Now if they could just take this lesson and apply it to the rest of the 'information' that is supplied by the media environment they have immersed themselves in.
These people are going to go home and be proud of how they defended the border and tell everyone about it.
"Immigrants stopped coming because we were there! See?! It works!"
"Lisa, I want to buy your rock."
Wasn't there some scammer that was selling pieces of the border wall? Like you could sponsor a piece of it and have your name on it?
personalized vanity stones with family names and little messages being used to stop families at the border is actually hilarious
"From the Johnsons. Peter, Debbie, and little David. - we're hate-filled!"
or one with their pets pawprint "my Pepper is just as racist as I am!"
I remember when debate was getting started about the ACA (Obamacare). I was debating it with my friends older brother. He is the kind of Catholic that will shame you for not going to church.
So he's ranting about the merits of universal healthcare and I asked him what Jesus would do. Let's just say he didn't like that. He later blocked me on social media and it was the last discussion we ever had.
What a happy ending. Some people are really cynical about the Internet these days but it's things like your comment that give me hope.
He should have gone on about Jesus making the leppers work at Starbucks so they had health coverage before healing them.
It's "lepers". "Leprosy" only has one p
It used to have 2, then one fell off.
In before the Christians come to tell everyone that those aren't real Christians.
I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet, to be honest.
The last time they tried a Civil war they failed, and destroyed their own economies in the process. That time, they had some of the best generals available. This time they have Boebert and Trump to lead them,
"Best generals available" might be a bit of a stretch. That's a bit of the Lost Cause mythology still wrattling about the internet.
Lee almost took it too, he didn't want to secede but he felt like he was betraying his fellow statesmen in Virginia. People forget that before the civil war people didn't think of themselves as Americans, they thought of themselves as citizens of whatever state they were from.
From what I've read, before the War people said "...the United States are..." and after they changed it to "...the United States IS..."
Also, I like the stories that the British had agents who privately encouraged the South to fight the North in order to keep America weak. Putin didn't invent anything new
From what you've read in.. the script of National Treasure?
On the contrary, I think your comment is a bit of a stretch in the other direction. Leaving variances in talent among individuals aside, the officers on both sides were broadly comparable because they had all gone through the same West Point training and were colleagues in the same chain of command, with the same strategy and doctrine, until the Southern ones turned traitor.
I haven't seen that part disputed? To my knowledge there was a very good reason Lee was the superintendent at the US Military Academy and was even offered a Union command before Virginia seceded, and this pattern holds with his underlings too. A lot of Confederate victories were beating odd against bigger Union armies.
When the upper threshold for greatness available to you is a 3/10, a 2.5 looks pretty good.
I understood that pro-union misinformation and propaganda and poor understanding of history is orders of magnitude less harmful than pro-confederate, but it still bothers me. Lee was an incredible general. Jackson, Longstreet, even Early were excellent tacticians. The union could not field anyone who was a match for them until Grant and Sherman.
I love "wrattling". kind of a wrestling-meets-defective-machinery.
Wasn't their general first helping to lead the Union army before Virginia turned against the Union and he turned with them?
Lee was offered comman of the union army by Lincoln.
That part of the mythos is fairly accurate.
Well it doesn't help it any that "lost cause" is 100% what some of our elected officials are spouting currently
I assume ending this comment on a comma was intentional but even if it wasn't it's perfect
It was an error. I should have ended with the '...'
The U.S. government has a professional army. They have nothing. And when the vast majority of the country lives paycheck-to-paycheck, you're not going to get a lot of (male, obviously, 'cause ladies is too fragile) bodies on the front lines when people can barely feed their kids on two incomes. Not without a draft. Good luck with that, Texas.
I dont think you know about the rednecks in Texas. They all have guns and have played Call of Duty. That makes them enough of a trained militia in their eyes to make a go at it.
It's not about what they believe they're capable of, it's about what they can actually afford to do. If you have two kids and a house you're just barely able to afford and are in a large amount of debt despite both adults in the household working full time jobs, you're not likely going to let your kids starve in order to fight a war of secession.
Yeah, sure, but you see, it's all THE LIBRULS' FAULT, so you basically MUST go to war to show 'em.
Punish the enemy for all the things I blame them for
???
Profit!
The ??? is "take their money and kill them"
See: Holocaust
whats sad is they do believe that
Now I wonder. Does Texas even have the ability to draft people into its own "army?" I'm sure they'd have plenty of volunteers itching to fight "the gubment," but the Selective Service my friends were a part of was for the US military.
I suppose if they secede, they can do whatever they want. They will claim sovereignty. So I suppose they could have a draft. I just don't think it would work out well for them.
Presumably they'd be expecting a bunch of folks in the US military with roots in Texas to defect and join them.
It will be defecrors from almost every unit, svery state. And i feel it would be a big percentage.
Why?
Republicans are mentally defective.
Republicans are mentally deflective.
FTFY
¿Porque no los dos?
MAGA convoy confused by red laser pointer
I'm surprised any of them even made it to Texas, considering how hard they descended into paranoia and fear.
Who, Texans?
confused Trumpanzee noises
Trumpanzee....that's brilliant!
Trumpanzee
Oh, hell yeah. I’m gonna do use this wherever I can now.
Wait… wasn't there a huge invasion of South American immigrants about to hit our border in 2020? What ever happened to them? And what about the roving bands of Antifa attacking small towns?
These fucking idiots believe whatever the fuck is fed to them. They don't remember all the times that info was wrong and realign. That's why they're dangerous: they aren't operating on even the appearance of facts.
They have the memories of goldfish. Remember Jade Helm, where supposedly Democrats were going to put Republicans in Walmarts converted into concentration camps? When that didn't happen, did all those MAGA idiots who believed it say, "huh. Maybe I should rethink things?" No, they just forgot it was even a thing they said was going to happen within a day or two.
I saw a cop bodycam video with someone who was talking about (jade jelm) that during the time it was supposedly happening / about to happen. Absolutely stunning.
The guy who chased an officer in the Capitol on J6 (Douglas Jensen) reportedly kept asking FBI agents if they knew who Q was or if they were in on the op. I think he was confused why they weren't a part of it or some such drivel. These people mostly have the lowest media literacy and ability to work through logic. They are 100% id-driven. The small amount that think rationally run the grift at the top, such as Bannon and that ilk.
I didn't know anything about JH until sometime last year. Here's from Wikipedia:
Jim Shea of the Hartford Courant wrote that the conspiracy theories included: a "psychological operation aimed at getting people used to seeing military forces on the streets" so that they do not realize when an invasion actually takes place; an international operation aimed to seize people's guns; recently closed Walmarts used by the military to "stockpile supplies for Chinese troops who will be arriving to disarm Americans"; and a military plan to "round up political dissidents" and "remove key political figures" who may be against the imposition of martial law.[17] Other theories have described Jade Helm 15 as a "secret plot" to impose martial law, confiscate firearms, invade Texas, and institute "total population control."[18]
Seriously, who the fuck can believe this stupid shit? We're gonna have a foreign power come take your guns? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
Conservatives have only enough thought to register emotions. No ability to question a narrative.
Invade Texas... Lol they wish. What a victim complex these assholes have
I guy I worked with says he stayed up all night holding a loaded AR when "BLM protesters were going to break into houses in small towns across America" and then said it was a good thing he did it... after absolutely nothing happened... anywhere...
I am so confused about these people sometimes. It's like how they simultaneously say that the January 6th insurrectionists were all secretly Antifa but also they're Trump-loving patriots who are being treated unfairly by the courts.
Sounds a bit like my dog. When she sees another dog being walked past the house, she makes an alarm bark to let me know there is an invader coming. Then , due solely to her alarm (and not at all because they're just on a walk), the interloper moved along, and called off their imminent invasion. "See", my dog barks at me. "You're lucky I'm here to protect you from that bitch...."
Ah yes, the infamous iMmIgRaNt CaRaVaN.
It's like they didn't expect any of these losers to actually get off their asses and see for themselves that it's bullshit. Whoops.
Not that it matters for the rest of them. They're too far gone.
They are walking here. Imagine for a second that you had to walk to the store...be honest, we're Americans, it would take years. You would probably never make it back home if it was winter, at night or full summer. It's a trek. Now imagine walking from guatemala (prenounced watemalla). They are coming 😁. And when they get here, they're going to dangerously tired. So dangerous in fact that we just gotta send people there.... To help.
Well obviously it was stopped before it could be a problem! /s
Genuinely reminds me of the Orc Army led by Dragons in Gothic 2.
Let's tell them that there's a border invasion at the site of the Titanic wreckage
Somehow I think they are confused about a lot of stuff.
The most connected period in human history also produces the dumbest humans, apparently.
the morons have connected through no fault of their own; stupidity has been enabled.
Not just enabled. Weaponized.
Connected? We've never been more divided
Connected as in technologically.
China’s gonna collapse any day. Look at Gaza. Democrats are not immune.
If you're protesting the gaza genocide you're clearly working for Putin to... um distract from Ukraine? Hey wait a minute...
Gaza is not a genocide
dude.. they literally bombed all the hospitals in gaza, there are none left there.
The 15 permanent judges of the ICJ unanimously said as much, and Israel and Netanyahu basically calling it a genocide themselves.
No they didn't. Not saying the ruling is right or wrong but the court did not call it a genocide (yet).
The ruling has been massively downplayed by the german media with headlines like "does not order ceasefire" when it ordered Israel to "stop killing members of the group", basically ordered them to stop committing acts of genocide. At this stage they could not be any clearer!
They also ordered under 80. the immediate provision and humanitarian aid. On the same day Israel comes up with this accusation about some 12 out of thousands of aid workers being member of hamas. Then Germany among others cuts of humanitarian aid, directly in violation of the ICJ order. Which now makes Germany complicit in the genocide.
If Israel is allowed to continue a million innocent civilians could easily die horribly from starvation, thirst or disease, as well as just exposure.
The Court considers that, with regard to the situation described above, Israel must, in
accordance with its obligations under the Genocide Convention, in relation to Palestinians in Gaza,
take all measures within its power to prevent the commission of all acts within the scope of Article
II of this Convention, in particular: (a) killing members of the group; (b) causing serious bodily or
mental harm to members of the group; (c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life
calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and (d) imposing measures
intended to prevent births within the group. The Court recalls that these acts fall within the scope of
Article II of the Convention when they are committed with the intent to destroy in whole or in part a
group as such (see paragraph 44 above). The Court further considers that Israel must ensure with
immediate effect that its military forces do not commit any of the above-described acts.
The Court is also of the view that Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent
and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the
Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip.
The Court further considers that Israel must take immediate and effective measures to
enable the provision of urgently needed basic services and humanitarian assistance to address the
adverse conditions of life faced by Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.
Israel must also take effective measures to prevent the destruction and ensure the
preservation of evidence related to allegations of acts within the scope of Article II and Article III of
the Genocide Convention against members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip.
My point is that the judges did not unanonimously called it genocide. I just don't want fake news being spread. The ruling has much more nuance than that.
All this nonsense can be removed with one simple statement. One simple argument.
Gaza is as dense as New York City.
If they wanted to commit genocide deaths would be far higher than 30,000.
Also you're ignoring the absolute fact that has been demonstrated many many times, that palestinian terrorists like Hamas embed themselves within civilian infrastructure and hide among civilian populations.
This is why Israel has to warn people before they bomb a certain area. And of course the terrorist escape due to these warnings as well.
Does that sound like a genocide to you?
Not if you're honest it doesn't.
If Israel wanted to genocide Gaza the numbers would be far far higher we're talking over a quarter million deaths. It would be absurdly easy. It's important that you be honest internally otherwise you make the world worse despite what you might think are noble intentions.
You're completely uninformed about the definition and the laws against genocide.
I'm actually not and genocide doesn't have multiple definitions which is a thing that unfortunately people who claim to be progressive love to do... I'm progressive myself but I draw distinction between myself and many progressives by calling myself a moderate progressive. I don't try and redefine words to fit my ideology.
Genocide means to try and wipe out totally a people or an ethnicity through means of violence or deliberate actions. Things like the Holocaust and the Armenian genocide are good examples as is the Khmer Rogue terror in Cambodia.
However horrifying examples of violence on a grand scale like the rape of Nanking during World War II do not count because they are not attempts to eradicate an entire ethnicity or people nor do they end up having that impact whether the intention was or not.
If the rape of Nanking does not qualify as a genocide then there's no way in heck the Gaza war does. I need you to be honest and have integrity so that we can make the world better. As progressives we will only have ourselves to blame if we let emotion and passion override logic and truth. Because it WILL make the world worse long-term.
I'm in favor of a ceasefire at this point but it is absolutely not a genocide nor was it ever.
Note the words "acts committed with **intent **to destroy, in whole or in part"
Also "Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;" There is evidence of Netanyaho and other ministers doing this. Just now some minister was talking about settling Gaza, again implying the total removal of Palestinians.
On 28 October 2023, as Israeli forces prepared their land
invasion of Gaza, the Prime Minister invoked the Biblical story of the total destruction of
Amalek by the Israelites, stating: “you must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our
Holy Bible. And we do remember”.446 The Prime Minister referred again to Amalek in the letter
sent on 3 November 2023 to Israeli soldiers and officers.447 The relevant biblical passage reads
as follows: “Now go, attack Amalek, and proscribe all that belongs to him. Spare no one, but
kill alike men and women, infants and sucklings, oxen and sheep, camels and asses”
This is Israel's stated intent! If we let them continue, that is what we have to assume will happen! 1.5 million refugees inside Gaza, locked in, no power, not enough food and water, most hospitals bombed, population density of new york. What do you think is going to happen?
It's called the "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide", not the "lets sit back and discuss the finer technical details until they are all dead before we judge" convention.
There is a story how all this is obfuscated at CNN but similar is happening in German public broadcasting. Germany admirably protests against the AfD, but the government is making Germany complicit in Genocide again.
So under this ridiculously broad definition any war whatsoever is genocide.
We both know that's not a good definition nor is it really an accurate one historically. Nor is it what the vast overwhelming majority of people think genocide means.
And if the vast overall majority of people think one thing of a word that it doesn't matter that a book says this is the actual meaning because people collectively decide what the meaning of words are.
Either way even this broad approach fails anyway because Israel is not trying to destroy Palestinians They're trying to destroy a terrorist group that routinely murders people en masse.
They’re trying to destroy a terrorist group that routinely murders people en masse.
Ok. Do you think after this bombing campaign - one of the most intense in modern history - in your judgement if you look at what the 1.5 million Palestinians are going through: Do you think there are now more or less of them wanting to fight for Hamas?
Hyperbole. Why don't you stick to the actual facts? It's okay to be wrong. In fact being wrong is an opportunity! It's an opportunity for growth and improvement! You literally cannot do either of those things unless you acknowledge that you're wrong at times.
meanwhile, I ran into some moron from another country trying to tell me, an American, about how 26 US state governors have stood against the government and are "amassing troops at the texan border."
Fucking hilarious if it weren't so fucking sad and dangerous.
It's mostly an embedded clip from MSNBC; clicking the linked article can be informative!
I'm also not sure what bias you are accusing Meidas Touch of in the headline (since we know you didn't get any further than that)? Is it the part about the maga convoy being confused? We know they are easily led from one moral outrage to another without really understanding the issues.
The part about there not being an invasion at the border? It's obvious there isn't anything of the sort happening, because the people that are claiming it's happening are the same ones who just said that they refuse to do anything about it for a year, until (they hope) Trump is president.
I’m also not sure what bias you are accusing Meidas Touch of in the headline (since we know you didn’t get any further than that)?
If only someone had provided a link that would have answered that question, you know, in the post you replied to. I guess you were the one who couldnt get that far.
Sure, but all the MBFC link proves is that Meidas Touch has an unapologetic left-leaning bias, and they tend to only bother running stories that support that bias. Unlike many other "mixed" factual reporting news sites, they're not in that category for lying and/or spreading misinformation. This suggests that the article is true. There's no value in your original insinuation that there's something wrong with the source of this information, as per your own link.
MeidasTouch does not have a reputation for giving factual information, and its extreme bias makes it inherently untrustworthy.. and despite what you claim about them not lying/spreading misinformation, mediabiascheck cites 3 different times they've failed a fact check because they were spreading false/made up information.
The real question is why you think its not okay to call out bad sources if they are left leaning. Which is what you surely seem to be implying, with your blatant misrepresentation of whats on the mediabiasfact page about mediastouch and how hard you are trying to defend meidastouch despite a documented history of being fast and lose with facts and truth.
But you wont answer that
No, I wager you'd be more inclined to drill into one factual thing in one article and use that to handwave away meidastouch's problematic patterns, because your bias is more important than reputable sources and factual reporting.. because thats what you're already doing here, and now.
Overall, we rate MeidasTouch Left Biased based on the negative portrayal of Donald Trump and Republicans and the promotion of Democratic candidates. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to a lack of transparency with funding and the publication of one-sided content that can be misleading.
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Just working with your sources. I don't care about Meidas Touch. I hadn't even heard of them before I stumbled into this thread.
I think it's okay to accept that everything and everyone has a bias. Removing bias from all reporting is simply impossible, so instead we work to understand our bias' and the bias' of others and instead call out non-factual reporting. So, to answer your question, I think it's okay to call out bad sourced for being bad regardless of their lean, but I also don't think have a noteworthy lean makes them inherently bad.
I don't appreciate the straw man you're attempting to build for me. Trying to angrily have my half of the conversation while spewing a pile of assumptions about what I think is a bad look. Unless the look you're going for is "a random idiot", which, I mean, when someone tells you who they are, believe them.
MeidasTouch does not have a reputation for giving factual information
prove it, where are the lies and misinformation?
The real question is why you think its not okay to call out bad sources if they are left leaning.
No, the real question is why you think left leaning bias = bad source.
MBFC says this:
Overall, we rate MeidasTouch Left Biased based on the negative portrayal of Donald Trump and Republicans and the promotion of Democratic candidates. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to a lack of transparency with funding and the publication of one-sided content that can be misleading.
None of that has anything to do with false 'facts' and the like, bias doesn't equal bad source until said bias leads to the degradation of truth in the reporting.
trying to defend meidastouch despite a documented history of being fast and lose with facts and truth.
again, where is the proof? You can't just speak things into existence. YOU are the one bringing this accusation, so YOU are the one with the onus to provide proof of said accusations.
I love how the supposed "law and order" types are out here screeching "calling crimes crime is extreme leftist bias!"
Laugh at the stupid convoy hicks! Get some clicks!
I'm all for laughing at them.
Just give me a reputable source with factual information.
Meidastouch is gaslighting propaganda, the liberal version of OAN
There are definitely more reputable sources for information than either of them, thats for sure.
Imagine doing research
In a way they did... just a very unnecessary, expensive, personal data collection method.
I wonder how bad the filter bubble is for some people. Like "relevant search results" or articles in their preferred news media. And trained cognitive biases. There is a lot of deliberate effort from the fascists and careless ignorance from tech companies to make it this way.
MAGA Convoy Confused.
All that needed be said.
They probably also believe that the earth is flat. Or that an exiled Nigerian prince wants to bequeath them billions in exchange for helping him smuggle his inheritance out of the country.
Crossings have increased, but it’s not an invasion.
Welp, I'm adding that to my video collection in preparation for 2024 election bullshit.
This amounts to an anecdote. This is the live national television equivalent of a tweet, and then someone wrote an article about the "tweet" this bumpkin made. There is no actual reporting done, no fact-checking (in before someone objects, "But wait! there were no facts to check!"), no following up with other sources. I doubt very much the "source" would agree with her characterization here. This is a nothingburger, and I have to agree with that guy getting spamdownvoted that this source is dogshit, while merrily disagreeing that MBFC is worth even half a turd.
This amounts to an anecdote.
it's an interview with one of the people that traveled there based on the "news" they consumed. It's not just 'an anecdote', it's a first person source from someone at the location who is part of this group that went there.
This isn't just a 'my uncle once saw xyz', you are mischaracterizing the context.
Also, in regards to MBFC,
Overall, we rate MeidasTouch Left Biased based on the negative portrayal of Donald Trump and Republicans and the promotion of Democratic candidates. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to a lack of transparency with funding
dOgShIt!!!!!
this isn't a great "article" in general to post, but you're being extreme
I'm not saying a convoy is the answer lol. But there is a border crisis.
The "border crisis" is made up. If we opened our borders, suddenly there wouldn't be a "crisis" anymore and the vast majority of Americans would see no change in their day-to-day lives.
America needs to stop worrying about non existent issues and focus more on taking care of their citizens.
If you watched the video, I think you wouldn't be replying to me like this.
Your point was like the core fucking focus of the video.
There's a crisis because people need to cross illegally to start the asylum process. Instead of it being more accessible.
So, according to your own logic, if the asylum would be more accessible then there would be no border crisis.
That's exactly what he's telling you
THAT'S WHAT I'M FUCKING SAYING. I'M AGREEING WITH YOU GUYS.
fuckin lemmy is insufferable god dam you all suck
Exactly. I don't need to watch the video. The talking points from the "bOrDeR cRiSiS" people are always the same. Come up with a new argument.
I'm literally agreeing with you, you fucking monkey.
And so am I. What happened to this conversation?
That's a great video.
I see what you're doing here, but I'm afraid you were doomed the moment you linked a 23 minute video. People don't have that kind of attention spans for their own family, let alone a stranger trying to make a point on the internet.
There's literally a border crisis. A huge one. Anyone saying otherwise is too blind to see the trees for the forest.
I didn't make a mistake posting a video. Others made a mistake making huge assumptions and slinging shit immediately. I'm not responsible for others jumping the gun.
The Crisis in New York does not exist, ignore the over flowing shelters and streets.
No one is fixing houselessness so why are you bringing it up in a thread about a border crossing?
Because they are trying to distract with a shitty whataboutism argument.
Also, if anything, Texas is potentially contributing to New York’s homeless problem by spending millions of dollars busing migrants and dropping them off at the city without any support. If these are “invaders”, then Texas is aiding the “enemy” and conducting economic warfare against the city.
I wholeheartedly accept Abbott's framing that this is an invasion. Moving invaders farther into the country they are invading is certainly providing aid and comfort. Therefore, Greg Abbott is a traitor.
Maybe they’re suggesting the MAGAians should’ve convoyed to New York instead and volunteered at some shelters, helping the least amongst us like their Bible says.
What is a convoy of retired hillbillies driving down to Texas going to do to fix that? Do you think if they go down there and start a-shootin' Messicans that somehow all the undocumented immigrants in New York will dissolve into puddles on the sidewalk?
Just like vampires, if you kill the Master the underlings turn into US citizens.
the underlings turn into US citizens.
Uh-oh. That's the last thing these bigots want.
Unless they're straight, white, and claim to be Christian.
You mean the New York that has a fascist cop (but I repeat myself) as a mayor? The New York whose local Dem leadership is probably the second most conservative and corrupt from lack of competition after that of Chicago? That New York?
Now if they could just take this lesson and apply it to the rest of the 'information' that is supplied by the media environment they have immersed themselves in.
These people are going to go home and be proud of how they defended the border and tell everyone about it.
"Immigrants stopped coming because we were there! See?! It works!"
"Lisa, I want to buy your rock."
Wasn't there some scammer that was selling pieces of the border wall? Like you could sponsor a piece of it and have your name on it?
personalized vanity stones with family names and little messages being used to stop families at the border is actually hilarious
"From the Johnsons. Peter, Debbie, and little David. - we're hate-filled!"
or one with their pets pawprint "my Pepper is just as racist as I am!"
Lol, "lesson." As if this would teach them anything .That's cute.
As if they had the capability to learn. That was beaten out of them with a bibble before primary school.
But, of course, it won't occur to them that this is because their Republican masters are lying to them.
At this point they'd rather forsake god as a socialist than believe the Nazi...ahem...”Republican” party can do wrong.
Oh they already do.
https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak
I remember when debate was getting started about the ACA (Obamacare). I was debating it with my friends older brother. He is the kind of Catholic that will shame you for not going to church.
So he's ranting about the merits of universal healthcare and I asked him what Jesus would do. Let's just say he didn't like that. He later blocked me on social media and it was the last discussion we ever had.
What a happy ending. Some people are really cynical about the Internet these days but it's things like your comment that give me hope.
He should have gone on about Jesus making the leppers work at Starbucks so they had health coverage before healing them.
It's "lepers". "Leprosy" only has one p
It used to have 2, then one fell off.
In before the Christians come to tell everyone that those aren't real Christians.
I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet, to be honest.
The last time they tried a Civil war they failed, and destroyed their own economies in the process. That time, they had some of the best generals available. This time they have Boebert and Trump to lead them,
"Best generals available" might be a bit of a stretch. That's a bit of the Lost Cause mythology still wrattling about the internet.
https://history.info/did-you-know/general-lee-offered-command-union-army/
Lincoln offered Lee command of the Union Army.
Lee almost took it too, he didn't want to secede but he felt like he was betraying his fellow statesmen in Virginia. People forget that before the civil war people didn't think of themselves as Americans, they thought of themselves as citizens of whatever state they were from.
From what I've read, before the War people said "...the United States are..." and after they changed it to "...the United States IS..."
Also, I like the stories that the British had agents who privately encouraged the South to fight the North in order to keep America weak. Putin didn't invent anything new
From what you've read in.. the script of National Treasure?
On the contrary, I think your comment is a bit of a stretch in the other direction. Leaving variances in talent among individuals aside, the officers on both sides were broadly comparable because they had all gone through the same West Point training and were colleagues in the same chain of command, with the same strategy and doctrine, until the Southern ones turned traitor.
I haven't seen that part disputed? To my knowledge there was a very good reason Lee was the superintendent at the US Military Academy and was even offered a Union command before Virginia seceded, and this pattern holds with his underlings too. A lot of Confederate victories were beating odd against bigger Union armies.
When the upper threshold for greatness available to you is a 3/10, a 2.5 looks pretty good.
I understood that pro-union misinformation and propaganda and poor understanding of history is orders of magnitude less harmful than pro-confederate, but it still bothers me. Lee was an incredible general. Jackson, Longstreet, even Early were excellent tacticians. The union could not field anyone who was a match for them until Grant and Sherman.
I love "wrattling". kind of a wrestling-meets-defective-machinery.
Wasn't their general first helping to lead the Union army before Virginia turned against the Union and he turned with them?
Lee was offered comman of the union army by Lincoln.
That part of the mythos is fairly accurate.
Well it doesn't help it any that "lost cause" is 100% what some of our elected officials are spouting currently
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy#:~:text=The%20Lost%20Cause%20of%20the,and%20not%20centered%20on%20slavery.
I assume ending this comment on a comma was intentional but even if it wasn't it's perfect
It was an error. I should have ended with the '...'
The U.S. government has a professional army. They have nothing. And when the vast majority of the country lives paycheck-to-paycheck, you're not going to get a lot of (male, obviously, 'cause ladies is too fragile) bodies on the front lines when people can barely feed their kids on two incomes. Not without a draft. Good luck with that, Texas.
I dont think you know about the rednecks in Texas. They all have guns and have played Call of Duty. That makes them enough of a trained militia in their eyes to make a go at it.
It's not about what they believe they're capable of, it's about what they can actually afford to do. If you have two kids and a house you're just barely able to afford and are in a large amount of debt despite both adults in the household working full time jobs, you're not likely going to let your kids starve in order to fight a war of secession.
Yeah, sure, but you see, it's all THE LIBRULS' FAULT, so you basically MUST go to war to show 'em.
Punish the enemy for all the things I blame them for
???
Profit!
The ??? is "take their money and kill them"
See: Holocaust
whats sad is they do believe that
Now I wonder. Does Texas even have the ability to draft people into its own "army?" I'm sure they'd have plenty of volunteers itching to fight "the gubment," but the Selective Service my friends were a part of was for the US military.
I suppose if they secede, they can do whatever they want. They will claim sovereignty. So I suppose they could have a draft. I just don't think it would work out well for them.
Presumably they'd be expecting a bunch of folks in the US military with roots in Texas to defect and join them.
It will be defecrors from almost every unit, svery state. And i feel it would be a big percentage.
Why?
Republicans are mentally defective.
FTFY
¿Porque no los dos?
MAGA convoy confused by red laser pointer
I'm surprised any of them even made it to Texas, considering how hard they descended into paranoia and fear.
Who, Texans?
confused Trumpanzee noises
Trumpanzee....that's brilliant!
Oh, hell yeah. I’m gonna do use this wherever I can now.
Wait… wasn't there a huge invasion of South American immigrants about to hit our border in 2020? What ever happened to them? And what about the roving bands of Antifa attacking small towns?
These fucking idiots believe whatever the fuck is fed to them. They don't remember all the times that info was wrong and realign. That's why they're dangerous: they aren't operating on even the appearance of facts.
They have the memories of goldfish. Remember Jade Helm, where supposedly Democrats were going to put Republicans in Walmarts converted into concentration camps? When that didn't happen, did all those MAGA idiots who believed it say, "huh. Maybe I should rethink things?" No, they just forgot it was even a thing they said was going to happen within a day or two.
I saw a cop bodycam video with someone who was talking about (jade jelm) that during the time it was supposedly happening / about to happen. Absolutely stunning.
The guy who chased an officer in the Capitol on J6 (Douglas Jensen) reportedly kept asking FBI agents if they knew who Q was or if they were in on the op. I think he was confused why they weren't a part of it or some such drivel. These people mostly have the lowest media literacy and ability to work through logic. They are 100% id-driven. The small amount that think rationally run the grift at the top, such as Bannon and that ilk.
I didn't know anything about JH until sometime last year. Here's from Wikipedia:
Seriously, who the fuck can believe this stupid shit? We're gonna have a foreign power come take your guns? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
Conservatives have only enough thought to register emotions. No ability to question a narrative.
Invade Texas... Lol they wish. What a victim complex these assholes have
I guy I worked with says he stayed up all night holding a loaded AR when "BLM protesters were going to break into houses in small towns across America" and then said it was a good thing he did it... after absolutely nothing happened... anywhere...
I am so confused about these people sometimes. It's like how they simultaneously say that the January 6th insurrectionists were all secretly Antifa but also they're Trump-loving patriots who are being treated unfairly by the courts.
Sounds a bit like my dog. When she sees another dog being walked past the house, she makes an alarm bark to let me know there is an invader coming. Then , due solely to her alarm (and not at all because they're just on a walk), the interloper moved along, and called off their imminent invasion. "See", my dog barks at me. "You're lucky I'm here to protect you from that bitch...."
Ah yes, the infamous iMmIgRaNt CaRaVaN.
It's like they didn't expect any of these losers to actually get off their asses and see for themselves that it's bullshit. Whoops.
Not that it matters for the rest of them. They're too far gone.
They are walking here. Imagine for a second that you had to walk to the store...be honest, we're Americans, it would take years. You would probably never make it back home if it was winter, at night or full summer. It's a trek. Now imagine walking from guatemala (prenounced watemalla). They are coming 😁. And when they get here, they're going to dangerously tired. So dangerous in fact that we just gotta send people there.... To help.
Well obviously it was stopped before it could be a problem! /s
Genuinely reminds me of the Orc Army led by Dragons in Gothic 2.
Mission accomplished!!
set parade on -tickertape -flags
Let's tell them that there's a border invasion at the site of the Titanic wreckage
Somehow I think they are confused about a lot of stuff.
The most connected period in human history also produces the dumbest humans, apparently.
the morons have connected through no fault of their own; stupidity has been enabled.
Not just enabled. Weaponized.
Connected? We've never been more divided
Connected as in technologically.
China’s gonna collapse any day. Look at Gaza. Democrats are not immune.
If you're protesting the gaza genocide you're clearly working for Putin to... um distract from Ukraine? Hey wait a minute...
Gaza is not a genocide
dude.. they literally bombed all the hospitals in gaza, there are none left there.
The 15 permanent judges of the ICJ unanimously said as much, and Israel and Netanyahu basically calling it a genocide themselves.
No they didn't. Not saying the ruling is right or wrong but the court did not call it a genocide (yet).
The ruling has been massively downplayed by the german media with headlines like "does not order ceasefire" when it ordered Israel to "stop killing members of the group", basically ordered them to stop committing acts of genocide. At this stage they could not be any clearer!
They also ordered under 80. the immediate provision and humanitarian aid. On the same day Israel comes up with this accusation about some 12 out of thousands of aid workers being member of hamas. Then Germany among others cuts of humanitarian aid, directly in violation of the ICJ order. Which now makes Germany complicit in the genocide.
If Israel is allowed to continue a million innocent civilians could easily die horribly from starvation, thirst or disease, as well as just exposure.
For reference: https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240126-ord-01-00-en.pdf
My point is that the judges did not unanonimously called it genocide. I just don't want fake news being spread. The ruling has much more nuance than that.
All this nonsense can be removed with one simple statement. One simple argument.
Gaza is as dense as New York City.
If they wanted to commit genocide deaths would be far higher than 30,000.
Also you're ignoring the absolute fact that has been demonstrated many many times, that palestinian terrorists like Hamas embed themselves within civilian infrastructure and hide among civilian populations.
This is why Israel has to warn people before they bomb a certain area. And of course the terrorist escape due to these warnings as well.
Does that sound like a genocide to you? Not if you're honest it doesn't.
If Israel wanted to genocide Gaza the numbers would be far far higher we're talking over a quarter million deaths. It would be absurdly easy. It's important that you be honest internally otherwise you make the world worse despite what you might think are noble intentions.
You're completely uninformed about the definition and the laws against genocide.
I'm actually not and genocide doesn't have multiple definitions which is a thing that unfortunately people who claim to be progressive love to do... I'm progressive myself but I draw distinction between myself and many progressives by calling myself a moderate progressive. I don't try and redefine words to fit my ideology.
Genocide means to try and wipe out totally a people or an ethnicity through means of violence or deliberate actions. Things like the Holocaust and the Armenian genocide are good examples as is the Khmer Rogue terror in Cambodia.
However horrifying examples of violence on a grand scale like the rape of Nanking during World War II do not count because they are not attempts to eradicate an entire ethnicity or people nor do they end up having that impact whether the intention was or not.
If the rape of Nanking does not qualify as a genocide then there's no way in heck the Gaza war does. I need you to be honest and have integrity so that we can make the world better. As progressives we will only have ourselves to blame if we let emotion and passion override logic and truth. Because it WILL make the world worse long-term.
I'm in favor of a ceasefire at this point but it is absolutely not a genocide nor was it ever.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention#Definition_of_genocide
Note the words "acts committed with **intent **to destroy, in whole or in part"
Also "Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;" There is evidence of Netanyaho and other ministers doing this. Just now some minister was talking about settling Gaza, again implying the total removal of Palestinians.
This is Israel's stated intent! If we let them continue, that is what we have to assume will happen! 1.5 million refugees inside Gaza, locked in, no power, not enough food and water, most hospitals bombed, population density of new york. What do you think is going to happen?
It's called the "Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide", not the "lets sit back and discuss the finer technical details until they are all dead before we judge" convention.
There is a story how all this is obfuscated at CNN but similar is happening in German public broadcasting. Germany admirably protests against the AfD, but the government is making Germany complicit in Genocide again.
So under this ridiculously broad definition any war whatsoever is genocide.
We both know that's not a good definition nor is it really an accurate one historically. Nor is it what the vast overwhelming majority of people think genocide means.
And if the vast overall majority of people think one thing of a word that it doesn't matter that a book says this is the actual meaning because people collectively decide what the meaning of words are.
Either way even this broad approach fails anyway because Israel is not trying to destroy Palestinians They're trying to destroy a terrorist group that routinely murders people en masse.
Ok. Do you think after this bombing campaign - one of the most intense in modern history - in your judgement if you look at what the 1.5 million Palestinians are going through: Do you think there are now more or less of them wanting to fight for Hamas?
Hyperbole. Why don't you stick to the actual facts? It's okay to be wrong. In fact being wrong is an opportunity! It's an opportunity for growth and improvement! You literally cannot do either of those things unless you acknowledge that you're wrong at times.
I need you to do better and read the actual definition before spouting off about it.
This is a waste of my time because you're not listening to what I'm saying.
I rest my case.
meanwhile, I ran into some moron from another country trying to tell me, an American, about how 26 US state governors have stood against the government and are "amassing troops at the texan border."
Fucking hilarious if it weren't so fucking sad and dangerous.
My first thought when I read the title was
Is this the onion?
Convoys are sooo 2020.
I think anyone associated with "maga" spend most of their lives in a state of confusion.
Perpetual confusion with anger and fear. I mean, these people are mad at rainbows and afraid they're going to rape a someone with a penis.
Fuckin biiiiiiiiiitches.
BAITED!
Get out! Baitin here!
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/meidastouch/
Got a better source than meidastouch?
It's mostly an embedded clip from MSNBC; clicking the linked article can be informative!
I'm also not sure what bias you are accusing Meidas Touch of in the headline (since we know you didn't get any further than that)? Is it the part about the maga convoy being confused? We know they are easily led from one moral outrage to another without really understanding the issues.
The part about there not being an invasion at the border? It's obvious there isn't anything of the sort happening, because the people that are claiming it's happening are the same ones who just said that they refuse to do anything about it for a year, until (they hope) Trump is president.
If only someone had provided a link that would have answered that question, you know, in the post you replied to. I guess you were the one who couldnt get that far.
Sure, but all the MBFC link proves is that Meidas Touch has an unapologetic left-leaning bias, and they tend to only bother running stories that support that bias. Unlike many other "mixed" factual reporting news sites, they're not in that category for lying and/or spreading misinformation. This suggests that the article is true. There's no value in your original insinuation that there's something wrong with the source of this information, as per your own link.
MeidasTouch does not have a reputation for giving factual information, and its extreme bias makes it inherently untrustworthy.. and despite what you claim about them not lying/spreading misinformation, mediabiascheck cites 3 different times they've failed a fact check because they were spreading false/made up information.
The real question is why you think its not okay to call out bad sources if they are left leaning. Which is what you surely seem to be implying, with your blatant misrepresentation of whats on the mediabiasfact page about mediastouch and how hard you are trying to defend meidastouch despite a documented history of being fast and lose with facts and truth.
But you wont answer that
No, I wager you'd be more inclined to drill into one factual thing in one article and use that to handwave away meidastouch's problematic patterns, because your bias is more important than reputable sources and factual reporting.. because thats what you're already doing here, and now.
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Just working with your sources. I don't care about Meidas Touch. I hadn't even heard of them before I stumbled into this thread.
I think it's okay to accept that everything and everyone has a bias. Removing bias from all reporting is simply impossible, so instead we work to understand our bias' and the bias' of others and instead call out non-factual reporting. So, to answer your question, I think it's okay to call out bad sourced for being bad regardless of their lean, but I also don't think have a noteworthy lean makes them inherently bad.
I don't appreciate the straw man you're attempting to build for me. Trying to angrily have my half of the conversation while spewing a pile of assumptions about what I think is a bad look. Unless the look you're going for is "a random idiot", which, I mean, when someone tells you who they are, believe them.
prove it, where are the lies and misinformation?
MBFC says this:
None of that has anything to do with false 'facts' and the like, bias doesn't equal bad source until said bias leads to the degradation of truth in the reporting.
again, where is the proof? You can't just speak things into existence. YOU are the one bringing this accusation, so YOU are the one with the onus to provide proof of said accusations.
I love how the supposed "law and order" types are out here screeching "calling crimes crime is extreme leftist bias!"
Laugh at the stupid convoy hicks! Get some clicks!
I'm all for laughing at them.
Just give me a reputable source with factual information.
Meidastouch is gaslighting propaganda, the liberal version of OAN
There are definitely more reputable sources for information than either of them, thats for sure.
Imagine doing research
In a way they did... just a very unnecessary, expensive, personal data collection method.
I wonder how bad the filter bubble is for some people. Like "relevant search results" or articles in their preferred news media. And trained cognitive biases. There is a lot of deliberate effort from the fascists and careless ignorance from tech companies to make it this way.
MAGA Convoy Confused.
All that needed be said.
They probably also believe that the earth is flat. Or that an exiled Nigerian prince wants to bequeath them billions in exchange for helping him smuggle his inheritance out of the country.
Crossings have increased, but it’s not an invasion.
Welp, I'm adding that to my video collection in preparation for 2024 election bullshit.
surprised pikachu
This amounts to an anecdote. This is the live national television equivalent of a tweet, and then someone wrote an article about the "tweet" this bumpkin made. There is no actual reporting done, no fact-checking (in before someone objects, "But wait! there were no facts to check!"), no following up with other sources. I doubt very much the "source" would agree with her characterization here. This is a nothingburger, and I have to agree with that guy getting spamdownvoted that this source is dogshit, while merrily disagreeing that MBFC is worth even half a turd.
it's an interview with one of the people that traveled there based on the "news" they consumed. It's not just 'an anecdote', it's a first person source from someone at the location who is part of this group that went there.
This isn't just a 'my uncle once saw xyz', you are mischaracterizing the context.
Also, in regards to MBFC,
dOgShIt!!!!!
this isn't a great "article" in general to post, but you're being extreme
Oh my bad, I see where I went wrong. I thought an anecdote was "not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research." Now that you've provided me with the correct definition about your uncle, it's clear I was mischaracterizing this unreliable personal account unsubstantiated by facts or research as anecdotal. How silly of me to have made such a stupid, obvious mistake, and how arrogant of me to attempt to correct someone else without checking myself first. what was i thinking
https://youtu.be/akrF8X0KgGg
I'm not saying a convoy is the answer lol. But there is a border crisis.
The "border crisis" is made up. If we opened our borders, suddenly there wouldn't be a "crisis" anymore and the vast majority of Americans would see no change in their day-to-day lives.
America needs to stop worrying about non existent issues and focus more on taking care of their citizens.
If you watched the video, I think you wouldn't be replying to me like this.
Your point was like the core fucking focus of the video.
There's a crisis because people need to cross illegally to start the asylum process. Instead of it being more accessible.
So, according to your own logic, if the asylum would be more accessible then there would be no border crisis.
That's exactly what he's telling you
THAT'S WHAT I'M FUCKING SAYING. I'M AGREEING WITH YOU GUYS.
fuckin lemmy is insufferable god dam you all suck
Exactly. I don't need to watch the video. The talking points from the "bOrDeR cRiSiS" people are always the same. Come up with a new argument.
I'm literally agreeing with you, you fucking monkey.
And so am I. What happened to this conversation?
That's a great video.
I see what you're doing here, but I'm afraid you were doomed the moment you linked a 23 minute video. People don't have that kind of attention spans for their own family, let alone a stranger trying to make a point on the internet.
There's literally a border crisis. A huge one. Anyone saying otherwise is too blind to see the trees for the forest.
I didn't make a mistake posting a video. Others made a mistake making huge assumptions and slinging shit immediately. I'm not responsible for others jumping the gun.
The Crisis in New York does not exist, ignore the over flowing shelters and streets.
No one is fixing houselessness so why are you bringing it up in a thread about a border crossing?
Because they are trying to distract with a shitty whataboutism argument.
Also, if anything, Texas is potentially contributing to New York’s homeless problem by spending millions of dollars busing migrants and dropping them off at the city without any support. If these are “invaders”, then Texas is aiding the “enemy” and conducting economic warfare against the city.
I wholeheartedly accept Abbott's framing that this is an invasion. Moving invaders farther into the country they are invading is certainly providing aid and comfort. Therefore, Greg Abbott is a traitor.
Maybe they’re suggesting the MAGAians should’ve convoyed to New York instead and volunteered at some shelters, helping the least amongst us like their Bible says.
Context from behind the NYT paywall:
What is a convoy of retired hillbillies driving down to Texas going to do to fix that? Do you think if they go down there and start a-shootin' Messicans that somehow all the undocumented immigrants in New York will dissolve into puddles on the sidewalk?
Just like vampires, if you kill the Master the underlings turn into US citizens.
Uh-oh. That's the last thing these bigots want.
Unless they're straight, white, and claim to be Christian.
You mean the New York that has a fascist cop (but I repeat myself) as a mayor? The New York whose local Dem leadership is probably the second most conservative and corrupt from lack of competition after that of Chicago? That New York?
It appears you commented in the wrong thread 🌠
I comment just to say I like this emoji choice.