Of course his idiot dumbshit supporters all assume they won't be the ones suffering, it'll just be everyone else, and that makes it okay to them.
They don't understand that rooting for them, doesn't make them part of the team.
They don't understand that Donald Trump loathes them
If Kamala wins, her Dept. of Education should really make a push to make sure that we are teaching fascism and WW2 in schools so people can recognize this shit and stop falling for it.
As a German, I have to sadly tell you that that's not enough.
It's important to teach media literacy and critical thinking too.
I thought critical thinking was communism?
Which makes a solid case for communism.
Yeah, the red states already hamstring k-12 to the point they can't function.
Feds never should have let that happen.
Every single church that made a political endorsement needs to be stripped of its tax exempt status. And audited by the IRS.
Domestic terrorism is being fomented at the ground level in "religious centers," and we've gotta start calling things what they are.
Just frame it as “Muslim” and the right will get it done for you. They do love voting against their own interests.
"The forest was shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood he was one of them."
don't be silly, of course the leopards will only eat other people's faces.
They’ll just be told to blame everyone else for their suffering, just like they have been for decades now. It’s all going to be heaped on the same old tired bogeymen: illegals, libs, the nebulous educated elite, etc.
It is far more than okay with them when the right people are suffering hardships. They would elect the most overtly corrupt person to ever exist and destroy the country just to make sure the right people get hurt.
They just did elect that person
Says the war dodging, low IQ (the true low IQ individual), balding denier, sexual assaulting, multi-time felon.
Trump is like 1985’s alternate timeline Biff Tannen only worse because he’s real.
We ARE aware that alternate timeline Biff WAS Trump right?
Marty needs to fix this!
Plenty of them already died, by eating horsepaste during a respiratory virus pandemic. The survivors didn't care.
Speaking of which, WTF happened to that effect on the vote?
Alabama went from +28 Trump to +25 or something.
And this fucker is about to win... I can't believe this.... And my state denied women abortion rights.
I hope every woman that voted for this isnt raped and forced to carry that baby.
And Rick Scott, the leader of the largest Medicare fraud, is re elected again.
My state is filled with idiots who won't even vote for their own best interests
57 percent voted for reproductive choice. But the measure required 60% supermajority.
And to make things worse - abortion being its own separate item on the ballot may have been what cost us Florida, since pro-choice voters who leaned right could vote both ways.
Florida confuses the shit out of me. How did it become this way? And so quickly! With the major metros I don't understand how it's so red! Even Texas races are getting closer and closer, and I think it's because of the major cities.
Florida in the last 20-30 years has been a representative sample of retiree vote in the country. The boomers and Gen X that retiring now to Florida are just not progressively minded. The people that moved to Florida during the pandemic were also very hostile to blue state politics which is why they moved to Florida, which was perceived as a red state during that time period. Now we're just living in that reality after all the dust has settled.
During the last few years and specifically during 2020 covid the majority of people moving out of my blue state went to Florida, North Carolina, Tennessee, or Texas. Everyone that I knew of that leaned that way basically moved to a swing state.
I think I speak for most of the world right now when I say this:
Fuck.
What in the nazi fuck is wrong with you, america?
A lot of Americans think when he talks about doing bad things, it's all talks,
when he talks about making the economy better, it's all in good faith,
all the "necessary evil" can be undone in the next election cycle,
and business controls the narrative, that would highly benefit under trump.
Yeah, and boring and ineffective liberals that trying to take the moral high ground every time the right takes yet another low.
Honestly I’m not sure American businesses are very smart.
I imagine corpos do want trump, but it seems as short sighted as going after quarterly profits ahead of all else.
Ok, so you own a corporation and want those pesky “water break” regulations that are really cutting into your profits to go away. So you back trump. He tweets out “WORKERS DRINKING WATER ON THE CLOCK, SAD AND BIGLY BAD” and they decide that’s an official act and you can squeeze an extra 15 minutes out of your workers.
Meanwhile, he puts a 20% tariff on all your inputs.
I don’t support, but could at least understand, companies wanting this guy out of some rank greed. But he’s articulated positions that would be awful for most businesses. Every serious economist has looked at his tariff plan and gone “oh yea, that would destroy the economy”
Corporations are chasing after short-term profits, not long-term ones. The only job I used to have was literally bankrupted by my then boss to avoid paying taxes on his other business ventures.
Funny how those talking points mirror the ones Russian troll factories would try to push inside their respective bubbles.
Lots. I don't feel so good Mr stark.
They've been gutting our education system for decades. Most of us over here are so unbelievably fucking stupid.
Thanks for the new expletive.
what the nazi fuck, bro?
I thought this was the minority but the voting base is BJs dad apparently.
This monster has to go. Not only should he lose but he should never be allowed in this country again.
he should never be allowed in this country again.
I'd appreciate not dumping your garbage on somebody else's doorstep, thank you very much.
Into space is fine then, right?
Somewhere up in high orbit sounds fine. In space nobody can hear you scream, not even Trump.
Send him and Elon on a one-way trip to Mars.
The sun. I want to go to mars.
He should have been convicted at the second impeachment trial, but McConnell made up another rule that never existed before.
You guys can keep him. Just put him in an orange jumpsuit and throw him into one of your egregiously inhumane jails.
Oh, but our worst jails are outside America.
He doesn't deserve to live. The penalty for sedition and treason is death.
One of the side effects of the past 8 years or so, that I really do not like, is that this piece of absolute garbage has made me earnestly wish for someone else to die. I don't want to be that person, but here we are...
We should bring back exile just for him. Send him to Antarctica or some shit.
Leopards Eating Faces party straight up tells voters that they're going to eat their faces... and they still vote for them.
And somehow voters said yes to this.
They said yes because most are only looking at a rose colored picture of Trump. A lot of effort has gone into identifying the different ideological bubbles and catering an image of Trump specifically tailored for them, in the way only money can. We will likely never know to what extent given how fast transparency has been disappearing.
Just over half of those who voted said yes, there's still a lot of us who voted against this and watched in horror as the remainder proceeded to fuck us over. From those of us who voted against this: we tried our best and hate this as much as the rest of the sane world. Good luck trying to salvage things out there, it's going to be increasingly difficult for us to act openly against this soon. If you can, put the thumbscrews to us in whatever way you can. We'll suffer, but then again we're already going to be.
Don't forget those that sat on their hands and did nothing. Inactivity is an action.
It'll be extremely bitter sweet, one day seeing a AmeriNazi and asking em WTF they were thinking electing a guy that literally says the economy will be worse, to boost the economy.
Have crash it to get the growth duh!
/s but I legit thinks that's what is going to happen.
This is the first time a politician is honest about something.
But it's for the absolutely wrong reasons.
This is just blatantly saying "HEY! I'M GOING TO BE ABSOLUTE SHIT TO YOU ALL! AND IT'S GOING TO BE ROUGH! AND IT'S GOING TO BE NASTY! BLOODY!"
Like okay okay, we have had months leading up to this to know. We don't need you to remind us yet again about how you'll do things.
Its almost as though he just doesn't care about anyone but himself.
Can you imagine not seeing that? Like literally the first time you see/hear him speak?
I just don't... I can't...
Narrator voice: they think it's only applicable for those they don't like.
Fuck Trump and fuck you Shill Stein donkeys too
You mean those pro-Stein accounts that won't post another peep now?
I wonder what universalmonk is doing now. Probably spending their big fat new commission/check.
Stein didn't make a dent anywhere that mattered, Trump voters did this.
Less Trump voters showed up compared to last time. So if anything, the ~14 million Dem voters that showed up for Biden yet decided to not show up for Harris are more at fault.
It's their fault, not the party or the candidate who failed to give them a reason to leave the house 🙄
If the biggest criminal the white house has ever seen becoming the president again isn't enough of a reason to leave the house then they're braindead.
Abuser logic. The only people directly responsible for Trump are Trump voters.
And the ones who couldn't bother to vote against him and defend the white house from becoming infested again with the most criminal and corrupt scum it's ever seen
I'm not gonna blame the people that failed to defend me more than the people they need to defend me from.
Honestly, if Trump wins I hope America burns. We all deserve it, some more than others, if he wins.
Seriously, here in Australia, a win is a legitimate reason to take yanks in as political refugees (especially women)
As an American trans woman, at this point I think I could handle my arachnophobia enough to flee to Australia
Come :) the ‘venomous animals will kill you in Australia’ thing is bullshit away, I rarely see snakes or spiders, and if I do I leave them alone and they leave me alone.
Visited Sydney and Trinity Beach in June with my family, and it was one of the best trips I’ve ever had. I wish we could have seen more, let alone move there! So clean, people cared about the environment, lovely people everywhere.
❤️ Australia!
people cared about the environment
It might be true for people, but I heard that's not true about their politics in general.
Wait lol can we really move down there? I'd love that, or NZ.
Nah let's build a wall.
NYT forecast is 90% Trump now. It's crazy that anyone would vote for him, really shows that policy plays no part in politics. It'll be interesting to see how he tears down the judicial system to remove the many charges against him.
Yup. American democracy is going to be dead after this election.
I wonder how much of that project 2025 will be implemented.
It's been in hospice since 2000.
How alive is it when the 'democratic' candidate was anointed instead of voted for through a democratic process? I'm not a Trump fan at all but at least he was chosen by the people.
Deligates DID elect her, and they did so because the party members they represent wanted her to take over, there was 5+ internal polls sent to registered democrats, this didn't SUDDENLY happen, it was weeks of polling and campaigning. A party doesn't need to have a public primary to select a candidate.
That's not what I saw and not what most people saw. It was fast and under wraps. Keep living in your world where you are a victim, it will only lead to more loss.
Pff policy aside, the guy is a man-child and somehow that appeals to people
Because they are adult children too
It's the fear and blame, they now know white people can go back to having all the privilege, and brown people can be rounded up and infinity detained or exiled, imprisoned, enslaved, over policed, under served. Because they know any black having a job, means they got the job by being black and they stole it from a actually qualified white.
What about this statement means the people thinking this way aren't adult children? It seems you are just pointing out cognitively/emotionally immature ways of thinking here.
That alone can't be it, I'm a man-child and I'd never vote for him if I had a say in this election.
It's the fact that he promises easy solutions to everything. What are the solutions? Well that doesn't matter, he promised he'll deal with all the problems, that's enough.
It means they aren't serious people. The Trump administration wrecked up the country with their shitty dangerous response to covid and their conservative base spent the entire time complaining and attacking healthcare workers.
Serious people propose ways to address problems and work based off of facts. Conservatives are off on witch hunts and high on identity politics.
This election was a referendum on the neo-liberal order and it lost. Trump represents populist nationalism, if the transactional nature of his first term is any indicator he's gonna sell off as much as he can to the highest bidders.
TLDR: A bunch of angry working class folks just handed the country to the billionaire oligarchs, possibly under some delusion the wealthy won't keep robbing them blind.
What was Harris' big policy goal? What is she the champion of? Tax rebates? Policy does move people but Harris offered no vision.
What a shitty attitude
What a shitty American voting public that hopefully will get what they deserve.
And his supporters will still vote him. Even Elon has been saying that if Trump wins, there will be a "temporary" financial crisis. The thing is, "temporary" can mean months or years depending on your scale. But we know financial crises don't last for a week or two.
he means that Trump and his billionaire friends (including Elon) will make lots of money while common folks suffer but that is all worth it because they will make M'uricah great again
Again.
I wonder how long it will be until the Trump vs Musk power struggle. My guess is early summer.
Hopefully, he strokes out before the EC casts their votes in December. If that happens, we can end up with a Harris/Vance administration.
My understanding is that Vance would become president-elect and a new vice president-elect would be appointed.
Yeah, I was a little off on the timeline... If he strokes out after the EC casts their votes, but before they are counted in the House, then Vance will be properly elected to the vice presidency, but the House is required to immediately vote on the Presidency. They only get to select from the top three EC vote winners. With Harris being the only candidate to win any EC votes for president, the House is constitutionally required to elect her. Harris/Vance.
If I were a Republican, I'd table-flip that outcome, but theoretically...
Not many, for people of color
And women, and poor people, and journalists
And anyone who hurts his feelings, and queer people, and college students, of course.
Trump will do a great job. The SCOTUS gave him full immunity, so what can go wrong?
Biden could do an official act. A couple of official acts, even.
It would take more than a couple. Trump is terrible on his own, but he isn't the sole problem, he's largely just a symptom of the bigger problem.
I'm so divided on this. I would love to see him do anything to mitigate the damage. But I fear that almost anything could tip us into a rural versus urban civil war. I beg all leftists to procure a gun(s), learn gun safety, and learn how to shoot.
Preferably in the next month because I wouldn't be surprised if sales are restricted.
All I’m going to say on that, is this:
What guns you do have…. Lock them up securely. (Ideally, behind 3 locks- the room, a gun safe, and an individual cable or trigger lock.)
We don’t need more headlines like “five yo shoots family”.
Excellent advice. We do not have children or ever have them in our home so we do not go to these lengths.
It isn’t just about kids. For one thing firearms are expensive and valuable, and increases your risks of being broken into. (Most thieves, though, will only target easy victims.)
The other thing is each lock is one more conscious choice with firearms. It’s not much, but it does provide a decision-point where you can choose something else when you find yourself in a mental health crisis.
And for home defense…. It’s almost certain if it changes outcomes… it’ll be hurting you, if it’s stored open. (Now if you carry in your home, that’s different, but also… well we won’t get into that.)
It's a good point and we do have trigger locks. I don't want to ever have to hurt someone but especially after yesterday I'm not taking any chances.
I'll pass.
Trump is going to increase MUH LEGAL immigration by a lot. Wages are going to go down as result and unions will be gutted. Will police still support Trump when they end up making 18 USD/HR? That's what he means by hardships.
Corporations are going to see a huge increase in profits because they're going to cut labor cost by importing cheap labor.
I think you misunderstand the method of imposing the hardship. The police will be better paid and there to impose the planned hardship on the ordinary people, including many of the people who always vote for him.
It's honestly rather strange and depressing watching the US from the outside. I have rarely seen the most downtrodden segment of the population being so gung ho about the worst parts of the system that's been oppressing them their whole lives. It's amazing to me to see so many super patriotic black people for example. How? For what? Why would you blindly defend the same structures that've been oppressing you for centuries? It'd be less depressing and more funny if it wasn't for the massive destructive power these people get access to when they win, power that they subsequently unleash on the rest of the world.
Why would you blindly defend the same structures that’ve been oppressing you
college, housing benefits... healthcare.
funny, the exact same things conservatives have made impossible to obtain....
Likely the police will make even more, and will be hired to bust unions.
Police are going to support trump because hes all "back the blue", because soon they will all be his henchmen.
I'm a Struggling Middle Class Hispanic Woman and I'm GLAD that I voted for the Man who promised to Deport me, force my Daughter to Carry her Rapist's baby, create HUGE Financial Turmoil and Enslave me!
Yeah let's blame it on the minorities and women instead of the misogynist, racist, absolute piece of shit white men who voted overwhelmingly for Trump.
I'm a Misogynist Racist Piece of Shit White Man and I voted for the man who PROMISES to Hurt everyone I don't like (Including my Wife and Daughters) so why bring Me into this?
masochists eat it up
No, thanks. This is just morons doing what they do 😮💨
Yeah my local kink community is very Democrat, especially the masochists
He said he will be a dictator for one day. Also mused in detail about how great it would be to have one really tough day or night where the gloves came off. Sounded like a strong vigilante rallying call, to every raging nutjob who really wants to go out and kick some gay ass, or whatever.
I mean Hitler made a similar speech announcing the night of the long knives.
If anyone reproaches me and asks why I did not resort to the regular courts of justice, then all I can say is this. In this hour I was responsible for the fate of the German people, and thereby I became the supreme judge of the German people. I gave the order to shoot the ringleaders in this treason, and I further gave the order to cauterise down to the raw flesh the ulcers of this poisoning of the wells in our domestic life. Let the nation know that its existence – which depends on its internal order and security – cannot be threatened with impunity by anyone! And let it be known for all time to come that if anyone raises his hand to strike the State, then certain death is his lot.
Well they will have to go through my guns first. I’m not going down without a fight.
The Dems are going to lose not once but twice to this guy that anyone even a little progressive could have handedly beat.
You do realise that they currently lose for being viewed as 'too progressive ' right?
No wrong, Trump actually didn't perform any better than last time. It's Harris that couldn't even match the performance of Biden haha.
They had Walz, but kept him in a corner until recently. Just moronic strategy.
Bullshit. Anyone even slightly more progressive would have been curb stomped.
Dude face it, the DNC is completely flaccid and ineffectual as long as it tries to appeal to institutionalist values during a populist cultural zeitgeist.
And the Democratic party isn't going to benefit from trying to beat Xenophobic Nationalism™: the Party at its own game of xenophobic nationalism by ceasing to counter their rhetoric on immigration like they did once Biden took office.
Keep telling yourself that. Maybe the Dems should get their own version of Donald Trump haha.
The inflation will be yuge!
At this point I think maybe he will have america burn down so something decent can be built this time. I only feel bad for the rest of the world they are trying to take with them
Maybe Canada can invade again?
Not with the conservatives in power
Have opinions on what Dems did wrong or where we go from here?
Honestly Im happy he’ll win. America was on a road to fascism since the 60’s and there was nobody who really wanted to stop it. It’s better if it gets there faster.
This world is so fucked up anyways, there was never any hope, only delays.
Why better if it gets there faster? How many people have to die for this BS. Woman are already being sacrificed to the dark gods.
Get a load of this guy giving up already
After Hitler, our turn
If precedent is anything to go by, you and your accelerationist bullshit are dead wrong.
Well, you know what they say.....a politician never keeps his promises.
The one time Trump actually IS telling the truth is an odd time to bring out that particular saying..
Of course his idiot dumbshit supporters all assume they won't be the ones suffering, it'll just be everyone else, and that makes it okay to them.
They don't understand that rooting for them, doesn't make them part of the team.
They don't understand that Donald Trump loathes them
If Kamala wins, her Dept. of Education should really make a push to make sure that we are teaching fascism and WW2 in schools so people can recognize this shit and stop falling for it.
As a German, I have to sadly tell you that that's not enough.
It's important to teach media literacy and critical thinking too.
I thought critical thinking was communism?
Which makes a solid case for communism.
Yeah, the red states already hamstring k-12 to the point they can't function.
Feds never should have let that happen.
Every single church that made a political endorsement needs to be stripped of its tax exempt status. And audited by the IRS.
Domestic terrorism is being fomented at the ground level in "religious centers," and we've gotta start calling things what they are.
Just frame it as “Muslim” and the right will get it done for you. They do love voting against their own interests.
"The forest was shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood he was one of them."
don't be silly, of course the leopards will only eat other people's faces.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida
They’ll just be told to blame everyone else for their suffering, just like they have been for decades now. It’s all going to be heaped on the same old tired bogeymen: illegals, libs, the nebulous educated elite, etc.
"He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting"
It is far more than okay with them when the right people are suffering hardships. They would elect the most overtly corrupt person to ever exist and destroy the country just to make sure the right people get hurt.
They just did elect that person
Says the war dodging, low IQ (the true low IQ individual), balding denier, sexual assaulting, multi-time felon.
Trump is like 1985’s alternate timeline Biff Tannen only worse because he’s real.
We ARE aware that alternate timeline Biff WAS Trump right?
Marty needs to fix this!
Plenty of them already died, by eating horsepaste during a respiratory virus pandemic. The survivors didn't care.
Speaking of which, WTF happened to that effect on the vote?
Alabama went from +28 Trump to +25 or something.
And this fucker is about to win... I can't believe this.... And my state denied women abortion rights.
I hope every woman that voted for this isnt raped and forced to carry that baby.
And Rick Scott, the leader of the largest Medicare fraud, is re elected again.
My state is filled with idiots who won't even vote for their own best interests
57 percent voted for reproductive choice. But the measure required 60% supermajority.
And to make things worse - abortion being its own separate item on the ballot may have been what cost us Florida, since pro-choice voters who leaned right could vote both ways.
Florida confuses the shit out of me. How did it become this way? And so quickly! With the major metros I don't understand how it's so red! Even Texas races are getting closer and closer, and I think it's because of the major cities.
Florida in the last 20-30 years has been a representative sample of retiree vote in the country. The boomers and Gen X that retiring now to Florida are just not progressively minded. The people that moved to Florida during the pandemic were also very hostile to blue state politics which is why they moved to Florida, which was perceived as a red state during that time period. Now we're just living in that reality after all the dust has settled.
During the last few years and specifically during 2020 covid the majority of people moving out of my blue state went to Florida, North Carolina, Tennessee, or Texas. Everyone that I knew of that leaned that way basically moved to a swing state.
I think I speak for most of the world right now when I say this:
Fuck.
What in the nazi fuck is wrong with you, america?
Yeah, and boring and ineffective liberals that trying to take the moral high ground every time the right takes yet another low.
Honestly I’m not sure American businesses are very smart.
I imagine corpos do want trump, but it seems as short sighted as going after quarterly profits ahead of all else.
Ok, so you own a corporation and want those pesky “water break” regulations that are really cutting into your profits to go away. So you back trump. He tweets out “WORKERS DRINKING WATER ON THE CLOCK, SAD AND BIGLY BAD” and they decide that’s an official act and you can squeeze an extra 15 minutes out of your workers.
Meanwhile, he puts a 20% tariff on all your inputs.
I don’t support, but could at least understand, companies wanting this guy out of some rank greed. But he’s articulated positions that would be awful for most businesses. Every serious economist has looked at his tariff plan and gone “oh yea, that would destroy the economy”
Corporations are chasing after short-term profits, not long-term ones. The only job I used to have was literally bankrupted by my then boss to avoid paying taxes on his other business ventures.
Funny how those talking points mirror the ones Russian troll factories would try to push inside their respective bubbles.
Lots. I don't feel so good Mr stark.
They've been gutting our education system for decades. Most of us over here are so unbelievably fucking stupid.
Thanks for the new expletive.
what the nazi fuck, bro?
I thought this was the minority but the voting base is BJs dad apparently.
https://youtu.be/3tJRVRx66GI?PbNUyRRe0ao0gMho
This monster has to go. Not only should he lose but he should never be allowed in this country again.
I'd appreciate not dumping your garbage on somebody else's doorstep, thank you very much.
Into space is fine then, right?
Somewhere up in high orbit sounds fine. In space nobody can hear you scream, not even Trump.
Send him and Elon on a one-way trip to Mars.
The sun. I want to go to mars.
He should have been convicted at the second impeachment trial, but McConnell made up another rule that never existed before.
You guys can keep him. Just put him in an orange jumpsuit and throw him into one of your egregiously inhumane jails.
Oh, but our worst jails are outside America.
He doesn't deserve to live. The penalty for sedition and treason is death.
One of the side effects of the past 8 years or so, that I really do not like, is that this piece of absolute garbage has made me earnestly wish for someone else to die. I don't want to be that person, but here we are...
We should bring back exile just for him. Send him to Antarctica or some shit.
Russia, since he loves Putin so much.
Leopards Eating Faces party straight up tells voters that they're going to eat their faces... and they still vote for them.
And somehow voters said yes to this.
They said yes because most are only looking at a rose colored picture of Trump. A lot of effort has gone into identifying the different ideological bubbles and catering an image of Trump specifically tailored for them, in the way only money can. We will likely never know to what extent given how fast transparency has been disappearing.
Just over half of those who voted said yes, there's still a lot of us who voted against this and watched in horror as the remainder proceeded to fuck us over. From those of us who voted against this: we tried our best and hate this as much as the rest of the sane world. Good luck trying to salvage things out there, it's going to be increasingly difficult for us to act openly against this soon. If you can, put the thumbscrews to us in whatever way you can. We'll suffer, but then again we're already going to be.
Don't forget those that sat on their hands and did nothing. Inactivity is an action.
It'll be extremely bitter sweet, one day seeing a AmeriNazi and asking em WTF they were thinking electing a guy that literally says the economy will be worse, to boost the economy.
Have crash it to get the growth duh!
/s but I legit thinks that's what is going to happen.
This is the first time a politician is honest about something.
But it's for the absolutely wrong reasons.
This is just blatantly saying "HEY! I'M GOING TO BE ABSOLUTE SHIT TO YOU ALL! AND IT'S GOING TO BE ROUGH! AND IT'S GOING TO BE NASTY! BLOODY!"
Like okay okay, we have had months leading up to this to know. We don't need you to remind us yet again about how you'll do things.
Its almost as though he just doesn't care about anyone but himself.
Can you imagine not seeing that? Like literally the first time you see/hear him speak?
I just don't... I can't...
Narrator voice: they think it's only applicable for those they don't like.
Fuck Trump and fuck you Shill Stein donkeys too
You mean those pro-Stein accounts that won't post another peep now?
I wonder what universalmonk is doing now. Probably spending their big fat new commission/check.
Stein didn't make a dent anywhere that mattered, Trump voters did this.
Less Trump voters showed up compared to last time. So if anything, the ~14 million Dem voters that showed up for Biden yet decided to not show up for Harris are more at fault.
It's their fault, not the party or the candidate who failed to give them a reason to leave the house 🙄
If the biggest criminal the white house has ever seen becoming the president again isn't enough of a reason to leave the house then they're braindead.
Abuser logic. The only people directly responsible for Trump are Trump voters.
And the ones who couldn't bother to vote against him and defend the white house from becoming infested again with the most criminal and corrupt scum it's ever seen
I'm not gonna blame the people that failed to defend me more than the people they need to defend me from.
Honestly, if Trump wins I hope America burns. We all deserve it, some more than others, if he wins.
Seriously, here in Australia, a win is a legitimate reason to take yanks in as political refugees (especially women)
As an American trans woman, at this point I think I could handle my arachnophobia enough to flee to Australia
Come :) the ‘venomous animals will kill you in Australia’ thing is bullshit away, I rarely see snakes or spiders, and if I do I leave them alone and they leave me alone.
Visited Sydney and Trinity Beach in June with my family, and it was one of the best trips I’ve ever had. I wish we could have seen more, let alone move there! So clean, people cared about the environment, lovely people everywhere.
❤️ Australia!
It might be true for people, but I heard that's not true about their politics in general.
Wait lol can we really move down there? I'd love that, or NZ.
Nah let's build a wall.
NYT forecast is 90% Trump now. It's crazy that anyone would vote for him, really shows that policy plays no part in politics. It'll be interesting to see how he tears down the judicial system to remove the many charges against him.
Yup. American democracy is going to be dead after this election.
I wonder how much of that project 2025 will be implemented.
It's been in hospice since 2000.
How alive is it when the 'democratic' candidate was anointed instead of voted for through a democratic process? I'm not a Trump fan at all but at least he was chosen by the people.
Deligates DID elect her, and they did so because the party members they represent wanted her to take over, there was 5+ internal polls sent to registered democrats, this didn't SUDDENLY happen, it was weeks of polling and campaigning. A party doesn't need to have a public primary to select a candidate.
That's not what I saw and not what most people saw. It was fast and under wraps. Keep living in your world where you are a victim, it will only lead to more loss.
Pff policy aside, the guy is a man-child and somehow that appeals to people
Because they are adult children too
It's the fear and blame, they now know white people can go back to having all the privilege, and brown people can be rounded up and infinity detained or exiled, imprisoned, enslaved, over policed, under served. Because they know any black having a job, means they got the job by being black and they stole it from a actually qualified white.
What about this statement means the people thinking this way aren't adult children? It seems you are just pointing out cognitively/emotionally immature ways of thinking here.
That alone can't be it, I'm a man-child and I'd never vote for him if I had a say in this election.
It's the fact that he promises easy solutions to everything. What are the solutions? Well that doesn't matter, he promised he'll deal with all the problems, that's enough.
It means they aren't serious people. The Trump administration wrecked up the country with their shitty dangerous response to covid and their conservative base spent the entire time complaining and attacking healthcare workers.
Serious people propose ways to address problems and work based off of facts. Conservatives are off on witch hunts and high on identity politics.
This election was a referendum on the neo-liberal order and it lost. Trump represents populist nationalism, if the transactional nature of his first term is any indicator he's gonna sell off as much as he can to the highest bidders.
TLDR: A bunch of angry working class folks just handed the country to the billionaire oligarchs, possibly under some delusion the wealthy won't keep robbing them blind.
What was Harris' big policy goal? What is she the champion of? Tax rebates? Policy does move people but Harris offered no vision.
What a shitty attitude
What a shitty American voting public that hopefully will get what they deserve.
When people tell you what they are, believe them.
And his supporters will still vote him. Even Elon has been saying that if Trump wins, there will be a "temporary" financial crisis. The thing is, "temporary" can mean months or years depending on your scale. But we know financial crises don't last for a week or two.
he means that Trump and his billionaire friends (including Elon) will make lots of money while common folks suffer but that is all worth it because they will make M'uricah great again
Again.
I wonder how long it will be until the Trump vs Musk power struggle. My guess is early summer.
Hopefully, he strokes out before the EC casts their votes in December. If that happens, we can end up with a Harris/Vance administration.
My understanding is that Vance would become president-elect and a new vice president-elect would be appointed.
Yeah, I was a little off on the timeline... If he strokes out after the EC casts their votes, but before they are counted in the House, then Vance will be properly elected to the vice presidency, but the House is required to immediately vote on the Presidency. They only get to select from the top three EC vote winners. With Harris being the only candidate to win any EC votes for president, the House is constitutionally required to elect her. Harris/Vance.
If I were a Republican, I'd table-flip that outcome, but theoretically...
Not many, for people of color
And women, and poor people, and journalists
And anyone who hurts his feelings, and queer people, and college students, of course.
Trump will do a great job. The SCOTUS gave him full immunity, so what can go wrong?
Biden could do an official act. A couple of official acts, even.
It would take more than a couple. Trump is terrible on his own, but he isn't the sole problem, he's largely just a symptom of the bigger problem.
I'm so divided on this. I would love to see him do anything to mitigate the damage. But I fear that almost anything could tip us into a rural versus urban civil war. I beg all leftists to procure a gun(s), learn gun safety, and learn how to shoot.
Preferably in the next month because I wouldn't be surprised if sales are restricted.
All I’m going to say on that, is this:
What guns you do have…. Lock them up securely. (Ideally, behind 3 locks- the room, a gun safe, and an individual cable or trigger lock.)
We don’t need more headlines like “five yo shoots family”.
Excellent advice. We do not have children or ever have them in our home so we do not go to these lengths.
It isn’t just about kids. For one thing firearms are expensive and valuable, and increases your risks of being broken into. (Most thieves, though, will only target easy victims.)
The other thing is each lock is one more conscious choice with firearms. It’s not much, but it does provide a decision-point where you can choose something else when you find yourself in a mental health crisis.
And for home defense…. It’s almost certain if it changes outcomes… it’ll be hurting you, if it’s stored open. (Now if you carry in your home, that’s different, but also… well we won’t get into that.)
It's a good point and we do have trigger locks. I don't want to ever have to hurt someone but especially after yesterday I'm not taking any chances.
I'll pass.
Trump is going to increase MUH LEGAL immigration by a lot. Wages are going to go down as result and unions will be gutted. Will police still support Trump when they end up making 18 USD/HR? That's what he means by hardships.
Corporations are going to see a huge increase in profits because they're going to cut labor cost by importing cheap labor.
I think you misunderstand the method of imposing the hardship. The police will be better paid and there to impose the planned hardship on the ordinary people, including many of the people who always vote for him.
It's honestly rather strange and depressing watching the US from the outside. I have rarely seen the most downtrodden segment of the population being so gung ho about the worst parts of the system that's been oppressing them their whole lives. It's amazing to me to see so many super patriotic black people for example. How? For what? Why would you blindly defend the same structures that've been oppressing you for centuries? It'd be less depressing and more funny if it wasn't for the massive destructive power these people get access to when they win, power that they subsequently unleash on the rest of the world.
college, housing benefits... healthcare.
funny, the exact same things conservatives have made impossible to obtain....
Likely the police will make even more, and will be hired to bust unions.
Police are going to support trump because hes all "back the blue", because soon they will all be his henchmen.
I'm a Struggling Middle Class Hispanic Woman and I'm GLAD that I voted for the Man who promised to Deport me, force my Daughter to Carry her Rapist's baby, create HUGE Financial Turmoil and Enslave me!
Yeah let's blame it on the minorities and women instead of the misogynist, racist, absolute piece of shit white men who voted overwhelmingly for Trump.
I'm a Misogynist Racist Piece of Shit White Man and I voted for the man who PROMISES to Hurt everyone I don't like (Including my Wife and Daughters) so why bring Me into this?
masochists eat it up
No, thanks. This is just morons doing what they do 😮💨
Yeah my local kink community is very Democrat, especially the masochists
He said he will be a dictator for one day. Also mused in detail about how great it would be to have one really tough day or night where the gloves came off. Sounded like a strong vigilante rallying call, to every raging nutjob who really wants to go out and kick some gay ass, or whatever.
I mean Hitler made a similar speech announcing the night of the long knives.
Well they will have to go through my guns first. I’m not going down without a fight.
The Dems are going to lose not once but twice to this guy that anyone even a little progressive could have handedly beat.
You do realise that they currently lose for being viewed as 'too progressive ' right?
No wrong, Trump actually didn't perform any better than last time. It's Harris that couldn't even match the performance of Biden haha.
They had Walz, but kept him in a corner until recently. Just moronic strategy.
Bullshit. Anyone even slightly more progressive would have been curb stomped.
Dude face it, the DNC is completely flaccid and ineffectual as long as it tries to appeal to institutionalist values during a populist cultural zeitgeist.
And the Democratic party isn't going to benefit from trying to beat Xenophobic Nationalism™: the Party at its own game of xenophobic nationalism by ceasing to counter their rhetoric on immigration like they did once Biden took office.
Keep telling yourself that. Maybe the Dems should get their own version of Donald Trump haha.
The inflation will be yuge!
At this point I think maybe he will have america burn down so something decent can be built this time. I only feel bad for the rest of the world they are trying to take with them
Maybe Canada can invade again?
Not with the conservatives in power
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Project 2025 is going to be nasty.
Honestly Im happy he’ll win. America was on a road to fascism since the 60’s and there was nobody who really wanted to stop it. It’s better if it gets there faster.
This world is so fucked up anyways, there was never any hope, only delays.
Why better if it gets there faster? How many people have to die for this BS. Woman are already being sacrificed to the dark gods.
Get a load of this guy giving up already
If precedent is anything to go by, you and your accelerationist bullshit are dead wrong.
Well, you know what they say.....a politician never keeps his promises.
The one time Trump actually IS telling the truth is an odd time to bring out that particular saying..