows 7 went, that whatever came next would be worse.
What is "ricing"? Sounds like you might be talking about theming?
Yeah, ricing is slang for the r/unixporn kind of themeing. It comes from car culture, where RICE stands for "race-inspired cosmetic enhancement"
Fwiw rice is a backronym, it originally comes from just "rice burners" which were the kind of cars & motorcycles that got "cosmetically enhanced"
Oh shit, I remember LiteStep and spending hours and hours to just fiddle with how my desktop looked. I personally felt Windows 2000 was the pinnacle of MS OSs (except so many games etc. wouldn't run because rightly the OS reported it was Windows NT and a lot of games shat themselves at that)
I came back to KDE after a long absence because I never liked it back in the day (I found it ugly and bloated). I was really surprised by how good it has become. It's now my favourite desktop environment on Linux, and I'm looking forward to version 6. So to any other oldies still avoiding KDE because of how it used to be, it's worth another look.
I second your experience.
It was not so impressive back then and 2indo2s was much nicer, but not anymore.
I'm feeling it, this year Linux will be on top!
Edit: I tried to write Windows 🤷♂️
Here I am thinking there's some obscure Linux project using a name that's somehow a sequel to Windows, like a Windows 2, but also a play on the 2__4me meme.
Third. KDE is really amazing now.
Oh, this is good news for me. I remember trying KDE years ago and feeling that it was just way too heavy. My goto is usually Cinnamon, but the lack of Wayland support has made me hesitant to go all in with out on my gaming PC. Def gonna give KDE a try, thanks!
Cinnamon was where I had ended up too. So now I have a couple of Linux Mint/Cinnamon machines and a Tumbleweed/KDE machine. It surprised me that I like KDE more.
not a kde user but huge respect to them
It's not my primary driver, but I would gladly choose KDE over Windows.
Fully based
Konquered
What's the current reliable KDE Distro? I've been rolling with Kububtu for a while now, but Ubuntu's Snap mandate has been getting annoying.
I have been enjoying OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. It's a rolling distro unlike the Ubuntu and Debian derivatives, but the updates hardly ever cause problems and it's very easy to roll them back if they do. It also gives you a choice between X11 and Wayland, and Wayland is working well for me on Intel graphics.
I jumped into Tumbleweed recently and have really been liking it. Last time I used Linux with a desktop environment I was using Gnome and KDE was a lot unglier. Things have definitely changed.
Tumbleweed is pretty much the "official" kde distro
Not KDE Neon?
KDE Neon gets the latest package updates regarding KDE first but it is not official in any sense, as listed on their website. In fact, Neon is just a package archive built on top of Ubuntu that offers more up to date KDE stuff.
I have used the distro as a daily driver in the past. It uses it's own pkgcon package management system.
I would recommend the KDE spin of Fedora.
Second but I use Nobara with KDE.
Second. Up-to-date packages and stable at the same time.
Fedora KDE Spin works pretty well
I can confirm. I’ve been running it on my M1 MacBook Pro and it’s quite nice.
Natively or in a VM?
Natively. Only major blocker for me using it more often now is speaker support, which is coming soon enough (the M1 Air already has it).
If you want something Ubuntu-based I'd recommend KDE Neon, last time I tried it, it was great. I don't think it has snaps since it's made by KDE.
Debian or MX.
Most likely the best distro for KDE is KDE neon, but that doesn't mean that much.
I use it on Debian testing and am very satisfied with it, KDE has never been so stable.
I'm using Kubuntu as my main OS and it has been very stable for me. You can remove snapd and install the deb Firefox repository. You should look up tutorials on how to do it, I did it and nothing broke
I use it in Garuda. No complains.
I for one hope to move from kubuntu to debian with KDE, I assume that won't have snap shit or systemd shit, but I might be painfully mistaken right there, I haven't checked it out yet.
Debian does use systemd, but what's so bad about it? I'm just curious, I'm using Arch with KDE, and that also uses systemd. Never had any issues with it.
Debian doesn't use snap by default though.
MX does not use systemd by default
Endeavour switched to KDE as their main DE
Fedoras flavor with KDE. Fedora never caused an issue for me.
KDE nerds: Is there a way to get a normal app launch indicator (cursor with a loading icon/hourglass) instead of either nothing or the little hopping icons that don't animate right?
I think you mean different. I find the bouncing very normal after all these years. The spinning wheel and hourglass is there but they are used to indicate system waits, rather than launches.
Of course you can shut the bouncing launch off if you dont like it.
I don't know about an hourglass specifically, but there are some options. Should be in system settings, applications, launch feedback and/or busy cursor.
No. Some people wanted to change it to that for Plasma 6, but on Xorg there's apparently no way to make that happen, as the cursor is always decided on by the window you're hovering over...
Oh, I see, thank you! Never noticed the cursor changing back when I put it over another window in XFCE, but I also never looked for that. I really just want that brief feedback, especially when I'm using a touchpad.
What's plasma ? Is it a browser? Sorry, I dont understand computers
Unlike Windows and MacOS, the Linux ecosystem is a lot more modular. For example, graphical user interfaces. There are a few types, ranging from ruthlessly simple tiling window managers to more complex desktop environments that more closely resemble the Windows or MacOS experience.
Linux users may take their pick between about a dozen desktop environments (DEs), including Gnome, Cinnamon, Mate, xfce and LXQT.
KDE (once standing for Kool Desktop Environment, now merely KDE) is a community/organization that produces open source software. They made Krita, a raster art program, KDENLIVE, a video editor, and many other such utilities. They also make the Plasma desktop environment, which is often referred to simply as "KDE" by distro maintainers. For example, you might download Fedora GNOME or Fedora KDE.
KDE Neon is an operating system maintained by KDE which features the Plasma desktop.
Thanks for the explanation. Really appreciate it.
KDE Plasma is an desktop environment.
The kind of thing you interact outside of installed app/programs. Like the panels, window decorations (titles, close buttom, maximalize button), the way windows float and behave, system settings, etc.
Unix systems (like Linux) are very modular and you can install different desktop environments if you want. And even within those desktops are modules, like you can install different "start menu" or file manager on KDE Plasma.
And you can't get de-crufted Win11 outside Europe! Another win for Plasma!
You can, but it takes a little effort
Because I need Windows to run old C&C games. Get Generals world builder working on Linux and I'll delete my dual boot
You can already get it working under Linux, running a Windows VM. I remember doing that for Homeworld, it's basically the emulator approach. A VM is ok if it isn't too demanding graphically.
Yeah the issue is the tools. They're what I have a hard time with in the VMs. I have no idea why
Just skimming through the website, I noticed they use their own Drive solution. Quickly glancing at the images, and it seemed oddly familiar.
And holy shit it they use the exact same setup I set up at work - NextCloud with OnlyOffice integration.
This seems nice.
Yeah like they (the Windows sheeple) celebrated a CLI package manager as if it was their best invention since sliced bread. Every Linux user was like yaaawwwn... "finally"
Who in the world celebrated that?
Like, I get the self-reinforcing bubble that Linux communities exist in and all, but... nobody did that.
The vast majority of Windows users are random people that never touch anything beyond the Start menu in their entire computing lives. What segment of the Windows userbase is out there celebrating any features, let alone command line anything? This is not a thing. At least not in numbers large enough to matter.
Sorry, I try not to get involved in these arguments. Frankly, grown adults taking sides on operating systems of all things like it's Sega vs Nintendo in a 90s playground seems very strange but I don't begrudge people finding communities wherever. It's just... you know, come on.
As someone who needs to do initial installs on computers with 10-20, I celebrated. It is much easier to type names of the programs and the manager do anything instead of manually downloading installers.
But turned out WinGet is really badly done.
As for preferences, for some this is actually Nintendo vs Sega unfortunetly. But don't underestimate moral decitions too.
People who do not use the dominant system/program/etc. often feel the need to tear down everyone else in order to validate their decision instead of just letting the results and their daily happiness with the decision speak for itself.
This is me, just getting shit done. If you are constantly thinking about what OS you're using, you're doing it wrong.
Because I am too lazy to make an actual thread on mastodon I’m going to corner you and ask you a quick question if you don’t mind! Feel free to ignore haha.
I’ve recently dipped my toes in Linux and it’s been really fun learning about all of it, but I still haven’t really settled on an OS. Rather than trying to reinvent the wheel or trying to predict everything, I decided to use what I have right in front of me: my steamdeck! I figured playing around on SteamOS in desktop mode is a great way to acclimate myself to Linux a little bit and figure out what I really like and such.
What are some essential programs and QOL things you would recommend? I am interested in trying to host my Plex server off of it, maybe even fiddle around with video editing since that’s what I do professionally (resolve runs on Linux so not worried there), maybe some audio tools. I just want to kind of see what it would look like as a daily driver, though I am very aware that Steam OS has limitations as one.
I’m coming from Mac and I am pretty comfortable doing terminal commands, troubleshooting tech issues, and I’m pretty privacy concerned. Hence why I’m trying to migrate a little bit away for macOS potentially haha. Any and all suggestions are welcome! Even just good website or resources for learning more would be very welcome.
You don’t even need to quality it. Some people just feel the need to tear down others to make themselves feel good. It’s low self-esteem, misplaced onto whatever happens to be near them.
I think we’re all vulnerable to it, too. Part of being a good neighbor is checking yourself to see if you’re being a dick about your preferences, and just letting people enjoy what they enjoy (unless that thing is harming others; you know, common sense).
Oh yeah, let me be clear: I’m sure I engage in it myself. I like to think though that I’ve mostly gotten away from it, as I did plenty of that snobbery when I was younger with music and by the time I got to college realized that was just a really tool-ish way of acting that kept people away from what I thought was awesome art
Sysadmins very commonly make a lot of use out of automating things with Powershell and various utilities that work with it.
Given that a pretty decent sized portion (I'd assume at least, no numbers to back that up sadly) of the Linux user base tends to be "cut from the same cloth" in terms of having the passion to automate (and heavily customize) their system - I would think this is why you see this sentiment repeated often.
I used to use Linux exclusively, but I eventually gave in to the appeal of Windows. I'm just too into gaming, even with all the advancements Steam and Proton are bringing into Linux. The main difference I've had is which OS type hosts which OS type.
I managed to get it to work for me with a bit of tinkering
Which specific game do you play that made you switch?
It's not a specific one, it's about not having to worry about which one are in the ProtonDB list and how it actually performs and can be configured. I just lose less out of having Linux in a VM for what I use it for, and have less surprises running the games on the system they are marketing and testing for.
Maybe I can just post here and get a good explanation?
I have been using PopOS for a while now and I am super happy with it, but last time it tried to switch from Gnome to KDE I ended up with a black screen after boot and had to reinstall from scratch.
Does anyone have a good writeup on how to do it properly?
Just install KDE (package name is probably something like kde-desktop) and reboot.
Next login there's a button bottom right for changing the DE. you don't need to uninstall gnome desktop.
What probably happened, is that you uninstalled your display manager when uninstalling gnome.
This causes you to end up in tty when starting PC when there's no app configured for the login window
Currently, dual booting Fedora and Windows 11 on my Asus gaming laptop, and I love Fedora, but it's still not full sailing. Every other boot the wifi card doesn't register and I have to reboot, others the OS freezes even though Grub doesn't but nothing actually opens or closes, and lastly if the laptop is on battery and goes into hibernation, waking it up takes around 5-10 minutes. To add that gaming is still not as smooth as it is with windows, and I still have a use for Windows pOS.
That isn't a problem with Linux, as much as I hate it. It's a problem with Asus, which I hate more. Asus is known for having many unfixable bugs on everything they have similar to these but even this isn't as severe as most people get where their audio will go out for days on end.
Have you tried another distro like Pop OS?
I'm using Pop OS on a couple devices and I like it, but it also gets temporary hung up frequently. It's irritating when I'm only doing one thing.
Yeah it depends a lot on the hardware. I have one laptop with Linux that is wonky sometimes because it has Nvidia graphics. But my stationary with amd is awesome, always works 100%.
Unfortunately, the drivers aren't available as easily with other distros. The main issue is that my laptop is an ASUS laptop, awesome laptop most of the time, but it's not easily supported by Linux
I've tried Fedora 3 times years apart in my life and never had a good experience. The longest time I used a distro was with Elementary OS and Zorin OS, the latter of which I'm currently on.
Been running Linux as primary is for 10-15 years now, used to distro hop a lot, often just because. Life is too busy for that now but I last installed fedora (KDE, I always run KDE out of preference) about 5 years ago and I'm really impressed. The system is very current but its always remained stable for me and upgrading from version to version is smoother than normal security patches on win 10 which I still run for CAD.
Are you all up to date? Tbh I do agree with the other post, ASUS have terrible QA and don't care.
Kinda weird that they're calling it an OS, but ig they're just trying to cater to the windows audience
KDE neon is what they're selling
Selling as in advertising, I might add. Neon is free
Neon is more of a testbed than a proper distro (they don't actually even use that word).
It's a proper distro, that's just saying it's not THE official one
Uhm
https://neon.kde.org/faq#is-it-a-distro
Oh ok
I feel like they intended to mention KDE neon (which is the official KDE distro).
"But can Linux install things via a single .exe file? HAHAH EAT IT NERD!"
- 10'ish years ago past me, before discovering the magical wonders of the package manager
I found since people are used to app stores, I've had a much easier time convincing people to try out Linux. My mom even said that she always wished her windows PC had a proper app store.
I think it's still important to explain the key difference between an "app store" and a package repository: the latter isn't a "store" because everything is free.
True but it helps get the concept across so much.
Thst might change with Flathub's ambitions to become an actual app store though
Did I just heard that right? Flathub wants to charge for software?
Yes. Flathub wants to become a platform where people and companies can sell their software
Well hey, as long as these participating devs maintain that their software remains FOSS, I'd pay up. They do a lot of good work, can't do it all for free.
But Windows does have an app store, and has for ages now.
Yeah but it's awful, and can only install UWP apps which are just plain bad
When is the last time you've used it? Microsoft opened it up and now you can find all types of non UWP apps in it.
Still ass though.
Just install/update App Installer and use winget.
Most of them are, but there are non UWP apps on there too.
Sure, but pretty much every common application most people use is available, which is fine for the majority of people such as OPs mom.
It’s not that good. It’s ok (especially now that it’s been unshackled from the hell of UWP), but it’s not as good as most Linux options.
With app images it's easier than installing. Although the chmod step will deter the typical windows user
What chmod step?
When I clicked on new app image, the OS told me, that program /name of app/ will be launched, I clicked "Continue" and it runs! No meddling with "chmod" or anything like that.
Same, I love AppImages for that. I just wish they also had way to contain configurations instead of putting it on the system. That would make it even more portable.
ELF and .sh files need to be set executable,
chmod +x file, before they can be run, unless your DE does that for youDunno about appimages
KDE does exactly like that
(I am using MX Linux)
At least for Ubuntu, you do need to set the permissions of the AppImage before it'll launch.
I still haven't figured out how to make .desktop files work yet.
With file managers, for example in thunar, you can select Properties -> Permissions -> Allow this file to run as a program
also for non-KDE, non-Gnome systems, there’s appimaged – requires a little more setup, but handles the set executable, automates the AppImage integration (
.desktopfiles and menus), keeps a watch on specific folders for new AppImages, and provides a way to check for updatesI'm saving this. I don't use any appimages (except a cracked Minecraft bedrock launcher but we dont talk about that one), but I'm still going to save this.
I installed Linux a few weeks ago and it was on Tuesday I wanted to add some programs I had installed (it was mGBA and melonDS) to my steam launcher, I went through the hassle of making a . desktop file for both of them (I was dumb and used a Ubuntu based distro, so it installed as a snap, which sucks hard on a hdd) and then it wouldn't launch, I searched up again (I was using chatGPT for all of this, I asked it a lot how to do stuff, it's like this was it's purpose beacuse it always worked first try), did the chmod x+ command and then I was done
Just to see it not launch :/
Not to mention Flatpaks.
I still am intimidated by the terminal as I've only had slight experience with CMD
Honestly, if all you've ever experienced in regards to terminals is windows CMD, then you really haven't seen much. I mean that possitively. Actually, it will give you a far worse impression on what using a Linux / Unix terminal can be like (speaking as someone who spent what feel's like years in terminals, of which the least amount in windows CMD).
I suggest to simply play around with a Linux terminal (e.g. install VirtualBox,.then use it to install e.g. Ubuntu, then follow some simple random "Linux terminal beginner tutorial" you can find online).
The Windows Terminal is absolute Garbage. I tried to use it for some very simple stuff and it was such a trash experience. It just feels wrong.
Don't worry about the terminal until or unless you have something to do that needs it, then follow a guide
Incidentally if a guide tells you to run a program in terminal, you can check what that program is supposed to do
Windows 11 takes your money, gives you ads, sells your information and ignores your bug reports and feature requests
KDE is free, ad-free and open to contribution
I think we have a clear winner here
But can it run proprietary software used in the industry? From Excel to Photoshop, if you are in a collaborative professional environment, you can't run away from those, and don't tell me you can use the alternatives in Linux, because no, you can't. This is not linux fault, but it's still an issue you can't handwave.
I love linux, but you can't expect people to adopt it just because it's objectively better than windows.
Wine can run most of those, not all. You can still dual boot Windows if you need to (VMs are an option, but they aren’t always the best).
I mean, that's what I do. Will I be able to convince my 60 yo colleague that had been using the same workflow for decades? No, not a chance.
Are you talking about for work or home usage? And do they have any specific proprietary application/hardware requirements?
But you understand that's a massive Ballache to deal with on top of your normal workload?
I haven't tried running anything new, but the stuff I have run in wine has worked easily, without any tweaking
You just gotta make an effort. The one who are too lazy will never be free of Microsoft's clutches. Which probably just means pretty much everyone will stick to windows.
That's my point, I use linux as much as I can, but if 80% of your colleagues use Windows... You don't have much choice.
It depends on your industry. I'm in an agile development team, working in AWS in Java. I'm not a dev, so my work is in spreadsheets, word processor documents, web utilities like Azure Dev Ops
All that is platform independent, though we have to work on the organisation's computers, so we work in the office on windows PCs or from home on whatever, remoted into a windows machine or VM
The devs work in VMs which are variously windows or GNU/Linux depending on what the person's previous project was.
@desconectado @glibg10b Wine exists... And that's all I have to say. There is a good installer in lutris for creative cloud that works pretty good if you own it. And if you have a NVIDIA graphics card, it works even better, almost like on windows. It's not 1:1 but we're getting close. For excel you have wine again or a great free alternative is WPS or softmaker if you want to buy it.
I wish Wine worked well enough to use Excel. We are not talking about adding up numbers in a cell. Once you include macros, or a reference manager in Word, Wine is not good enough. The same can be said about propietary software, like autocad, or software used to control equipment. Also, good luck convincing a regular user to get familiar with wine.
WPS is great for simple files. Again, not good enough for complex files, especially if it is a corporate collaboration environment. I have lost count on the amount of ppt files that didn't display well when it used WPS.
Every other year I try all the alternatives you mention, hoping they got better, and I always come back to use a dual boot or a virtual machine, which is not a thing your regular user wants to do.
List of things to consider
Comments like these make me irrationally angry. Why complain about open source software and give bad PR? It’s open source; contribute.
There are enough web based office instances running for Linux to be functional in that regard.
Photoshop on the other hand...
Photopea is a solid replacement.
GIMP will be great once it no longer needs to dodge patents
Audio players work great now MP3 is out of patent (before that MP3 was really only available if you were willing to ignore the patent)
Not to mention free as in freedom.
Also free as in beer.
Sadly there's no beer in it however
That's probably for the better.
You can look up beer recipes and buy equipment and ingredients from it though. And use web based or spreadsheet calculators on it to do beer related calculations
That beer is also not free, but assuming you make beer for a long time the price per pint (half litre to split the difference between UK and US pints) tends toward about 20c (though highly hopped beers like hazy pale ale can get towards a dollar a pint) which is pretty cheap
But not free as in Murica.
And anytime you mention that anywhere when somebody is being fucked again by windows, people find you annoying
Linux is the modern OS and windows is just a bunch of old shitty technology in a trench suit.
This is kinda how I feel about Windows these days. It's interface, directory structure, shudder the registry, user specific apps (from MS Store or Winget), buttons being inserted into the menu bars on some apps, but not others, button sizes being different sizes, some parts still using the Metro interface. The whole thing either needs a re-write, or should be dropped and something new to replace it. Don't even get me started on things like the eventvwr hanging for 20 seconds after it opens, event tracer API, their in-house abandonment of powershell modules once powershell was open sourced, Windows containers being a disaster, etc.
The problem is that so much critical infrastructure around the world relies on ancient Windows software. I’m pretty sure their backwards compatibility is one of the reasons there’s so much inconsistency in Windows, and every iteration seems to just add more bloat on top.
They hired the man behind systemd (controversial, I know, but he does have a vision). I hope they listen to him and/or he starts directing how they should do things from the ground-up.
I hate Windows and would love to see ruined too.
There was a TCP/IP bug that shared it's exploit on versions of windows from windows for workgroups 3.11 (which you ran from the DOS prompt by typing 'win') through to windows 7 (which was the new hotness at the time)
That's a bug conserved from the very first Microsoft implementation of TCP/IP through to the state of the art at the time
People were surprised at the time that it wasn't a windows NT bug
Yeah, but that old technology is what still lets me run a 13 year old version of Adobe creative suite. If that ever changes I will have to learn something new!
We will perhaps never beat adobe but nowadays there are some amazing tools!
... Which are developed for windows as well. Haha.
So basically ever since I first tried Windows 7 I held it as the "Gold standard" for desktop OS's. Half my tweaks to Windows 10 were trying to get it as close to Win7 as I possibly could.
When I finally start experimenting with Linux early this year KDE quickly got me to reconsider my "Gold standard" and finally switch my main machine fully to Linux.
No regrets and certainly ain't switching back even if Microsoft gave me updated Windows 7 with every extra feature I wanted back then.
I've been a Linux user for a decade and a half now, but still use Windows on my corporate laptops. Honestly, it's baffling how Microsoft seem to consistently manage to miss the mark with the UI design. There's lots to be said about the underlying internals of Windows vs Linux, performance, kernel design etc., but even at the shallow, end user, "is this thing pleasant to use" stakes, they just never manage to get it right.
Windows 7 was...fine. It was largely inoffensive from a shell point of view, although things about how config and settings were handled were still pretty screwy. But Windows 8 was an absolutely insane approach to UI design, Windows 10 spent an awful lot of energy just trying to de-awful it without throwing the whole thing out, and Windows 11 is missing basic UI features that even Windows 7 had.
When you look at their main commercial competition (Mac and Chromebook) or the big names in Linux (GNOME, KDE, plenty of others besides), they stand out as a company that simply can't get it right, despite having more resources to throw at it than the rest of them put together.
To me it's absurd how Microsoft gets beaten by a free desktop environment when windows is like their main product. They have billions of dollars. How do they manage to not do better?
TBF it isn't really - only about 12% of their revenue. It's more of a means to lock people into their other products.
Well, that's the thing, it's the core part of their entire business. The glue that sticks everything together. Or at least used to be until Azure.
Because they dont have to.
What drives me crazy is how they can't update all their configuration interface to the same standard, if you go deep enough you still fine things that are unchanged since Windows 98
Yep. Drill down one level in a few control panel items and you're back in win xp.
that the modern Settings still falls back on Control Panel most of the time
I can understand wanting to replace Control Panel but all they ended up doing was creating a Windows Shell frontend
Needs more system settings, there's only three.
It seems like a big company's problem. They have a well-paid design\marketing department that can do whatever they want to create the best-selling interface for the new version of Windows, but before it's released, no one tested it yet for anything but bugs, and who'd argue with a flock of top designers anyway? Add here the board of directors who are here to sell them ideas and who won't use it either – I'm sure they applauded to the idea of unifying mobile and desktop experience with WinPhone&Win8, but especially Tablet-Laptop transformers they saw as the future. It sounds great on the paper, right? At that time it could've even sounded obvious for their business. And so it happened like it did.
Linux counters it by constant feedback and competition between easily switchable DEs, users being prepared even to jump distros; Apple has a fetish for style and experience (that's a half of their pricetag), they build their business model about looking and feel nice, so you'd build an ecosystem of their products, you can't even see error windows here and their garden is gated af; and ChromeOS\Android aren't shy of looking what others do (like iPhone's design findings) and conservatively taking what works, also having tons of vendor-created restyles\forks on their own platform as a testing ground for new ideas to make them then a standard. MS lack all of it, and their creative process is guided by external interests and ideals, it's just an afterthought. And as they have their stable market share, they probably won't even care. It took whole internet's screams to return their traditional start menu in win8.1, then w10.
That'd probably stay the same until their new CEO would happen to be an art college graduate - like the current one pushed for accessebility and building special controllers because she has a child with a disability. A top-down signal. I won't bet on it anytime soon.
The fact that Windows 11 has removed the ability to move the taskbar and has no intention of adding it back is just baffling to me. It's a small thing but so jarring every time I try to use it that I've barely used my desktop in the last few months.
I've noticed a trend in modern design where designers will put out garbage to 'keep people on their seats' waiting for it to be fixed.
Almost all my desktop gets used for anymore is gaming. The windows only anti cheat shit leaves me not messing with splitting what I boot up for.
I've been on Linux for ages and ages.. back when I had to order CDs for new copies of Ubuntu.
Kde is the first desktop experience that I feel is the gold standard.
Every iteration of Linux I've used, solus, fedora, Ubuntu, Manjaro the DE I use is KDE.
I'm not sure why.. but it makes sense to me and is my gold standard experience.
You can make KDE do pretty much whatever you want
Haha, I remember buying Mandrake Linux CDs... I'm a FreeBSD user these days (for the past 20-odd years) but still run KDE. Plus they're still trying to remain fairly *nix agnostic which is nice.
I hate to say this, because I know how cringe it is, but... Windows 7 actually removed a lot of features that made Windows fun. And yeah, I'm talking about ricing and I'm unironically saying ricing is valid.
The mid 2000s was an awesome time to be in the ricing community - between litestep, blackbox, foobar2k, rainlendar/rainmeter etc, you could actually make your experience look however you wanted.
And, litestep in particular, for me, was a gateway drug to openbox and therefore Linux - when you finally hit The Windows Wall, where, to go any further, you had to step into Linux, Ubuntu was there, and then Mint, and then..idr what.
I still have my 2007 Ubuntu installation cd that they mailed to me for free. Sure, you could just make your own installation cd rom, but, if you couldn't, they would happily mail you one - or, as in my case, you felt motivated to evangelize, they'd send you a bunch that you could give out to people. I gave mine to friends and left some others at the local anarchist bookstore (I don't remember the name of it but this was Washington DC just north of Chinatown).
Windows 7 was a big step backwards. You could still do a lot of ricing, but less - and it was very clear from the direction that Windows 7 went, that whatever came next would be worse.
What is "ricing"? Sounds like you might be talking about theming?
Yeah, ricing is slang for the r/unixporn kind of themeing. It comes from car culture, where RICE stands for "race-inspired cosmetic enhancement"
Fwiw rice is a backronym, it originally comes from just "rice burners" which were the kind of cars & motorcycles that got "cosmetically enhanced"
Yikes, I think I'll just stick to "themeing"
Oh shit, I remember LiteStep and spending hours and hours to just fiddle with how my desktop looked. I personally felt Windows 2000 was the pinnacle of MS OSs (except so many games etc. wouldn't run because rightly the OS reported it was Windows NT and a lot of games shat themselves at that)
I set my KDE up to look as much like Windows 7 as possible.
I think that was peak desktop design before designers started changing shit just to stay relevant.
Plasma is not a system, but I see how they didnt want to confuse people here
It is a desktop environment system.
But no operating system
Microsoft will probably never truly catch up with KDE
Plasma 6 is approaching fast
So is Windows 12... /s
Approaching at $9.99/month.
Is this sarcasm? I'm out of the loop.
Rumors that win12 would be a subscription rather than a one time buy
In the newest windows, it is even possible to hover the volume icon and change it with the mouse wheel!!!
Does clicking on it open the mixer, or still the useless menu which should be accessible with a right click instead?
Menu
KDE had that pretty much since the invention of the mouse wheel.
I have the same functionality on my waybar
Still not going back to Windows!
LOL!
Wait, they didn't have that before? Heck, even my sway install with Waybar has this.
But you still need to get at the audio settings to tell it that it should use your microphone for a microphone, not the USB camera
KDE is the best desktop environment.
To be fair, forcing a bunch of software on the machine users own was never a good move, and in my opinion, not a new normal.
It was a good move when people had no idea what they were doing and needed defaults to get started.
I came back to KDE after a long absence because I never liked it back in the day (I found it ugly and bloated). I was really surprised by how good it has become. It's now my favourite desktop environment on Linux, and I'm looking forward to version 6. So to any other oldies still avoiding KDE because of how it used to be, it's worth another look.
I second your experience. It was not so impressive back then and 2indo2s was much nicer, but not anymore. I'm feeling it, this year Linux will be on top!
Edit: I tried to write Windows 🤷♂️
Here I am thinking there's some obscure Linux project using a name that's somehow a sequel to Windows, like a Windows 2, but also a play on the 2__4me meme.
Third. KDE is really amazing now.
Oh, this is good news for me. I remember trying KDE years ago and feeling that it was just way too heavy. My goto is usually Cinnamon, but the lack of Wayland support has made me hesitant to go all in with out on my gaming PC. Def gonna give KDE a try, thanks!
Cinnamon was where I had ended up too. So now I have a couple of Linux Mint/Cinnamon machines and a Tumbleweed/KDE machine. It surprised me that I like KDE more.
not a kde user but huge respect to them
It's not my primary driver, but I would gladly choose KDE over Windows.
Fully based
Konquered
What's the current reliable KDE Distro? I've been rolling with Kububtu for a while now, but Ubuntu's Snap mandate has been getting annoying.
I have been enjoying OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. It's a rolling distro unlike the Ubuntu and Debian derivatives, but the updates hardly ever cause problems and it's very easy to roll them back if they do. It also gives you a choice between X11 and Wayland, and Wayland is working well for me on Intel graphics.
I jumped into Tumbleweed recently and have really been liking it. Last time I used Linux with a desktop environment I was using Gnome and KDE was a lot unglier. Things have definitely changed.
Tumbleweed is pretty much the "official" kde distro
Not KDE Neon?
KDE Neon gets the latest package updates regarding KDE first but it is not official in any sense, as listed on their website. In fact, Neon is just a package archive built on top of Ubuntu that offers more up to date KDE stuff.
I have used the distro as a daily driver in the past. It uses it's own pkgcon package management system.
I would recommend the KDE spin of Fedora.
Second but I use Nobara with KDE.
Second. Up-to-date packages and stable at the same time.
Fedora KDE Spin works pretty well
I can confirm. I’ve been running it on my M1 MacBook Pro and it’s quite nice.
Natively or in a VM?
Natively. Only major blocker for me using it more often now is speaker support, which is coming soon enough (the M1 Air already has it).
If you want something Ubuntu-based I'd recommend KDE Neon, last time I tried it, it was great. I don't think it has snaps since it's made by KDE.
Debian or MX.
Most likely the best distro for KDE is KDE neon, but that doesn't mean that much.
I use it on Debian testing and am very satisfied with it, KDE has never been so stable.
I'm using Kubuntu as my main OS and it has been very stable for me. You can remove snapd and install the deb Firefox repository. You should look up tutorials on how to do it, I did it and nothing broke
I use it in Garuda. No complains.
I for one hope to move from kubuntu to debian with KDE, I assume that won't have snap shit or systemd shit, but I might be painfully mistaken right there, I haven't checked it out yet.
Debian does use systemd, but what's so bad about it? I'm just curious, I'm using Arch with KDE, and that also uses systemd. Never had any issues with it. Debian doesn't use snap by default though.
MX does not use systemd by default
Endeavour switched to KDE as their main DE
Fedoras flavor with KDE. Fedora never caused an issue for me.
KDE nerds: Is there a way to get a normal app launch indicator (cursor with a loading icon/hourglass) instead of either nothing or the little hopping icons that don't animate right?
System Settings → Appearance → Cursor Theme → Configure Launch Feedback
That only has nothing, static (icon), blinking (icon) or bouncing (icon) though. I find anything involving the icon jarring, especially because it keeps lagging behind the cursor. And yes, this is incredibly minor.
Seems to be some cursor themes that do it that way, like this one for example: https://store.kde.org/p/2103612
I think you mean different. I find the bouncing very normal after all these years. The spinning wheel and hourglass is there but they are used to indicate system waits, rather than launches.
Of course you can shut the bouncing launch off if you dont like it.
I don't know about an hourglass specifically, but there are some options. Should be in system settings, applications, launch feedback and/or busy cursor.
No. Some people wanted to change it to that for Plasma 6, but on Xorg there's apparently no way to make that happen, as the cursor is always decided on by the window you're hovering over...
Oh, I see, thank you! Never noticed the cursor changing back when I put it over another window in XFCE, but I also never looked for that. I really just want that brief feedback, especially when I'm using a touchpad.
What's plasma ? Is it a browser? Sorry, I dont understand computers
Unlike Windows and MacOS, the Linux ecosystem is a lot more modular. For example, graphical user interfaces. There are a few types, ranging from ruthlessly simple tiling window managers to more complex desktop environments that more closely resemble the Windows or MacOS experience.
Linux users may take their pick between about a dozen desktop environments (DEs), including Gnome, Cinnamon, Mate, xfce and LXQT.
KDE (once standing for Kool Desktop Environment, now merely KDE) is a community/organization that produces open source software. They made Krita, a raster art program, KDENLIVE, a video editor, and many other such utilities. They also make the Plasma desktop environment, which is often referred to simply as "KDE" by distro maintainers. For example, you might download Fedora GNOME or Fedora KDE.
KDE Neon is an operating system maintained by KDE which features the Plasma desktop.
Thanks for the explanation. Really appreciate it.
KDE Plasma is an desktop environment.
The kind of thing you interact outside of installed app/programs. Like the panels, window decorations (titles, close buttom, maximalize button), the way windows float and behave, system settings, etc.
Unix systems (like Linux) are very modular and you can install different desktop environments if you want. And even within those desktops are modules, like you can install different "start menu" or file manager on KDE Plasma.
And you can't get de-crufted Win11 outside Europe! Another win for Plasma!
You can, but it takes a little effort
Because I need Windows to run old C&C games. Get Generals world builder working on Linux and I'll delete my dual boot
You can already get it working under Linux, running a Windows VM. I remember doing that for Homeworld, it's basically the emulator approach. A VM is ok if it isn't too demanding graphically.
Yeah the issue is the tools. They're what I have a hard time with in the VMs. I have no idea why
Do Android next!
Try LineageOS
I'd prefer a solution out of the box. I am well aware of alternative OSes.
https://murena.com/ (no affiliation, do not own one)
Just skimming through the website, I noticed they use their own Drive solution. Quickly glancing at the images, and it seemed oddly familiar.
And holy shit it they use the exact same setup I set up at work - NextCloud with OnlyOffice integration.
This seems nice.
Yeah like they (the Windows sheeple) celebrated a CLI package manager as if it was their best invention since sliced bread. Every Linux user was like yaaawwwn... "finally"
Who in the world celebrated that?
Like, I get the self-reinforcing bubble that Linux communities exist in and all, but... nobody did that.
The vast majority of Windows users are random people that never touch anything beyond the Start menu in their entire computing lives. What segment of the Windows userbase is out there celebrating any features, let alone command line anything? This is not a thing. At least not in numbers large enough to matter.
Sorry, I try not to get involved in these arguments. Frankly, grown adults taking sides on operating systems of all things like it's Sega vs Nintendo in a 90s playground seems very strange but I don't begrudge people finding communities wherever. It's just... you know, come on.
As someone who needs to do initial installs on computers with 10-20, I celebrated. It is much easier to type names of the programs and the manager do anything instead of manually downloading installers. But turned out WinGet is really badly done.
As for preferences, for some this is actually Nintendo vs Sega unfortunetly. But don't underestimate moral decitions too.
People who do not use the dominant system/program/etc. often feel the need to tear down everyone else in order to validate their decision instead of just letting the results and their daily happiness with the decision speak for itself.
This is me, just getting shit done. If you are constantly thinking about what OS you're using, you're doing it wrong.
Because I am too lazy to make an actual thread on mastodon I’m going to corner you and ask you a quick question if you don’t mind! Feel free to ignore haha.
I’ve recently dipped my toes in Linux and it’s been really fun learning about all of it, but I still haven’t really settled on an OS. Rather than trying to reinvent the wheel or trying to predict everything, I decided to use what I have right in front of me: my steamdeck! I figured playing around on SteamOS in desktop mode is a great way to acclimate myself to Linux a little bit and figure out what I really like and such.
What are some essential programs and QOL things you would recommend? I am interested in trying to host my Plex server off of it, maybe even fiddle around with video editing since that’s what I do professionally (resolve runs on Linux so not worried there), maybe some audio tools. I just want to kind of see what it would look like as a daily driver, though I am very aware that Steam OS has limitations as one.
I’m coming from Mac and I am pretty comfortable doing terminal commands, troubleshooting tech issues, and I’m pretty privacy concerned. Hence why I’m trying to migrate a little bit away for macOS potentially haha. Any and all suggestions are welcome! Even just good website or resources for learning more would be very welcome.
You don’t even need to quality it. Some people just feel the need to tear down others to make themselves feel good. It’s low self-esteem, misplaced onto whatever happens to be near them.
I think we’re all vulnerable to it, too. Part of being a good neighbor is checking yourself to see if you’re being a dick about your preferences, and just letting people enjoy what they enjoy (unless that thing is harming others; you know, common sense).
Oh yeah, let me be clear: I’m sure I engage in it myself. I like to think though that I’ve mostly gotten away from it, as I did plenty of that snobbery when I was younger with music and by the time I got to college realized that was just a really tool-ish way of acting that kept people away from what I thought was awesome art
Sysadmins very commonly make a lot of use out of automating things with Powershell and various utilities that work with it.
Given that a pretty decent sized portion (I'd assume at least, no numbers to back that up sadly) of the Linux user base tends to be "cut from the same cloth" in terms of having the passion to automate (and heavily customize) their system - I would think this is why you see this sentiment repeated often.
c'mon man
Do you known kde has discover to install and update applications with a gui right?
I used to use Linux exclusively, but I eventually gave in to the appeal of Windows. I'm just too into gaming, even with all the advancements Steam and Proton are bringing into Linux. The main difference I've had is which OS type hosts which OS type.
I managed to get it to work for me with a bit of tinkering
Which specific game do you play that made you switch?
It's not a specific one, it's about not having to worry about which one are in the ProtonDB list and how it actually performs and can be configured. I just lose less out of having Linux in a VM for what I use it for, and have less surprises running the games on the system they are marketing and testing for.
Maybe I can just post here and get a good explanation?
I have been using PopOS for a while now and I am super happy with it, but last time it tried to switch from Gnome to KDE I ended up with a black screen after boot and had to reinstall from scratch.
Does anyone have a good writeup on how to do it properly?
Just install KDE (package name is probably something like kde-desktop) and reboot.
Next login there's a button bottom right for changing the DE. you don't need to uninstall gnome desktop.
What probably happened, is that you uninstalled your display manager when uninstalling gnome. This causes you to end up in tty when starting PC when there's no app configured for the login window
IIRC the package name is
kubuntu-desktophttps://support.system76.com/articles/desktop-environment/
Bel nick 10/10
Grazie brother ❤️
Currently, dual booting Fedora and Windows 11 on my Asus gaming laptop, and I love Fedora, but it's still not full sailing. Every other boot the wifi card doesn't register and I have to reboot, others the OS freezes even though Grub doesn't but nothing actually opens or closes, and lastly if the laptop is on battery and goes into hibernation, waking it up takes around 5-10 minutes. To add that gaming is still not as smooth as it is with windows, and I still have a use for Windows pOS.
That isn't a problem with Linux, as much as I hate it. It's a problem with Asus, which I hate more. Asus is known for having many unfixable bugs on everything they have similar to these but even this isn't as severe as most people get where their audio will go out for days on end.
Have you tried another distro like Pop OS?
I'm using Pop OS on a couple devices and I like it, but it also gets temporary hung up frequently. It's irritating when I'm only doing one thing.
Yeah it depends a lot on the hardware. I have one laptop with Linux that is wonky sometimes because it has Nvidia graphics. But my stationary with amd is awesome, always works 100%.
Unfortunately, the drivers aren't available as easily with other distros. The main issue is that my laptop is an ASUS laptop, awesome laptop most of the time, but it's not easily supported by Linux
I've tried Fedora 3 times years apart in my life and never had a good experience. The longest time I used a distro was with Elementary OS and Zorin OS, the latter of which I'm currently on.
Been running Linux as primary is for 10-15 years now, used to distro hop a lot, often just because. Life is too busy for that now but I last installed fedora (KDE, I always run KDE out of preference) about 5 years ago and I'm really impressed. The system is very current but its always remained stable for me and upgrading from version to version is smoother than normal security patches on win 10 which I still run for CAD.
Are you all up to date? Tbh I do agree with the other post, ASUS have terrible QA and don't care.
Framework sell laptops with Linux
I like QubesOS better.