Reddit users are reporting Christian websites for violating Virginia's new porn identification law, citing vulgar passages in the Bible
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As more and more states pass laws targeting "pornographic material" in books and online, they are repeatedly running up against a problem: The Bible has not just a few passages that could be considered indecent
There's no hypocrisy here.
Selective enforcement is the core of conservative law making.
Broad generalizations like this do nothing but reinforce echochambers.
It's not a broad generalization at all. It's a widespread pattern of hypocritical and contradictory conservative outrage, statements, and laws.
... and that's just off the top of my head. If you're a conservative, wake up, your party is a mess.
Spoiler: he'll completely ignore this comment and just continue to go on saying that all criticisms of conservatives are baseless and unproductive
I'll be honest, the point was less for him and more for lurkers, that might not pay as much attention and might benefit from an outline. I gave up on changing the mind of the person I'm replying to on the internet a long time ago (if it happens great!) ... but I want to challenge and cut through the "noise" for the casual observer.
That's the only single reason I debunk conservatives with some of their tactics thrown back at them. In a forum, I'm pretty much am blocked by nearly every conservatives there.
He didn't say that, he criticized generalizing conservatives. I know conservatives who don't care to block books from school libraries, or block trans students from going to bathrooms in their identified gender- or most of the other "culture war" arguments.
If they feel that way, then why do they vote politicians into power who do those things?
You don't get to vote evil people into power and then say "oh no, I don't support the evil stuff, I just care about the lower taxes"
Because they at least agree with some of their messaging rather than agree with none of it.
Yeah and my response to that would be the last sentence of my comment.
Why don't you? Can't you say: I support the ACA but not drone bombing schools?
Yes but until they start actively opposing those policies and demanding their politicians do the same, they are still complicit with these policies as their votes are what enable them. Whether or not they personally believe these things is entirely irrelevant. All that matters are the actions and policies, and every conservative voter is this complicit.
Unfortunately people have different priorities than you or I, I guarantee a politician you have voted for has done something you oppose, and you may have still supported them. That's because you care more about their other policies.
False equivalency.
"We should focus more on corporate taxes rather than individual taxes" is an opinion; "gay people shouldn't have rights" isn't an opinion, it's hate.
Don't try to pretend these are on the same level. Supporting American conservatism requires a level of moral bankruptcy.
Both are opinion, something being abhorrent doesn't make it not an opinion. Opinions can be hateful.
Yes but I don't have to respect those opinions enough to validate them by acknowledging them. If those are your "opinions" then you're a monster and you can fuck off. Don't expect any respect from me; we need less kid gloves and more people calling out assholes in the world.
Being very wrong doesn't make someone evil. If someone genuinely believes something like that and isn't just saying it be edgy, I'd try to convince them out of it. Just like a flat earther, they believe something that I believe is very wrong.
Don't put words in my mouth or accuse my of something you made up in your mind.
I don't need to put any words into your mouth, your reply to the comment was to ignore all the real, objectively true examples and just claim that despite the fact that they're the actions of real conservative policy makers, that they somehow have nothing to do with real conservative policy
You ignore the faults of real world conservatism, holding up this idealistic version of conservatism you have in your head as "real" conservatism. Ill bet you also hold that conservatism has nothing to do with anti-LGBT+, despite their policy makers constantly making anti-LGBT+ policy decisions
You're completely ignorant of who I am and you're reinforcing my initial point that we should be careful about creating an echochamber.
And you're reinforcing mine by continuing to not actually address any of the actual points.
Pointing out actual, provable examples of selective enforcement by conservatives isn't an "echo chamber" it's discussing real world politics
Ultimately it looks from my perspective like you're falling into the classic trap of just assuming that when a lot of people disagree with you, that they're just mindlessly repeating talking points - rather than ever considering that your own view might be skewed. Further reinforced by the fact that you steadfastly refuse to actually talk about the issue, and instead just keep deflecting and crying "ECHO CHAMBER".
And no, I have no idea who you are, why should I care though? This is a discussion about conservative politics, not you or your feelings.
You're trying to say "there are many examples of selective enforcement in conservative laws" and I'm saying "yeah, no shit, I agree with you"
Meanwhile I'm being attacked for saying it's important to be reasonable, demonstrating the echo chamber I'm talking about.
So if you agree that what's being said is factual, then what exactly is the concern here regarding "echo chambers"?
A echo chamber is dangerous when people are spreading misinformation, a group of people acknowledging a very real negative aspect of a major political party is in no way "echo chamber" type behavior.
Now if we were saying "all conservative voters and politicians are Nazis", id agree with you that caution should be given about echo chambers, but cautioning about echo chambers when objective facts are being discussed comes across much more as you trying to deflect away from facts you don't like being discussed.
Would it help you if we also talked some trash about democrats?
Biden is too old for office
Most elected democrats are hypocrites, at least to some extent
Virtually every politician, including the left leaning ones, in the US are corrupt to som extent, and usually to a severe degree
There? Are you satisfied that we're not an echo chamber?
Not denying that Biden is very old and that any vote for him carries a material probability that it also elects the VP for president, the vast majority of politicians are very old in the USA
The concern is that you said "conservatives", not "what's popular amongst conservative politicians", or "what's popular amongst conservative media", or even "most". You just said conservatives, that is villifying all people by nature of a describing themselves by a very broad term(or even someone else ascribing it to them). Their initial complaint was generalization and you attacked them with evidence of it being true for some conservatives.
Translation: I don't have an argument for any of the things posted so I'm going to accuse a random person of something instead
I mean they just said don't generalize, not that there isn't widespread hypocrisy.
Ok fuck you too ignorant jackass.
No dude, fuck you and your weasel words and moving goalpost. You made a shit comment and got proven wrong. Now's the time to gracefully take the L; anything else just makes you look like a jackass.
Lol, you prove my point more eloquently than I could have on my own. Well done, and keep getting mad at strangers online it's probably the best part of your life.
You are a machine!
Excellent summary. Maybe add:“That slut next door should not have an abortion, she should have kept her legs closed. My daughter‘s abortion? That‘s totally different, it would have ruined her career“
You definitely win the internet with this comment.
Yeah... I agree. None of that makes selective enforcement the core of conservative laws.
I agree those are bad examples.
Better examples:
Phillando Castile. All for gun rights until a black man is shot while legally owning a gun. One could run down the list of black people (and children) who have been murdered by the police because they "thought there was a gun". Guns are legal and they're quite vocal about supporting the right to bear arms (but only if you look white).
Jan 6. All for upholding law and order and obeying the police until they don't get what they want. They lied about the cities in this country being destroyed during the Floyd uprisings as if America was gone.
All of the anti-trans laws passed are to "protect children" and yet they have not gone after any of the abuse scandals in churches or law enforcement.
Build the wall. Enforced only against black and brown people at the southern border.
How about holding the supreme court seat for a year?
We could continue but I'll just boil it down with a pithy quote: there are those who the law must protect but does not bind and there are those that the law must bind but not protect. That is the conservative idea. Go read the only moral abortion is my abortion with that statement in mind and it'll make sense.
I haven't heard that case, can you show some examples of "conservative" outrage?
And I feel like it's probably not race related seeing as conservatives were some of the first people to criticize the police in the Brenna Taylor case(a post about her boyfriends trial is still the top post on r/progun). Some conservatives also defended Andrew Coffee IV.
From their perspective(by the way me explaining someone's perspective doesn't mean I agree with it at all like most of the people on this site seem to think!!!) their is a coup happening by the elites so they are going in to uphold the law and put in the rightfully elected(again in their mind) president.
Can you site any they defended recently?
I don't see how that's hypocritical.
IIRC not illegal- but against tradition
Love it
I'd argue it does, conservative lawmaking has consistently operated with a distinct understanding (and execution) that shows "this applies to them not us." I'd love for conservative law makers to do what they say and say what they mean. However, they won't and thus can't build a coalition that gets them elected by being honest about their policy goals.
Conservative law making in the US has become at its core "outrage politics" (and that depends on selectively enforcing ideals, policies, and laws/antagonizing part of the population). I don't make generalizations lightly, but this is the core and fundamental piece holding the Republican party together, and it's an awful state of affairs.
This can be further demonstrated by Vivek Ramaswamy climbing in the polls despite, as Chris Christie put it, "sounding like ChatGPT."
I'm done with this conversation, you lot are ignorant, loud, and preventing actual progress and critical discourse.
You want to talk about outrage politics? You morons are outrage politics. Fuck off.
K. When you figure out what discourse you want to have come back without an empty argument.
You've just proven everyone else's point that wrote you off. You've made no supportive arguments for your position and resorted to an opaque moral high ground where everyone else is an idiot.
Bruh, you are the literal embodiment of the issue plaguing the USA in this historical period: you say you are ready to have a discussion and then, once somebody engages you with actual facts in his hands, you attack your interlocutor with the most vapid point without replying to his considerations.
Furthermore I've been taught that there are two possible sides when tackling a problem: you can either be part of the problem or part of its solution.
As far as I see nowadays republicans are ALL part of a problem called "political extremism". If you vote for the party which is presenting an autocrat and a crybaby as it's frontrunner for the past and upcoming elections you don't get to be offended when someone calls you out for that. If you are not voting democrat you are actively choosing to be ruled by a tiny minority which sees it's religion as the only viable solution to all the (made up) problems they see in the modern world. Should you vote democrat, on the other hand, the worst which may happen is that you'll loose some purchasing power when the world has been facing a pandemic and a regional war at the gates of Europe.
If your choice is to actively vote for the first option I've news from you: you are an enemy of the people and of democracy, don't be surprised when people will treat you as such in your future interactions with tem
Why vote democrat though? Supposedly the US does have or allow other political parties to be formed. If they can organize themselves, diversifying the local state political pool should not be a problem at least.
Because due to the system in place at the moment and due to the culture surrounding American politics USA can only operate in the two parties system. Organising, raising and keeping a third party is not a viable option at this time as many different candidates and elections have shown us. The easier way to improve American politics is to get involved in the democratic party and to change it from within as many of the newly elected representatives are trying to do, with quite positive outcomes I might add.
Sort of, but also, Christianity is a death cult that enables child molesters and promotes hate, so there is not much room for subtly. It is also profoundly lacking in any basis of reality and frankly teaches deranged ideas that harm children's ability to make rational judgments about reality.
Also a church is the worst kind of echo chamber.
Broadly speaking though, it's true. Do you have counter examples to offer?
A counter example of what? A conservative law that doesn't have selective enforcement at its core?
Have you got one?
No, I'm done with this stupid conversation and closer to believing Lemmy is a cesspool echo chamber than before it started. You people are fucking idiots that detract from reasonable discourse and progress on the left.
And by the way, I'm far from conservative, I hate Trump and all the other extremist authoritarian assholes, and I'm starting to realize you lot are almost as stupid as the MAGA fascists.
Downvote me and fuck off.
I don't know what you want from other people. You're not obligated to argue with people on the internet, but you started a disagreement that you weren't willing to back up. Then you baseslessly called everyone idiots and a danger to the left before storming off. Maybe when you have more distance you can learn some lessons. Maybe you can understand where they're coming from. Maybe you can better articulate what they did to harm the discourse. At the very least, it would be wise to learn to not pick fights you don't want to actually participate in, for your sake and everyone else's.
Dude just shut the fuck up and leave Lemmy then. Clearly you aren't interested in any actual conversation, so why the fuck would we want you here to begin with? Do us the favor of walking away.
does the law allow a school board to override the law? That seems odd.
We all knew they were gonna figure out a way that the law doesn't apply to them and the stuff they like. That's like the fundamental constant of conservatives, it's different when we do it because we're not those people.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” –Francis M. Wilhoit
Porn just needs some inspirational quotes to go along with it.
Love thy Neighbor, as you would love yourself.
Love thy Neighbor, as you would love yourself: ferociously.
Fuck yeah, spread it
TBF understanding that horses are known for their voluminous ejaculation is critical knowledge for children.
God is a brony confirmed
Time to start giving the kids leaflets that highlight all the Communist teachings of Christ. Use The Bible to radicalize the youth!
Betcha they yank the book, tout suite.
They'd just lie and say the pamphlets are twisting Jesus' words and use that as a pretext to ban the pamphlets.
Cognitive dissonance is a helluva drug
They would also use it as an excuse to try and teach the Bible in schools. Ya know, to correct the misinformation in those pamphlets.
Well, church leaders have been reporting that the sermon on the mount (or whatever) is being criticized as woke. Maybe there's something to this idea after all.
What's Reddit?
A proprietary, for-profit version of Lemmy
You forgot shitty version of Lemmy.
Tbh with all the extremist propaganda from places like hexbear, Lemmy is the shitty version of Lemmy.
I don't know, man. I've had a better experience here. There's the occasional ragebait, but that's easy to block. Reddit on the other hand... ugh.
Maybe I should switch to your instance, lemmy.world defederated with Hexbear.
Your instance is federated with Hexbear? Yeah man. Switch over.
Ew, sounds gross and like one greedy cunt can ruin everything. Pass
fucks pez
Wait I messed up
Who fucks a fish?
I wouldn't go. It's mostly spambots and crypto scams.
This frood is not averse to a hive of scum and villainy, but that place is too nasty even for my towel now. I wish the Apollo dev endless fortune and spez endless bowel distress.
You forgot about all the right wing trolls and sea lions offering all that Valuable Discussion™
I hope it doesn't catch on
Weird, why would they want to make something like that?
So they can fool investors into buying shares. They do things like offer 100$ in free advertising credit to boost advertiser numbers, and ban 3rd party apps/run a pixelboard to boost user numbers.
I can't imagine anyone being dumb enough to sign up for that, but according to the article, some few have.
Because it was there first and we didn't know better yet
When have they ever made a profit?
No one said the people running it are competent.
For profit doesn't mean they are successful
reddit.club
Old stuff, like a digg or something.
A social media platform we don’t talk about because Fuck u/spez
Some sort of mollusc.
Don't bring us into it.
Now to challenge the "significant, serious" value. Truth before law is based on facts, right?
Upthread I suggested leaflets that use chapter and verse to highlight the Communist teachings of The Christ. Radicalize the youth using The Bible!
Betcha they yank the book, almost immediately.
What value? It has none. Zero.
That law is a complete waste of time. It's inevitable its going to be overturned (if theres at least a shred of common sense in the Virginia courts)
The majority of porn sites don't even bother trying to comply with laws like this and there's nothing state governments can do about it.
Yep, sites that wish to comply with the new regulation simply block traffic from those states. Search results for VPNs increase sharply for a few days and nothing really changes.
Laws arn't that easy to pass, makes you think if that effort was put into something constructive instead of reinforcing that prohibition doesn't work...
What does the law actually do?
It makes conservatives feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
Theyre a big fan of feels over facts
Forces people of Virginia to start using VPN’s.
Time to invest!
They'll appeal to the Trump SCOTUS.
Reddit still has users?
Unfortunately not only is Reddit still chugging along, Lemmy is slowly losing users.
Growing new communities is very hard and takes a long time.
EDIT - Adding my source
It sucks to get to the end of social media. On Reddit I could always find plenty of posts with hundreds of comments and many were worth reading or replying to. Lemmy absolutely has good content and good comments, but you can get to the end where there's no more. It probably doesn't help that I've been much quicker to block people over the cut of their jib. I don't come here to argue or hate people more than I already do, so I spend a lot less time and words embroiled in pointless conflict.
But I still haven't been back to Reddit and won't. When I get to the end of content I find myself going to TikTok or Instagram - two things that I've never liked but at least it's a stress free way to kill time, just louder.
I feel the same way. On Reddit,, they used to joke that the best material was in the comments.
I've been using Sync and Thunder . There are lots of posts but often no comments at all.
Sometimes it feels like a big cave of silence.
Lurker's lurker's everywhere, not a post a read.
It actually has been motivating me to comment a lot more than I did on Reddit. I feel like I actually have something to contribute. On Reddit, I would lurk more because my thoughts usually have already been expressed by someone else.
I kind of lurked a lot on Reddit, largely because I was afraid of getting attacked.
Lemmy seems nicer at this point, but God knows what we are in for.
That’s what Reddit was like 12 years ago when I joined. Frankly, I’ll take the higher quality community here on Lemmy over the endless scrolling potential and lowest common denominator discussions on modern Reddit.
It's not healthy to look at social Media that much, anyway.
Yeah after 12 years on reddit, I feel this. But on the other hand, I've found myself enjoying the extra time I would have been scrolling on the phone and reading a lot more books
Something you should consider is that you're in danger of making your own little personal echo chamber.
Also, +1 for using the term "the cut of their jib".
That's definitely possible, but mostly I've been blocking over unnecessarily hostile responses either to me or to someone else, not ideology, so hopefully I won't get too far up my own ass.
Welp it's what happens when people love being controlled
Deuteronomy 28:53-57, where you eat the flesh of your own children seems kinda indecent
Less indecent if it's remnant from the days of a famine.
A mistake a lot of people make in analyzing the text is in assuming the official story about its origin, contents, and authorship is correct outside supernatural stuff.
But there's actually a compelling case Noah was originally a story about escaping a famine, so there may well have been a period when eating the flesh of one's children was a part of the ancestral history of the people transmitting the stories.
The Geeks have similar stories.
It may well be that Deuteronomy 28:48-57 isn't a warning about a certain future event, but a warning from similar things having happened many times before.
Eating your family because an army whose language you don't even know is sieging your city and you are all starving is probably just a fairly common part of many generations of history around the world during those times.
There's much worse things in the Bible than likely representative history.
I'm sure they do, especially in their D&D Campaigns.
Fair, but you’re looking at it from a good faith perspective that examines the spirit of the “law” for want of a better term, rather than the literal meaning of it, as I did. That was a deliberate glibness on my part because I wanted to examine and interpret it in the same way that the bible apologists and literalists do in order to cherry pick passages in the bible to further their hateful idiot agenda. You can find and interpret both support and condemnation in the bible for anything, often in the same passage depending on who’s reading it. Thanks for the interesting link!
Or pretty much all of Song of Solomon.
Example (Song of Solomon 7:6-9):
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes!!
Judges:19 where a guy throws his side piece to a crowd that wants to rape him in hopes they’ll be satisfied with raping her instead.
TIL a concubine is a side piece. Somehow that never connected before.
I miss Crazy Bible Stories on New grounds...
So much drunken incest...
https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/rip/372088
Mirrors since they died awhile ago: Censored dong still makes me sad. https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0nkyN\_wsaTSNAQVlACFTg-br8pP1RooA
Ah time to quote from Eziekel 23:20...
Now I kinda want to hear Sam Jackson say "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses."
Also, why the need to specify a distinction between donkey genitals and horse semen? Do horses or donkeys have bigger cocks? Do horses or donkeys cum more? I don't know, but whoever wrote that passage into the Bible seemed to know.
Same size cocks but donkey are smaller so they look bigger. In those days a flaccid bee-dick was the mark of a cool-headed thinking man; clearly capable of controlling their profane lust.
And it's not that the average horse smell worse than a donkey, their ass is just closer to most people's nose.
Ok, so I think we've settled the theological debate around the relative size of of horse cock vs. donkey cock.
What about the relative quantity of their emissions?
RIP to my browser history. It looks like it scales with size but donkeys on average are 100-200 mL and horses are more in the 200-400mL. So, you know, up to a can of soda worth worth…
Your service to the internet is mildly appreciated!
I just read the whole chapter. It's all just ancient porn. But there's a plot hole... So Oholah and Oholibah (the one that liked donkey dick) were sisters, both prostitutes. Oholah is raped and killed by Assyrians. But then later Oholah makes an appearance in the bondage gang bang scene with the drunkards from the desert? WTF, 50 shades of grey is better written that this. Well maybe that's going too far, but still this is badly written porn.
But I liked this part:
My girl Oholibah hitting up dudes on ancient day Tinder.
Is it a donkey thats an infertile crossbreed of a horse and a mule, or is it a mule that's an infertile crossbreed of a horse and a donkey? I can't remember off the top of my head but that feels like it could affect the...ahem... emissions
I think it's a mule that's an infertile cross between a donkey and a horse.
But we need to also consider that horses were significantly smaller back in those days. People will often say a pony is a smaller breed of horse, but it's actually more accurate to say a horse is a larger breed of a pony. They bred them to be bigger over the years since that made them able to carry more weight.
So was the Biblical passage saying "well she wasn't so depraved to want the much larger horse cock, she was at least demure enough to only want donkey cock"? Or was horse cock smaller in those days so was it saying "horse cock wasn't big enough for her, she desired men with the much larger donkey cock"?
This may have serious theological ramifications and needs more research.
How many angels can dance on the head of a horse cock?
Is that the one with Donkeys and Stallions? Hot stuff.
As they should.
Based
Spez may be a hurensohn but at least Reddit users still have their heads screwed tight.
Has someone started reading the other source books? They can't be perfectly clean either.
Reddit against religion. Hand me the popcorn.
"Where do I sign up?"
Excellent
Reddit for all of its faults and hideous admin team always did have a marvellous sense of humour. Only thing I miss about it.
this is such a big chungus pog moment, wholesome 100
there shouldn’t be a fucking bible in a school library anyway, that’s so bonkers. is there also a torah and a quran? BET FUCKING NOT.
Idk what libraries you go to but the ones I know have most religious books
my public highschool library did not feature any religious texts, the regular library has plenty though.
When I was a kid I remember checking out a book from my elementary school library. My brain tells me it was called “Tales of Terror” but I haven’t found anything close with that title. It had butterflies killing people in swarms, rats eating human flesh. It was nuts.
Well, my people found the book. They claimed they could “feel the demons crawling from the book” when they opened it. Half my damn family went to the school and went off about it.
This comment brought that memory back for me because I remember one of them saying, “you got this filth in here but ya ain’t got the bi-buhl?!?”
I’d love to see that book again, if only to see if it was truly as horrible as I remember.
Nah fuck that noise. Banning books from libraries is dumb
There should be a bible, along with every other religious text they can get their hands on. The problem arises when they ONLY have bibles in the library
And put them in the "fiction" part
Most relegate them to "religious texts" to take the easy way out ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Well you see, the quran teaches evil and radicalizes children (teaches rules, changing between positive and negative tone, kinda outdated but some generic stuff still applies today) while the bible teaches us how god loves us (teaching overlapping with the quran, different writing though and yahwee is definitely not nice)
imho libraries shouldnt have any religious books , if you want to read them either buy it yourself or go to the temple/ mosque / church / synagogue .... and I am writing this as a religious person myself
I actually disagree as an atheist. I'm fine with religious books being in a library as long as all religious texts are relegated to the same area and no single religion is given preferential treatment.
They are a part of our culture and history, whether we want it to be or not.
I disagree.
Libraries contain books people want to read.
People want to read religious books.
Libraries should contain religious books.
Libraries should please the reading needs for as many people as possible.
And I am not religious in the slightest.
Btw libraries are a very useful resource for research.
Bueno
Le reddit moment
Just a few passages doesn't even begin to describe it: Source
I initially read this as "Viagra" and was highly confused.
Can people please respect others' religions? Please? There's a lot of hate in these comments and it makes me really sad to see this frequently on Lemmy.
Respect is earned
Respect is a word that is used in multiple contexts.
So?
I don't really see it as hypocrasy. While people reporting it are most likely against religion, why woudn't religious text be a part of the nudity ban?
What do you expect from a predominantly left-wing social media platform? Respect isn't in their nature. Being a centralist means seeing both sides of hypocrisy, and whoo boy does the left show a lot more.
They wouldn't dare call out Islam for something like this or worse :\
As a Christian person, people hate the truth. They don't want nothing to learn what is the truth. Even Christian person also hate the truth and ending up the pastor to jail for something he did not commit. Its only aboutgettingr rid of him.
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You sound like you’re on your way to being incarcerated for touching children without their consent. Please stop touching children without their consent.
Children can't give consent. So don't touch children inappropriately ever.
This
The problem is the question of where is the proof of your beliefs. Most Christian’s tout that the Bible is the truth yet no one can prove the “truth” of the Bible. It’s always a case of “look around you see the blues skies and the trees and the flowers etc. that does not prove god is real, nor does it prove he isn’t.
The fact of the matter is what you want to believe is the truth, the inherit problem is that most Christian’s believe they have to push their beliefs on others whether they want it or not. It even gets as far as stating if you are a specific religion,such as Methodist, baptist etc, you’re not a true believer.
I have found in my 50+ years of living that most people are hateful if you don believe exactly what they do.
There is a common anecdote about the divide between what is considered the truth in science and religion: An evolutionary biologist and a creationist are in a debate. The moderator asks what would need to happen for them to abandon their beliefs. The evolutionary biologist lists the main pillars of the evolution theory and the formation of life, and that if they are disproved or found contradictory in a credible and replicable way, backed up by other scholars in the field, then they would have no choice but to accept that they were wrong. The creationist simply says "nothing, I know in my heart that it's the truth because God is all powerful and would never lie to me."
Hence the paradoxical challenge
You can say the same about the radical side of the LGBT community.
I wouldn't have a problem if people like you could just mind your own business, but you spend your time rambling incoherently about some "truth". The only truth about Christians is that they are being manipulated by a group of nutcase fascists.
What truth is that?
Found the pastor that likes to diddle little kids 😬
Bro what is this grammar?