What Cars do You Swear By?

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Just found out that my current car will die any day now due to a known defect. It's out of warranty and I have no money to replace it right now.

I've been cursed with car problems my whole life, no matter how well I take care of them, I keep getting screwed.

All of the cars have been Fords because I always heard they were generally dependable and cheap to repair/upkeep, but so far they have all failed me.

What cars do y'all recommend? What cars do you have that just won't give up the ghost no matter how old/beat up they get? If your life depended on your car lasting as long as possible, what car would you drive?

I want whatever car I get next to last me 10-20 years. I want to be that person posting a picture of the odometer hitting 300k miles. I also don't care much about features, reliability is key.

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Don’t trust what people say from their individual stories. You need statistics of hundreds of cars, not single anecdotes. There must be sites that evaluate cars reliability, average spending on repairs and so on, model by model. Find those.

This is good advice in general.

But the answer to this question is extremely well known across the internet and every thread that comes up will eventually boil down to the same two responses: Toyota and Honda as 1 and 1a.

There isn't some secret answer to find, those are just the answers. People will definitely come up with anecdotes supporting various other cars, but as these threads hit a certain mass of replies they invariably boil down to those two choices.

They are not the flashiest cars, nor the most feature rich, nor the most efficient or most powerful. But if you want to buy a car that will just keep on running after years of minimal maintenance, often even after being abused during that time, a Toyota or Honda is what you should buy.

Prius/Prius prime might not be the most efficient but it's pretty damn good.

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If you really want a long lasting machine, listen to this person. So much nose in this thread. For example: Subarus, in fact, do not have reputation for being long lasting without major repairs. Most people do not keep a vehicle for 10+ years nor for 300k miles. I have a vehicle that is older than that with 30% more miles. As said above, an anecdote.

Somebody keeps track of the cost of ownership over time. Perhaps a company, maybe a government agency.

Good luck!

The average car age in the EU is 12 years old. Even in richer member states the average is often over 10 years (germany: 10.1, Netherlands: 11.4)

So at least in that part of the world, most people absolutely do keep a vehicle for 10+ years.

Source: https://www.acea.auto/figure/average-age-of-eu-vehicle-fleet-by-country/

The average in the US is 12.5 years old.

https://www.spglobal.com/mobility/en/research-analysis/average-age-of-light-vehicles-in-the-us-hits-record-high.html

I think people's impression of things is skewed because overall cars are much more reliable than they used to be. When I was a kid a car over 10 years old was something you expected to have issues, and certainly wanted to avoid buying. That's not the case these days, and the huge numbers of functional older cars on the roads make us not realize just how many old vehicles are out there because they're normalized.

My car is 15 years old, my wife's is 9. They're both perfectly fine and they don't feel old to us.

I agree entirely with what you are saying, but that doesn't change what I said about how long people keep the same car. I suspect we are in the midst of the length of ownership increasing, but not to 10-20 years on average.

Spent 10k on a 2014 Subaru Outback with 120k miles, headgasket leak. First and only owner. Whats even worse is brake error light after spending that much. Carmaxed that junk. I will never ever buy a Subaru. Replaced it with a Honda.

https://www.carcomplaints.com/

Take any site with a grain of salt, but I find they're usually not too bad for a general idea of what you may be in for.

This one is my favorite and was super helpful last time I was looking for a car. You can see trends year over year in the same generation, so like if the first 2 years of a 4 year run had some chronic issue that was fixed for the last 2, that sticks out.

Yup, the only real gripe I have is a small percentage of the complaints seem to be more user error than design flaw, but that's to be expected from any review site.

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Can't go wrong with Honda and Toyota. They are basically tanks that keep running even when you abuse them.

A Corolla or Camry's lifespan is measured in decades, not years. I occasionally just whisper "oil change" to my Corolla while driving and it makes happy engine noises and just keeps going. They might not be flashy and there's certainly cars out there with more features but if you're looking for a car that "just works" and you (almost) can't kill, get a Toyota.

Honda too I guess although I can't speak to them specifically.

Pretty much the only thing that will stop them is rust. They'll disintegrate long before the motors give up if taken care of properly.

Fully agree with Toyota and Honda with the exception of the 2019 and other same gen versions of the Honda Civic. There is a known defect with the air conditioning system that causes leaks even after repairs and results in a failed AC system. My brother has been plagued with this issue and unofficially Honda acknowledges it but will fight like hell to pretend it doesn’t exist.

No AC, but it still runs, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ya that’s the only issue he’s had but in 40+ degrees it’s rather unbearable and pretty bad considering the issue arose within the first year of ownership and regular use.

Honda is known for crap AC systems unfortunately. No one wants to really acknowledge it but it’s true. I had mine replaced 3x and it still stopped working. Sold it just because you can’t drive an oven and live.

Ouch ya checks out with my brothers car. Had to get it fixed 3 times now. He’s looking to offload it to another unfortunate soul.

Just remember, Toyota and Honda may be gold tier for reliability but they still issue recalls too. They’re also overpriced by $5K-$10K because of their reputations.

I don't see recalls as a problem - they find an issue, they fix it for everyone, for free. The three times my Toyota hybrid was recalled it was back to me the next day, not only washed, but with the interior cleaned as well. They were mainly software fixes I think. The car's now 12 years old and still bowling along just fine.

Overpriced due to good performance? Sounds like people are just will to pay more to get more

What about Suzuki and Mazda, are they almost as reliable?

2014 and newer Mazdas are good but the infotainment may need replacing or repair on 2014-2018s due to the screen delamination usually from being parked outside. Prior to that, you need to be specific about what model. The engines and transmissions have always been bulletproof so long as they are kept wet, except for the Mazdaspeed and CX-7 turbo needing an oil restrictor.

Suzuki are cheap cars that need cheap fixes and will keep running as long as you keep fluids in them. I'd never buy one unless I couldn't buy a Honda, Toyota, Mazda, or American V8.

I have no experience with Mazda but there are plenty of old Suzukis on the road where I live.

Mazda’s are very reliable, especially ones built in Japan. The newer ones have excellent designs, equaling luxury brands on the newest and are still fun to drive. More importantly they’re still inexpensive to fix.

+1 for Toyota Corolla

I've got -06 model with 225000km (140000mi) on the meter. Outside basic maintenance the only problem it has had was that the ABS timing ring snapped. It cost about 80€ at the local shop to clean the spot and weld it whole again.

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I'm currently driving a company owned Toyota corolla Fielder, with a cool quarter million KMs on the clock, 260-something thousand to be exact.

Toyota have a legendary reputation for reliability, for good reason.

My mechanic buddies all swear by Toyota, the Prius is rated the kind of car least likely to seen in a shop and pretty much any other Toyota is bullet proof.

Flipside, I will never own a Nissan. Worked at an auto auction for 6 months as an inspector. One thing that was hammered on us is check engine oil even before it went to the auctions mechanic for sludge. The reason it was hammered so hard is because it was a problem. Only with Nissans. In 6 months, hundreds of cars a day, Nissans were the only ones with the engine sludge issue.

The new prius body style is better than before. I hated how their previous models look.

I would recommend electric vehicles too. Even a used electric car will likely need the 12v lead acid battery changed. But the whole car is super sound and reliable from less moving parts. The bolt ev is fast, and the range is long enough for most people. I would only suggest an ev if you can keep it plugged in at home, and since most people live in apartments, the prius is the better choice.

Oh good point, I have a hybrid and just did a road trip this weekend because I wanted to cycle the gas tank after 3 months driving around town.

I have had mazadas and toyotas run for decades with zero problems but they are also decades old and may not be reflective of the current quality of the cars. See: BMW and Mercedes. they used to be quality in the 20th century, now they are a bit shit.

This year at least, Mercedes and Toyota have the least amount of recalls.

You know what "Ford" stands for, eh?

Fix It Again, Tony.

But to add something to the conversation, my vote goes to Toyota and Honda.

Anecdotally: Had a 1999 Corolla that I drove into the ground, ignored oil changes, was a stupid teen, and it ran fine until I wanted automatic windows. Currently riding in a Nissan Altima, which seems to be pretty great (as long as the transmission doesn't fail, which they can do sometimes).

Parents had a Ford Eacort that was a lemon, and a Ford Escape that was a money-pit.

Idk... I've had my Escape since 2015 and it hasn't been a money pit. There was one massive issue it had with a cable for the transmission snapping, but it ended up being a recall so I was completely refunded the money it cost to fix it. I'm not saying they are necessarily the best, but it's been fine for me is all.

I think with any of these questions, picking a specific brand seems silly. Hell, even a specific model isn't always a good idea because some of the models made in a specific year might be shit and the next year they might be great. You have to do a lot more research in depth rather than just blindly picking a brand imo.

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Flawed premise.

You don't care about brands generally, you only care about the car you buy specifically.

Every brand / model has good and bad cars. If you're unlucky enough to get a shit one, it doesn't really help you if people swear by that brand.

Just figure out the format (SUV, hatch, etc), then your budget, then buy the lowest kms you can.

Toyota Prius. I've seen people in central Asia rock mud and dirt trails with it, that most Westerners wouldn't dare to go on with their SUVs

I agree completely. I have a 2009 that I got second hand, just passed 7 years and I've only had minor repairs in addition to regular maintenance.

One caveat - if you have to park on the street, invest in a cage for your catalytic converter. Mine and literally everyone else I know who has a Prius had theirs stolen. That's the biggest expense I've had with mine.

2WD cars can do some amazing stuff, especially because the Prius is heavy because of the batteries and has more traction as a result

Don't get a jeep! Ours developed a heart defect 2 weeks before we paid it off. Turns out, it's a known issue that Jeep just doesn't care about addressing because "loyal" owners will just replace it (meaning the whole engine), and often do.

It’s not just Jeep, it’s any FCA/Stellantis vehicle with the 3.6L Pentastar engine. If you know it’ll develop a head gasket leak after 100K and replace it ($5K) before it does, you won’t have another problem with it. If you don’t, it’ll total the engine ($15K). Happened to me. I hope there’s a class action law suit honestly.

As someone who kind of likes the idea of owning a Wrangler, this disappoints me to no end. :(

You can always swap the engine with a honda vtec engine, but in doing so you'll trigger the ire of other jeep owners who'll complain about the lack of torque at low rpm on honda engines.

Toyota or lexus are most reliable, Honda (Acura) is a close 2nd. After that it isn't even close.

Yes ford's aren't all bad, especially their international designs are not bad.

After Toyota and Honda the reliable cars to buy are going to be specific models and specific years, you're going to have to find the many youtube mechanic commentary videos "buy this not that" and do your research.

It may be that rather than buying the most reliable vehicle you avoid buying one of the known worst vehicles. I've been there and now I own 2 Toyotas and a Honda.

And it goes without saying, before you buy anything have it inspected by an impartial mechanic you trust.

You will see that Toyotas cost a lot more than other cars. It's because the cheaper cars end up costing thousands more in the long run because of the many repairs you're going to have to do. Pay now or pay later.

I am not native and wanted to say I always swear on SUVs, Pickups and unnecessarily loud or stupid cars.

Dont get one of those, please.

I swear near BMWs, some day they will ship with a turn signal included.

So funny, I think BMW people are pricks everywhere. Fucking Nazi company, but VW, Audi and Porsche are as bad I guess

Honda and Toyota last forever. Incredibly reliable cars.

Honda, Toyota, Subaru. Specific models with high sales and as such high parts availability. I'd avoid new models or low sales. It'll be harder to pick-n-pull parts. The prius claims to be low maintenance and I believe it based on experience. Most issues I've had with those brands have been fixable and not too soul crushing. Even the worst prius issue i ever had with a stuck coolant valve I was able to fix myself wigh youtube vids.

Of course this comes with the caveat that you take care of your vehicle. Don't drive like a moron being harsh on it, perform regular maintenance at proper intervals, do your fluid and filter checks and changes, don't swing for only cheap products, use full synthetic oil when you can. Use higher quality oil, air, cabin, etc filters within reason. Follow the manual. Set maintenance reminders for yourself. Don't add unnecessary performance mods. Don't go to jiffy lube. Be skeptical of mechanics that will screw up your car. Check their work when you can, or do it all yourself. If your car allows it, use better fuels.

Reliable doesn't equal zero maintenance or zero cost.

On that note. Michelin tires are worth it. Cheap tires are cheap and get replaced more. Tire performance under braking is perhaps the most important safety feature. I've never been disappointed by Michelin for performance, safety, or life. Worth every penny every time.

By the way, if you want some fun, go to the car dealer area of your town on random days and check out their service departments. I laugh every time I see places like Hyundai packed in the waiting room.

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Toyota Landcruiser with the straight 6 1hdfte engine. Plenty of power comes in several different models of car. Unfortunately because of their unparalleled reliability they are expensive and Toyota discontinued making the engine due to emissions.

I have seen these engines go over 1million kms as they are bassed of the original 1hz engine which was really bullet proof but lacked in power.

Depending on where you live, you might be able to consider not getting a replacement. Public transportation and cycling is vastly superior if the infrastructure is available. Costs less, keeps you healthier, better for the environment, less noisy cities, more flexible, etc etc.

Not to mention that a replacement doesn't need to be a car. An e-bike or a motorcycle might cover needs. Also as to once a year needs, if you go with a cheaper option, you can always rent a car or moving van if you want to.

Toyota and Honda are the most depends and reliable. There's a reason they hold value the way they do. I have a Toyota Highlander and Honda Odyssey both over 250k miles, still running like champs.

Check to see if there's a recall repair.

Recall repairs go beyond the warranty.

Toyota Camry or Corolla. If you just need transportation that you can rely on to start every morning without requiring major repairs all the time, these are your best options. Honda Accord or civic if you just like Honda better

If those are too boring buy something else from either Toyota or Honda.

I have personally seen double digit numbers of these vehicles go north of 200k miles and multiple over 300k miles with little more than basic maintenance. Some of them were outright abused with maintenance not done, driven with no oil, in accidents, etc. They just keep on ticking. These are individual anecdotes that should be taken as such but I encourage you to read others' accounts as well. My experience is not unique at all. I'm convinced you have to actively kill these cars. I live in the rust belt and I am quite sure that the bodies of our Toyotas will completely disintegrate before the engines give out. All I do is follow the maintenance plan in the manuals.

This is not to say you don't get small issues, or maintenance items. You still have to replace brakes, tires, etc. We had random minor issues with the interiors. But they always started and did their best to get us from point A to point B.

If your city plan allows for it, I swear by no car. Cars are expensive, and if you don't need a car for your daily errands and your commute, it may be help to consider ditching it altogether and go by bike and bus/train. After all, you don't need to worry about paying for & maintaining a car if you don't have one and the responsibility for keeping your ride rolling is handled by the business. And a plain bicycle takes almost no maintenance and runs on whatever you had for breakfast.

Of course, if you live in a place like Florida or Texas or Ontario outside of central Toronto, you're fucked.

I drive a 2008 Honda Accord. I refuse to give it up because of how dependable it is. The best features of the this car is the electric heated seats and it’s dependability. knock on wood I’ve yet to encounter any major issues within its entire life span. I’m keeping her until she quits on me.

In fact, instead of putting money towards a new car I’m going to invest in her body and interior. I can’t stand what new cars seem like these days.

Hondas and Toyotas are expensive but last well. If you’re in the PNW, look at a suburu so you can blend in if you need to commit a crime. Seriously, if the police are looking for a green suburu outback in Washington they might as well be looking for every Starbucks.

Honda and Toyota. But since we bought 1 Honda we now own 3. I buy the Honda oil filters in 10 packs. Our van has over 300,000 and still drives ok.

Then toyota and honda are your best bet. Change the oil a little earlier than recommended and they will last 300k miles.

This can be said of most vehicles. If you follow the recommended schedule maintenance you almost never develop problems with the powertrain. Problem is, a lot of people don’t and some brands withstand abuse longer.

Pickup owners shit on the Honda Ridgeline and call it "not a truck", meanwhile their big manly Rams and F-250s live their lives in pure "mall crawler" mode.

The Ridgeline just quietly outlasts all those trucks and does all the furniture hauling and jetski towing that a homeowner needs. And the in-bed trunk (with drain plug!) is a tailgating champ.

Toyota and Honda have the reputation for being the most reliable. I would add Subaru to the list as well out of my personal experience.

Although, I think the best investment a car owner can make is a basic set of tools and the time to learn to do repairs/maintenance yourself. I started by doing my own oil changes and, at first, it wasn't cheaper at all with needing to buy the tools, but in the years since I think I've become quite a handy mechanic and have saved tens of thousands by doing everything myself. There are repair videos online for virtually everything so it's pretty easy to get started with basic stuff and work your way up from there as needed for your car.

I get shitbox Toyotas for under a couple grand and run them into the ground. Whatever maintenance I can afford.

I don't trust cars nor roads nor drivers

I swear by any car. That is to say, I swear near any car. Get out of my lane! Three feet of space to pass at a minimum!

I had a Ford Taurus that I swore by for several years.

Well, swore at, mostly.

If you can afford one, get a Subaru. They have a well-deserved reputation as being one of the longest lasting brands. In addition they are great driving cars, particularly under bad conditions. Finally, they have an amazing safety record.

That last item is not a casual one for me. I was T-Boned in the center of my front passenger door by a car going over 50 mph. My Outback rolled twice and only stopped because the roof hit the side of a van. I can remember my head bouncing off the curtain airbag as the pavement went rolling by. The car was thoroughly destroyed, except for the passenger compartment, which was intact (even the door that took the hit). My passenger and I were both unhurt.

The paramedics who examined us were more than a little surprised. They said they were expecting at least head and neck injuries. Instead, I had a minor bruise on the outside of one knee. That was it. We didn't even have headaches.

I replaced my totaled Outback with a newer one. My friend bought one too, the following year. I expect to drive Subarus for the rest of my life.

Seconding Subarus, especially on safety. My brother was driving an outback, and had an elk jump into the road at him, at night, while he was doing 60, and he was completely fine. Windshield wasn't even cracked. Phenomenally well built, safe cars.

All of the cars have been Fords because I always heard they were generally dependable and cheap to repair/upkeep, but so far they have all failed me.

I personally would never buy another Ford for many reasons, reliability being one of the main ones. Actually, after all the bad experiences with cars I have had, I would probably never buy another American car unless something dramatically changed.

Toyotas or Hondas are what you want if you want reliable and cheap repairs. That said, they hold their value very well because of their reliable reputation, so even getting a used one is still going to be quite expensive. My wife and I bought a used Toyota Corolla 5-ish years ago and couldn't happier. We've needed to make the occasional repair, overall the car has not cost us much.

I have no clue why anyone would think ford are good vehicles. Well, guess their trucks have some good reputation (idk if deserved) but the rest of their vehicles are garbage. And have been for a long time,

Honda Accord. I'm currently driving a 98 with 240,000 and looking to hopefully get 300,000.

America doesn't make reliable and dependable. 3 Chevys have taught me that. Go with something from Toyota, Subaru, Honda or Nissan and you will be so glad you did. I'm never buying American again if I can avoid it.

Reliability is only part of it, you should also consider maintenance costs. Even if imports are more reliable they often cost more to repair, and if you're talking luxury models the difference is even greater.

I have a Camry and parts are dirt cheap and its super easy to work on. Domestic manufacturers have all but abandoned cars (sedans/coupes) at this point because Japanese cars have been so good for decades. I will say European cars are going to cost more to work on and often don't have the long term reliability without deep pockets.

if you're looking for reliability and repairability and depreciation you simply can't beat the car that keeps going up in value: the Honda Element

I know I'll get shit..I bought a 2004 Subaru Impreza new..and ran it for 15 I years..it never missed a beat. I put 110 thousand kilometres on it in that time. I loved driving it every time. Had it serviced when it needed. I sold it because I pivoted around a cement pole in a parking lot. Bit of damage to a door. Moved onto a WRX after that.. again, it has never missed a beat. No issues whatsoever.

That's quite low milage yes? I put about 50k kms on my Nissan every year. I think the average in Australia is something like 40k km a year.

I live in major city and drove to work nearly every day..but I reckon it was never more than 25mins to work.. 5 - 25km a day

I think my girlfriend's put that much on her 4Runner since January.

My '09 Legacy needed a lot of work but I ragged on it and it is the best-driving car I've ever owned. Now I drive an Accord.

I’ve owned 3 Subarus over the last 15 years. Drove the first two for years with 0 issues. 75k+ on both. First was a lease then buy out and was offered a great deal on the second to trade in. Only got rid of the second due to a change is need for a personal car. When I had a need again I got a third which I’m only at about 60k on but plan to drive this one as long as it’ll go. Only thing I’ve done so far outside oil changes and other routine stuff was brakes. Which I consider routine.

Another reason is swear by them is AWD in a very snowy climate without SUV gas mileage.

Where I live (we don't get most US models) Ford isn't really considered super dependable. Not the worst, but certainly not comparable to Toyota, Honda, Mazda.

I would recommend pretty much any Japanese vehicle. Look closely at Honda or Toyota. I have had good experiences with Hondas, personally.

I want to be that person posting a picture of the odometer hitting 300k miles.

I am at ~280k in my Honda Insight, my dad is ~320k in his Accord, and my mom is at ~400k in her Odyssey. My husband is at ~186k in his Civic, but he doesn't drive much.

German cars. Not because they're great, but because I swear whilst being in the same physical location as them. I've owned a handful of VWs/Audis and they are rather annoying vehicles to work on. Though half of them I've owned lacked any major issues. Just expensive... Fairly expensive.

Joking aside, Toyota is always a safe bet for reliability.

My Toyota ran for 25 years until it got hit N run by a Jeep

So far I've owned a Ford, Chevy, and Hyundai. Ford and Chevy were nothing but trouble; had the Hyundai for about 4 years now and not a single issue, so it's got my vote.

i've driven a couple of Fords recently that were very good quality.. Ford seems to be doing things right, but check forums and stuff about specific models.. but i'd also probably bet money on almost any Honda Accord easily reaching 250-300k miles with good care..

Suckless philosophy. The less computerization the better. I wanna be able to fix the whole thing with a 10mm, a jack, and an adjustable spanner.

Currently I have a 92 Corolla, it has too many computerized parts and I'm planning to replace the engine with a carbureted 3 rotor and a manual transmission. Ideally, I'd also like to implement Koenigsegg freevalve as well.

If all goes to plan, it could handle an EMP and keep running, though I'm not a prepper or anything, i just want a fully mechanical vehicle because I understand mechanics, but adding computers into the mix muddies the water.

The problem with the computer parts is that they're closed sourced and tivo-ized. Computers could be as flexible and tractable as mechanical parts.

If I'm gonna have computers in my car, ideally they'd be arduino-like such that I can modify the code on-board as I see fit or replace the parts relatively cheaply if damage were to occur to the electronics.

And if there's some issue of people making modifications to that code that should reasonably be illegal, that part could be made read-only. I can't off the top of my head imagine what people would want to modify but shouldn't but if it became a problem it would be easy to fix.

For me, I'd edit things like timing as well as whether a given cylinder/rotor is actively firing based on engine load, disabling cylinders under low load (eg: already at speed, idling) to improve fuel efficiency and maximize power output for a given amount of fuel based on load and whatever the task at hand is (eg hauling loads, hauling ass, or gentle driving)

Edited: I was really tired when I typed this and missed a couple very important words.

mid 90s to mid 00s corollas i know they are different gens there but any from that era are great for reliability.

I've had 2 Chevys 1 Ford & 2 Hondas. I had multiple breakdowns and expensive mechanical issues with Chevy & Ford.

The only thing I ever paid to repair on either Honda was a windshield because a rock hit it.

Had a Honda that we sold after 16 or 17 years. It was not without problems, but it was cheap to fix and ran very well for it's age. Have a Chevy Tahoe now (but any full size truck is comparable) that is going on the same record. Haven't had to do anything outside of regular maintenance, runs great.

Here's the thing: don't buy a really cheap car because those probably have problems and it will always be one thing after another. A big truck will run forever (I see dozens of 30+ year old trucks on the road) if you take care of it, but they're sometimes expensive to fix and usually impractical if you don't already need a truck. Any car you really take care of -- and that means doing all the maintenance on time or early, sometimes whether it needs it or not -- should last a long time. My Tahoe I take care of meticulously because it was very expensive, and that has paid off with stress-free ownership. Had a Jeep that was a pain in the ass every other month.

You can Google for a list of the cars that will go past 200k. Most of them are Hondas and Toyotas, but some American cars are on the list too. If you can find someone who works for a car rental agency, they'll tell you the cars that are always getting repaired and the ones that never do.

Ford Crown Victoria.

Big and comfy. Bulletproof engines. Easy to work on. Only issue is it’s a gas guzzler. But you’ll be saving that money on cheap insurance and cheap parts. I suggest to get the LX trim and not the police car.

Unpopular opinion, but Tesla model 3 has been the best car with the lowest total cost of ownership.

Electricity is cheaper than gas by a lot, no moving parts or fluids to replace except washer fluid, brakes last forever since it’s Regen braking.

It’s also pretty fun to drive.

Not a fan of the dude, and never bought into the hype on the tech side, but it’s a solid car.

I'd say any electric car, other than the early nissan leaf. Most batteries will last a couple hundred thousand miles without losing much capacity.

Pre-1975 FJ40 is an indestructible super car

Swear by? Is that like a drive by but with swearing?

Honda and Toyota sedans are extremely well known for their longevity. Double check their SUVs or minivans if you want that, some were misses. If the model has a CVT (continuously variable transmission) look into the reliability of it.

I'm kind of surprised nobody said Kia (and for that matter, Hyundai) yet?

JD Power has ranked Kia in the top 3 in dependability for the past few years and gave them the #1 spot last year. They also have a 10yr/100k mile warranty so theoretically they'll survive for a very long time.

They do have a bad wrap with the car thefts going on, but that issue is addressed with their newer models. I do suppose though that to a dumb "thrill seeker" that doesn't mean you're immune to attempted thefts.

Problem is that even if you have a newer kai or Hyundai, if you live in an area with a lot of car thefts, they'll still break the window and try.

So you might not lose your car, but you'll still be more susceptible to damage. You'll probably be fine, but it is worth noting.

Totally agree. I worked at a few lube shops over the years and was always impressed with Hyundai and Kia as they rarely ever had as many issues as a lot of other manufacturers. They totally screwed the pooch with the interlock decision, and have had some recent reliability issues with certain engines, but I think they build pretty good cars overall. Hyundai has also been doing some pretty good styling with their newest models

Would you like to retract this statement by any chance? I mean a family member of mine's kia caught on fire, so I'm wondering if you're still firm on your decision or not.

If you can name a single manufacturer that hasn't had a recall for an issue that lead to death/injury/property damage maybe I'd consider it, but I know there isn't one so I stand by my statement.

All the cars my family has owned have never caught on fire until now.

Unless you've owned millions of cars, that has no statistical relevance.

To be honest, even though you brought up them and the car thefts, the car thefts are what ruined Hyundai Motor Group for me. Their lack of caring about the safety of others and their lack of spending a couple more dollars to put in immobilizers means more to me than them being "dependable." Their vehicles looked cool, but they ruined their chance with me as a potential customer. The way Hyundai Motor Group has been handling the situation has been a complete pigsty and everything else after that means nothing to me as a consumer. They could have the best safety/longevity, but at what cost? Thousands Tens of innocent lives being taken because they were too cheap to put in immobilizers? Cars can be replaced. Humans cannot.

Edit (September 6th, 2023): Made a correction. At the time of this correction, according to a user below this conversation, there have only been 8 deaths. That's still 8 deaths too many in my honest opinion.

Maybe I missed something, but how have thousands of lives been lost due to this?

People stealing cars and crashing into people, houses, etc.

Well the good news is it hasn't been anywhere near thousands of deaths. Everywhere I've looked says "at least 8" have been killed. Bad news is that is still way too many.

One source

Appreciate the correction. Thank you.

I have a Tesla and an audi.

I have a Nissan I gave to my kid. 2008. Only one issue during the first year. Otherwise it’s been trouble free. I’ve been impressed with it.